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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    ... Is to hit the hay a really British way of saying go to bed?..
    Valerie Hobson is British but she's playing an American in this American movie.

    Someone accused the character she's playing off getting up in the middle of the night to commit adultery with the rich man who owns the house.

    I have since realised the film is so old that there might be a blip in the soundtrack and a word his been lost.

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    To hit the hay is also understood in Canadian English.

    Counting sheep.
    Zonked out.
    Sawing logs.
    Dead to the world.
    In dreamland.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    To hit the hay is also understood in Canadian English.

    Counting sheep.
    Zonked out.
    Sawing logs.
    Dead to the world.
    In dreamland.
    wait wait you forgot being as dumb dragging a bag of bricks and Pat does that everyday.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    ..dragging ....


    Pete, this dragging obsession you've got seems to be dragging this thread off the topic


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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    What does Valerie Hobson say at 36.50?.
    Oh no, I never moved on the hey?

    It looks and sounds to me that that particular scene/dialog was spliced somewhere along the line--it's so choppy--could very well be incomplete. I wouldn't venture a guess.

    Here's one:



    It sounds like she's saying: The mohr you tighten your greep, Tawkin, the mohr stah systeems will sleep through yohr fingahz.

    But I think what she's really saying is, "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

    Who'd of thunk?

    She a real pistol, that dame, Leia. See?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I think it's funny that the 19 year old English girl Valerie Hobson is playing an American and discussing Negro slang with the butler.


    The men are very hunky. As many of you know, she was married to John Profumo.

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    What is Lumley saying after "lots of people work for me", just before the other guy's "waaaaaargh"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    I'm not sure if what is missing to me is phonetical or semantical, but I don't get the sense of that clip, let alone the funny part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    I'm not sure if what is missing to me is phonetical or semantical, but I don't get the sense of that clip, let alone the funny part of it.
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    In an interview with Hong Kong's South China Morning Post, former James Bond actor Sir Roger Moore uses the 'C' word to describe
    I think the interviewer was laughing at the 'cunt' word that was edited out.


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    Apart from the use of "cunt", the point of the story was that there was a story in a newspaper about Moore and Niven. Moore saw it and sent it to Niven, only to find that Niven had also seen it and sent it to him. Not exactly hilarious, but there you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Apart from the use of "cunt", the point of the story was that there was a story in a newspaper about Moore and Niven. Moore saw it and sent it to Niven, only to find that Niven had also seen it and sent it to him. Not exactly hilarious, but there you are.
    So I am missing absolutely nothing except a facet of the infamous British Humour

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    What is Lumley saying after "lots of people work for me", just before the other guy's "waaaaaargh"?

    "what she does in her own time is her own...." -cut off by "waaaaargh"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamTeam View Post
    "what she does in her own time is her own...." -cut off by "waaaaargh"
    In fact she does not say "she" but "Julie", and she also gets to say at least "own busi...".

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    I was told never to say bad things about myself, because...you know...I'm always quoted as the one-eye-browed actor...ehh... which is not true; I've got two. (interviewer laughs) And you know, because, I...It was I who said that.

    And so my agent says "Stop saying these things about yourself! You've got to start saying...[good things about yourself.]" Uhm, well I tried saying I was good, and unfortunately I wasn't very good at saying I was good. So I thought it was much better to go take the piss (interview mumblingly interrupts "You're much too humble..") ...take the piss out of yourself is much better.

    David Niven...ahh..was a great chum, as you know from the book. We were...he was in France; I was in Hollywood. I was doing a film called...ummm...Sherlock Holmes in New York. Packelhem(?) came in one day with a copy of the Daily Mail, and an article by Linda Lee Potter, in which she's reporting on, apparently...something.... Olivier and Brando not signing autographs or not having to pose for pictures, and Binkie Beaumont - Hugh Beaumont - who was the head of H.M. Tennent said, you know, that "These are artists who give their all in the theatre. Why should they do anything offstage?"

    And Linda Lee Potter wrote "The only two actors who make the profession at all bearable, because of their self-deprecating humour, are David Niven and Roger Moore."

    So, I said "Christ! I'm going to send this to Niven!"

    Uhh. And the same day, in the post, when I got home from the studio, there was the clipping from Niven; he'd sent it to me, and across the top he wrote 'It pays to be a cunt.' So there you are."

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    Though much of this may be obvious to you, I've treated it as an exercise to see if I can analyse all the key points in their entirety.

    The one-eyebrow thing was a reference to Moore's limited ability to convey complex emotion on screen, simply raising a brow for surprise or contempt or amourous interest, etc. Whether or not he was stung by the criticism, he repeated it and acknowledged it as part of his persona, and this became part of a larger cultural phenomenon referenced in other media:
    The satirical British TV show Spitting Image once had a sketch in which their latex likeness of Moore, when asked to display emotions by an offscreen director, does nothing but raise an eyebrow. Moore himself has stated that he thought the sketch was funny, and took it in good humour. Indeed, he had always embraced the 'eyebrows' gag wholeheartedly, slyly claiming that he "only had three expressions as Bond: right eyebrow raised, left eyebrow raised and eyebrows crossed when grabbed by Jaws." Spitting Image continued the joke, featuring a Bond movie spoof, The Man with the Wooden Delivery, with Moore's puppet receiving orders from Margaret Thatcher to kill Mikhail Gorbachev. Many other comedy shows at that time ridiculed Moore's acting, Rory Bremner once claiming to have had a death threat from an irate fan of Moore's, following one such routine.
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    In the interview, in protesting that he did have two eyebrows, he may have been dismissing the critics, implying that his emotional range on screen was at least double the number of emotions ascribed to him as with the number of eyebrows. This in itself partly acknowledging the limits of his range, or at least trying to protest without protesting too much.

    There is an expression in English, "damned by faint praise," where someone offers an insult in the form of a half-hearted compliment that only emphasises the flaws of the subject. So, "Mugabe should be congratulated for reducing corruption of the Presidency by 3% compared to the year previous." Whilst in the form of a compliment, it is clearly intended to be a withering attack. Moore seems to reverse that formula, offering a half-hearted defence of his acting ability.

    Moore differs with his agent, who would prefer that Moore take a self-congratulatory tone in the media. He claims to have tried and failed to speak his own praises. The interviewer interjects that Moore is "too humble," implying Moore is actually quite skilful at self-promotion and is understating his own skill at it. Of course this implies in turn that Moore is not at all humble in any essential way. I think this kind of quip is very English. I'm not sure an American interviewer would have been as likely to make the same kind of remark. To call it an insult is too strong. It is not even a rebuke. It is more like teasing Moore about his thin veneer of humility in a way intended to be light-hearted and amusing, not serious.

    "Taking the piss" is just an idiomatic expression that I hear mostly in British or, especially, Australian English, meaning to deflate the ego. There is no connotation of actually catheterising someone's bladder and making off with the contents.

    The rest of the story is more straightforward: We learn that Moore earns praise from a media hack for his humility. It is implied that the argument with the agent is now settled in Moore's favour, and that Moore was right all along to be humble in public. All of this again plays on the contrast between the appearance of humility and its substance. Then he sends the article by way of mutual self-congratulation on their great humility to Niven, only to find that Niven has done exactly the same thing. At this point it is like a tennis match between allegories of hubris and humility. Finally, Niven's remark is revealed as the punchline and apex of the tale, that "It pays to be a cunt."

    I take this to be a rejection of the Daily Mail's credibility as a source of opinion; Niven saying in essence that their humility has only won them the praise of a useless twit and the useless Daily Mail, and this fate would better have been avoided.

    Moore, the interviewer, and Niven all establish elements of tension in their remarks between proper and improper behaviour, arrogance and humility, superiority and the commonplace, pecking order and class. I think British writing and speech are preoccupied with all of these themes and tensions, and this is a delicious example of it.
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    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post

    The one-eyebrow thing was a reference to Moore's limited ability to convey complex emotion on screen, simply raising a brow for surprise or contempt or amourous interest, etc. Whether or not he was stung by the criticism, he repeated it and acknowledged it as part of his persona, and this became part of a larger cultural phenomenon referenced in other media:
    Yes, I had to think about that a little, because I forgot we were dealing with Sir Roger and at first I was just thinking about him as one guy with lots of additional hair between both eyebrows ["WTF?!"]
    The cunt thing that had been commented on under the YouTube clip, I could not locate until I watched the video and not just listened to it...

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    Re: taking the piss out...

    I suppose it relates to another expression, "Full of piss and vinegar" or "pissed off," used to describe someone not just angry or disappointed, but with a certain kind of self-righeous confidence and bluster in their own anger. To take the piss out is thus to deflate someone's self-importance or self-assuredness. To take the piss out of oneself is to keep one's own ego in check.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    Yes, I had to think about that a little, because I forgot we were dealing with Sir Roger and at first I was just thinking about him as one guy with lots of additional hair between both eyebrows ["WTF?!"]
    The cunt thing that had been commented on under the YouTube clip, I could not locate until I watched the video and not just listened to it...
    I guessed right away that it was not about his monobrow, but unfortunately in Canada I missed most of the Spitting Image shows, and I didn't know until now just how much his eyebrow had become a topic of general amusement in the UK.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Which province does this guy come from?

    http://www.xvideos.com/video7441990/j4ck_watk_ns_ass_1

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    ^ That's from Wales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Which province does this guy come from?
    Quote Originally Posted by talbot57 View Post
    ^ That's from Wales.
    Agreed, he's a boyo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Agreed, he's a boyo.

    and a narrator from across the sea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Agreed, he's a boyo.

    Well, he's in good company, then - so are bonnie princes Charles, William, and Harry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    Well, he's in good company, then - so are bonnie princes Charles, William, and Harry.
    I'm more Welsh than they are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    I'm more Welsh than they are!
    Oh those poor sheep.


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    He was the son of a wool merchant in Huddersfield in Yorkshire but where did he get that voice?

    Do other Yorkshiremen talk like him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    He was the son of a wool merchant in Huddersfield in Yorkshire but where did he get that voice? Do other Yorkshiremen talk like him?
    Most Yorkshiremen don't speak like James Mason, but most Yorkshiremen weren't educated at Marlborough and Cambridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    ...Marlborough and Cambridge.
    Do you think Mason copied voices there? Is his voice a blending of Yorkshire and Marlborough and Cambridge?

    Some fan on IMDB says Mason's voice was both languid and emotional at the same time.

    (I watched this fab movie last night.)

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    Maybe the secret of the recipe was a gay touch....


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    ^ His 'secret' was that he was an over-sensitive, aesthetic man. He was an architect, he refused to sign up for the British war time "killing machine".

    Yet he was foolish. He was used by a grasping Jewish female clever bitch who bled him dry in a protracted divorce which forced him to waste his talent in secondary roles over in La-La Land in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Do you think Mason copied voices there? Is his voice a blending of Yorkshire and Marlborough and Cambridge?

    Some fan on IMDB says Mason's voice was both languid and emotional at the same time.

    (I watched this fab movie last night.)
    Judging by the ending, seems quite interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Do you think Mason copied voices there? Is his voice a blending of Yorkshire and Marlborough and Cambridge?
    I wouldn't say "copied". He was from a wealthy background and was educated at public school and Oxbridge. I doubt he ever spoke with a Yorkshire accent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    Maybe ...
    Maybe, Belamo, I think this must be one of your most successful threads.

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    JeussChrist, unload, what's that , a cancer or a post count?!!

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    You're just noticing the prolific ability of our Lord York?

    Speaking of our Good Lord - I figured if they were Princes of Wales, and descendants of same for many many years, they qualified.
    Even if they have Scot's blood and German - once a Celt, always a Celt.


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    Tom Daley interviews Dan Osborne (naked under his robe, as he informs Tom): we all know Dan has an Essex accent, but what about Tom? And what word are they discussing starting at 3:08?


