are they really hating the name 'Christina Aguilera' on the radio? smh
are they really hating the name 'Christina Aguilera' on the radio? smh
and its no secret that this bitch hates xtina smh
wow at the argument on the last few pages
its nice of penayforay giving facts like the 'britney clearchannel dispute' as to oppose of just arguing based on personal opinion and projecting it as a general public's opinion
Before penayforay makes more accounts to message me (get a life honey), let me make my thoughts on Lotus & Christina clear.
Lotus was supposed to signify Christina's return to prominence, which is why she collaborated with some of the biggest pop-hit making producers on the album (Max Martin, Shellback, to name a few) and also with her fellow Voice judges, Blake Shelton & Cee Lo Green. But the album had a rocky start of only < 73,000 in its first week, despite a promotion performance she did on The Voice for the album alongside Cee Lo. And despite followup performances on TV on both the Voice, and other shows, the album and its singles tanked. At the end of January, 2013, the album has sold less than 200k in the US, and the singles have sold a combined less than 1 million in the US. Worldwide, this album marked some of the lowest sales figures Christina has ever posted.
So no matter how big of a fan you are, you cannot deny that Lotus wasn't exactly a comeback, because it was basically a non-event. Christina commands a massive and somewhat protective/delusional fan base (some of which you can evidence here), but it was probably wrong of her fans to expect big things from Lotus given her history with Bionic. Say all you want about it being 'ahead of its time' or whatever but album sales being what they are nowadays, that only tells half the story. It's better to look at how she's fared on the singles charts because her fans probably should have seen all this coming and tempered their expectations accordingly.
So first let's look at the facts.
- Christina has had three solo #1's on the Billboard Hot 100
- Her fourth was "Lady Marmalade" on which she's featured alongside other artists
- Her fifth was "Moves Like Jagger," where is a featured artist on a Maroon 5 song.
- Since 2002, she's only had three singles land in the top 10 (2002's "Beautiful," 2006's "Ain't No Other Man" and 2008's "Keeps Gettin' Better")
- Her best showing in recent years was "Not Myself Tonight," which made it to #23.
- Lotus' first single, "Your Body," peaked at #34, and eight weeks after it was released, it tanked at #84.
These are just facts.
Christina failed to replicate the chart success of pop stars like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, & Rihanna with Lotus. There are plenty of theories & prevailing thoughts (whether real or imagined) that she's not as likable, does not work overtime to channel the same outsider spirit (and therefore isn't as relatable), has radio against her (which makes no sense as the singles tanked all over the world, not just in the US) or simply hasn't been as smart with her choices of singles to release.
The truth of the matter lies in her lack of singles success, because it suggests that Christina is no longer a pop star like Rihanna or Katy Perry; she's a niche artist like Adele. Which is why I pointed out that Christina needs to put out albums like the widely acclaimed, Grammy winning Back to Basics, and not something like Lotus.
In her best moments (and I wish there were more of them on Lotus), she can out-sing just about anybody, and sings circles around GaGa, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, etc. She still releases interesting stuff, and I do love "Just a Fool" and think there are plenty of equally worthy follow-ups on Lotus, like "Blank Page" or "Best of Me".
She has a loyal fanbase, one that has thinned in recent years, but remains nonetheless. She can still work with anyone she pleases and make the kinds of albums she wants. But this doesn't mean she will be successful in doing so, as evidenced by Bionic and Lotus. As far as niche artists go, Christina's got it pretty good as evidenced by the success of Back to Basics, which focuses on the 20's and 30's jazzy style of music which she did justice.
But I really think that it's time for her to stop trying to compete with her contemporaries by releasing songs like "Your Body" and embrace the uniqueness of her situation.
As far as I'm concerned, everything about Lotus went wrong. It was inevitable that it would fail the minute she put out "Your Body". In my opinion, she never needed a comeback. She was fine exactly where she was and should have just put out music that helps her shine as a niche artist after the one misstep of Bionic. Her voice is unique and lends itself very well to such music, similar to how Adele can push ballads to the top of the charts everywhere around the world. But her voice & image doesn't fare well against her other contemporaries when she sings mainstream pop.
In good news I'm glad to have blocked penayforay for this nonsense to stop. I'm also glad camp Christina seems to have given up on Lotus. Hopefully her next album (if any) takes her back to what she's good at as opposed to trying to be good at whatever everyone else is good at.
