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    Tibetan Buddhism

    I was just wondering, does anyone here practice Tibetan Buddhism at all?, right now, I'm not a practising Buddhist, but, I am definitely really interested in Tibetan Buddhism (among a few other religions).

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    Watching this show http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/u...hild/film.html

    made me dislike what I saw about tibetan buddhism--it wasn't at all like the westernized buddhism I've studied or the books by the Dali Lama I've read--they place in the show a very heavy emphasis on the importance of individuals as God-like leaders and a lot of ceremony and pomp and circumstance which ultimately led to the focus of this documentary which was a child being plucked from his home to become a religious leader. It was so sad to watch hordes of people coming into a room to be blessed by him while the young child was asking where his parents were and when they were coming back (they weren't coming back).

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    Re: Tibetan Buddhism

    I would suggest you look into Zen instead.

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    Re: Tibetan Buddhism

    Quote Originally Posted by onetwothreefour View Post
    Watching this show http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/u...hild/film.html

    made me dislike what I saw about tibetan buddhism--it wasn't at all like the westernized buddhism I've studied or the books by the Dali Lama I've read--they place in the show a very heavy emphasis on the importance of individuals as God-like leaders and a lot of ceremony and pomp and circumstance which ultimately led to the focus of this documentary which was a child being plucked from his home to become a religious leader. It was so sad to watch hordes of people coming into a room to be blessed by him while the young child was asking where his parents were and when they were coming back (they weren't coming back).
    interesting, custom like this is tribal.
    Who ever doesn't fit in would feel like an outcast.

    The praying on the floor to the superior is too much .
    I believe everyone should be equal.


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    Re: Tibetan Buddhism

    Quote Originally Posted by onetwothreefour View Post
    Watching this show http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/u...hild/film.html

    made me dislike what I saw about tibetan buddhism--it wasn't at all like the westernized buddhism I've studied or the books by the Dali Lama I've read--they place in the show a very heavy emphasis on the importance of individuals as God-like leaders and a lot of ceremony and pomp and circumstance which ultimately led to the focus of this documentary which was a child being plucked from his home to become a religious leader. It was so sad to watch hordes of people coming into a room to be blessed by him while the young child was asking where his parents were and when they were coming back (they weren't coming back).
    You have to step back, man. The DL isn't going to suggest to you that you copy the practices of Tibetan peasants. You would have to study them for months or years to begin to understand them. Yes, I saw that program, come to think of it.
    There is, in fact, very little emphasis on individuals as God-like leaders. I mean that this is not a correct assessment of the situation you saw. Actually, the thought that they accept is that these individuals incarnate something greater than godliness.

    You have to study what "godliness" is like in South Asia and Tibet. You have to understand that context. You might have distant ancestors who had beliefs much like those you might discover if you studied it carefully. Buddhism can be understood as about something 'beyond godness.'

    What can I say? Think of any religion as a rather abstract assemblage of mosaic pieces that have been put in place, but which can still have its stones varied. If you have a strong sense of color, your aesthetic sense will object to a wrong color being placed into the mosaic.
    According to the context of the mosaic, your "ethical" decision is about the same as that of a member of that religion who has a similar sensitivity to color. You have little agreement or understanding of the mosaic design that you see laid out before you. But in that context, you can see that they are right, more or less, with regard to that issue of juxtaposition and color choice.

    I am not very Buddhist myself. I just love my fellow earthlings enough to take the time to understand them.

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    I was raised in Buddhism - the only thing you need to ask of any religion is "is it really true?" - Buddhism fails this most basic of questions just as badly as all other religions do
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianDream View Post
    I was raised in Buddhism - the only thing you need to ask of any religion is "is it really true?" - Buddhism fails this most basic of questions just as badly as all other religions do
    Meh. There are all sorts of religious expressions which are of great importance, yet complete balderdash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    Meh. There are all sorts of religious expressions which are of great importance, yet complete balderdash.
    One interesting thing about religions - is that while the underlying concepts are complete balderdash - some of them do have some very good ideas on how we should treat others and live in harmony.

    I think Buddhism in general is quite strong on this - as is Christianity.

    While the specifics of either belief are very unlikey to be true - they do have some very good ideas as well.
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    Re: Tibetan Buddhism

    Quote Originally Posted by AsianDream View Post
    One interesting thing about religions - is that while the underlying concepts are complete balderdash - some of them do have some very good ideas on how we should treat others and live in harmony.

    I think Buddhism in general is quite strong on this - as is Christianity.
    Maybe Buddhism is strong on that (I don't know enough about it to have an opinion) but I would have to disagree on Christianity. That says that gay people are inferior, that women are inferior, people who happen to be someone else's property are inferior, etc etc. IMO what I see most religions doing is carving out some subset of people to treat well and live in harmony with, and treating everyone else with disdain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Maybe Buddhism is strong on that (I don't know enough about it to have an opinion) but I would have to disagree on Christianity.

    That says that gay people are inferior, that women are inferior, people who happen to be someone else's property are inferior, etc etc. IMO what I see most religions doing is carving out some subset of people to treat well and live in harmony with, and treating everyone else with disdain.
    I'd agree that what you say is true of many parts of organised Christianity in practice.

    On the other hand - there are several versions of Christianity where they do follow the essential Christian beleifs.

    The ideas that you should love other people as you love yourself, always treat other people as you would like then to treat you and look after others who are weak are hard to fault as a good way of life.

