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    I think you're confusing Boxer and Feinstein. Not that I'm a huge Boxer fan, but eh, she could be worse.

    Edit: And really, even if Boxer did support the police state, it'd make her no worse than Fiorina who is a GOP shill (and they LOVE the police state).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    I think you're confusing Boxer and Feinstein. Not that I'm a huge Boxer fan, but eh, she could be worse.

    Edit: And really, even if Boxer did support the police state, it'd make her no worse than Fiorina who is a GOP shill (and they LOVE the police state).
    Boxer isn't as bad as Feinstein, who once said publicly that if she could, she'd order all Americans to turn in their guns, immediately. What she'd get, of course, would be a bullet between the eyes, which is what any American politician trying to do such a thing would deserve. But any time there's an effort to turn Americans into victims by infringing on the Second Amendment, she's right there.

    California is a place that could really use some multi-party politics. You guys have a wondrous spectrum of political views, and they all get choked off by two decrepit giants.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    oops.....not really a gay marriage issue....

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    Robert Duffy (Leutenant Governor candidate with Cuomo) supports gay marriage:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...candidate.html

    So in the event of a tie we'd still win. Probably a good idea to call John Simpson and inform him of this.

    Also, after reading some past news archives, I think Kruger might be moveable. Pedro Espada broke away from the "Gang of Three" and ended up supporting gay marriage, so Kruger may do the same. Unlike Diaz, Kruger said he voted no simply becuase of what his constituents said, not by giving religious reasons. However, Aubertine is most certain to not move (he voted No while in the Assembly).

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    Interesting about Kruger. I *thought* I read something about him being a steadfast social conservative like Aubertine, but I guess not. Maybe I just assumed his vote was lost because his district is so overwhelmingly social conservative. That area of southern Long Island around Queens and Brooklyn is brutal. They were the ones (in Queens, at least) whom Addabbo claimed were against it 3 to 1.

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    10 States File Opposition To Gay Marriage


    Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia, & Wyoming

    http://www.wkrg.com/raw_news/article...2010_11-34-am/

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    NOM Continues To Sue States To Dodge Election Laws, This Time FL

    NOM Sues To Dodge Florida Election Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Interesting about Kruger. I *thought* I read something about him being a steadfast social conservative like Aubertine, but I guess not. Maybe I just assumed his vote was lost because his district is so overwhelmingly social conservative. That area of southern Long Island around Queens and Brooklyn is brutal. They were the ones (in Queens, at least) whom Addabbo claimed were against it 3 to 1.
    The "Gang of Three" fiasco was about gay marriage if I remember correctly. Remember too that Kruger did vote yes to the burial rights bill.

    Does V. Mountgomery represent a different part of Brooklyn then, one that is more liberal (she voted yes to the bill of course)?

    Addabbo simply heard from them 3 to 1 in terms of opposition v support. It's a well know fact that people are more likely to write about something they're against rather then for. I hope that is being made known to him. I don't think he'd be in danger of getting voted out if he votes yes because while that area may be more socially conservative, it's still very reliably Democrat (has become that way in recent years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by metta View Post
    NOM Continues To Sue States To Dodge Election Laws, This Time FL

    NOM Sues To Dodge Florida Election Law

    http://lezgetreal.com/2010/09/nom-su...-election-law/

    and RI



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    http://www.heraldnews.com/campaign20...I-election-law

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    The "Gang of Three" fiasco was about gay marriage if I remember correctly. Remember too that Kruger did vote yes to the burial rights bill.

    Does V. Mountgomery represent a different part of Brooklyn then, one that is more liberal (she voted yes to the bill of course)?
    Yeah, she represents the north side somewhat close to Manhattan. Kruger's district is way on the southeast end. They're very different districts. There are a lot of state Senators in Brooklyn, most of whom support equality without any repercussions. It's a fairly diverse borough - you're talking about a place with 2 million people.

    Kruger's district has a large Eastern European population. They're rather "culturally conservative." Montgomery represents the area that Knucklehead (Kenny - the guy who posts here) keeps bitching about being overrun with hipsters and yuppies.

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    I have often thought about writing a letter to one of my senators (Klobuchar / Franken), especially since Minnesota is supposed to be rather progressive in social matters - and both of the senators support GLBT rights (or am I wrong on that?)... I would love to be able to take my husband and move back to the US at some point in the future, but would an insignificant letter from one individual expat really make any difference? Has anyone else written to their senators and gotten a reply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybear71 View Post
    I have often thought about writing a letter to one of my senators (Klobuchar / Franken), especially since Minnesota is supposed to be rather progressive in social matters - and both of the senators support GLBT rights (or am I wrong on that?)... I would love to be able to take my husband and move back to the US at some point in the future, but would an insignificant letter from one individual expat really make any difference? Has anyone else written to their senators and gotten a reply?
    I've written to my senators when I've been in three different states, and always gotten a reply. Most of the time it's a form letter, but twice it's been directly to my letter, with even an actual signature.

    I don't know the current figures, but it used to be said that a letter from one constituent, on an issue, was taken as an indication that another ten thousand thought that way.

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    Franken is one of the most liberal members of the US Senate. Klobuchar is pretty much your standard Democrat from Minnesota. So yes, they are very friendly on gay issues.

    Also, Minnesota will gain back its reputation as being a progressive state when Mark Dayton is elected (gay marriage, single payer health care, etc.).

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    How's the outlook on marriage equality passing the Minnesota legislature right now? Still good?

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    As far as I know yes. Dayton has been leading in the polls for the most part (though his lead has dropped a bit).

    I've heard reports saying that the Minnesota House will gain an average of 19 Republicans (which I don't believe) and in the Senate they are expected to gain at least 3 seats, but it's really not too bad when you see that the Democrats have a 40 seat lead already. Also, many of the seats most likely to be lost are the more conservative Democrats who would vote no to gay marriage anyways.

    The Catholic Church is really going crazy here in the state, sending out informational DVD's to 400,000 homes. Already there is a movement to return them or send them to another address and they will donate money to a charity and use the old DVD to form an "art project".

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Franken is one of the most liberal members of the US Senate. Klobuchar is pretty much your standard Democrat from Minnesota. So yes, they are very friendly on gay issues.

    Also, Minnesota will gain back its reputation as being a progressive state when Mark Dayton is elected (gay marriage, single payer health care, etc.).
    Minnesota nice.

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    I've read some more realistic projections regarding this November and they are predicting Republican gains of roughly 3 seats in the Senate and 6 in the House. Minnesota is one of the few states to not be affected too bad by the Tea Party movement.

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    http://www.nycapitolnews.com/news/12...010-09-29.html

    Apparently there are about 6-12 New York Republican senators that are considered moveable on gay marriage! I noticed that they failed to mention Alesi in their list. Could this mean that he's pretty much a confirmed Yes (last year his aid put out a notice that he was ready to announce his support for the bill, but at the last minute he decided not to)?

    After reading this article, I think Tom Duane probably at first did have the votes to pass gay marriage, but the "Scozzfava" incident deterred any Republican support.

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    ^^^

    What I suspected.

    Scozzafava said she has spoken with colleagues who, fearing retribution from the Conservative Party, voted against gay marriage last year, despite personally supporting it.

    The Scozzafava event is definitely what caused defeat last year in NY, and probably in
    New Jersey as well.

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    Also, upon further research, I've realized that District 22 (Brooklyn) seems pretty moveable as well. The Republican incumbant is for the first time in several terms facing competition and there are 43,000 more registered Democrats then Republicans in said district.

    "The Scozzafava event is definitely what caused defeat last year in NY, and probably in
    New Jersey as well."

    I'd say in New Jersey it was Chris Christie bullying the undecided/leaning yes into voting no. Just the other day he was trying to act all sympathetic towards Mr. Clamentti's suicide when obviously it's people like him who help cause these things (even if they don't say it directly, it sends a message to these youth that they can't turn to the government for help when rejected by society). I'm so glad his approval ratings are dwindling.

    BTW if anybody knows people in Maine tell them to get out and vote for Libby Mitchell next month! Don't let another Chris Christie come to power!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    http://www.nycapitolnews.com/news/12...010-09-29.html

    Apparently there are about 6-12 New York Republican senators that are considered moveable on gay marriage! I noticed that they failed to mention Alesi in their list. Could this mean that he's pretty much a confirmed Yes (last year his aid put out a notice that he was ready to announce his support for the bill, but at the last minute he decided not to)?

    After reading this article, I think Tom Duane probably at first did have the votes to pass gay marriage, but the "Scozzfava" incident deterred any Republican support.
    That article is bunk. Whoever wrote that just isn't up to speed. Over the past few weeks, the Conservative Party stopped backing Lazio and got behind Paladino. There goes their entire premise.

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    Future of the NY Marriage Equality Act

    http://centralny.ynn.com/content/all...-equality-act/

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    It's fucked until 2013:

    http://www.siena.edu/pages/179.asp?item=3001

    If Tony Avella can't even win, they'll just have to wait until the next set of elections.

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    Something about that survey just doesn't seem right. Padavan won by less then 500 votes in 2008 and now he's 24% ahead in the polls against a popular Democrat from the area?

    Some other observations:

    -It has Foley ahead by 1%, and I thought he was the most vulnerable Democrat too. I think that likely now is Aubertine, which it won't matter for marriage equality if he's kicked out since he voted no and is not considered moveable.

    -I read another Sienna poll of other districts, and it said Valesky was ahead by about 10%, Greg Ball and the Dem. candidate were pretty much neck and neck, and Kennedy was 3% behind Quinn (though the poll also included Stachowski, who's running on the Working Families and Independent tickets).

    Good news though is Cuamo is really picking up in the polls (30%+ leads like before) so his coattails will help a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    It's fucked until 2013:

    http://www.siena.edu/pages/179.asp?item=3001

    If Tony Avella can't even win, they'll just have to wait until the next set of elections.
    It's time for some gerrymandering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    It's time for some gerrymandering.
    Oh the offending end of a double-edged sword.

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    An interesting development in New York.

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...Marriage_Vote/

    I remember he said something similar to this during the Republican coup last year. It sounds to me like maybe Skelos wants it to pass just so it'll be over with (his words are very similar to Governor Jim Douglas' after he vetoed the gay marriage bill in Vermont, basically indirectly telling others to support it while not supporting it himself).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    An interesting development in New York.

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...Marriage_Vote/

    I remember he said something similar to this during the Republican coup last year. It sounds to me like maybe Skelos wants it to pass just so it'll be over with (his words are very similar to Governor Jim Douglas' after he vetoed the gay marriage bill in Vermont, basically indirectly telling others to support it while not supporting it himself).
    Very interesting!

    I'm not sure that can happen without the pro-equality side losing seats, though.

    In order for the Repubs to win back a majority, we'd have to see losses from at least two of Aubertine/Addabbo/Valesky. We'd need Valesky's vote, and probably Addabbo's if it's going to pass (we'd need Addabbo to actually switch over to our side this time, but his vote is still needed).

    Either that or nearly that whole block of moderate Republicans would have to cross over. *Maybe* that could happen, but I won't count on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Very interesting!

    I'm not sure that can happen without the pro-equality side losing seats, though.

    In order for the Repubs to win back a majority, we'd have to see losses from at least two of Aubertine/Addabbo/Valesky. We'd need Valesky's vote, and probably Addabbo's if it's going to pass (we'd need Addabbo to actually switch over to our side this time, but his vote is still needed).

    Either that or nearly that whole block of moderate Republicans would have to cross over. *Maybe* that could happen, but I won't count on it.
    From what I understand it's actually Aubertine/Kennedy/Foley that are the most likely Republican switchovers, with Aubertine being the most vulnerable. Obviously Aubertine is not moveable, so him getting voted out would not be a loss regarding marriage equality. Something else to point out about Kennedy too is that while he's behind in the poll, Stachowski is likely taking some of his votes that he will get on election day (Stachowski has the Working Families party ticket and had 12% of those surveyed in the poll). Foley's race seems to otherwise be pretty much a dead tossup, though his opponent is a Tea Partier, and I've heard they are not as popular in New York as they are in other areas of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    An interesting development in New York.

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...Marriage_Vote/

    I remember he said something similar to this during the Republican coup last year. It sounds to me like maybe Skelos wants it to pass just so it'll be over with (his words are very similar to Governor Jim Douglas' after he vetoed the gay marriage bill in Vermont, basically indirectly telling others to support it while not supporting it himself).
    It's a step further for Skelos who was lenient on last year's vote. As close as we got at least we had that and if the GOP takes back the NY Senate, let's just see if he lives up to that promise.

    Of course it would be nice if he actually supported the bill. Something tells me a GOP-controlled NY Senate wouldn't be able to pass it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    From what I understand it's actually Aubertine/Kennedy/Foley that are the most likely Republican switchovers, with Aubertine being the most vulnerable. Obviously Aubertine is not moveable, so him getting voted out would not be a loss regarding marriage equality. Something else to point out about Kennedy too is that while he's behind in the poll, Stachowski is likely taking some of his votes that he will get on election day (Stachowski has the Working Families party ticket and had 12% of those surveyed in the poll). Foley's race seems to otherwise be pretty much a dead tossup, though his opponent is a Tea Partier, and I've heard they are not as popular in New York as they are in other areas of the country.
    But is Stachowski going to remain on the ballot?

    I forgot about Foley, but then again, I also forgot about the Mike Kaplowitz vs. Greg Ball smackdown, so there might be *one* Democratic pickup to offset Republican gains.

    I think the outlook for Foley is very, very bad, btw. If you look at that poll, he has a higher unfavorability rating than favorability. His opponent is mostly unknown at the moment. That's a very bad combo. That means all Zeldin has to do is get the electorate to become more familiar with him. That formula has worked well for anti-incumbents in this election cycle.

    The tea party may not be popular in New York as a whole, but they've found successes in some Republican areas. Paladino was able to win the GOP nomination, after all.

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    Cuomo vows same-sex marriages in NY

    "I don't want to be the governor who just proposes marriage equality. I don't want to be the governor who lobbies for marriage equality. I don't want to be the governor who fights for marriage equality. I want to be the governor who signs the law that makes equality a reality in the state of New York," Cuomo said.

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    A Democrat running for an executive office making campaign promises to the gays that they can't keep.

    Hmmmm, where have I seen that before?

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    Cuomo's lead is picking up again to the 30%+ mark. If he can break 60% election day, his coattails will help the Democrats running for the State Senate.

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    Rhode Island Judge Tells NOM to Abide By Campaign Finance Laws


    Anti-gay marriage group must list RI expenditures
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    US Supreme Court Considering Taking DC Gay Marriage Case

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    I fucking hate John Roberts.

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    I fucking hate John Roberts.
    Finally?

    I knew he was a trash appointment when he was picked. He certainly doesn't deserve to be the chief. About the only things in his favor are he has a strong position on the Second Amendment and feels very strongly that no part of the Constitution should be overruled by treaties.

    Oh -- and he's marginally better than John McCain would be.

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    I think it's safe to say though that even if the Supreme Court takes this case, they will uphold the prior rulings. In the event of them overturning the prior rulings, I think it's pretty much a given that an area that voted 92% for Obama would also vote to keep gay marriage.

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    Fran Drescher Joins Moby In Urging New Yorkers To Support Gay Marriage



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    Go Iowa!
    Well, for now maybe. It turns out some republican (Bob Vander Plaats) who has been cranky about never winning a gubernatorial race decided to launch a massive campaign to oust three of the Iowa Supreme Court justices who voted the gay marriage ban unconstitutional- legalizing it. It was a unanimous decision, but three of the state's seven judges are up for retention and it is now a ballot measure. "Judges in Iowa are not elected, but face retention elections every eight years, which usually get almost no attention."
    They're calling it Iowa for Freedom. Seriously.
    And it's bank-rolled by Mississippi's American Family Association: "a conservative group that believes Muslims should not serve in the military and that gays and lesbians should not hold public office. Campaign disclosure records show AFA's political action arm, known as AFA Action Inc., has given about $100,000 to Iowa for Freedom... A total of nearly $320,000 has been spent on the campaign to oust the justices. Besides money spent by AFA, the National Organization for Marriage has spent $235,000 on television ads.... Iowa for Freedom is not from Iowa and it is not for freedom."-AP

    It's hard to say how Iowa will vote. It isn't something most voters would care about, but if the judges' decision angers them enough, or the ads are effective, they just might vote NO. But enough of Iowa is concerned about how it would undermine its judicial system. Judges don't represent the electorate, they represent the constitution. But to the far right, the Bible> the Constitution. The response I've run into is pretty much split.
    Iowa has a long, proud history of being a leader on progressive issues. Let's hope we can retain that reputation.

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    ^^^I heard a poll showed 40% favor outing all 3 judges, 44% are against outing any of them, while 16% are unsure.

    It won't change anything even if they are booted out. Even if they are, Culver is still in office for another 3 weeks after their final day, and he will simply appoint 3 equally liberal judges.

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    Mixed results so far in New York, but Fight Back NY makes it 3/3 with Tony Avella beating Frank Padavan.

    That organization now has serious teeth. Going to be very interesting to see how this impacts things as we move forward.

    I don't know about this new Senate, but I think it's very likely they'll get marriage equality in New York in 2013 at this rate.

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    My gal Lori Albin lost her bid for the Maryland House of Delegates

    Though she was a newcomer in a race full of well-known candidates.

    The General Assembly doesn't look any better than it did before the election in terms of winning marriage equality here.



    Concerning IOWA:

    All three Justices on the ballot were ousted. Disgusting...

    Republicans won the Iowa House but the Senate remains in Democratic hands. We likely will see a movement to put the question of gay marriage to the voters through a constitutional amendment, especially with three good justices gone.

    However, Iowa voters turned down a constitutional convention (thank heavens)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post

    Concerning IOWA:

    All three Justices on the ballot were ousted. Disgusting...

    Republicans won the Iowa House but the Senate remains in Democratic hands. We likely will see a movement to put the question of gay marriage to the voters through a constitutional amendment, especially with three good justices gone.

    However, Iowa voters turned down a constitutional convention (thank heavens)
    It seems pretty clear that Iowa for Freedom was more about making an example out of these three judges on a national level, hoping to influence gay marriage rulings across the country. If they were really just concerned about overturning the Iowa decision, they would have spent more of the campaign on the constitutional convention, something I don't think nearly as many voting Iowans were clear on or aware of.

    It's funny that Branstad made it a point to advise Culver not to appoint three replacement judges before the end of his term, in his acceptance speech, and how Iowans wouldn't approve of it. They got their way, their punishment, their point across that our constitution means nothing to them. The damage has been done whether Culver does so or not, I doubt "Iowa for Freedom" bat an eye.

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    ^^^

    I agree that it was damaging, and Brian Brown is probably gloating like the arrogant bastard he is. Though not all states vote to retain their Supreme Court justices.

    If I were Culver, I'd reappoint the same ousted justices just to make a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arpeggi View Post
    It seems pretty clear that Iowa for Freedom was more about making an example out of these three judges on a national level, hoping to influence gay marriage rulings across the country. If they were really just concerned about overturning the Iowa decision, they would have spent more of the campaign on the constitutional convention, something I don't think nearly as many voting Iowans were clear on or aware of.

    It's funny that Branstad made it a point to advise Culver not to appoint three replacement judges before the end of his term, in his acceptance speech, and how Iowans wouldn't approve of it. They got their way, their punishment, their point across that our constitution means nothing to them. The damage has been done whether Culver does so or not, I doubt "Iowa for Freedom" bat an eye.
    I truly fear for our rights across the country now. Politicions and judges will refuse to do the right thing for fear of not being reelected or retained.
    Sounds harsh but I wish a slow and painful death on all of these religious right bastards, I truly do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    ^^^

    I agree that it was damaging, and Brian Brown is probably gloating like the arrogant bastard he is. Though not all states vote to retain their Supreme Court justices.

    If I were Culver, I'd reappoint the same ousted justices just to make a point.
    I like the idea, but it could just feed a worse backlash. How that might really turn out, given the rhythm of elections and such, I'll lead to the professional prognosticators.

    I heard tow pundits last night on TV discussing whether out-of-state money should be allowed on state issues. We were flipping channels so much I don't know which, but my guess would be our KATU2, which is an ABC affiliate, or Fox12, which is a Fox affiliate but darned independent.

    I think it's an idea whose time has come; it wouldn't surprise me if 2/3 of voters would happily say "It's our state; keep the outsiders out".

    Republicans should love it, in theory -- it emphasizes state sovereignty....

    "Whereas Oregon is a sovereign state within a federal system...."

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I truly fear for our rights across the country now. Politicions and judges will refuse to do the right thing for fear of not being reelected or retained.
    Sounds harsh but I wish a slow and painful death on all of these religious right bastards, I truly do.
    The Religious bigots love demagoguery. For all that Billy Graham earned respect across the spectrum, he began as a demagogue fueled by a right-wing newsman. Since then, it's only gotten worse; I suppose that once they got seriously into politics, the RBs would go demagogue.

    So far it's mixed signals across the country -- but I'm keeping my rifles oiled.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    oh my gosh....I think that every GLBT rights supporter for major office won in California.

    Governor: Jerry Brown
    Lieutenant Governor: Gavin Newsom
    Secretary of State: Debra Bowen
    Controller: John Chiang
    Treasurer: Bill Lockyer (hated his commercials)
    Attorney General: Kamala Harris (close race - used her stance on being against the death penalty against her. It is so close that I'm not sure that this is final yet. 97.1% reporting and it is 3,246,146 to 3,215,104 votes)
    Insurance Commissioner: Dave Jones
    State Board of Equalization: Chris Parker


    The judges results are just plain stupid. It looks like most people just voted yes on everything without doing any research. So Supreme Court Justice Ming Chin won. He votes against us time and time again.

    I think that the majority of Californians see tea party candidates as a joke. Obviously, much of the rest of the country does not.

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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