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    Gay Marriage Updates By State

    New Jersey: Gay rights group suspends political funding


    http://www.njherald.com/story/news/0...02-08T18-17-03


    R.I. Gov Candidates to Back Gay Marriage

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N..._Gay_Marriage/

    Gay marriage challenge can't go on DC ballot

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lo...-83837707.html


    Poll: Iowans Not Concerned With Marriage

    A survey by the Des Moines Register found that Iowa residents would much rather ban texting while driving than gay marriage in the Midwestern state.
    The Register found that regulation of distracted driving was a high priority for 72% of respondents while only 36% thought that regulating marriage should be an immediate focus of lawmakers.


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    Go Iowa!

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    So, not knowing much about each state's position on this, I checked....

    As I understand it....

    States allowing gay marriage: 5
    Iowa, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire (and also pending in District of Columbia)

    States allowing civil unions, domestic partnerships, or other benefits: 10
    California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Maryland, Maine, Hawaii

    States with no legislation or no amendments banning gay marriage: 3
    New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island

    States with statutes or amendments banning gay marriage: 32
    Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Delaware

    It would be interesting to know if any efforts are underway to pass anything in all these states - even a limited form of union or partnership would be better than the non-existent rights they have at the moment.

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    Iowa lawmakers fail in effort on gay marriage ban

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-ia-xgr-gaymarriage-i,0,7362051.story

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    ^^^The actual number of states with bans is 41. New York, Rhode Island, New Mexico, and New Jersey all do not have statute or constitutional bans on same sex marriage.

    Also, efforts for marriage equality are very much underway in New York. With Cuamo announcing candidacy for governor in March (he is blowing away everyone at the polls) and the census results to come in (the Dems are expected to pick up 10 seats in the senate), it will likely happen next year.

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    CA Religious Protections Bill Assailed As Veiled Gay Marriage Bid

    http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx...=1&Category=26

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    ^^^R.T. Rybeck will likely be the next governor of Minnesota. He is a supporter of marriage equality. Coupled with the fact that our House and Senate have 68% and 64% Democratic majorities and there is a very good chance of passing marriage equality when he enters office.

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    The NYS Senate deep-sixed the legalization this session.
    The governor tried hard. Unfortunately, as they have done with looking in the mirror and making the hard budgetary decisions - NOT - his own party members are jumping ship on the subject at the moment.

    It's incredible - they refuse to balance the budget, then point the finger of blame at Patterson - and the State Unions spend a not so small fortune telling us all how wonderful and fully needed/underappreciated they are, instead of recognizing the realities of our current economy and biting the fucking bullet.

    They all need to have their backsides filled up with "reality check" stimulating lubricant, so maybe the shit that's backed all the way up to between their fucking ears can finally get cleaned out.

    Other than that, life is a dream here in the Empire State.


    And I know, if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest . . .

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    Four Iowa Democratic Senators Join Republicans to Push for Gay Marriage Ban

    Dennis Black: http://www.senate.iowa.gov/black/contact.htm
    Keith Kreiman: http://www.senate.iowa.gov/kreiman/contact.htm
    Rich Olive: http://www.senate.iowa.gov/olive/contact.htm
    Joe Seng: http://www.senate.iowa.gov/seng/contact.htm

    But with last week marking the first self-imposed legislative “funnel week” deadline for bills to clear committee to stay eligible for consideration this year, the marriage amendment is officially dead, at least in this form.

    But with last week marking the first self-imposed legislative “funnel week” deadline for bills to clear committee to stay eligible for consideration this year, the marriage amendment is officially dead, at least in this form.
    http://iowaindependent.com/27808/fou...n-gay-marriage


    NH House voting on gay marriage repeal measures

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nat...33031&srvc=rss


    Same Sex Marriage Supporters go Door to Door in Fresno, CA

    http://www.cbs47.tv/news/local/story...g.cspx?rss=153

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    What's Your Instinct: North Charleston's Uncomfortable Grand Marshal
    Mayor Summey accepted the honor on account that he represents the entire city, not just the straights (which is admirable), but ruined the sentiment when he expanded on the occasion.
    “This is not in any way saying that I am supportive of their lifestyle,” the mayor remarked when further explaining his decision to marshal in the city’s gays.
    http://instinctmagazine.com/blog/wha...-grand-marshal

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    Will Texas' first gay divorce open the state to gay marriage?
    A Texas judge's decision to grant a divorce to a gay couple could open the door to same-sex marriages in the state.
    http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=11999565


    - Imagine the possibility that texas could have gay marriage before NY and CA.

    NH Lawmakers reject gay marriage repeal

    The House voted by a wide margin, 201-135, against a constitutional amendment that defined marriage as between one man and one woman. It later defeated a proposed repeal of the state's new marriage, 210-109.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...arriage+repeal

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    Poll: Texans support gay relationship recognition


    Sixty-three percent of respondents in a new poll of Texas voters think same-sex couples deserve either marriage rights or partnership rights, a finding that’s causing political observers to rethink what’s possible in the state, according to the Dallas Voice

    http://www.gaypolitics.com/2010/02/1...p-recognition/

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    Fresh Litigation Route For NY Gay Marriage

    For example, studies show that a same-sex unmarried couple can end up paying $450,000 more over their lifetimes than an opposite-sex married couple due to differential taxation, estate planning treatment, and, of course, insurance costs
    http://www.gaycitynews.com/articles/...4105260543.txt

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    California’s Gay-Marriage Breakdown

    The great recession may be to blame for stirring up the culture wars: according to a study in the winter issue of the American Sociological Review, resistance to gay marriage deepens significantly during hard times. In conservative parts of the 30 states that have blocked same-sex unions (where ballot measures tend to be won or lost), researchers found that each 10 percent drop in homeownership led to a 5 percent increase in support for a ban.


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    ^^^I heard about MN. So happy for my state! While nothing will be voted on right now, the next likely governor is a supporter of marriage equality. It will pass no problem in the legislature, where the Democrats have 65% and 69% majorities.

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    Are you sure they'll be able to sustain those majorities with the upcoming elections? I'd be a bit worrisome if it gets under 60% - we saw in New Jersey how a craven few can totally ruin things.
    The Minnesota Legislature is MUCH bigger then the one in New Jersey. The House has 134 members and the Senate has 67. While the Republicans are expected to gain a few seats in both after the Census redistricting, it will not drop below 60%.

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    Supreme Court will not stop D.C. marriage law from taking effect


    http://gay.americablog.com/2010/03/s...-marriage.html

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    ^^^That is good news for Perry v Schwarzenegger, since he's thought to be a wild card.

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    PA: Senate votes down marriage amendment bill

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    The Pennsylvania Senate Judiciary Committee today voted against legislation to amend the state constitution to ban same sex marriage. The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania hailed the vote as a victory for the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community in the commonwealth.

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    Gay Hawaiian Rep Talks Civil Unions

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N..._Civil_Unions/

    Oshiro reportedly does not typically talk about his sexual orientation, but he said he felt it was important due to the 31-20 vote, which passed the bill.

    "It was really heartwarming to me, to know that at the end of the day people are willing to do what they need to do, do what they came here to do, and not just worry about keeping their jobs," he said in the report.

    Oshiro will face Gary Okino, a conservative Honolulu city council member, when he runs for reelection in the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    That's going to change in Rhode Island.

    I kind of hope Lincoln Chafee gets into the governor's office as an Independent - I believe it could make him the first non-Democratic governor to sign a gay marriage bill into law.

    Also, Tim Pawlenty is retiring in Minnesota, but I have no idea what might happen to that seat.
    The governor of Connecticut, Jodi Rell, is a Republican. She supported Civil Unions , but was against Same Sex Marriage. The Ct Supreme Court upheld same sex couples right to marry in 2008 and in 2009 Rell signed the genderless marriage bill guaranteeing marriage equality for everyone. Later this year, October I think, all civil unions will also automatically become legal marriages. I also believe that same sex marriages performed in other states will be recognized if the couples move to Ct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    scream4ever, what happened to Rybak? He's now out of the race. O_o

    Do you think Dayton will win the DFL nomination?
    Rybak is out, but the good news is that Eamer won the Republican nomination. He's generally seen as more extreme and less likely to win. Polls show that Dayton is more likely to win against him then Kelliher, so he's got my vote at the primaries.

    At the DFL convention held in Duluth all candidates supported same sex marriage!

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    Couples Sue To Challenge Minn. Gay Marriage Ban

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    Gay Marriage Opponents Inch Closer to Death




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    CA Religious Protections Bill Assailed As Veiled Gay Marriage Bid

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    This one continues to amaze me -- it's not often someone comes and flat-out says they want the government to enshrine a religious tradition!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Okay, I normally really value your insights, yada yada, but I have to ask:

    you HAVE been living in the United States, right!?
    Yes, and following the news and everything -- but I can't even recall the last time I heard someone plainly say they want religious marriage to be the only marriage there is, and don't want any such thing as civil marriage!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Well that's different. On the question of trying to enshrine religious institutions, I've seen that a few times.
    No kidding.

    I could be amused by the looks of consternation when I tell fellow Christians that they're going against what Jesus taught, by that agenda, if it wasn't so tragic.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Supreme Court Refuses to Keep Anti-Gay Marriage Petitioner IDs Private

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    Not a new poll but a new article from a conservative area of California

    Poll: More Americans accepting of gay marriage
    http://www.sbsun.com/ci_15380533?source=rss

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    Gay couple challenges Wyoming's marriage law

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    Do all of those states have the highest population of Mormon?