    What is bad is the "not so nice" people who "take over" Christianity - or any other religion. Whether these are the "Born Again" right wing USA version or the Bishops in Ugnada that (sucessfully) campaigned for the death sentance for being gay.

    Buddhism - is diffferent to many religions in that it deosn't have the concpt of a "Universal Creator" - but does have the drawback that it invents a "wheel of life" where every creature and person is continually re-incarnated.

    Needless to say - this introduces as many paradoxes and "leaps of faith" as found in religions where an all powerfull and all knowing God is a "person"
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianDream View Post
    Buddhism - is diffferent to many religions in that it deosn't have the concpt of a "Universal Creator" - but does have the drawback that it invents a "wheel of life" where every creature and person is continually re-incarnated.

    Needless to say - this introduces as many paradoxes and "leaps of faith" as found in religions where an all powerfull and all knowing God is a "person"
    I didn't grow up in Buddhism as you did, AsianDream, so my impression is sort of secondhand. But I did take some very cursory studies in Tibetan Buddhism, and I recall that there was a (perhaps belabored) effort made to distinguish between rebirth and reincarnation. The former, which was espoused, didn't require the transmigration of souls. Rather, it was creatures' karmic inclinations which were continually reborn. A materialist could charitably read it as a sort of gassed-up influence, though the problem you recognize always seemed palpable to me.

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    I studied and practice in the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism for perhaps six years. I'm by no means an expert. Living in a small city I never had access to a live teacher from an authentic lineage, but I received teachings online by listening to mp3 recordings of dharma talks given by Venerable Thubten Chodron.

    I've since decided to move into Soto Zen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    I didn't grow up in Buddhism as you did, AsianDream, so my impression is sort of secondhand. But I did take some very cursory studies in Tibetan Buddhism, and I recall that there was a (perhaps belabored) effort made to distinguish between rebirth and reincarnation. The former, which was espoused, didn't require the transmigration of souls. Rather, it was creatures' karmic inclinations which were continually reborn. A materialist could charitably read it as a sort of gassed-up influence, though the problem you recognize always seemed palpable to me.
    Hey Zoltanspawn - I would hasten to say that having grown up in a faith (which I have since rejected) probably makes me less qualified to talk about this than those that have studied this from the outside.

    Just as visiting tourists often see much more of the history of a place than those actually living there.

    I still don’t understand the distinction between rebirth and reincarnation in Buddhism.

    My main problem with any religion is the basic one – is it true?

    As none of them have any evidence to support their ideas – the only probable answer must be NO
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    Quote Originally Posted by cumwhore View Post
    I would suggest you look into Zen instead.
    Why Zen?.

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    interesting, custom like this is tribal.
    Who ever doesn't fit in would feel like an outcast.

    The praying on the floor to the superior is too much .
    I believe everyone should be equal.
    Just 'cause something isn't Western doesn't make the custom "primitive" or "tribal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looking4Fun2009 View Post
    Just 'cause something isn't Western doesn't make the custom "primitive" or "tribal".
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    Re: Tibetan Buddhism

    I've been reading some books by the Dalai Lama and Buddhism is the ancestor of Hinduism (which is what I follow), so there's many similarities, but a different view of many things.

    I don't know much about Tibet, but plan on learning about it, especially after seeing the Dalai Lama this past February.

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    Indeed both Buddhism and Hinduism were preceded by Brahmanism which heavily influenced both. Buddhism died out in India but flourished elsewhere for the most part (until, in China, there was that whole "Communist/Nationalist" thing).
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    ^I think many feel that Hinduism is an orthodox version of brahmanism to the point of sameness (though many of the religious practices differ.) Buddhism is heterodox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    ^I think many feel that Hinduism is an orthodox version of brahmanism to the point of sameness (though many of the religious practices differ.) Buddhism is heterodox.
    I'd agree that Buddhism is heterodox - but don't let the Chinese Regime know this -

    As there is actually a law in (Mainland) China forbidding "heterodox religions" - which they currently only use to persecute Falun Gong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Heart View Post
    QFT! ......
    Thanks, it annoys me when people lump things that seem "strange" in with being "primitive", it shows more about our Western bias than anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by AsianDream View Post
    I'd agree that Buddhism is heterodox - but don't let the Chinese Regime know this -

    As there is actually a law in (Mainland) China forbidding "heterodox religions" - which they currently only use to persecute Falun Gong.
    This may be a dumb question, but, what does being a heterodox religion mean?, BTW, is Buddhism still practiced in China at all?.

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    Re: Tibetan Buddhism

    Means that the old body of religious literature from which it grew is no longer considered very important.

    Buddhism can be contrasted with Hinduism in this case, the earlier expressions of which may no longer be practiced but are regarded by many as part of a continuous tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looking4Fun2009 View Post

    This may be a dumb question, but, what does being a heterodox religion mean?, BTW, is Buddhism still practiced in China at all?.
    A heterodox religion is one that is either non proscriptive in nature or that embraces dissent. The word heterodoxy means much the same as unorthodoxy.

    Buddhism is still practiced a lot in China - and is the cultural backgound to many ways of thinking there.

    One reason Buddhism is a heterodox religion is that Buddah specifically said that it was not to be taken "on trust" but that you should judge the truth of it based on your own thinking.

    One paradox with the Confucian interpretation of Buddhism (the mainstream version in China) is that this tends to be too willing to obey authority.

    I think this is one factor that makes "Asian" cultures especcialy vulnerable to being taken over by despotic rulers (though the West has had problems with this as well).
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