I mean...I've already got into grad school and I'm just waiting to finish undergrad.
I have plenty of time to burn.
Last edited by penayforay; February 15th, 2013 at 03:55 PM.
jesus christ. I just skimmed that. Literally does not in any way address my issue with radio.
lol BreakTheIce telling me to get a life. I wonder how long that wall of text took him.
its actually very interesting that BreakTheIce thinks RCA is done with Lotus when they literally just sent Just A Fool to Adult Contemporary radios in the US a few days ago.
But obviously he wouldnt know that because his arguments are based on his feelings and personal opinions.
Last edited by penayforay; February 15th, 2013 at 04:04 PM.
lol she bought the Osbournes place for $11.5 million and sold it for $13.5 Million.
I think its really amazing that she singlehandedly earned all that money through her own hard work and talent to buy that mansion in the first place. Kelly Osbourne stays pressed with her shitty low paying fashion police job.
pretty well summarized, BreakTheIce. I couldn't agree with you more.
so, i gave "lotus" a spin. i quite like aguilera, eventhough i think shes always been a little hit-or-miss.
well, her latest effort didnt impress me. basically, "just a fool" is the only song i like, and it sounds like it belongs on a different album.
"lotus" sounds generic, a little desperate, and kinda rihannabe.
i think aguileras voice sounds best against a more organic backdrop, as in "stripped" and "back to basic". "bionic" was slick, but at least it was also interesting and daring and energetic. "lotus" just sounds unflattering and boring to me.
after hearing "just a fool", im kinda hoping her next album is gonna be country/blues/folk-pop. i think that would be an interesting direction for her to explore.
luv xtina. really wished lotus did much better.
I hate to say it but just a fool was a bad choice as far as singles.army of me would've been better.just a fool should've been a fourth single to close out the album.her problem is she needs to reinvent herself instead of playing the same game.the reason why stripped and back to the basics did well was cause she brought new vibes to both.
what am i good at? haha!
just found this little gem.
oh radio politics. not to rehash a old topic but
1. blocking is a two way street
2. i wonder how many people knew what clearchannel was before I mentioned it.
Its also highly suspicious how Ryan Seapressed refused to add Just a Fool to his Hot Adult Contemporary Radio show despite JAF's charting position on HAC radio charts. just saying.
in other news, Xtina will be in the FTM video coming out in two weeks.
Last edited by penayforay; February 25th, 2013 at 03:03 PM.
I thought Christina had the flu during her People's Choice performance, but it turns out she didn't, so I don't know why she was out of tune the first 45 seconds of the performance, and then in various parts of the bridge following through as well. Kelly's most recent televised performance was that on the Grammys where she got a standing ovation from everyone in the room, and was considered by many as one of the vocal highlights of the evening.
I feel like Christina has a slightly broader range, but is more limited to what she can sing to make her voice shine through because I feel as if her voice does best in the mid range (like on tracks like Beautiful), not her lower or upper register. Her higher chest notes seemed to be forced sometimes. You can easily witness this by watching her (in the past) attempting to hit the famous F5 note in "I Turn To You" live. She usually changes the note in her live appearances
Kelly I feel has less of a range than Christina but is more versatile in what she can sing. Although like Christina Kelly has a head voice, it often seems disconnected from her chest voice. Christina I feel uses the head voice better, but Kelly I feel does a better job from going through the lower ends of her register to her soaring chest voice.
Comes down to personal preference really, but judging them as vocalists I feel lately Kelly is doing a better job than Christina.
Edit -> If you want to compare them both hitting an F5 here's Kelly's version of it
At around 8:30
Last edited by BreakTheIce; February 26th, 2013 at 01:26 AM.
Here for Christina's F5
just posted on her Facebook.
maybe we'll finally get a JAF video
Mr. Worldwide and Legendtina Aguilera! Feel This Moment, daleee!
The video is nothing extraordinary but at least we get to see her and she looks HOT!
innocentbychoice, you beat me to it.
i kind of wish they released it on a monday tho seeing as how youtube streams now count for bb hot 100...that way it would have gotten a full week of streams counted
also she's supposedly performing this with pitbull on the kids choice awards...maybe on Dancing with the stars
also she's doing a Diana Ross tribute with Jennifer Hudson sometime in the future
so many views for Your Body these past few days! dayum!
