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  1. #1851
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    She's a shameless mediawhore who is willing to do anything to promote her shitty music.


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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    False metaphor. A fire is, by and large, a predictable thing. Human beings are not.
    Actually some human beings are highly predictable and have a pattern of behavior.

    At the end of the day, none of us know her reasons for going back to him. They may well have seemed perfectly valid. However, they do not make anything HE does HER fault.
    Was I blaming her? All I Said is I think she should avoid him. Or is that just politically incorrect to say in your book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I think both are at blame.
    What's this, if not blaming her?

    Oh, and "Politically incorrect" is a shibboleth used by the right-wing press used to shame anyone who disagrees with their straight-white-cis-male dominated viewpoint. I've never seen it used in earnest by someone who isn't trying to justify being an arsehole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    What's this, if not blaming her?
    It's blaming both. But I guess this isn't politically correct. It's all his fault that she goes back to him when he has a pattern of behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    It's blaming both.
    When only one is ACTUALLY an abusive arsehole, and the other is a victim.

    Am I the only one who has trouble seeing how that's wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    False metaphor. A fire is, by and large, a predictable thing. Human beings are not.
    Metaphor wasn't about the fire in of itself - it was about knowing your reaction to being burned and doing the same thing anyway. So I don't see how it registers as false at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    At the end of the day, none of us know her reasons for going back to him.
    And that's why I question it. Because I really don't know.

    I could go on, but you've made it quite clear that anyone that questions her actions on this is automatically blaming her, so I should have stayed with my first instinct and kept clear. Now, you can state that i'm derailing for ending my chat with you if it helps you feel better - doesn't really matter all that much to me. I will still wonder why, and if that means to you that i'm blaming her... so be it.

    I will also wonder why this report is being so conveniently trotted out after the guy takes a Grammy, but, anything to keep this fresh in the mind I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    When only one is ACTUALLY an abusive arsehole, and the other is a victim.

    Am I the only one who has trouble seeing how that's wrong?
    Then she needs to avoid him. How difficult is that to grasp?

    There is nothing wrong with what I said.

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    What's wrong with what you said is that telling victims they need to modulate their behaviour to avoid being victims is tackling the wrong end of the problem.

    Chris Brown is an abusive arsehole. Whether Rihanna avoids him or not, he will STILL be an abusive arsehole. If it's not her, it will be some other woman. What needs to happen is that Chris Brown needs to STOP being an abusive arsehole, and then there will be no need for ANYONE to avoid him.

    Simply telling his victim(s) (because I'm sure there's more than one) to avoid him is doing NOTHING to tackle the root cause of the problem. Instead, it's hindering that effort by shifting responsibility away from where it really belongs - on the shoulders of the abusive arsehole who likes to beat up women.
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    There is nothing wrong with what I said. And I'm not promoting anything wrong. She needs to avoid Chris Brown. I'm not excusing Brown's behavior. Refer back to my article on trolling. Thanks.

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    Who are the fools who pay money to this thug so he can buy his bling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    There is nothing wrong with what I said. And I'm not promoting anything wrong. She needs to avoid Chris Brown. I'm not excusing Brown's behavior. Refer back to my article on trolling. Thanks.
    By shifting some of the responsibility onto Rihanna's shoulders, you ARE partially excusing Brown's behaviour. It's the equivalent of saying "she wouldn't have been raped if she hadn't worn such a short skirt". You're saying Brown can't avoid hitting women, therefore women who are vulnerable to being hit should avoid him. Whereas it actual fact it's easy to avoid hitting women, you just, y'know, don't hit women.

    And if you think I'm trolling, then you're the one who needs to re-read the article.
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    I'm not excusing anyones behavior. YOu don't speak for me. It's just that simple. Once a troll, always a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I'm not excusing anyones behavior. YOu don't speak for me. It's just that simple. Once a troll, always a troll.
    now who's getting defensive?
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    No. You're sitting there putting words in my mouth. I won't stand for that. Once you start making up things about the way I think... I will have issues with that. You are the one who came out swinging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    What's wrong with what you said is that telling victims they need to modulate their behaviour to avoid being victims is tackling the wrong end of the problem.

