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    Senator: Boxer
    My Congresswoman Judy Chu won by a landslide...she is a huge GLBT supporter.

    Closeted Republican Congressman David Dreier won as well. He was not on my ballot this year...they must have changed mine to Judy...which is what I asked for. I'm on the border of the two.

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    I've heard three state Senate races in New York are close with the Republicans having slight leads in all three. However, there are several thousand absentee ballots to be counted (and in one of them 19% of precincts are yet to report), which nearly always pushes results to the left. Remember too in the New York State Senate we now have Rivera, a huge gay rights activist who likely will lobby, and the time has passed now for the former President of the Senate to return and lobby (he's a Republican who now supports gay marriage).

    As for Iowa, at least the judges were only outed by 54%. It's funny though that two of them were appointed by Brandstad himself. I wonder what Culver will do. If not appoint the same 3, he should at least appoint new ones before leaving.

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    How did things go in your home state of Minnesota?

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    the governor race it too close to call. I think that there will be a recount. Control of house and senate went to Republicans for the first time.



    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...ority-leaders/

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    Yah it sucks Republicans gained control. Dayton will likely win though. Hopefully the Marry Me Minnesota court case will pull through.

    Some plus sides from California:

    -Kamala Harris won for California attorney general, which now means Prop 8 likely will die in court because there is no chance the state can/will appeal it now.

    -Andrew Pugno, the author/attorney of Prop. 8 lost his state assembly race. The seat actually has now flipped Democrat as a result.

    -In New York, Frank Carlucci won the Rockland State Senate district, cause it to flip Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    I've heard three state Senate races in New York are close with the Republicans having slight leads in all three. However, there are several thousand absentee ballots to be counted (and in one of them 19% of precincts are yet to report), which nearly always pushes results to the left. Remember too in the New York State Senate we now have Rivera, a huge gay rights activist who likely will lobby, and the time has passed now for the former President of the Senate to return and lobby (he's a Republican who now supports gay marriage).

    As for Iowa, at least the judges were only outed by 54%. It's funny though that two of them were appointed by Brandstad himself. I wonder what Culver will do. If not appoint the same 3, he should at least appoint new ones before leaving.
    What were the turnout percentages? I heard some yammerhead on the radio today saying that this proves Iowans are ready for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, but if left turnout was poor, that may be barking up a missing tree.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Our Upstate turnouts were horrifically low - 50% ish.
    I'm not sure about statewide, but I think similar.


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    Sad to say, but come this time next year or the following, Minnesota will have a ban on gay marriage and civil unions enshirned into their constitution,as the Republicians now have a veto proof majority.
    Same thing in New Hampshire, the fight to strip us of the rights we've gained there are now veto proof.
    I truly feel our country is becoming a theocracy and is on its way to fading away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Sad to say, but come this time next year or the following, Minnesota will have a ban on gay marriage and civil unions enshirned into their constitution,as the Republicians now have a veto proof majority.
    Same thing in New Hampshire, the fight to strip us of the rights we've gained there are now veto proof.
    I truly feel our country is becoming a theocracy and is on its way to fading away.
    Maybe. Certainly, if the Republicans have their way, the major power in the western hemisphere within a generation will be Brazil.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Hawaii Could Legalize Same-Sex Unions

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...me-Sex_Unions/

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    Quote Originally Posted by metta View Post
    Hawaii Could Legalize Same-Sex Unions

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...me-Sex_Unions/
    I noticed some moron there was some moron condemning all religious politicians. Besides the fact that he's condemning a LOT of supporters of gay rights, it's not a very bright strategy: it's a good way to show the neutral people that the religious boneheads are right.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    Our Upstate turnouts were horrifically low - 50% ish.
    I'm not sure about statewide, but I think similar.
    What's sad is that 50% is actually a rather high turnout.

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    Frighteningly so.


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    Oregon had over 62%.


    Which we ought to be regarding as piss-poor.

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    Yah it sucks Republicans gained control. Dayton will likely win though. Hopefully the Marry Me Minnesota court case will pull through.

    Some plus sides from California:

    -Kamala Harris won for California attorney general, which now means Prop 8 likely will die in court because there is no chance the state can/will appeal it now.

    -Andrew Pugno, the author/attorney of Prop. 8 lost his state assembly race. The seat actually has now flipped Democrat as a result.

    -In New York, Frank Carlucci won the Rockland State Senate district, cause it to flip Democrat.
    I wish this was so but that race is not over and at the moment...cooley is ahead...but there is still 2 million votes to count.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...EDB51G8313.DTL

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    ^^^Yes but lately many votes have poured in from conservative areas. Read the analysis given by Harris' Camp. and it explains why she will win.

