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    Re: Gay Marriage Updates By State

    Now, from the State of Scotland in the USA - The Presbyterian Church Votes to Allow Gay Marriage

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ushpmg00000051

    In a monumental move, the nation's largest Presbyterian denomination voted Thursday to change its definition of marriage and allow its pastors to officiate same-sex ceremonies in states where gay marriage is legal.

    By a vote of 429-175, leaders of the 1.76 million-member Presbyterian Church (USA) voted during the biennial General Assembly in Detroit to change the denomination's Book of Order to describe marriage as being between "two people."

    The decision opens a path toward gay marriage across the denomination's 10,000 churches.


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    Re: Gay Marriage Updates By State

    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    Now, from the State of Scotland in the USA - The Presbyterian Church Votes to Allow Gay Marriage

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ushpmg00000051

    In a monumental move, the nation's largest Presbyterian denomination voted Thursday to change its definition of marriage and allow its pastors to officiate same-sex ceremonies in states where gay marriage is legal.

    By a vote of 429-175, leaders of the 1.76 million-member Presbyterian Church (USA) voted during the biennial General Assembly in Detroit to change the denomination's Book of Order to describe marriage as being between "two people."

    The decision opens a path toward gay marriage across the denomination's 10,000 churches.
    You forgot to put the quote in a quote box.....


    BTW, the decision isn't final until every one of the denomination's local presbyteries votes on it -- and that's not a quick process at all.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    You forgot to put the quote in a quote box.....


    BTW, the decision isn't final until every one of the denomination's local presbyteries votes on it -- and that's not a quick process at all.
    Actually the decision to allow marriages begins immediately, but the constitutional one requires ratification. For openly gay clergy it took about one year was all.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Updates By State

    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Actually the decision to allow marriages begins immediately, but the constitutional one requires ratification. For openly gay clergy it took about one year was all.
    To the contrary:

    A majority of the church's 172 regional bodies, called Presbyteries, must now approve the decision before it's official, a process that can take up to a year.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Gay Marriage Updates By State

    At least it's a PRO-Active step, not a RE-Active one, and it's an acknowledgement of who we are as a species, as gifted by God, in toto.
    IMHO.

    p.s. Thanks for the quote thing. I don't often quote source material, forgot to even put Quotes " " around it.


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    Re: Gay Marriage Updates By State

    Some updates on where we are as the situation in the states changes rapidly, i.e. this information is out of date week to week.

    Decisions are pending in Kentucky, Colorado, as well as the US Courts of Appeals for the 4th and 10th Circuits, and potentially any state which has cases that are fully briefed.

    Hearings in Louisiana and Florida are coming up, Robicheaux v. George on June 25, and the Florida cases on July 2 and 7.

    The US Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit will hear several cases on August 6, and the 9th will schedule oral arguments in two cases for September in the next week or so.

    In the meantime, several cases in lower court have slowed or stopped, seemingly in response to the appeals courts that have jurisdiction over them. This phenomenon will probably continue as one of the appeals cases gets closer to the Supreme Court.
    Last edited by Alnitak; June 20th, 2014 at 04:29 AM.

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    Have we decided which case will likely reach the Supreme Court first? I remember Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Utah being thrown around as possibilities some months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Have we decided which case will likely reach the Supreme Court first? I remember Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Utah being thrown around as possibilities some months ago.
    The foremost case is Bostic v. Rainey, the one originating in Virginia and now at the US Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit. A decision should be reached within the next few weeks. I expect the Attorney General Mark Herring to appeal immediately to the Supreme Court. It would be quite a favor because there is no telling how long the anti-gay clerks in the case would drag out their standing issue and the en banc process. The next two cases that might get there are the ones on appeal to the 10th Circuit, also awaiting decisions but the 10th Circuit takes the longest out of all appeals courts to get to a decision, over four months actually. The 4th takes just over two months on average, and Bostic is about half way. I am guessing by late July, and an appeal will be primed for the October session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    To the contrary:
    Yes for the CONSTITUTIONAL question.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Some updates on where we are as the situation in the states changes rapidly, i.e. this information is out of date week to week.

    Decisions are pending in Kentucky, Colorado, as well as the US Courts of Appeals for the 4th and 10th Circuits, and potentially any state which has cases that are fully briefed.

    Hearings in Louisiana and Florida are coming up, Robicheaux v. George on June 25, and the Florida cases on July 2 and 7.

    The US Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit will hear several cases on August 6, and the 9th will schedule oral arguments in two cases for September in the next week or so.

    In the meantime, several cases in lower court have slowed or stopped, seemingly in response to the appeals courts that have jurisdiction over them. This phenomenon will probably continue as one of the appeals cases gets closer to the Supreme Court.
    Indiana will also be coming at anytime.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Updates By State

    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post



    Indiana will also be coming at anytime.
    EDIT: Indeed there was a 5/2 hearing for Baskin v. Bogan that slipped under my nose. Drat!

    http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/dow...502&z=39b67bb4

    I can scarcely believe Judge Young held an oral argument hearing just seven weeks after filing, but that was several weeks ago already. Still, this could be the fastest case yet!
    Last edited by Alnitak; June 20th, 2014 at 06:22 AM.

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    ^^^Indiana will be interesting to see if a stay is issued since it would only be striking down a statute ban as opposed to a constitutional amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Yes for the CONSTITUTIONAL question.
    What constitutional question? They're a church, and that's how they do it: the General Assembly proposes, and the Presbyteries have to approve it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    What constitutional question? They're a church, and that's how they do it: the General Assembly proposes, and the Presbyteries have to approve it.
    The main question requires changing the constitution, which will be voted on by each district. However, the other vote allows for marriages to begin immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    The main question requires changing the constitution, which will be voted on by each district. However, the other vote allows for marriages to begin immediately.
    That's not what the article said. Where are you getting this?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Gay Marriage Updates By State

    Meanwhile, back at the FedGov Court level, a tribunal of Appellate Judges in Denver upheld the ban on Utah's SS-Marriage ban - their AG promises to appeal to the 9 wise old men & women or perhaps the FULL 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.


    And, a Federal Judge in Indiana struck down their SS-Marriage ban - the judge did NOT immediately stay the judgement pending appeal.
    County Clerks in many of the counties (I don't know ratio) have already started issuing licenses.


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