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    Apparently the government isn't going to take our protestations of having our persons violated by them lightly. If you do not wish to be x-rayed and have some stranger looking at your "junk" or want some government toadie rubbing your inner thighs and "junk", you don't have to. But you will not be free to leave the airport either. You will be made to answer questions to the TSA and possibly even local law enforcement. Failure to do so can result in a fine of $11,000.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...,5604032.story

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    I insist they feel me up.

    I love to fly through the US.

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    What's airport security screening like in other countries? If I was to board an airplane in Toronto, London, Paris, Tel Aviv..... would these extreme measures be taken also?

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    Nope. But the outside the US flights are the first we aim at shooting down..... err I mean it makes it easier to count on internal flights as being safe and you can concentrate on the flights from the less "secure" portions of the earth.
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    i traveled this week on biz - was in LA, Albuquerque, Minneapolis then back to NYC

    saw evidence of the new policies

    in albuquerque as we were waiting to board, tsa agents patted down, checked sodas and questioned fliers who were just about to board a plane

    after they had already gone thru security

    i am all for security and the scary episode weeks back about the tip from the saudis i believe on cargo that would have hurt us and would not have been found .......

    well i am willing to give up some convenience for the good of all - as in saving lives

    but

    i'm not sure the "thinkers" who have thought this out are on the money

    not at all

    there's the goal

    then there's the policy

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    I'd rather get felt up a thousand times than deal with the rude motherfuckers working security at Paris Orly.

    Talk about reinforcing stereotypes!

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    Toronto it's pretty simple. Their not friendly, but their not pricks either. Last time I flew was a while ago though...

    As for this whole ordeal, I will just say I'm against the idea of being scanned naked and groped. As Ben Franklin so rightly wrote:

    "Those willing to give up a litte liberty for a little security will deserve neither, and loose both".

    IMO, the TSA is violating the 4th Amendment. But I'm not a Judge...

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    ^I might agree with the 4th Amendment issue, so long as we have some kind of right to fly. We do not, however. One of our legislators here in NJ, brought up a good point, though.

    Touching people's genitals, including their buttocks, even through clothing, may constitute a crime in NJ. Especially as it relates to kids. That makes it sexual assault, believe it or not. So there's going to be some kind of pissing match between NJ and the feds about this matter. I'd love to see a TSA slug dragged out of an airport in bracelets.

    I have a serious issue with the TSA, who has no law enforcement authority, detaining anybody and requiring them to answer questions. Many airports have no scanners and the only choice is being groped by one of these Neanderthals. So, if I don't want to go along with that you fine me $11,000? Sorry, I think I'll be doing more driving in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    If you do not wish to be x-rayed and have some stranger looking at your "junk" or want some government toadie rubbing your inner thighs and "junk", you don't have to. But you will not be free to leave the airport either. You will be made to answer questions to the TSA and possibly even local law enforcement. Failure to do so can result in a fine of $11,000.
    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    ^I might agree with the 4th Amendment issue, so long as we have some kind of right to fly. We do not, however.
    Nobody is forcing anyone to fly.
    You can always walk. Or stay at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclean View Post
    Nobody is forcing anyone to fly.
    You can always walk. Or stay at home.
    The problem is that once you get in line, you don't get a choice anymore. If you leave, you'll face the fine.
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    So don't get in line.
    (And ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    ^I might agree with the 4th Amendment issue, so long as we have some kind of right to fly. We do not, however. One of our legislators here in NJ, brought up a good point, though.

    Touching people's genitals, including their buttocks, even through clothing, may constitute a crime in NJ. Especially as it relates to kids. That makes it sexual assault, believe it or not. So there's going to be some kind of pissing match between NJ and the feds about this matter. I'd love to see a TSA slug dragged out of an airport in bracelets.

    I have a serious issue with the TSA, who has no law enforcement authority, detaining anybody and requiring them to answer questions. Many airports have no scanners and the only choice is being groped by one of these Neanderthals. So, if I don't want to go along with that you fine me $11,000? Sorry, I think I'll be doing more driving in the future.
    But you don't have a problem with the government torturing people to "make us safe." Good grief.

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    I'd much rather be felt up that receive ionizing radiation.

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    hell its the only way i get any action lol

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    Airport security in the USA is a joke.

    I once flew Cincinnati to Philadelphia to Rome.

    In Cincinnati, they wouldn't let me on the plane with a fountain pen. They kept referring to the pen as "my knife." All the security people acted like they'd never seen such a thing.