    Chris Brown is an abusive arsehole. Whether Rihanna avoids him or not, he will STILL be an abusive arsehole.
    Nobody is denying that Chris is abusive. We know that. We've know it for a long time. But so has Rihanna. In fact, she's probably known it for a lot longer than we have. She knows what she is walking into. It's not Chris' fault that she went back to him. He didn't beat her up or hold a gun to her head to make her go back. She want back on her own accord and accepts full responsibility if he beats her up again.

    If a friend of yours comes to your home and, while you're in the bathroom, sneaks into your bedroom and steals your money, that's not your fault. If he comes back and you let him in and he steals more money from you, that IS your fault.

    It's Chris' fault that he's an abusive arsehole, but it's Rihanna's fault for forgiving him and going back to him just to (very likely) get beat up again. She is not much of a victim when she invites the crime.

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    The only one who put words in your mouth is you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    She want back on her own accord and accepts full responsibility if he beats her up again.

    ...

    She is not much of a victim when she invites the crime.
    Would you say that to her face when she's lying in hospital?
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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    The only one who put words in your mouth is you.
    Typical. You did that in your post, and now you won't recognize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Typical. You did that in your post, and now you won't recognize it.
    I did nothing but explain a few things. And I've been polite about it compared to some people I know. Go hang around social justice communities for a while if you want to see the real arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    I did nothing but explain a few things. And I've been polite about it compared to some people I know. Go hang around social justice communities for a while if you want to see the real arguments.
    You haven't explained anything really. You're just trying to make some claims about what you thought I said or meant. And you have been far from polite coming here and going on the offensive. You haven't considered alternate viewpoints. You just dismiss them.

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    ^ you people are getting off topic about the stupid rich celebrities who can't live their own lives

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    Sadly, many victims of domestic violence return to their abuser.

    It's quite common because the emotional/psychological damage they suffer leaves them vulnerable and they end up succumbing to the mental hold their abuser has over them. That's why it takes many victims several attempts at leaving and lots of therapy to think rationally about their situation.

    So, if she really is getting back with him, I won't judge her. I just hope she realizes that she's making a mistake.

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    I'm sort of in a relationship with a tempestuous man. But he never physically attacks me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    Would you say that to her face when she's lying in hospital?
    Yes, I would. She has put herself into what she knows is a dangerous situation, and she did it voluntarily. It's Chris' fault for being an abusive arsehole. It's Rihanna's fault for putting herself in a situation where he can do it again. She's a victim, yes, but she's a willing victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    You haven't explained anything really. You're just trying to make some claims about what you thought I said or meant. And you have been far from polite coming here and going on the offensive. You haven't considered alternate viewpoints. You just dismiss them.
    When the "alternate viewpoints" are offensive to abuse victims, I don't need to consider them.

    I have not put words in your mouth, I have simply attempted to explain how the words you put there yourself appear to such victims. In this, I have clearly failed, because you still don't get it.

    Not once in this thread have I denied that it would almost certainly be in Rihanna's best interests to avoid Brown going forward. However, to state that, if she goes back to him and he beats her up again, it is partially her own silly fault, speaks to a culture of violence against women that I simply cannot get behind. If a man hits a woman, it is not the woman's fault, regardless of the circumstances. This is true even if the woman knows that the man has been violent in the past, because the man always has the option of not being violent again. He can have anger management counselling. He can step out of the room and count to ten, or go abd beat up a punchbag if he really feels the need to hit something. He can pop a couple of valium, or smoke a joint, or any number of things that do not involve inflicting physical violence on another human being.