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    Marriage equality in Maryland by spring?

    http://www.gaypolitics.com/2010/11/1...and-by-spring/

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    Quote Originally Posted by metta View Post
    I wish this was so but that race is not over and at the moment...cooley is ahead...but there is still 2 million votes to count.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...EDB51G8313.DTL
    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    ^^^Yes but lately many votes have poured in from conservative areas. Read the analysis given by Harris' Camp. and it explains why she will win.
    Half a million ballots to count, and Harris leads:

    http://www.huliq.com/10061/ca-race-a...ses-small-lead

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    Quote Originally Posted by metta View Post
    Marriage equality in Maryland by spring?

    http://www.gaypolitics.com/2010/11/1...and-by-spring/


    Do you just ignore my (and jockboy's) posts on this subject?

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    Civil unions legislation could pass in Illinois House next week

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    I don't know much about civil onions. But they sound less threatening than regular ones.

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    Good news!

    Steve Cooley concedes race for attorney general to Kamala Harris


    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1866981.story

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    So if the Ninth decides the people defending Prop 8 don't have standing, will she screw us or not?

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    So if the Ninth decides the people defending Prop 8 don't have standing, will she screw us or not?
    Are you assuming the consensus among legal experts on our side is to take the risk?

    In any event either side can ask the Supreme Court to hear or compel the circuit court to hear an appeal.

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    Are you assuming the consensus among legal experts on our side is to take the risk?

    In any event either side can ask the Supreme Court to hear or compel the circuit court to hear an appeal.
    I think a blank appeal would result in a victory at the Ninth. At the the only way to go forward would be for California to appeal, and then would be the time to decline to do so.

    And I don't think the winning side at some stage can appeal, so it would stay there in the Ninth, and a huge portion of the US would become a laboratory for demonstrating that anyone who wishes can get married and there's no harm.


    Ideally, at that point I'd want to see gays apply for marriage licenses in various places and be denied, followed by suits seeking to establish that no law 'authorizing' same-sex marriage is necessary.

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    RESOURCE


    Same-Sex Marriage: A Selective Bibliography of the Legal Literature


    http://law-library.rutgers.edu/SSM.html

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    Minnesota Family Council Loses Bid to Intervene in DOMA Case

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    Gay rights group donates legal documents to Yale
    http://www.greenwichtime.com/news/ar...ale-839507.php

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    Minnesota Family Council Loses Bid to Intervene in DOMA Case

    http://lezgetreal.com/2010/11/minnes...-in-doma-case/
    Good for the court.

    I remember when I was going to a "Foursquare Gospel" church back in college, there was some court case where a bunch of church people wanted to get in on it, and were turned down just like this. People were complaining like crazy. A very respected elder asked how many people were praying for the judge and other officials -- there were very few, so he reminded everyone that Paul taught we should pray for officials God has set over us.

    Not long after, he was asked to step down as an elder.


    Here ends the lesson.

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    Retired Justice John Paul Stevens on Gay Marriage

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    Gay marriage in Maryland seems likely

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...spects_Strong/

    This pretty much goes against what Jockboy and RazorEdge have been saying (not that they were missinformed, but that things have changed).

    It's good to know that if a referendum is approved, it would not happen until 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post

    It's good to know that if a referendum is approved, it would not happen until 2012.
    But that would also put the law on hold, yes?

    And wouldn't that leave a situation like in California, with same-sex marriage being allowed while the petitions were filling up with signatures?

    Come to think of it, that might not be a bad thing -- Olson and Boies could switch coasts, and start another suit.....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But that would also put the law on hold, yes?

    And wouldn't that leave a situation like in California, with same-sex marriage being allowed while the petitions were filling up with signatures?

    Come to think of it, that might not be a bad thing -- Olson and Boies could switch coasts, and start another suit.....
    Yes it would put the law on hold. What I meant was 2012 being a presidential election year would greatly increase voter turnout and thus help our side. Having an extra year will also give us more time to campaign/gain support, and also allow for the demographics to shift in our favor.

    I honestly think it was stupid for them to not put off voting for gay marriage in Maine until 2010 for all the above reasons. It especially sucks for the fact that in this year polls have shown dramatic increases in support (on average about twice the usual rate).

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    Gay marriage in Maryland seems likely

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...spects_Strong/

    This pretty much goes against what Jockboy and RazorEdge have been saying (not that they were missinformed, but that things have changed).

    It's good to know that if a referendum is approved, it would not happen until 2012.
    They're bullshitting you.

    It looks likely to pass committee for the first time, but nobody has any idea how some of the more conservative Democratic Senators will vote. James Brochin in Jockboy's own district is a prime example of this.

    I'm glad it can finally pass committee, though, so we can identify the problem Senators and see who's with us and who's against, at the very least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    I honestly think it was stupid for them to not put off voting for gay marriage in Maine until 2010 for all the above reasons. It especially sucks for the fact that in this year polls have shown dramatic increases in support (on average about twice the usual rate).
    I wonder how much difference Dr. Laura's support for DADT repeal has made. I know it's not the same issue, but to many people it's all a package.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    They're bullshitting you.

