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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybear71 View Post
    Gosh, I hope you're right about Minnesota. That would be impressive considering they only narrowly defeated the amendment recently, wouldn't it? I'm hoping those two great Senators get the job done...

    Personally, I would have thought that Illinois and New Jersey would be the next states up, but maybe California, Delaware and Rhode Island are closer?

    Kind of makes me wish I could do more for the cause, but it's not always easy living way over here in Norway!
    Illinois will likely take it up during their lame duck session in the coming weeks. California will likely have it by the end of the month when the Supreme Court declines review of the Hollingsworth v Perry case. In New Jersey it depends on how Christie handles the situation.

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    Why are you so sure that SCOTUS will decline review of Hollingsworth?

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    I don't see why Illinois will necessarily take it up in the lame duck. I've seen nothing but talk of a push by Greg Harris.

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    Why are you so sure that SCOTUS will decline review of Hollingsworth?
    -It was a narrow ruling which applied only to California

    -The Supreme Court will not want to risk a broad ruling being issued at this time

    -The issue of standing may be dicey

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    Republicans swept the Indiana House of Representatives leaving Democrats with only 31 out of 100 seats.

    The amendment will be passed again in 2013, in all likelihood, and make it to the ballot in 2014.

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    ^^^The one in Indiana also would ban civil unions, which would make it harder to pass a vote by the people. Regardless, it would likely be NOM's final victory.

    Also of note, Referendum 74 has officially passed with a GREATER margin then Referendum 71 in 2009!

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    i seriously think that gay marriage will be legal in all 50 states within the next 4 years. you guys are underestimating the supreme court and the president just like how some of you were underestimating the public last week during the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    i seriously think that gay marriage will be legal in all 50 states within the next 4 years. you guys are underestimating the supreme court and the president just like how some of you were underestimating the public last week during the election.
    I think you are going to be disappointed.

    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    ^^^The one in Indiana also would ban civil unions, which would make it harder to pass a vote by the people. Regardless, it would likely be NOM's final victory.

    True. As happened in Arizona.

    I'm not so sure if it would be NOM's final victory. We could lose trying to repeal amendments too.

    Anyway, their "wins" are always presented in this false equivalency to our wins. An amendment doesn't change the fact that same sex marriage is already banned in those states. It just constitutionally excludes LGBT citizens from the political process. Voters usually do not fully appreciate the subtlety, and why divisive issues should not appear in the constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    ... Also of note, Referendum 74 has officially passed with a GREATER margin then Referendum 71 in 2009!
    I want to just ask the question, how is that possible?



    ----
    *In other news*

    The Supreme Court just postponed their consideration of re: marriage cases yet again to November 30.

    There must be some serious bickering going on in there. Or at least one crucial justice hasn't made up his or her mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    I think you are going to be disappointed.
    i'm willing to bet on it. it would have been a different story if obama didn't get reelected.

    after the supreme court or the president gets rid of doma, there's going to be heavy opposition and you'll even have states refusing to follow the decision. in fact, i think all of this is going to happen next year. 10 years after lawrence vs. texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    i'm willing to bet on it.
    me too

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    "True. As happened in Arizona.

    I'm not so sure if it would be NOM's final victory. We could lose trying to repeal amendments too.

    Anyway, their "wins" are always presented in this false equivalency to our wins. An amendment doesn't change the fact that same sex marriage is already banned in those states. It just constitutionally excludes LGBT citizens from the political process. Voters usually do not fully appreciate the subtlety, and why divisive issues should not appear in the constitution."

    Nate Silver's projection, which correctly predicted the results for MN, shows that such a measure would fail in Indiana if voted on even this year. 2014 may have lower turnout, but it also would benefit from increased accelerated support for same sex marriage.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...llot-measures/

    "I want to just ask the question, how is that possible?"