Love Christina Aguilera.
This may be one of the really rare moments where Mickey Mouse club graduates Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, and Justin Timberlake are all in the Hot 100 top 10.
#10 - Feel This Moment
#9 - Scream and Shout
#4 - Suit & Tie
As for Feel This Moment, I don't really like any of Pitbull's lyrics and don't like the "Take on Me" melody interpolated in it either. I really wish they'd given Christina more lines in that song. She says the same lines over and over. Her voice is so much better than his (as in she can actually sing).
Last edited by BreakTheIce; March 21st, 2013 at 09:21 AM.
I was initially shocked but I got over it...I mean it's not like she was actually trying so I saw it coming. What still amazes me is that it seems like she really doesn't give a crap...It's really sad and I know a lot of fans are leaving the boat, I'm staying but if she keeps sabotaging her music career like this (I know she's doing preeetty good in other areas of the entertainment business) I don't how long she'll keep her A-List status.
And yeah Kid Choice Awards tonight and the Diana Ross tribute in April...that's all we have to look forward to right now.
As far as Christina's music goes...I think she's been on "vacation" for a while.
Still love her though. She's given me some good tunes over the years.
'Your Body' STILL slays me.
CHRISTINA AGUILERA SUPPORTS SHAKIRA ON ‘THE VOICE,’ BUT WON’T SUPPORT ‘LOTUS’ WITH A TOUR
I don't understand why she just gives up like this, same thing with Bionic. Smh.Christina Aguilera hyped her most recent record, ‘Lotus,’ to the high heavens — but unfortunately, it flopped, likely due at least in part to a lack of real promotion from the singer. While her initial hiatus from ‘The Voice‘ was originally supposed to be to allow her to tour in support of the album, that’s looking far less likely.
Aguilera explained of her time away from the NBC hit, “I need moments to step away from the camera. I have selected performances here and there right now … This is a sort of down time for me right now.”
She did promise, however, that new music may be on the horizon … but she didn’t give too many details. “I’m going on vacation next week with my son, first time in Japan, which is such an inspirational place for me,” she gushed. “Get re-inspired, rejuvenated for what’s to come … I can’t say everything!”
As for her temporary replacement on ‘The Voice?’ Aguilera is firmly Team Shakira for the upcoming season. “It’s always girl power,” she grinned. “I’m very much in support of any woman who’s willing to take on all this testosterone at once and do it 24/7! I had three seasons of it and I needed a moment away … to feel this moment,” she quipped, referencing her duet with Mr. 305. “Pitbull!”
But don’t worry — it sounds like XTina will return to her big red chair soon enough. “‘The Voice’ has always been amazing to me. Mark Burnett is such a positive person and truly understands that artists need their space to be artists,” she explained. “I’m not a robot — I can’t be in front of the camera all of the time! You learn as you grow in this business … you need a moment so you can offer more as an artist and as a coach.”
'You do mommy'
I notice the more I see "interviews" with Christina, the less I like her. Have any of you guys ever had that experience with her or any other celeb before?
I will never ever forgive her because of abandoning Just A Fool and paid it in a dust
she could make a scrap black n white music video with white background tho
She does seem to come across in her interviews as if she's the best thing that happened to music, ever. I'm not a big fan of per personality and lately not a fan of her music either. I much prefer Shakira on The Voice over Christina.
Christina's image as well (especially in recent years) has been in my opinion very terrible. Forget the weight gain/loss she's been going through ever since she gave birth. In my opinion she's always struggled with her image as an artist. She comes across as someone who's trying to be the "Voice of the Generation" but at the same time she also wants to be slutty, raunchy, and use her Lotus (that's code for vagina) to sell records. She constantly says people like Etta James and Aretha Franklin were huge influences on her but then decides to sing "all I wanna do is fuck your body".
I think she's struggling big time in trying to make herself musically immortal like Madonna or Kylie, who constantly re-invent their image. She reinvents herself in a moment's notice from performance to performance but she does is so arbitrarily, nobody can take her seriously. It doesn't ever feel genuine. It's almost as if she just keeps throwing every idea against the wall and hoping something will stick.
