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    gay publishing companies?

    lately ive been gettin serious with my writing and im hopin when ive completed a project to see about gettting it published... does anyone know of some gay friendly publishing companies who are pretty mainstream and successful?

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    Oh there's quite a few, I have a list somewhere but the main two that pop into my mind atm are the gaypublishingcompany (Gay publishing) and Samhain publishing (GLBTO publishing) I'll post links to the others when I retrieve 'em...

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    thank ya

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    No problem, I found this page with GLBT publishing links on it and I will post it here when I find it

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    GLBT Bookshelf is a good resource. I am not allowed to post links now, so just search for it by name. There is a page with quite a few publishers (from list of links on the left). The list is not complete and leans a bit toward romance, but the site is useful.

    "We're a Community of writers, artists, publishers, booksellers -- all independent. We all have a common goal: to reach readers, to sell books, earn royalties, and spend a lot more time writing..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by EJMichaels View Post
    GLBT Bookshelf is a good resource..."
    I realize now that much of this site is erotic romance, which is usually intended for a primarily (but not exclusively) female audience. Still, you might find something useful there. (A man runs the site.) I haven't explored everything there. A resource with some other options is the
    Authors Resources at the Erotica Readers & Writers Association
    http://erotica-readers.com/ERA/AR/Er..._Resources.htm

    There aren't many online resources for publishing gay fiction, or so my romance-writing colleagues tell me.

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    Any gay KINK publishers? My story is on the raunchier side, and some publishers won't touch it.

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    Lambda Literary's website is always posting calls for submission:
    http://www.lambdaliterary.org/category/subs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevofl View Post
    Any gay KINK publishers? My story is on the raunchier side, and some publishers won't touch it.
    I've heard that your better off just publishing them on a website. I've showed a few to people who know some publishers and they say I need to tone mine down, I don't even publish them here on JUB because it's too much for them.

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    Self publishing to kindle is the way to go for this genre. e-books are great for this because TONS of people buy them in the privacy of their own home rather than going to a specialty bookstore - barnes and noble will not carry your literary porno - which place exists in some obscure part of a major city.

    This way, you make any money that you are going to directly, though you'll never get an advance for the next book. However, there are lots of free ways to market your book and get the word around that you've published. Be sure to have someone you can trust to be honest really read and critique for the purpose of improving your manuscript, though. Heartless critics are a must, or you'll end up with "my mom says I write good" syndrome and never know you need the improvement.

    If you think that your story is good enough to sell, then don't publish on a website, at least not all of it. If it's your first time and you want feedback that's one thing - if you've got a book completed and have some experience already, then craft it well, release a couple of teaser chapters maybe, and then publish.

    Start a tumblr or a facebook page to market, go to forums where it's okay to hawk your book, tell your friends (the ones you could look in the eye after they read your book...) have them spread the word. The thing about ebook publishing is that there's no company judging your manuscript from a marketing point of view - even if your book is good, it may not be what the market wants, and the publisher is in the business of making money by selling a product that A LOT of people will want; not just a few hundred who are into that kind of thing.

    Self-publish. Less hassle, more freedom, and it relies entirely on your ability to tell a compelling story or, in some cases, get people off with words - I've read plenty of smut that was just sex stories with no plot at all besides the two, or three, or... well, you know, characters involved doing their thing. Kindle sales count? 5000+. If it's well written, people out there will want to read it.

    THe problem in any case is that no one passes your erotic story around at a book club - likely each person who reads it will keep it to themselves and not tell anyone, for the most part. Makes word of mouth marketing tough.

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    And by kindle I mean any Ebook store of similar setup.

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    ^ Excellent advice for the more specialized erotic works with a relatively small audience. There's a different in self-publishing because your writing isn't good and because the market is too limited for a publisher to take on. People might think it's the former, but if you post a free sample, they'll realize the quality isn't the reason you're self-publishing.

    Of course there are some benefits to working with a publisher - they'll do some of the work and you can still do your own promo along with theirs. I'm starting to learn about some erotica publishers that take the more extreme material. I'd be glad to make a more specific suggestion if I can get an idea of the content.

    So far, I've been willing to tone down my work, but at some point, I might have to try self-publishing.

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    I'm writing too! lol that sounds soo cheesy but wtf it's true. I have been writing for a very long time, just have never been able to finish a work properly - luckily that seems to be changing. Now, I'm hoping to be able to publish SOMETHING - my strong point I find is thrillers but I also like doing some supernatural stuff, or fantasy or horror. My latest thing is erotic fiction, and am working on a gay one at the moment. I've got several story ideas and some unfinished stories at the moment. I'll be following this thread closely!

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    I'm thinking of going overseas to publish it. I have a lot of positives and negatives to getting it published.

    Positives:
    * Well written. I have a published author editing it and he said that he was pleasantly surprised that it was well written, with very few grammatical errors.
    * Plot beyond the sex. It is actually a love story with a kink foundation between a naive 20 year old and his mentor. There is definitely a beginning, middle, and end. I have been told that the tension is quite high throughout.
    * I vary the sexual activities so it's not the same thing over and over.
    * Character development. I spent a lot of time revising several passages to give a better development.
    * I have Colt model Wade Neff agreeing to appear on the cover.
    * My (bear pornstar) partner has agreed to prominently advertise it on his site. (He was the inspiration for my main character.)

    Negatives:
    * It is quite long—about 187,000 words. Most publishers want a length of 50,000. I really could not crop it down.
    * There is a lot of raunchy, kinky, unsafe sex. Yes there is a scat scene, but the actual scene is maybe half a page.
    * It first appeared on Nifty. It wasn't until I got over 200 contacts, most encouraging me, that I decided to clean it up in hopes to get published.

    A lot of the negatives are not really negatives for the German publishers. And something about getting published by a real publisher seems to be a major accomplishment. I will self publish if I have to.

    I would gladly share the first chapter if anyone is interested.
    Last edited by thevofl; March 1st, 2013 at 01:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevofl View Post
    ... It is actually a love story with a kink foundation between a naive 20 year old and his mentor. There is definitely a beginning, middle, and end. I have been told that the tension is quite high throughout...
    Definitely that. It's one of my favorite stories. I've seen only the Nifty version and a few of the revised chapters, not the current version.

    I've recently found some open-minded publishers, but most are too busy to take new submissions. That ought to be a hint to those who restrict content. I'll work on updating my list of publishers and share when I can.

    More info here. Free copies by request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevofl View Post
    I'm thinking of going overseas to publish it. I have a lot of positives and negatives to getting it published.


    Negatives:
    * It is quite long—about 187,000 words. Most publishers want a length of 50,000. I really could not crop it down.
    * There is a lot of raunchy, kinky, unsafe sex. Yes there is a scat scene, but the actual scene is maybe half a page.
    * It first appeared on Nifty. It wasn't until I got over 200 contacts, most encouraging me, that I decided to clean it up in hopes to get published.

    A lot of the negatives are not really negatives for the German publishers. And something about getting published by a real publisher seems to be a major accomplishment. I will self publish if I have to.
    I'm no expert, but after watching what happens with various books, and spending some time learning about marketing in general, I have a few thoughts. Some of the points were addressed in another post here, but I'm not going to try to integrate that here.

    Compared to a relatively unknown publisher, self-publishing can take you into more markets. It requires some self-promotion, but that's not difficult these days. You already have one venue for advertising. I understand the desire to have a "real" publisher take it, but given the quality of some books out there, that doesn't hold as much meaning as it used to.

    The amazingly successful Fifty Shades of Grey was originally free fanfiction and not published by a known publisher. Compared to what you'd expect from a proper publication, it was not extensively edited or revised from the fanfiction version. The success was largely driven by the original fans and word-of-mouth.

    From what I've seen, the upper limit on length is usually around 100K - 120K, but that depends on the publisher, as you know. FSOG was a single story released in three books, a strategy many writers are using now. I've been doing some editing for an author doing that. (It's not a criticism, btw.) I'm not suggesting it for yours because, as I remember, there wasn't a natural break in the story, but it's something writers could keep in mind. As a more extreme example, I've seen some self-publishing authors put up very short installments on Amazon as individual ebooks. Personally, I find it annoying to buy the books in small sections. From the consumer's perspective, I think it makes more sense for an author to give away a small portion and then sell the rest as a single book to those who liked the first part.

    For purposes of this post, I'm going to use "porn" below to refer to materials sold for sexual gratification more than literary content. That doesn't mean there isn't well-written porn or poorly written erotic literature that isn't marketed as "porn." I don't want to get into that discussion here - I just need a convenient term.

    The scat theme (and the more explicit scat scenes) are going to limit the market no matter how you do it. There's a porn market for it, but you've written something that goes far beyond that. Unless there is a publisher interested in promoting that, there might not be much advantage to finding a publisher. On the other hand, I don't know much about porn publishers. Those catering to audiences interested in scat might be extremely useful.

    One thing I've noticed is that the type of sex tends to put books into a genre, regardless of what the book does for most of its pages. A few pages can make the difference in how the book is categorized by readers. (I'm thinking of sites like Goodreads, where readers create the tags.) My novelette, for example, has been given the menage tag even though there's only one minor threesome scene. Also, the book isn't about BDSM, but because that's the kind of sex they have most of the time, it's being marketed that way. Not that I'm complaining, since BDSM has become very popular among erotic romance readers, but I don't consider it a D/s story, the sort I usually write.

    I think working with a publisher helps when you have a series of books or when your work fits in with a type of book they promote actively. A good book can become known on its own, with the help of the author's and fan's efforts, of course.

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    I planed to writte long ago. The story is in my head, few pieces are abcent for make complete picture. But I also plan to dont give up and write a book

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    Heartless critics are a must, or you'll end up with "my mom says I write good" syndrome and never know you need the improvement.
    The trouble is that art is subjective to a large degree. Objectively, art has all value and no value. It all depends upon things like the attitude of the appraiser, that person's knowledge/temperament/stance, etc.

    I dropped out of a Master's in Creative Writing. While some of the criticism I received from Ph.Ds was thought-provoking, it tended to be shallow, sloppy, and counterproductive. In fact, it's those qualities that provoked the most thought.

    You are really the only person you can rely upon to judge your work, and even then you're going to change. One prof I had as an undergrad made the observation that artists change into different people over time so even they can't be relied upon to be fair judges for their past work. That was definitely an astute observation. However, sometimes greater experience and maturity can lead one to see the flaws in one's earlier work.

    What constitutes a flaw, though, is subjective.

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    To sum up the previous post... it all really is a matter of "let's pretend". It comes down to finding the compatible people for the pretense and seeing how long you can keep them in the mood. Art is fantasy. It's role-playing.

    The same super gorgeous boy who gets you raging one moment (if you have a significant quantity of sperm to expel) can be rather passť the next (after you've cum). This crude principle applies to art just like anything else. Although there are commonalities, not everyone agrees upon which boy is super gorgeous or what to do with one...

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