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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    I wouldn't say "copied". He was from a wealthy background and was educated at public school and Oxbridge. I doubt he ever spoke with a Yorkshire accent.
    Somewhat off-topic, but speaking of Yorkshire:

    "To get to the essence of [William] Kent is tougher. His rangy ebullience reminds me of an aphorism of Yorkshire folk that they 'say what they like and like what they bloody well say'. "

    --FT Weekend, on the William Kent show at the V & A

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    I figured if they were Princes of Wales, and descendants of same for many many years, they qualified.
    Even if they have Scot's blood and German - once a Celt, always a Celt.
    Ever since the future King Edward II was created Prince of Wales in 1301, it's been a title traditionally given to the eldest sons of English (later British) monarchs. I think Prince Charles does have a tiny drop of Welsh blood in his veins, but being Prince of Wales doesn't make him Welsh or Celtic.

    People always refer to the late Queen Mother as Scottish, but that isn't really true either. The Queen Mother was born in England and I believe that only one of her eight great grandparents was Scottish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    Tom Daley interviews Dan Osborne (naked under his robe, as he informs Tom): we all know Dan has an Essex accent, but what about Tom? And what word are they discussing starting at 3:08?
    Tom's accent is hard to place, but I think I can hear a slight Devon edge to it mixed with some London strangely. The word at 3.08 is easy; it's salt (Sodium Chloride in other words).

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post

    People always refer to the late Queen Mother as Scottish, but that isn't really true either. The Queen Mother was born in England and I believe that only one of her eight great grandparents was Scottish.
    Madonna was born in England? And she may be dead as Queen O'Pop, but she is still well alive as Queen Mom of Pop.

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    ^Why are you so concerned with England?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    Somewhat off-topic, but speaking of Yorkshire:

    "To get to the essence of [William] Kent is tougher. His rangy ebullience reminds me of an aphorism of Yorkshire folk that they 'say what they like and like what they bloody well say'. "

    --FT Weekend, on the William Kent show at the V & A
    Is that from Harry Enfield's George Whitebread character?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^Why are you so concerned with England?...
    England is the source of so many good things in the civilised world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    Tom Daley interviews Dan Osborne

    They sound, respectively, as disgusting and as cute as they look.

    Can somebody explain this? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/SAuLT

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    ^Why are you so concerned with England?

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    I'm concerned with the thread.

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    ^^Your commentary is irrelevant...

    ^You are concerned with this thread? Why? What for? What does it get you?

    (the weird lamps in the ground and the stupid purple paint...it was simply grey and white before...wythggty must be silent.
    How about zip code 98112...which you will never ever set foot on. The information is in situ and not on the internet ....come get it in person HERE.

    The answer is buried at 244.090.077 degrees and 14.609614 feet from the water tower at a depth of 3.8604 feet. Can't get that on a screen.

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^^Your commentary is irrelevant...

    ^You are concerned with this thread? Why? What for? What does it get you?


    1620 mean anything to you?

    How about zip code 98112...which you will never ever set foot on.

    LOL
    What did you expect: so was your post. Oh you meant pat... like I said before, you can never be sure with the use certain JUBbites make of circumflexes.

    I started promoted was Am The Creator of this thread.

    1620? The year the Novum Organum came out I think... oh, you mean the Mayflower thing

    https://www.google.com.hk/#q=98112&safe=strict Too risky: earthquakes, volcanoes, North Korean missiles...
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    franco gizon gaiztoak izan zen eta lokarri Madrilen dago Espainia urrun da nahitaezko ... Espainiako coerce batetik inperialismoaren eta indarkeriaren nahi dutenek bertan ezin da inoiz bukaera izan arte ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Franco was a CIA agent and you know it....
    So bell boys in the C also qualify as agents. Funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    What did you expect: so was your post. Oh you meant pat... like I said before, you can never be sure with the use certain JUBbites make of circumflexes.

    I started promoted was Am The Creator of this thread.

    1620? The year the Novum Organum came out I think... oh, you mean the Mayflower thing

    https://www.google.com.hk/#q=98112&safe=strict Too risky: earthquakes, volcanoes, North Korean missiles...

    You cannot connect 1620 can you?


    LOL.

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    About the word... whatever that actually is... they are discussing, people, English-speaking or not, would then have the nerve to talk about Chinese or Thai silly-crazy pronunciation and spelling... English-speaking people trying to use Latin alphabet to represent the way they speak

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