    It looks likely to pass committee for the first time, but nobody has any idea how some of the more conservative Democratic Senators will vote. James Brochin in Jockboy's own district is a prime example of this.

    I'm glad it can finally pass committee, though, so we can identify the problem Senators and see who's with us and who's against, at the very least.
    I'd be shocked if a chamber that has a nearly 3 to 1 Democrat majority can't pass marriage equality if it can make it out of committee and be brought to a vote, which it sounds like it now will.

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    BTW, I've read sources online saying Bronchin is supportive of gay marriage.

    Also, it's a very good sign that Miller is committed to bringing the bill to a vote even though he opposes gay marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    BTW, I've read sources online saying Bronchin is supportive of gay marriage.

    Also, it's a very good sign that Miller is committed to bringing the bill to a vote even though he opposes gay marriage.
    I'd like sources cited for both of these claims.

    I'm not saying I think you're lying or anything, but this all flies in the face of everything I've read about both Brochin and Mike Miller.

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    In Maryland, the Senate President and the Speaker of the House are both opposed to bringing a marriage equality bill to the floor. Someone is going to have to rail on them hard to change their minds. I also seriously doubt any poll that shows just a bare majority of Marylanders supporting marriage equality means that a marriage equality bill could survive referendum. Such was the case in both California and Maine. Sadly, our opponents' fear tactics work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    In Maryland, the Senate President and the Speaker of the House are both opposed to bringing a marriage equality bill to the floor. Someone is going to have to rail on them hard to change their minds. I also seriously doubt any poll that shows just a bare majority of Marylanders supporting marriage equality means that a marriage equality bill could survive referendum. Such was the case in both California and Maine. Sadly, our opponents' fear tactics work.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T3FXFnoTzE[/ame]

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    My home country, Canada is screwed up in many ways. But it's kinda sad that Canada allows gay marriage while our neighbor to the south is still fighting over it.

    Don't mean to sound rude with this, but it's true... This thread just makes me more proud to be a Canadian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    I also seriously doubt any poll that shows just a bare majority of Marylanders supporting marriage equality means that a marriage equality bill could survive referendum. Such was the case in both California and Maine. Sadly, our opponents' fear tactics work.
    I guarantee it wouldn't pass in Maryland at this time.

    This state is drunk on religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Uh, please explain to me how that "redstate.com" article (fucking lol) does anything to support the notion that Brochin would support marriage equality.

    I'm glad Miller is finally letting it get to a vote, but we have a lot of conservative Democrats here who might join the filibuster. *puke*

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Also, it's a very good sign that Miller is committed to bringing the bill to a vote even though he opposes gay marriage.
    That would be nice to see. I've made a habit of signing petitions for things I don't really like, but think the voters should have a chance to decide on; it would be good to have politicians think that way.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    It may be that Equality Maryland's postcarding initiative is starting to work. We've literally done hundreds of thousands of them in the last two years, flooding the offices of our elected officials. Equality Maryland is a small organization and we will need lobbying help if this is to have a serious chance at passage in 2011, either from Freedom to Marry or AFER, or some other large national organization.

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    Do you think it would help to postcard people outside of my district? I haven't done it yet because my district is owned by Rethugs (Reilly and Costa, blech).

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew282 View Post
    My home country, Canada is screwed up in many ways. But it's kinda sad that Canada allows gay marriage while our neighbor to the south is still fighting over it.

    Don't mean to sound rude with this, but it's true... This thread just makes me more proud to be a Canadian.

    As you should be. I'm not Canadian but I appreciate and admire the progress that Canada has made, not only with gay rights but also health care.

    The US Government is an embarrassment, a disappointment, irresponsible, irrational and we can thank the fact that so many US Americans are so ignorant, hateful, and grab on to dishonest spin. Any attempt to minimize spin gets squashed because those in power have found it to be so effective to them keeping power and getting what they want (corruption).

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJRosP3DBYw[/ame]

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Uh, please explain to me how that "redstate.com" article (fucking lol) does anything to support the notion that Brochin would support marriage equality.

    I'm glad Miller is finally letting it get to a vote, but we have a lot of conservative Democrats here who might join the filibuster. *puke*
    http://stopmarylandliberals.com/jim-brochin.html

    Still an obviously biased source but sheds some more light. In 2008 he expressed support for civil unions, saying they were (at the time) the only "political reality" to give gay couples the same rights as straight couples. To me this implies that he supports gay marriage, but didn't see it as being a winnable issue in the state at the time.

    Also, Miller is not only supportive of bringing it to a vote, but also supportive of working to end the fillibuster.
    Last edited by scream4ever; December 12th, 2010 at 09:29 PM. Reason: new information added

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