There is no originality, there is no direction with both her image and music lately. There is only mess after mess after mess, and judging by how Lotus failed all over the world (and not just the US), and her tour canceled (technically never even planned) the public is losing interest at a more rapid rate than ever.
Oh well, at least we can enjoy the golden days of her career.
^ Well said! And I couldn't agree more. As usual, you've summed my thoughts up perfectly. *takes notes*
No, but that does pretty much sum it up.
some of her interviews lately have been a bit rehearsed. Would love to see her on a British talk show like Alan Carr or Graham Norton.
also: lol at Ryan saying dahhling just like Mariah.
Last edited by penayforay; April 12th, 2013 at 09:33 AM.
Apparently Christina was MIA for a performance she was supposed to do!
When this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction is broadcast on HBO May 18, you can "dim all the lights" on any hopes of seeing Christina Aguilera sing in tribute to Donna Summer. Though previously advertised as a musical guest who'd be saluting the late disco queen, Aguilera was an unexplained no-show at Thursday night's ceremony, leaving curious attendees to wonder whether she'd lost her voice on top of temporarily abandoning her "Voice" post.
That left it up to planned partner Jennifer Hudson to go it solo and work doubly hard for the money...at about half her former size, judging from the skintight bodysuit she wore while serenading the crowd with a medley of "Bad Girls" and "Last Dance." Hudson looked like she was on her way to the Bob Mackie Hall of Fame ceremony in this glittery outfit, but even the Rush fanatics who packed L.A.'s Nokia Theatre for the show weren't complaining, about either her sexy get-up or the high notes she expertly hit at the climax of "Dance."
Left unspoken was whether it had been planned that Aguilera would sing one of the two Summer numbers that ended up with Hudson, or whether attendees missed out on the chance to hear Christina replicate the classic moans of "Love to Love You Baby." Aguilera did not take to her Twitter account or anywhere else to explain being MIA, and her publicist did not immediately respond to requests for comment on her absence Friday.
At least the epic glories of "Love to Love You Baby" did not go unremarked upon. In an effusively delivered induction speech, Kelly Rowland noted that producer Giorgio Moroder "laid down a 17-minute track for Donna to sing over...I'm pretty sure me and a lot of y'all out there were made to that record."
With Hudson in the lead, the dress code skewed much glitzier than it usually does at a Rock Hall of Fame ceremony certainly varied, thanks largely to an unusual number of sharply attired R&B and film/TV celebrities on hand to salute the honorees. Oprah Winfrey inducted Quincy Jones, while a typically well-dressed Harry Belafonte joined a typically jersey-ed Spike Lee in offering props to Public Enemy. Flavor Flav wore a white tux with tails, as did the young son he dressed in identical garb and literally dragged to the podium.
Usher paid homage to Quincy Jones by way of doing a Michael Jackson tribute, singing "Rock With You" in black leather formal wear accented by a tiny red bow tie and red shoes, a la Jackson's pre-militaristic garb.
It was up to the likes of John Fogerty to really let rock's freak flag fly, as he wore his usual flannel shirt while supporting honoree Randy Newman in his opening number and participating in the show-ending jam.
Perhaps the most notable sartorial surprise belonged to Foo Fighters, who made an appearance as a Rush tribute band, wearing wigs and white kimonos as they banged through some famous riffs before the real Rush came out and replaced them. The outfits represented a semi-inside reference to what Dave Grohl previously referred to in his induction speech as "the most infamous band photo of all time," a '70s shot in which Rush somehow managed to combine kimonos with embarrassingly skintight pants.
well we can do hope for her appearance at TIME Gala Event
she slims down a little and the media goes crazy
i think christina aguilera "slim" was trending on yahoo news yesterday lol
she looks happy tho.
and she sounded absolutely amazing (from the few snippets I've heard. The full live performances...i cant seem to find)
amy was so drunk lmao
...and to think Christina had to cancel her appearance at the Donna Summer tribute a few days ago because she was feeling under the weather
Last edited by penayforay; April 25th, 2013 at 01:08 PM.
she lost weight
and the right make up hair and black dress
I love her performance outfit too
Baby Jane is back!
Such a fun, retro thread. I totally remember late-90s artists like Christina Aguilera and Vitamin C and Hoku. "Come on over, baby!"
She dropped some pounds and looks great! Pic on the set of her video with Alejandro Fernandez from her Twitter: