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    Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    I was all for Wikileaks because it was exposing the really scummy things happening in the United States and I knew that the truth must come out so we can get some justice. Little had I thought about just how far things are along the lines of anger and disgust the rest of the World has towards the United States. I always considered that surely the truth is gonna hurt and there will be huge tension but now that things are unfolding I have to hang my head low and admit I was wrong for supporting Wikileaks.

    Why?

    I think Wikileaks was created on purpose as a form of destabilization method to further get the rest of the world to now thoroughly HATE the United States. I had not thought of this completely before. Sure, the truth is going to come out because justice does not sleep forever...but to what consequence? All Americans will be the fury point and target of foreigners and many will seek revenge and retaliate. I think there is no better way to destroy a country then to expose the horrible rotten truth about the country that you once stood proudly for, then metaphorically smear the blood of the innocence in your face...and put the details of the atrocious actions of war and animosity before your eyes. There is no greater way to destroy a strong nation than to destroy the heart first. Crush the spirit...you get despair and little to nothing left will stand up again. Weakness will be our ripened open gates and those seeking vengeance will have it.

    It seems strange to me that every 100 years or so, give or take a few years...this world seemingly needs a major scapegoat...and the red white and blue is the subject in the spot light this time around.

    Hold pride only in the amount of prosperity and love and hope that you may ignite into the hearts of a depraved soul. We may not fall apart all at once but it is clear now to me that our rotten core of corruption, courtesy of our corrupt government, will be the reason that many of us give up and loose hope and confidence in life and goodness in general. This feeling of loss and sorrow is also used to cull those who feel self hatred once the ball of guilt rolls over the once proud followers of this system. Don't let this crush you completely. Brace for impact, it's going to be a bit more turbulent.


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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    I was okay with Wikileaks exposing the corruption and secrets of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars; however, these diplomatic news cables served no productive purpose to bring about a more honest and transparent government. It not only embarrassed the U.S., but it also embarrassed the rest of the world. Wikileaks has become an enemy to the global community because it devolved itself to releasing gossiping secrets rather than the substance of corruption and politics.

    Now we may never know the corrupt politics of Russia, because Wikileaks has spoiled its opportunity with the rest of the world.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    the cables are much more than just gossip. sadly that's where the media focuses on. i strongly recommend to read them. also only a few have been released yet, there is much more to come. oh ambrocius .. there is also some UFO stuff coming up. i bet you will like that ..

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ambrocious View Post
    I think Wikileaks was created on purpose as a form of destabilization method to further get the rest of the world to now thoroughly HATE the United States.
    They didn't need Wikileaks for that.

    The United States was universally hated for at least 90 years before Wikileaks.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    Wikileaks is not a journalistic entity. If they were all about transparency, why not release the name of the leaker? I very much doubt that it was Bradley Manning. Why not tell us who this person is? If we need to know the information, then we should check the source. Release the name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    They didn't need Wikileaks for that.

    The United States was universally hated for at least 90 years before Wikileaks.
    I will contest your position by reminding you that despite the apparent sanctimonious ( a residue of the Puritan settlement of New England) nature of American international policy, the United States has contributed enormously to the well being of the human race by providing practical assistance when it was, and is most needed.

    The intervention of the United States in the Second World War turned the tide in favour of the Allied nations. I also recognise the great contribution of the Soviet Union, the British Commonwealth and those occupied nations - such as The Netherlands - who provided so much of their meagre resources to defeat the Axis powers.

    I will offer you one simple example of American assistance for the poor, starving and impoverished human being.

    The largest supplier of free food aid to North Korea is the United States, followed by the European Union, and then Japan.

    We here in Greece were fortunate to avoid massive starvation in 1944/1947 by the intervention of the United Kingdom, and the United States providing huge quantities of food.