    In Philadelphia, after passing through airport security, I found a bunch of great shops. Including a stationary shop. Where I bought a fountain pen.

    Essentially, they took my fountain pen away because it was a security risk. Then, they let me pass through security, and I bought a fountain pen on the other side. I then got on the plane to Rome with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i traveled this week on biz - was in LA, Albuquerque, Minneapolis then back to NYC
    As did I - did you see me getting felt up at LaGuardia by chance?

    I don't know why the scanners piss me off so much, but they do. So on Friday when I flew home, I opted out. The TSA worker speaks into his little walkie talkie and says "We've got one that wants to opt out."

    Stand here, do this and that, I'll grab your stuff (um, why can't I carry my own laptop?) blah blah blah. The actual pat down is just creepy. They literally slide their hands over every part of your body, including sticking their fingers on the inside of your pants.

    I felt I should have left a tip.

    He wasn't even hot, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absolut View Post
    including sticking their fingers on the inside of your pants
    Whoa. I've opted out and been patted down two or three times in the past month.

    Nobody ever put their fingers on the inside of my pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclean View Post
    Whoa. I've opted out and been patted down two or three times in the past month.

    Nobody ever put their fingers on the inside of my pants.
    They only do that to the terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    But you don't have a problem with the government torturing people to "make us safe." Good grief.
    You have no issue with the President ordering a hit on a US citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    But you don't have a problem with the government torturing people to "make us safe." Good grief.

    *Yawn*

    Why should he have a problem with the government "torturing" three Al Qaeda masterminds for the sole purpose of thwarting future attacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Airport security in the USA is a joke.

    I once flew Cincinnati to Philadelphia to Rome.

    In Cincinnati, they wouldn't let me on the plane with a fountain pen. They kept referring to the pen as "my knife." All the security people acted like they'd never seen such a thing.

    In Philadelphia, after passing through airport security, I found a bunch of great shops. Including a stationary shop. Where I bought a fountain pen.

    Essentially, they took my fountain pen away because it was a security risk. Then, they let me pass through security, and I bought a fountain pen on the other side. I then got on the plane to Rome with it.
    Perhaps the pen really is mightier than the sword, at least in the estimation of the TSA!

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    The bottom line for the scans is:

    Scan, grope or go the fuck home. I sincerely hope most people choose not to fly to save themselves from shame because it makes my life a lot fucking easier if all the lemmings and especially the crying babies don't come onto planes.

    There is a special place in hell for anyone that flies with a uncontrolled balling child.
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    So let me get this str8. For nearly a decade Progressives and Liberals have been decrying the nonsense of the TSA and the unruly searches. (An agency created by Republicans I might add). But the response from the wingnuts has been, "Meh, if you don't like it leave". But NOW, once wingnut radio has picked up the story and a Democrat is in the White House, NOW it's a problem suddenly??? Unfuckingreal.

    I swear to god if Conservatives didn't hear it on wingnut radio; it didn't happen, never was a problem, or a lie from the left. Once wingnut radio & media whine about something, then the tin can soldiers bravely go forth into the internets and hammer out their righteous indignation.

    America is fucking doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    So let me get this str8. For nearly a decade Progressives and Liberals have been decrying the nonsense of the TSA and the unruly searches. (An agency created by Republicans I might add). But the response from the wingnuts has been, "Meh, if you don't like it leave". But NOW, once wingnut radio has picked up the story and a Democrat is in the White House, NOW it's a problem suddenly??? Unfuckingreal.

    I swear to god if Conservatives didn't hear it on wingnut radio; it didn't happen, never was a problem, or a lie from the left. Once wingnut radio & media whine about something, then the tin can soldiers bravely go forth into the internets and hammer out their righteous indignation.

    America is fucking doomed.
    dems and libs are all about personal freedoms no? had a huge problem with gwb's taking liberties with personal freedoms post 911 no???

    wiretapping
    patriot act
    etc.

    i got it - didn't agree with it - but understood the idea that erosion of those rights was a little scary

    but now ?

    so it goes both ways silly boy and at least admit that

    personally i think there's gotta be a better way than touching junk

    but until i hear what it is touch away

    cause i want the plane to make it to the destination

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    Ex-Homeland Security chief head said to abuse public trust by touting body scanners

    By Kimberly Kindy
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    Friday, January 1, 2010

    Since the attempted bombing of a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

    What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines....

    "Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners...."