    When you say "I think both are at blame", whether you realise it or not, you are partially absolving him of the need to take responsibility for his own actions. After all, if it's ever even partially her fault, then when do you draw the line? Is it her fault that she didn't want to have sex last night because she had a headache? Is it her fault that there's no mayo in the fridge, or that the kids toys were left out, or that the grammys in the trophy cupboard haven't been dusted? And even if the answers to all these questions are "yes", are any of them a valid reason to justify hitting her?

    I suggest you read up on "abuse culture". Here's a link to get you started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Yes, I would. She has put herself into what she knows is a dangerous situation, and she did it voluntarily. It's Chris' fault for being an abusive arsehole. It's Rihanna's fault for putting herself in a situation where he can do it again. She's a victim, yes, but she's a willing victim.
    I can't leave this one unanswered, but i'm too tired to type out another full response.

    So I'll just post the following quote from the link I gave to Giancarlo.

    8. Abuse culture is the belief that all victims can leave their abusers

    Many people wind up in abusive situations because the “alternative” is worse or because they depend on their abuser to help them with emotional/financial/housing/medical care/etc needs. The helpful question is “what can I/we provide so that it’s easier to leave abusive situations?”* not “why don’t you fucking leave already?”
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    My alternate viewpoint are not offensive to victims. They are discussing how people are enabling abuse to happen to them. People who do this need counseling and therapy. She's making a big mistake going back to him, if that is in fact what she is doing.

    You have put words in my mouth several times in your weak attempt to "explain" what I meant by what what I said.

    And no, I'm not absolving anyone of the responsibility. That's you failing to understand where I stand on this matter. I suggest you read up a little more on this subject in general. Abuse victims need to seek out counseling and need to separate themselves from the abuser. It takes some will power on their own level.

    You can try to put the blame all on one person, but you fail to empower her to get out of the situation. So in reality your complacency is allowing such abuse to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    I can't leave this one unanswered, but i'm too tired to type out another full response.

    So I'll just post the following quote from the link I gave to Giancarlo.
    8. Abuse culture is the belief that all victims can leave their abusers

    Many people wind up in abusive situations because the “alternative” is worse or because they depend on their abuser to help them with emotional/financial/housing/medical care/etc needs. The helpful question is “what can I/we provide so that it’s easier to leave abusive situations?”* not “why don’t you fucking leave already?”
    But she left. And then she went back. If she gets beaten up again, it's nobody's fault but hers.

    I know about abusers. I know how hard it is for them to get away. I know why they don't get away. I know people in such situations, and I know people who used to be in such situations, but I don't know any people who finally got out of the situation and then went back to it.

    I'm out of this now. It is accomplishing nothing.

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    This situation reminds me of Taylor Armstrong from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I've never experienced domestic violence, but after watching the series (weird, I suppose), I can see why she'd want to return to the verbal and sometimes physical abuse. For Taylor, however, it was because she probably wanted to go back to normal. Plus, she has a child. I suppose, she wanted to move past everything and start anew. In fact, that's what she asked her psychiatrist when her and her husband went to counseling together.

    You could blame the girl for going back to Chris, but as people have suggested, it's become psychological. I suppose most feel they want to go back to the abuser because they want and pray that things will change. Fortunately some people come to realize the danger they put themselves in. Such is the case with Taylor. Unfortunately, some people just become so attached and don't want to leave the abuser.

    It's very complicated especially when you're told that everything is your fault, you're a slut, you're this and that. Your ego must be bruised. You are criticized for every action you make...every action you didn't make. Not knowing what to do... I'm sure I'd feel trapped, too. I don't know. Just thinking about it, I can't say I blame the victims in this situation.
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    Are links not necessary anymore?

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    ^You're a 'smart' man, I'm sure you could have found the link if you really wanted to.
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    wow reading this was very hard We all heard a lot about this story but I didn't know it was THAT bad. He literally wanted to kill her and she was bruised and bleeding everywhere

    She's so stunningly beautiful now, it's hard to believe that happened not that long ago.

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    fuck chris brown and rihanna. i know chris brown is sick but rihanna is a much sicker person than he is. look @ her. it's like she has no respect for herself and she treats the people around her like shit. in no way am i saying that allows chris brown's bitch ass to do the brutality that he did to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    And no, I'm not absolving anyone of the responsibility. That's you failing to understand where I stand on this matter. I suggest you read up a little more on this subject in general. Abuse victims need to seek out counseling and need to separate themselves from the abuser. It takes some will power on their own level.

    You can try to put the blame all on one person, but you fail to empower her to get out of the situation. So in reality your complacency is allowing such abuse to continue.
    Do you not see that by transferring part of the blame on to her, you're the one who is failing to empower her to get out of the situation? Saying "it's your own silly fault" only serves to reduce the victim's confidence and make them more emotionally dependent on the abuser. That's why it's so offensive.
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    This is old story..

    I thought Chris beat up Rihanna ageain?>?

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterknight View Post
    Do you not see that by transferring part of the blame on to her, you're the one who is failing to empower her to get out of the situation? Saying "it's your own silly fault" only serves to reduce the victim's confidence and make them more emotionally dependent on the abuser. That's why it's so offensive.
    Again your complacency is failing to empower anyone. Your attitude is actually at fault for allowing abuse to happen repeatedly. You know what's offensive? Your statements. You think the victim has no power to stop things and leave.

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    This is old story..

    I thought Chris beat up Rihanna ageain?>?
    It would have said again and been all over the news if it happened again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joswanprince View Post
    This is old story..

    I thought Chris beat up Rihanna ageain?>?
    Me too. . . . . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    ^You're a 'smart' man, I'm sure you could have found the link if you really wanted to.
    I did, thank you. I found a website that linked back to Perez Hilton. I suppose links are no longer necessary, thanks to Google.

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    I did, thank you. I found a website that linked back to Perez Hilton. I suppose links are no longer necessary, thanks to Google.
    It's a public record, I doubt is any site would get in trouble for posting it.
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    It's a public record, I doubt is any site would get in trouble for posting it.
    That's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    You haven't considered alternate viewpoints. You just dismiss them.

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    Congrats Rihanna on your 13th number 1

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    The highly anticipated full length version of "Birthday Cake" was posted by Rihanna via twitter today. (I take it there won't be an iTunes release?) I was sort of hoping all the rumors about Chris Brown being the "surprise guest" were false. I know it's been three years, I know the past is the past, etc, but hearing the two of them basically having sex on the song was the complete opposite of sexy due to him. I am not TeamBreezy at all, anyone else but him would have been fine. Nonetheless it's a club banger for sure, and I can replace that 1:18 track on my album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digicel View Post
    She's looks so down to earth, she reminds me of the home girls I used to hang out with back in the Island.

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    I honestly did not care for the remix. I did not dislike it overall, but I was simply indifferent towards it. The transition into Chris Brown's verse was awkward and not really smooth. I did not feel like Chris Brown added anything to the track and I wish he had different lyrics (the first two bars) than what Rihanna had on the original.

    The collaboration seemed forced, but it could be my interpretation of the vocals. It sounded like they were trying to be dirty and raunchy as opposed to being dirty and raunchy. Much like the S&M remix, the original is enough for me, although S&M was already a full track and Birthday Cake is just a snippet.

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    I love hearing an full version of the song now (it's my favorite on the album), but something does seem "off" about it. I wish it was just Rihanna.

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    UNF wouldve loved Birthday Sex with her, shes so sexy.

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    So when I first started listening to the song, I was skeptical because I heard it wasn't going to be CB. But as soon I as heard his voice and the rest of the song, I loved it as well as Turn UP the Music remix as well. And "sweeter than a rice cake" pow pow Rihanna fired shots at his girlfriend.

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