    See for yourself:

    http://vote.wa.gov/results/current/R..._ByCounty.html

    In addition, the margin is likely to increase even more due to the fact that the vast majority of ballots left to be counted are from supportive counties.

    "The Supreme Court just postponed their consideration of re: marriage cases yet again to November 30.

    There must be some serious bickering going on in there. Or at least one crucial justice hasn't made up his or her mind."

    I wouldn't read into it that much. The likely cause for delay was the fact that the offices were closed for the October 30th conference.

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    Nate Silver's model, just like all statistical models on this issue, is severely flawed.

    Just look at the discrepancy between his predictions between Washington/Maine and Maryland.

    Even Lax and Phillips are way off. They actually believe that Michigan is ahead of Wisconsin on this. If that's true, I'm the next Sultan of Brunei.

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    Indiana's conservatives are motivated to vote and the state's antipathy towards Democrats right now is very strong.

    I fear for the state's LGBTs in 2014. Hopefully, a prospective 2% shift will be enough. I don't see the LGBT orgs becoming terribly organized about it.

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    It's going to be a very interesting few years - that's for sure.

    And, as for the President and DOMA - as I've stated before, the President can direct his staff to ignore the statute, but he can't simply Executive Order the law, itself, away. That has to be done by Congress or, more likely, the Courts.

    And, while I love a lot of people in Indiana, they are SO back in the 19th century on this issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    It's going to be a very interesting few years - that's for sure.

    And, as for the President and DOMA - as I've stated before, the President can direct his staff to ignore the statute, but he can't simply Executive Order the law, itself, away. That has to be done by Congress or, more likely, the Courts.

    And, while I love a lot of people in Indiana, they are SO back in the 19th century on this issue.
    A president cannot ignore a statute.

    He can direct benefits within his administration, and require federal contractors to provide benefits, but cannot force federal recognition of same sex marriages by EO

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    i'm willing to bet on it. it would have been a different story if obama didn't get reelected.

    after the supreme court or the president gets rid of doma, there's going to be heavy opposition and you'll even have states refusing to follow the decision. in fact, i think all of this is going to happen next year. 10 years after lawrence vs. texas.
    I'm still not convinced it will happen that quickly - but we ALL know, I think, that if Obama hadn't been elected, it is entirely possible that a favorable and all-encompassing Supreme Court decision in our favor may possibly have never happened before any of us reach retirement age (at least). I feel confident that Romney Supreme Court appointments would have been YOUNG ultra-conversatives who would fuck up the high Court for at least the next 35 years.
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    Nervously following the Supreme Court deliberations as best I can. I have such high hopes for a little enlightenment to finally spread across the nation, but I am so scared I will be wrong on that....

    Having lived in Norway for 30 years now, I often find it amazing that this kind of thing is even an issue in this day and age...

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    I forgot this thread existed. CEP is usually where I post my updates but you guys don't deserve that place

    This is what the plate looks like now briefly:

    • Nine states and DC have equal marriage right now. They are Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, and Washington.


    Pending states are as follows:

    • Rhode Island will hold a final vote in the House on Thursday making RI the 10th US state.
    • Delaware is not far behind. We have the committee votes, so only a full Senate vote stands in the way.
    • Minnesota is just finishing budget work and will hold votes next week. Insiders think it's a go.
    • Illinois is still pending a final vote in the House. Only a few votes are needed to get to the magic number.
    • Nevada is in the process of amendment repeal. The Senate vote was a success. Now we wait for the Assembly. It must be passed again next legislature to be on the ballot by 2016.
    • New Jersey is in limbo after the governor's veto. An override vote is expected this summer.
    • California will probably get marriage back this June when the Supreme Court denies standing to the appellants.
    • Oregon will hold an amendment repeal in 2014. Oregon United for Marriage is organizing the effort.
    • Ohio might hold an amendment repeal this year. Freedom to Marry Ohio already has the necessary signatures, but the decision to submit by July 3 is a tough one.


    The most influential political event this year will be success at the Supreme Court this June. Once the federal Defense of Marriage Act is overturned, states can no longer claim that they can make civil unions functionally equal; they will need to pass marriage equality for gay couples to access federal benefits. That trump card is likely what it will take to push New Jersey, Illinois, and Hawaii. By 2014, the total number of states looks like it will be somewhere between 14 and 18.

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    Thanks for the comprehensive update JockBoy.

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    Can someone educate me on the following point please ?
    If a couple get married in Vermont, if DOMA is strucked down and gay married couples have the same federal rights anywhere, and they move to, say, Texas : what will be the difference between this couple and a heterosexual one ? What is the impact of marriage in a State that is not a federal right ?
    As in France there is only one marriage, a nation wide civil one, this problem confuses me.
    Also, if they want to divorce, how would they do without having to move back in Vermont ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Can someone educate me on the following point please ?
    If a couple get married in Vermont, if DOMA is strucked down and gay married couples have the same federal rights anywhere, and they move to, say, Texas : what will be the difference between this couple and a heterosexual one ? What is the impact of marriage in a State that is not a federal right ?
    As in France there is only one marriage, a nation wide civil one, this problem confuses me.
    Also, if they want to divorce, how would they do without having to move back in Vermont ?
    There are all sorts of thorny issues that will arise in that situation, and those are two of the big ones.

    1) The federal benefits will always be there after DOMA is overturned no matter where the couple goes, but they will lose their state marriage status in non-marriage states.

    2) If they want to divorce, they will have to travel back to Vermont. So far, attempts to divorce in non-marriage states have been unsuccsessful.

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    -In Minnesota the vote will likely not happen until next week. The legislature wants to take up the minimum wage increase first. I can assure you that they're not trying to delay it and time out the session, and MN United supports this move since we are actually poised to gain more support if we wait another week.

    -The current count in the Delaware Senate is 10 Yes, 9 No, 2 Undecided. One of the undecideds is considered a lean Yes while the other is a lean No. In the event of a tie the Lt. Governor would cast the tie-breaking vote in favor (he is supportive).

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    We can hope - it's been clear the vote is moving ever closer.

    OakPope - our Constitution reserves things not spelled out explicitly in the Federal Constitution to State's Rights.

    It's a bit confusing, but we usually get there, eventually.


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    Thanks for the replies but I would want to know more in details

    For example in court, I think there is the right for one spouse not to reply to a question asked if the answer may incriminate the other spouse. So, a gay couple married in Vermont, but in a trial in Texas, how would that unfold ? They would be married federally but not in Texas, would the spouse have to answer or not ?

    More generally, don't you think, since DOMA eventual fall, it would be somewhat justified to attack every ban on gay marriage in States ? on base of gross discrimination ?

    And what if something is required by a couple but forbidden to a not couple : for example federally they should do something but the state say non married couple are forbidden to do, what happens ? What trumps what ?

    So weird situations, when for the nation you're married but not in the State where you live...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Thanks for the replies but I would want to know more in details

    For example in court, I think there is the right for one spouse not to reply to a question asked if the answer may incriminate the other spouse. So, a gay couple married in Vermont, but in a trial in Texas, how would that unfold ? They would be married federally but not in Texas, would the spouse have to answer or not ?
    The right to refuse testimony that would incriminate a spouse is not a constitutional right, therefore non-partnership states can refuse it in state courts even if section 3 of DOMA is overturned.

    More generally, don't you think, since DOMA eventual fall, it would be somewhat justified to attack every ban on gay marriage in States ? on base of gross discrimination ?
    It will be easier I think because civil unions would not be able to access federal benefits that would suddenly appear for gay couples.

    And what if something is required by a couple but forbidden to a not couple : for example federally they should do something but the state say non married couple are forbidden to do, what happens ? What trumps what ?
    Okay. This is tricky because it's both.