    Today, 40 body scanners are in use at 19 U.S. airports. The number is expected to skyrocket at least in part because of the Christmas Day incident. The Transportation Security Administration this week said it will order 300 more machines....
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...123102821.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    dems and libs are all about personal freedoms no? had a huge problem with gwb's taking liberties with personal freedoms post 911 no???

    wiretapping
    patriot act
    etc.

    i got it - didn't agree with it - but understood the idea that erosion of those rights was a little scary

    but now ?

    so it goes both ways silly boy and at least admit that

    personally i think there's gotta be a better way than touching junk

    but until i hear what it is touch away

    cause i want the plane to make it to the destination
    Yes, liberals and progressives have been railing against this for a decade now!

    But for people like you who say, "golly, gee, if it makes us safer, then sure grope away".

    Please explain why the uber-intrusive TSA has not caught, prosecuted, and convicted a single, not a sole, nor one soul, one, individual that has sought to blow up an airplane. Why is that? The TSA didn't catch the "shoe bomber", nor the "underwear bomber", nor any other attempted bomber. Who did catch these people? OTHER PASSENGERS!!!

    So while the American sheep, like yourself, all line up, saying to themselves, "gee I feel safer" while being raped by the government who hasn't caught a single terrorist at the airport, EVER, Americans are forced to abdicate their freedoms en masse. No thanks Chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    Yes, liberals and progressives have been railing against this for a decade now!

    But for people like you who say, "golly, gee, if it makes us safer, then sure grope away".

    Please explain why the uber-intrusive TSA has not caught, prosecuted, and convicted a single, not a sole, nor one soul, one, individual that has sought to blow up an airplane. Why is that? The TSA didn't catch the "shoe bomber", nor the "underwear bomber", nor any other attempted bomber. Who did catch these people? OTHER PASSENGERS!!!

    So while the American sheep, like yourself, all line up, saying to themselves, "gee I feel safer" while being raped by the government who hasn't caught a single terrorist at the airport, EVER, Americans are forced to abdicate their freedoms en masse. No thanks Chance.
    I agree with you, save one thing.

    Progressives and Liberals are no more an ally of freedom on this than the republicans. They don't give two shits about it. They were given the chance to make significant changes to the patriot act, but did not do so. Now, they have the opportunity to use their power to ask questions about what is going on with the TSA's latest actions, and they refuse.

    If you think they honestly care, then you're more gullible than I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    Yes, liberals and progressives have been railing against this for a decade now!

    But for people like you who say, "golly, gee, if it makes us safer, then sure grope away".

    Please explain why the uber-intrusive TSA has not caught, prosecuted, and convicted a single, not a sole, nor one soul, one, individual that has sought to blow up an airplane. Why is that? The TSA didn't catch the "shoe bomber", nor the "underwear bomber", nor any other attempted bomber. Who did catch these people? OTHER PASSENGERS!!!

    So while the American sheep, like yourself, all line up, saying to themselves, "gee I feel safer" while being raped by the government who hasn't caught a single terrorist at the airport, EVER, Americans are forced to abdicate their freedoms en masse. No thanks Chance.
    interesting because right now seems like there are more republicans/conservatives fighting this while liberals appear to be backing pres. obama

    my point is it is a political issue with each side using it as a weapon

    as for the underwear bomber silly this method was not used then - that's the point

    thanks for the "you're a sheep" - you might try just once not to attack someone in a post - might make you smile more

    i think the tsa is doing the best they can now - obviously its not good enough - and they will have to figure out how to revise this policy

    and i trust they will

    trust a little rock

    trust a little

    its for a good cause

    to save lives

    maybe yours

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    MR ...don't fly. It is not any sort of a right. Feel free to take a non groped Train, Ship, Bus or ride a fucking donkey.

    Interesting that when it came to take a stand or get to your destination the "OPT OUT" folks backed down like bitches.

    So there you have it... Busiest travel day of the year. No delays, no boycotts, no problem. I guess the people voted with their .... convenience ... The scanners are a go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    ^I might agree with the 4th Amendment issue, so long as we have some kind of right to fly. We do not, however. One of our legislators here in NJ, brought up a good point, though.
    Why don't we have a right to fly?

    Freedom of movement is a right.
    Freedom to choose the means of movement is a right.
    Freedom of association is a right.
    Freedom to contract with others is a right.

    So freedom to move on the means of my choice along with others with whom I chose to do so via contract is a right.

    That means if I want to fly, and the airline wants to sell me a ticket, it is my and their right to make that contract and carry it through.