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    If this advances, SCOTUS will have the option of picking up the Ninth Circuit Prop 8 case and bundling them. I really think that's what this is about: get several cases advancing in several circuits, and SCOTUS will almost have to pick it up -- especially if the circuits disagree.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    And besides, what's the difference between a constitutional amendment against marriage equality and a statute? Either way, there's no marriage equality.
    Are you kidding? There's a huge difference. A statute could be declared unconstitutional by the courts. An amendment cannot since it is constitutional by definition.

    Regardless, I don't think an amendment is in the cards. The Repubs will not pick up enough seats in Congress to make that a possibility before public opinion changes enough to make it impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Are you being intentionally dense? We're talking about the after-effect of a Federal court challenge and you're concerned with what might happen in a state court???
    oh wait, were you talking about a state Constitutional amendment?

    If so my bad, I was thinking you were talking about the federal one.

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    Busy day in California:

    The California Legislature passed a resolution calling on the federal Food and Drug Administration to overturn its policy banning healthy gay and bisexual men from donating blood! Not only is our state opposing discrimination, it is also standing up for the lives that can be saved.

    http://www.eqca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&b=5117327

    Other Progress Today:

    -The Unemployment Benefits Equality bill passed the legislature and is on its way to the Governor. It ensures that same-sex couples who are about to register as domestic partners get access to the same unemployment benefits as opposite-sex partners: http://bit.ly/bb2m8H

    -The Civil Marriage Religious Freedom Act passed the legislature but needs a second vote from each house, due to potential conflicts with another bill. This bill clarifies that churches are not required to solemnize marriages that go against their faith. It takes away our opponents' argument that allowing same-sex couples to wed would harm religious freedom: http://bit.ly/ao168v

    -The LGBT Prisoner Safety Act, which would require sexual orientation and gender identity to be considered in prison housing and classification decisions, passed the Senate and goes back to the Assembly now for one more vote: http://bit.ly/dx4AkA

    -The Hate Crimes Protection Act, which would prevent anyone from forcing you to sign contracts waiving your rights under California's hate crimes laws, passed the Senate and goes back to the Assembly now for one more vote: http://bit.ly/aXhsHC

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    As far as I know, California is the only state with a voter constitutional amendment initiative. So no it would not necessarily be the same year.
    We can do it in Oregon. It's really a good way to mess up a state constitution, when you can add to it by a mere majority vote.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    That's a huge negative of having so many states. The movement is so fractured because there are just way too many states to do something for most people.
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    Kruger's challenger dropped out due to a lack of signatures.

    Ramos may be underfunded, but he's getting lots of endorsements (recently 2 from huge unions) and Diaz is finding himself under increasing controversy, and not just for gay marriage (he also voiced support for a bill that would fire over a thousand teachers from the Brox area).

    Stachowski has also been under fire for holding up approval of the state budget.

    Also, there is a decent chance the New York State Senate will actually gain Democratic seats this election (from what I understand, it's one of the only states to NOT be affected by the Tea Party), most likely one in Long Island and one in Queens.

    If enough gay rights supporters get out and vote in the primaries in less then 3 weeks, there is actually a good chance of outseating all 3 of them, since very few people vote in primary elections of any kind.

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    Also, don't forget that if the gap narrows, it will up the chances of Republican support, the risk of pledging support to a bill that "won't pass" will go down. Jim Alessi (Republican-Rochester) was long considered a likely yes vote, but voted no for that reason (and he seemed like he genuinly wanted to vote yes).

    Addabbo will likely flip to yes out of fear of facing a similar fate of his fellow Queen senators (assumingly). Auberdine was a freshman senator in a Republican (though increasingly Democratic) lean area, so now that he has his feet in the ground he will likely feel more comfortable with taking risks.

    In 2008 Foley won the election by 21,000 votes (don't know the % though). Hopefully Cuamo's coattails will help him out a bit (he's expected to win by at least 60%).

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    ^
    interesting....thank you..

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    Geez, why the change of heart Razor?

    "I don't buy it. There's no difference between a yes vote for a passing bill and a yes vote for a failing bill."

    Did you read what Alesi said after the vote?

    Yes, there is a huge difference, because if you vote yes to it and it doesn't pass it was for nothing (New York politics work like that apparently)

    "A yes vote is the same either way. Either the constituents are going to like it or they aren't. I think, if anything, it would piss them off more if Alesi is the deciding vote and it passes if his district doesn't want it to pass."

    He represents the Rochester area. Not super conservative, so it likely wouldn't be too risky.

    "Monserrate was a criminal and Onorato was a really old fuck who had to retire, so there's no recourse there. Addabbo can do whatever the fug he wants. His district is just too conservative."

    But Queens is becoming increasingly liberal too. All of New York is actually.

    "The only sign of hope would be to see Shirley Huntley's ass kicked to the curb. That would really put Addabbo on warning.

    I really doubt it, though. These dipshit religio-tards will continue voting for conservadems and voting against their own interests. We've seen the cycle of perpetuating misery in so many other places in this country. People continually vote for these politicians who are drunk on religion - just like them - only to see those very politicians leave their districts in ruin with awful, corrupt, self-serving policies."

    You may be surprised come September 15. Charlie Ramos has gained MAJOR union support while Diaz continues to attract growing criticism. Lynn Nues and Tim Kennedy are also gaining ground as well.

    "Bullshit. Foley was a freshman too and had no problem. Aubertine has taken a firm "no" stance. A lot of people put him as a maybe, but as it turns out, he pledged a no-vote all along. I don't know what the fuck Tom Duane was smoking."

    Do you have a source for Aubertine? I always heard he and Addabbo were undecided/leaned yes until the end. Also, Foley's district is likely more liberal then Aubertine's, and don't forget that Aubertine represents much of the same area as Scozzfava did as well.

    "Cuomo's coattails? Please. Cuomo is a lock - nobody's going to be galvanized to go out and vote for him. Foley won comfortably, but it's a fairly Rebpulican district, and Foley really seemed to ride the Obama vote just like the other Dems in '08."

    Okay, let me rephrase that: The Republican party is very unpopular right now in New York, so that will benefit Senate elections.

    "They are fucked in NY unless they get a net gain of 4 pro-equality Senators. It's possible, but unlikely. Again, it comes down to the primaries. If we see Stachowski, Huntley, and Diaz all hold onto their seats, it's as good as done."

    It's more likely then you think since not many people vote in the primaries, so they can be very easy to sway. Also, Padavan is out for sure.

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    Why would a guy want to marry another guy? Sorry, but I still don't get it.

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    Guys,
    I see the biggest stumbling block in New York as competing priorities at the moment. BUDGET, State Workers resolve to prohibit any reductions in staff because they can refuse until 2011 - our finances falling into the sinkhole be damned.

    As to Alessi - a Republican living in a working class town bordering the more Republican parts of Monroe County, of which Rochester is a part. (Louis Slaughter lives in my town, but the redistricting from 2000 census put us in the Corning US Rep district, even though we live North of Louise!)

    The voters are fed up with the grid lock and immobility of the state legislature. People may not like what our current governor is/has done, but he's been calling a spade a spade, and been trying to help solve the fiscal crisis. Downstate has controlled the purse strings - and, yes, they are Dems, for far too long - relying on the cash cow that is WAS Wall Street to fund all of the social welfare programs. That cow was slaughtered and cooked up into Sloppy Joes when the Wall and the Banks barfed up on the world.

    THESE are the issues that are going to get people in or out of office. I don't think Alessi has much to worry about. He doesn't make too many waves, and he tries to support his district. Rochester has a fairly vibrant and well accepted Gay Community. I don't believe Alessi's district extends to the Park Avenue area of the City, but I think, despite the more moderate slant on this side of town, people vote intelligently. I think Gay Marriage has fairly wide spread support in our area.

    Gay Marriage just may be a sacrificial lamb to garner support for budgetary matters. Until that gets back on track, it may not be "important enough" (to the Legislature) to warrant any kind of heated debate.

    A yes vote is the same either way. Either the constituents are going to like it or they aren't. I think, if anything, it would piss them off more if Alesi is the deciding vote and it passes if his district doesn't want it to pass.
    As I said, I don't think this would be a killer issue for Alessi.


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    ^
    I'm curious to see what will happen in NM (post 82)

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    Guys,
    I see the biggest stumbling block in New York as competing priorities at the moment. BUDGET, State Workers resolve to prohibit any reductions in staff because they can refuse until 2011 - our finances falling into the sinkhole be damned.
    The budget is not the problem. The issue was voted on recently. The problem is cowardly Democratic senators who caved and decided not to support it because they determined there were not enough votes and wanted to be on the winning side.

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    Too add a few words:

    -As I said, primary elections are easier ways to make a difference, since voter turnout is much less then that of the general election. Either way, the big factor will be removing Diaz. His removal may result in other Democrats changing their votes.

    -Addabbo recieving that many more emails from those opposed is not unusual (even for areas more liberal then Queens) since people are more likely to take the time to write when they are opposed to something, as opposed to being indifferent/in favor of.

    -The Texas case may not be dead yet. The state appeals court made the latest ruling, and the plaintiffs have not said whether they will appeal to the state Supreme Court.

    -I think the New Mexico case may result in the state recognizing (but not performing) same sex marriages, similar to New York, Maryland, and (to a smaller extent) Rhode Island.

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    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...Sr_Challenger/

    This is big, considering the endorsement is coming from the largest Spanish speaking newspaper in New York.

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