    The US Constitutional mandates federal preemption, which means federal law is supreme. However, the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution also says that Congress cannot pass laws that violate certain states' rights unless those state laws conflict with the Constitution. In reality, the 10th Amendment is rarely successfully tested, but it is generally respected. For example, it would be considered unconscionable for Congress to tell the states to whom they can give driver's license, but it would be difficult or impossible to challenge such a law in court.

    So weird situations, when for the nation you're married but not in the State where you live...
    That's our federal system for you. It's a mess.

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    ^^^

    LOL

    A map of our legal status in the United States looks like a Piet Mondrian painting.

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    I forgot this thread existed. CEP is usually where I post my updates but you guys don't deserve that place

    This is what the plate looks like now briefly:

    • Nine states and DC have equal marriage right now. They are Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, and Washington.


    Pending states are as follows:

    • Rhode Island will hold a final vote in the House on Thursday making RI the 10th US state.
    • Delaware is not far behind. We have the committee votes, so only a full Senate vote stands in the way.
    • Minnesota is just finishing budget work and will hold votes next week. Insiders think it's a go.
    • Illinois is still pending a final vote in the House. Only a few votes are needed to get to the magic number.
    • Nevada is in the process of amendment repeal. The Senate vote was a success. Now we wait for the Assembly. It must be passed again next legislature to be on the ballot by 2016.
    • New Jersey is in limbo after the governor's veto. An override vote is expected this summer.
    • California will probably get marriage back this June when the Supreme Court denies standing to the appellants.
    • Oregon will hold an amendment repeal in 2014. Oregon United for Marriage is organizing the effort.
    • Ohio might hold an amendment repeal this year. Freedom to Marry Ohio already has the necessary signatures, but the decision to submit by July 3 is a tough one.


    The most influential political event this year will be success at the Supreme Court this June. Once the federal Defense of Marriage Act is overturned, states can no longer claim that they can make civil unions functionally equal; they will need to pass marriage equality for gay couples to access federal benefits. That trump card is likely what it will take to push New Jersey, Illinois, and Hawaii. By 2014, the total number of states looks like it will be somewhere between 14 and 18.
    Oops I totally forgot about New Mexico. The Santa Fe Council voted to support marriage equality under New Mexico's gender neutral marriage law. We are still waiting on Attorney General Gary King's formal opinion. New Mexico does not explicitly ban gay marriage by statute, so technically a clerk could come out an issue licenses at any time. The ACLU and NCLR have also filed suit.

    There are also pending federal lawsuits in Hawaii, Utah, and Michigan.

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    It's going to be an exciting few years, methinks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    It's going to be an exciting few years, methinks.
    The National Journal has already called it the "Rainbow Spring" since there has never been this much activity on gay relationship law before. We are at a tipping point in the western world where opinion in general teeters no to yes. Tipping points always feature rapid change just before and just after they occur.

    In Western Europe obviously, popular support for marriage equality has long been a majority, and in some countries it is over 70%. The politics is slow but all of Western Europe will have it within a year or two. We are still waiting on the British Isles, Luxembourg, and Andorra. In central Europe, Germany will probably follow in a few years. In addition, Finland is the last Scandinavian country without marriage equality, but that country too will follow soon on a citizen initiative.

    In the US, we will have to wait a bit longer to consolidate the freedom to marry in all states, but as I follow the process it does not look like we will have to wait long for a majority of states. If we get enough states on the ballot and win we could get to 25 states by 2020 on that process alone.

    Then again, who when which where are entirely unpredictable questions. Instead of "Rainbow Spring" I would rather call this moment in our history a Rainbow Singularity, because change seems instantaneous and unpredictable.

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    Looks like Rhode Island is a go.

    PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Rhode Island appears poised to become the nation's 10th state to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry after a legislative panel voted Tuesday to forward same-sex marriage legislation to the full House for a final — and largely procedural — vote.
    ....
    The first gay marriages in Rhode Island could take place Aug. 1, when the legislation would take effect. Civil unions would no longer be available to same-sex couples as of that date, though the state would continue to recognize existing civil unions. Lawmakers approved civil unions two years ago, though few couples have sought them.
    http://news.yahoo.com/ri-gay-marriag...225634833.html

    This will make a clean sweep of New England.

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    Luxembourg will likely have it this year. Same-sex marriage and adoption has already passed committee and is awaiting a vote in the full chamber.

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    Rhode Island Final House vote on the marriage equality bill. Watch live NOW:

    http://www.wpri.com/generic/news/sam...riage-coverage

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    Minnesota Senate vote on marriage equality bill

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    So proud of my home state of Minnesota!! (And Rhode Island and Delaware, too)... What great momentum the cause has now - I just hope it keeps up!

    It's Illinois next, yes? Then maybe back to California?

    I'm glad to see France move forward, even though it looks like a painful move for them. Crossing my fingers for the UK soon!

    Anyone else have any inside information?

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    Figured I'd try and provide some info since Jockboy87 sadly got fed up and left JUB.
    From what I've read so far, there likely isn't going to be a broad ruling on gay marriage bans. The court is most likely going to punt on prop 8. Gay marriage will be brought back to California but it will likely be a mess sorting the legal issues out.
    As for Section 3 of DOMA,I simply don't see any way it survives. Whether it will be struck down 5-4 or 6-3 is another matter entirely but even there,we are not likely to see a broad ruling.
    If DOMA is struck down however,pending lawsuits in NJ,HI,NV and OR will have a much stronger case to allow gay marriage,as civil unions will NOT bring full equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Figured I'd try and provide some info since Jockboy87 sadly got fed up and left JUB.
    From what I've read so far, there likely isn't going to be a broad ruling on gay marriage bans. The court is most likely going to punt on prop 8. Gay marriage will be brought back to California but it will likely be a mess sorting the legal issues out.
    As for Section 3 of DOMA,I simply don't see any way it survives. Whether it will be struck down 5-4 or 6-3 is another matter entirely but even there,we are not likely to see a broad ruling.
    If DOMA is struck down however,pending lawsuits in NJ,HI,NV and OR will have a much stronger case to allow gay marriage,as civil unions will NOT bring full equality.
    What do you mean by a "mess"? It seems that they're ready to go in California in a matter of days after the ruling. At worst, there may be a handful of clerks who will refuse to issue them if the case is dismissed on standing, but such cases will be short lived and will ultimately fail.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/06/c...-sex-marriage/

    In addition to court battles, striking down DOMA will also help in legislative battles too, since as you said, civil unions and marriage will truly not be equal. In fact, that was likely the main reason for them delaying the House vote for marriage equality in Illinois.

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    What do you mean by a "mess"? It seems that they're ready to go in California in a matter of days after the ruling. At worst, there may be a handful of clerks who will refuse to issue them if the case is dismissed on standing, but such cases will be short lived and will ultimately fail.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/06/c...-sex-marriage/

    In addition to court battles, striking down DOMA will also help in legislative battles too, since as you said, civil unions and marriage will truly not be equal. In fact, that was likely the main reason for them delaying the House vote for marriage equality in Illinois.
    Indeed..and in NJ and Hawaii,the courts ordered either marriage equality or something that would provide full rights. They don't do that already but if DOMA is struck down,the inequality will be even stronger and those civil unions will be upgraded to marriage.

    As for the mess in California,it all comes down to how they rule. If they rule there was no standing,then the federal rulings go away as well. Which means it will go back to the state courts to figure it all out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Indeed..and in NJ and Hawaii,the courts ordered either marriage equality or something that would provide full rights. They don't do that already but if DOMA is struck down,the inequality will be even stronger and those civil unions will be upgraded to marriage.