    If flying isn't a right, then no economic transaction whatsoever is a right. If the government can step in and impose arbitrary restrictions by people not attached to the airlines, then there is no single bit of activity between persons they cannot regulate. -- all they have to do is say it's for the greater good or benefit.
    At which point, the only reason gays have for objecting to John McCain is a personal disagreement -- if the government says no gays in the military is for the greater good, then we should just shut up and take it, like with airplanes.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Touching people's genitals, including their buttocks, even through clothing, may constitute a crime in NJ. Especially as it relates to kids. That makes it sexual assault, believe it or not. So there's going to be some kind of pissing match between NJ and the feds about this matter. I'd love to see a TSA slug dragged out of an airport in bracelets.
    It would just cause another civil war, except this time Washington would be leading the fight in favor of slavery....

    Would be fun, though. Were I the governor, I'd post state cops at the airports to observe, and just start arresting every time one of the TSA goons crosses the line -- which, if they're like the ones I've been seeing on TV, will be before the cops get settled in for observing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unclean View Post
    So don't get in line.
    (And ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense.)
    That's one of the more authoritarian, anti-freedom principles ever concocted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unclean View Post
    Whoa. I've opted out and been patted down two or three times in the past month.

    Nobody ever put their fingers on the inside of my pants.
    Wow -- I'm watching it over and over on the news, with lots of different TSA goons, including one leaning in to watch.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    So let me get this str8. For nearly a decade Progressives and Liberals have been decrying the nonsense of the TSA and the unruly searches. (An agency created by Republicans I might add). But the response from the wingnuts has been, "Meh, if you don't like it leave". But NOW, once wingnut radio has picked up the story and a Democrat is in the White House, NOW it's a problem suddenly??? Unfuckingreal.

    America is fucking doomed.
    If you insist on painting the world in ideology color-by-number, that's one way to see it. I see it as suddenly things crossed the line in so many minds where there's a "STOP!! SEX BEYOND THIS POINT!!" sign. I'm just waiting for the "bulletin" from the FRC comparing airport pornography in action to gay marriage......

    Quote Originally Posted by MoltenRock III View Post
    Please explain why the uber-intrusive TSA has not caught, prosecuted, and convicted a single, not a sole, nor one soul, one, individual that has sought to blow up an airplane. Why is that? The TSA didn't catch the "shoe bomber", nor the "underwear bomber", nor any other attempted bomber. Who did catch these people? OTHER PASSENGERS!!!

    So while the American sheep, like yourself, all line up, saying to themselves, "gee I feel safer" while being raped by the government who hasn't caught a single terrorist at the airport, EVER, Americans are forced to abdicate their freedoms en masse. No thanks Chance.
    The truly intriguing thing there is that conservatives, who supposedly believe in individual liberty and self-reliance, haven't proposed (as far as I've found) one single program that would empower passengers to do more catching. Seriously, would a real conservative have suggested issuing "Stop that terrorist!" kits to any passengers who wanted them?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    On a lighter note:

    New TSA (Transportation Safety Administration) Slogans:

    Can't see London , can't see France , unless we see your underpants.

    Grope discounts available.

    If we did our job any better, we'd have to buy you dinner first.

    Only we know if Lady Gaga is really a lady.

    Don't worry, my hands are still warm from the last guy.

    Throw a few back at the airport Chili's and you won't even notice.

    Wanna fly? mmwDrop your fly.

    We've handled more balls than Barney Frank

    We are now free to move about your pants

    We rub you the wrong way, so you can be on your way.

    It's not a grope. It's a freedom pat.

    When in doubt, we make you whip it out.

    TSA: Touchin', Squeezin', Arrestin'

    You were a virgin.

    We handle more packages than the USPS

    The TSA isn't silly, they just want to inspect your willy

    Stroke of the hand, law of the land

    No Shirt, No Shoes, No Problem

    Let your fingers do the Walking

    Cough

    Reach out and touch someone

    Can you feel me now?

    When we're done with you, you'll need a cigarette.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Get scanned, felt up or fined.

    Sorry, this was the only thread about airport security that I could find. I didn't want to start an entirely new thread just for this.

    A friend sent me his observations about recent flights. Even as an old person, I got a good laugh out of it. A line fit for a stand-up comedian.

    One of the things I've noticed in my recent travels is that people over 75 no longer need to take off their shoes before boarding an airplane. Old folks would be ideal suicide bombers as they aren't going to live much longer anyway.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

    VOTING: Just remember: "Be careful of what you DON'T wish for. You might just get it." GET OUT AND VOTE for what you DO wish for.

    "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony

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