    A big thank you, to the people of the United States.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    Quote Originally Posted by thevofl View Post
    Wikileaks is not a journalistic entity. If they were all about transparency, why not release the name of the leaker? I very much doubt that it was Bradley Manning. Why not tell us who this person is? If we need to know the information, then we should check the source. Release the name.
    There is a conspiracy theory being bandied around that there is much more to these leaks than a private soldier taking it upon himself to act as a revenging angel.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    Quote Originally Posted by thevofl View Post
    Wikileaks is not a journalistic entity. If they were all about transparency, why not release the name of the leaker? I very much doubt that it was Bradley Manning. Why not tell us who this person is? If we need to know the information, then we should check the source. Release the name.
    hu? we wouldn't need wikileaks if the leakers would be ready to reveal their names.
    and what source do you want to check, except the how he got the documents the SOURCE of the documents is clear, and the reaction of the pentagon just proves that the documents are real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The bluffing game is an ancient sport that chess players are wont to indulge in, to teach us amateurs that deception is the art that blinds the transparency of its objective.
    that's what the Iran says, too some real stuff and a few fakes in the interest of the US thrown in.

    and that is something that many of the foaming US citizens miss. those cables might hurt trust in US diplomats .. but the revelations hurt other countries much more.
    a wave of mistrust went through the german party FDP because people were looking for the informant who leaked secret coalition negotiations to the US.

    several politicians were discovered that they have been ass-kissing the US diplomats in hopes of personal gain - through exposing party internals.

    or take spain as an example .. it was revealed that their anti-piracy bill was basically written by the US - and their government is just a puppet for this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    hu? we wouldn't need wikileaks if the leakers would be ready to reveal their names.
    and what source do you want to check, except the how he got the documents the SOURCE of the documents is clear, and the reaction of the pentagon just proves that the documents are real.
    I was being ironic.

    This need for all things transparent is not a good ideal. I don't want State Department secrets to be known. It does more damage to release the info than any amount of privacy. What foreign country will enter into negotiations with the US if there is the possibility of exposure?

    But again if transparency is the ultimate goal then release the name. And don't tell me that by releasing the name would jeopardize your integrity; that smacks of hypocrisy. So Mr. Assange, who gave you this information?

    Maybe some hacker could find this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevofl View Post
    I was being ironic.

    This need for all things transparent is not a good ideal. I don't want State Department secrets to be known. It does more damage to release the info than any amount of privacy. What foreign country will enter into negotiations with the US if there is the possibility of exposure?

    But again if transparency is the ultimate goal then release the name. And don't tell me that by releasing the name would jeopardize your integrity; that smacks of hypocrisy. So Mr. Assange, who gave you this information?

    Maybe some hacker could find this out.
    Assange, and Manning - two small pieces, in a big puzzle - that obscures the marionettes.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    Thank you, Kallipolis for recognizing that despite all that is wrong with the US, we still do some good in the world. I think the people who don't like us fall into two camps. Those who simply dislike us because we are different from them, like Iran and the religious terrorists and the others who forget the good we do. The phrase "What have you done for me lately?" leaps to mind.

    Assange seems bent on using Wikileaks to his own ends at this point. He's being hunted down by the law and he's desperate. He's threatened a major dump of new info if his sight is shut down. That's blackmail.

    If your purpose is to ensure a transparency that doesn't currently exist, why hold anything back?

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    ^ they are not holding that stuff back, they are publishing it one piece after another, anyway. this is just merely a "you can't stop it".
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    Anyone who is shocked by the stuff wikileaks is publishing needs to pick up a history book same crap has happened in every other war in history.
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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sk8ter_Boy View Post
    Anyone who is shocked by the stuff wikileaks is publishing needs to pick up a history book same crap has happened in every other war in history.
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    I prefer Cicero's original quote to the Star Trek version.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    Uhh. Let's not over-react here. Let's just acquaint ourselves with the word "realist."

    The options available for the United States are not only "Ultra Super Global Champion" or "Hated Weakened Pariah."

    Have a little realism that the rest of the world will be able to keep things in perspective.

    The US is a well-marketed, too-often-discussed, often decent and even noble, world player which will have it's place as an ordinary country in a world of other successful countries. It's only 5% of world population, but I'm sure it will continue to occupy too large a portion of all of our collective attention for a while more.

    This incident doesn't make people hate the US. It puts us on our toes, but instead of caring about the States enough to hate them, it makes us far more curious to see if there are any Euroleaks or Asialeaks, or Sovietleaks.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    ^ this.

    What is wrong with the US just being a collaborative, equal state in the post superpower world?

    This latest round of leaks hasn't made anyone like or hate the US any more than they did before. Every country probably already knew about the contents of the emails at the same time as the US, because they monitor one another assiduously.

    These leaks have allowed a refreshing glimpse behind the veil of diplomacy and will hopefully lead to more open and frank discussion instead of everyone playing at being a Machiavellian courtier. That approach doesn't work any more.

    I hate to disappoint the obsessed, but the majority of the world is just shrugging these leaks off. They just aren't that interesting or newsworthy for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    I prefer Cicero's original quote to the Star Trek version.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    The real question is, will the USA become like China in trying to stop the internet and the power it brings each individual?

    The internet is laying low traditional "holy hogs" that other media outlets wouldn't normally report on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    The real question is, will the USA become like China in trying to stop the internet and the power it brings each individual?
    A good start Molten -- what happens now is that the US and other countries will enter a more secretive phase. The US State Dept has already gone off the Pentagon's system.

    Full disclosure is almost never good -- there are just some things that need to be private.

    To the US haters on here -- making the US equal with you will eventually cause you harm. No modern country, other than Great Britain, has ever stood up to the evils of dictatorships, supported famine relief, helped needy people around the globe regardless of their politics.

    There is always a need for a big brother who looks out for the little brothers. ... the big brother should never try to abuse his little brothers.

    However, if the the little brothers try to make the the big brother one of their own -- there will eventually be another big brother that makes his move . . . . could be the Chinese brother that is not so empathic or caring like big brother USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    The real question is, will the USA become like China in trying to stop the internet and the power it brings each individual?
    A good start Molten -- what happens now is that the US and other countries will enter a more secretive phase. The US State Dept has already gone off the Pentagon's system.

    Full disclosure is almost never good -- there are just some things that need to be private.

    To the US haters on here -- making the US equal with you will eventually cause you harm. No modern country, other than Great Britain, has ever stood up to the evils of dictatorships, supported famine relief, helped needy people around the globe regardless of their politics.

    There is always a need for a big brother who looks out for the little brothers. ... the big brother should never try to abuse his little brothers.

    However, if the the little brothers try to make the the big brother one of their equal -- there will eventually be another big brother may makes his move to be the new big brother . . . . could be the Chinese brother that is not so empathic or caring like big brother USA.

    That's not the kind of world that would be comfortable for freedom loving people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    I will contest your position by reminding you that despite the apparent sanctimonious ( a residue of the Puritan settlement of New England) nature of American international policy, the United States has contributed enormously to the well being of the human race by providing practical assistance when it was, and is most needed.

    The intervention of the United States in the Second World War turned the tide in favour of the Allied nations. I also recognise the great contribution of the Soviet Union, the British Commonwealth and those occupied nations - such as The Netherlands - who provided so much of their meagre resources to defeat the Axis powers.

    I will offer you one simple example of American assistance for the poor, starving and impoverished human being.

    The largest supplier of free food aid to North Korea is the United States, followed by the European Union, and then Japan.

    We here in Greece were fortunate to avoid massive starvation in 1944/1947 by the intervention of the United Kingdom, and the United States providing huge quantities of food.

    A big thank you, to the people of the United States.

    No man is an island.
    I'm of the opinion that of all the Empires that have existed throughout history, particularly among those who have worn the Mantle of Rome, the US has been one of the most benevolent. One can only hope as the Mantle of Rome passes in the next 15 - 20 years, most likely to China, that empire will do as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    A good start Molten -- what happens now is that the US and other countries will enter a more secretive phase. The US State Dept has already gone off the Pentagon's system.

    Full disclosure is almost never good -- there are just some things that need to be private.

    To the US haters on here -- making the US equal with you will eventually cause you harm. No modern country, other than Great Britain, has ever stood up to the evils of dictatorships, supported famine relief, helped needy people around the globe regardless of their politics.

    There is always a need for a big brother who looks out for the little brothers. ... the big brother should never try to abuse his little brothers.

    However, if the the little brothers try to make the the big brother one of their equal -- there will eventually be another big brother may makes his move to be the new big brother . . . . could be the Chinese brother that is not so empathic or caring like big brother USA.

    That's not the kind of world that would be comfortable for freedom loving people.
    I would call this misinformed but for the stunning self-assuredness in your remarks.

    Go and send your soldiers to die in Afghanistan without us then. We've been a loyal friend and neighbour, and it's remarks like yours, and blinders like yours, that are the strongest indicator not that the US is descending from the lofty heights to schlub with the rest of us, but that the US actually has to work to catch up to "normal countries" like mine.

    Good luck to you.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The largest supplier of free food aid to North Korea is the United States, followed by the European Union, and then Japan.
    Sorry to burst your bubble, the largest food suppliers to N-Korea are actually the United States and China. Unfortunately things changed during the time of the Bush Administration. Japan has been limited the food supply to them since 1988 following its launch of a medium-range missile.

    quote from wiki
    Beginning in 1997, the U.S. began shipping food aid to North Korea through the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) to combat the famine. Shipments peaked in 1999 at nearly 700,000 tons making the U.S. the largest foreign aid donor to the country at the time. Under the Bush Administration, aid was drastically reduced year after year from 350,000 tons in 2001 to 40,000 in 2004.[136] The Bush Administration took criticism for using "food as a weapon" during talks over the North's nuclear weapons program, but insisted the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) criteria were the same for all countries and the situation in North Korea had "improved significantly since its collapse in the mid-1990s." Agricultural production had increased from about 2.7 million metric tons in 1997 to 4.2 million metric tons in 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    The real question is, will the USA become like China in trying to stop the internet and the power it brings each individual?

    I believe that this is sort of the point. Too much power and control lies in our fingertips and the ability to inform others via the internet that threatens to equal out humanity to be on the same playing field of knowledge. Many already know that knowledge is power, give everyone the chance to hold that power and those that have kept certain things secret for a very long time will not like the equalization of mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambrocious View Post
    I believe that this is sort of the point. Too much power and control lies in our fingertips and the ability to inform others via the internet that threatens to equal out humanity to be on the same playing field of knowledge. Many already know that knowledge is power, give everyone the chance to hold that power and those that have kept certain things secret for a very long time will not like the equalization of mankind.
    Given your beliefs, you should be in full favor of this then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I would call this misinformed but for the stunning self-assuredness in your remarks.

    Go and send your soldiers to die in Afghanistan without us then. We've been a loyal friend and neighbour, and it's remarks like yours, and blinders like yours, that are the strongest indicator not that the US is descending from the lofty heights to schlub with the rest of us, but that the US actually has to work to catch up to "normal countries" like mine.

    Good luck to you.
    I just hope WikiLeaks publishes all the bad stuff on Canada and other countries. They are not without blame either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I just hope WikiLeaks publishes all the bad stuff on Canada and other countries. They are not without blame either.
    How utterly childish.

    Nothing would please me more as a Canadian than to have any unnecessary and potentially destructive secrets thrown open to the view of the citizens who actually are supposed to own and direct the actions of their government.

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    Re: Wikileaks : I Recant My Support...

    same here .. i am sure there are enough dirty secrets in my government, and as a voter i want to know about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    same here .. i am sure there are enough dirty secrets in my government, and as a voter i want to know about them.
    Corny - I'm not sure you want to know about all the stuff your government does.

    Full disclosure would be unproductive -- just as full disclosure in a personal relationship would most likely (be honest ... thoughts count) kill the partnership.

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    " ...All Americans will be the fury point and target of foreigners and many will seek revenge and retaliate. ... "


    WRONG, no, amercans will not be hated by the leaks.
    I thought the leaks were interesting but nothing special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Full disclosure would be unproductive -- just as full disclosure in a personal relationship would most likely (be honest ... thoughts count) kill the partnership.
    there is a huge difference:
    thoughts are not something that I do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambrocious View Post
    I was all for Wikileaks because it was exposing the really scummy things happening in the United States and I knew that the truth must come out so we can get some justice. Little had I thought about just how far things are along the lines of anger and disgust the rest of the World has towards the United States. I always considered that surely the truth is gonna hurt and there will be huge tension but now that things are unfolding I have to hang my head low and admit I was wrong for supporting Wikileaks.

    Why?

    I think Wikileaks was created on purpose as a form of destabilization method to further get the rest of the world to now thoroughly HATE the United States. I had not thought of this completely before. Sure, the truth is going to come out because justice does not sleep forever...but to what consequence? All Americans will be the fury point and target of foreigners and many will seek revenge and retaliate. I think there is no better way to destroy a country then to expose the horrible rotten truth about the country that you once stood proudly for, then metaphorically smear the blood of the innocence in your face...and put the details of the atrocious actions of war and animosity before your eyes. There is no greater way to destroy a strong nation than to destroy the heart first. Crush the spirit...you get despair and little to nothing left will stand up again. Weakness will be our ripened open gates and those seeking vengeance will have it.

    It seems strange to me that every 100 years or so, give or take a few years...this world seemingly needs a major scapegoat...and the red white and blue is the subject in the spot light this time around.

    Hold pride only in the amount of prosperity and love and hope that you may ignite into the hearts of a depraved soul. We may not fall apart all at once but it is clear now to me that our rotten core of corruption, courtesy of our corrupt government, will be the reason that many of us give up and loose hope and confidence in life and goodness in general. This feeling of loss and sorrow is also used to cull those who feel self hatred once the ball of guilt rolls over the once proud followers of this system. Don't let this crush you completely. Brace for impact, it's going to be a bit more turbulent.


    Gandhi's principal stands with the only real golden words of the past 200 years. "Be the change that you want to see in the world today". That's what I'm going to do.
    The reason China hates free speech is because Free speech is a powerful tool. The US claims to be in favour of free speech, but has actually proven itself to hate it just as much as China in the ways they are attacking Assange for exercising that right and exposing the lies of the US.

    The world has hated the US since its creation and the only reason the US has "allies" is because it has bigger guns than most other world nations. This may indeed be the platform with which the world will stand to go against a country they have resented for decades, if not centuries.

    This is something I support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Boy Smith View Post
    The reason China hates free speech is because Free speech is a powerful tool. The US claims to be in favour of free speech, but has actually proven itself to hate it just as much as China in the ways they are attacking Assange for exercising that right and exposing the lies of the US.

    The world has hated the US since its creation and the only reason the US has "allies" is because it has bigger guns than most other world nations. This may indeed be the platform with which the world will stand to go against a country they have resented for decades, if not centuries.

    This is something I support.
    How is the USA attacking Assange? We've done nothing to stop him other than talk - no indictments, no charges.

    I thought the world would love the USA once we got rid of Bush and have Obama as President. The USA hasn't always had big guns -- we became a super power only after WWII.

    Hope you take another look at your history books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I thought the world would love the USA once we got rid of Bush and have Obama as President.
    Well they do like us far more now than when Bush was Pres.

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    So you think Amazon, Paypal and the Swiss bank have removed their support of the site because they disagreed individually with what they're doing?

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    Oh .. okay, fairy tale time is over

    Quote Originally Posted by Ambrocious View Post
    I was all for Wikileaks because it was exposing the really scummy things happening in the United States and I knew that the truth must come out so we can get some justice. Little had I thought about just how far things are along the lines of anger and disgust the rest of the World has towards the United States. I always considered that surely the truth is gonna hurt and there will be huge tension but now that things are unfolding I have to hang my head low and admit I was wrong for supporting Wikileaks.

    Why?
    spare us the stories .. I just read that infowars suddenly is against wikileaks. Therefore we know why you are against it and no further discussion is necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    How is the USA attacking Assange? We've done nothing to stop him other than talk - no indictments, no charges.

    I thought the world would love the USA once we got rid of Bush and have Obama as President. The USA hasn't always had big guns -- we became a super power only after WWII.

    Hope you take another look at your history books.
    from ABC news dot com.au
    Some US politicians (palin, hackerbie ... (spelling)) called for Assange execution or assassination.
    That is not attacking Assange? what is?


    The main media is coward or hypocrites at best as it hide behind wikkileaks and publish the details.
    If the leaks are so dangerous, why do they publish it in the first place ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    from ABC news dot com.au
    Some US politicians (palin, hackerbie ... (spelling)) called for Assange execution or assassination.
    That is not attacking Assange? what is?


    The main media is coward or hypocrites at best as it hide behind wikkileaks and publish the details.
    If the leaks are so dangerous, why do they publish it in the first place ?
    I'm talking about the US Government. They have done nothing official... however, maybe we will learn more when the next set of leaks come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Well they do like us far more now than when Bush was Pres.
    They do? Proof?