    As for the mess in California,it all comes down to how they rule. If they rule there was no standing,then the federal rulings go away as well. Which means it will go back to the state courts to figure it all out.
    The district court ruling would still stand in California and apply statewide. Olsen and Boise anticipated this as a possible outcome, so they named the state of California as a party in the suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    The district court ruling would still stand in California and apply statewide. Olsen and Boise anticipated this as a possible outcome, so they named the state of California as a party in the suit.
    I did see that. There are also other cases pending in the 9th circuit,so even IF the court makes the 9th ruling null and void,there are others in the pipeline quickly moving along,and if Section 3 of DOMA is taken out,those cases will be made even stornger for marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I did see that. There are also other cases pending in the 9th circuit,so even IF the court makes the 9th ruling null and void,there are others in the pipeline quickly moving along,and if Section 3 of DOMA is taken out,those cases will be made even stornger for marriage equality.
    It's always been a given that the 9th ruling would be void if it's found they don't have standing. The district court ruling would stand though, resulting in Brown and Harris ordering county clerks to begin issuing marriage licenses again. When the Cali state supreme court was hear the standing issue, one judge commented on this. He said that what Olsen and Boise did was a little sneaky, but completely legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    It's always been a given that the 9th ruling would be void if it's found they don't have standing. The district court ruling would stand though, resulting in Brown and Harris ordering county clerks to begin issuing marriage licenses again. When the Cali state supreme court was hear the standing issue, one judge commented on this. He said that what Olsen and Boise did was a little sneaky, but completely legal.
    The thorny issue would be then if a Republican AG came in,would he or she order them to stop? Dismissing it on standing will make it even messier.
    Granted,I'd rather have that then a ruling upholding Prop H8. And as mentioned with the other 9th circuit cases pending,if Section 3 of DOMA is struck down,the seperate and unequalness of civil unions in HI and NV will be made as plain as day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The thorny issue would be then if a Republican AG came in,would he or she order them to stop? Dismissing it on standing will make it even messier.
    Granted,I'd rather have that then a ruling upholding Prop H8. And as mentioned with the other 9th circuit cases pending,if Section 3 of DOMA is struck down,the seperate and unequalness of civil unions in HI and NV will be made as plain as day.
    Considering how high polling for it is in California, any Attorney General running on such a platform would make themselves very unelectable. The court could issue a detailed decision regarding standing though, saying that because the state was named as a party that the ruling is to apply statewide (in fact I think that's what they will do). Regardless, I fully expect in 2014 a formal repeal of Prop 8 will be on the ballot and it will succeed.

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    Indeed..as for others,I think it will be smarther to wait until 2016 for them such as in Ohio and Michigian when voter turn out will be higher.

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    What good news from SCOTUS - striking down DOMA's Section 3 and restoring marriage to California! 13 states and counting!

    But where does the fight go from here? Is the best course of action to mount an attack on DOMA's Section 2, or simply keep trying to win individual states over? I keep hoping that Florida will be moving towards marriage, since that's where I have family, but I think that will be a LONG time coming, sadly....

    Well, Illinois, Oregon or Colorado next? Or maybe New Jersey or Michigan?

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    Well, Illinois, Oregon or Colorado next? Or maybe New Jersey or Michigan?


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    God I am so happy to hear about DOMA's section 3 getting taken down, We are another step closer I'm just waiting for bigger cases to go through the supreme court and get us all equal rights.

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    Bump!!

    Just thought about the wonderful progress equal marriage has made this past year, and who would have thought 19 states would be on board by now?? I'm just wondering where the road goes next - do we still fight for individual states (and which states are next up)? Or do we go for broke and get a national ruling? After all, about 45% of the US population now lives in equality states...

    Seeing as how I have family in Florida, I'm really hoping that they get their act together soon! But methinks perhaps Michigan, Colorado and Nevada are first up? Anyone have any grass roots feedback for an interested ex-pat here?

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