    ... and please don't quote an article or poll taken in early 2009 or mid 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm talking about the US Government. They have done nothing official... however, maybe we will learn more when the next set of leaks come out.
    Be certain there is frantic activity, on an unofficial basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm talking about the US Government. They have done nothing official... however, maybe we will learn more when the next set of leaks come out.
    The republican members are a part of the government.
    They are paid by the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevofl View Post
    Wikileaks is not a journalistic entity. If they were all about transparency, why not release the name of the leaker? I very much doubt that it was Bradley Manning. Why not tell us who this person is? If we need to know the information, then we should check the source. Release the name.
    Don't be an idiot -- people don't take actions that end their business.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This latest round of leaks hasn't made anyone like or hate the US any more than they did before. Every country probably already knew about the contents of the emails at the same time as the US, because they monitor one another assiduously.

    These leaks have allowed a refreshing glimpse behind the veil of diplomacy and will hopefully lead to more open and frank discussion instead of everyone playing at being a Machiavellian courtier. That approach doesn't work any more.

    I hate to disappoint the obsessed, but the majority of the world is just shrugging these leaks off. They just aren't that interesting or newsworthy for the most part.
    The public didn't have access to all this, and that makes all the difference. Take for example countries where officials were cooperating with US efforts to use drones to kill Al Qaeda and Taliban people -- they just lost their deniability. In the world of diplomacy, that's kind of equivalent to throwing someone outdoors naked where his enemies are hunting for him with automatic weapons.
    In fact it could have a similar result in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Boy Smith View Post
    So you think Amazon, Paypal and the Swiss bank have removed their support of the site because they disagreed individually with what they're doing?
    LOL

    Amazon, maybe. Paypal is just another avaricious financial institution caring only about profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Don't be an idiot -- people don't take actions that end their business.



    The public didn't have access to all this, and that makes all the difference. Take for example countries where officials were cooperating with US efforts to use drones to kill Al Qaeda and Taliban people -- they just lost their deniability. In the world of diplomacy, that's kind of equivalent to throwing someone outdoors naked where his enemies are hunting for him with automatic weapons.
    In fact it could have a similar result in the real world.



    LOL

    Amazon, maybe. Paypal is just another avaricious financial institution caring only about profit.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...site-wikileaks

    Paypal have admitted that the US put pressure on them to remove access, so if people think Amazon and even the Swiss bank, have removed support because of some moral idea, then they're deluded. What this shows is the intimidation tactics the US will use as a means of getting their way.

    It's good to hear however, that Assange has an army of supporters that will continue his work, should he be taken out by the US or should he commit "suicide"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Boy Smith View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...site-wikileaks

    Paypal have admitted that the US put pressure on them to remove access, so if people think Amazon and even the Swiss bank, have removed support because of some moral idea, then they're deluded. What this shows is the intimidation tactics the US will use as a means of getting their way.

    It's good to hear however, that Assange has an army of supporters that will continue his work, should he be taken out by the US or should he commit "suicide"
    They're not exactly waiting that long:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-and-Visa.html

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    I don't know if you guys know, but Paypal is currently under a massive DDOS attack and http://paypal.com is currently down and http://www.paypal.com is moving slow.

    And check out the latest finds with the cables:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...nigeria-spying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    They do? Proof?

    ... and please don't quote an article or poll taken in early 2009 or mid 2009.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8626041.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Boy Smith View Post
    Paypal have admitted that the US put pressure on them to remove access, so if people think Amazon and even the Swiss bank, have removed support because of some moral idea, then they're deluded.

    Thank you.

    I wonder whether there are any intelligence agency plans underway to try to take out Assange and other wikileakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclean View Post
    Thank you.

    I wonder whether there are any intelligence agency plans underway to try to take out Assange and other wikileakers.
    They'd be idiots if they took him out. He has an insurance file that's approx 1.4 gigs on The Pirate Bay... and apparently it's full of information (with no redactions) and is said to be released if something happens to him.

    And if anything, they'd just make him a martyr. He's the mascot, that's it. Wikileaks can perform fine without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I just hope WikiLeaks publishes all the bad stuff on Canada and other countries. They are not without blame either.
    WikiLeaks is publishing information about nations all over the world, especially here in Australia. You're probably not hearing about them through the US's insular media, however.

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