where is she now?
is Lotus era already over?
I just cant believe it
where is she now?
is Lotus era already over?
I just cant believe it
^Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears are in the Hot 100 top 10 still today. Britney at #6 and Justin Timberlake at #4.
And radio has always supported Christina when she's put out the right things. Christina was the #2 singles selling artist of 2000s, trailing only Madonna. You don't sell singles well if radio doesn't play them. Radio does play them.
Truth is nobody really cares about Lotus except Christina's core fans. Get over it and yourself.
Justin Timberlake got personal with his fans before releasing Suit & Tie with some Youtube promo. His website also started a single release countdown. Scream & Shout's video was premiered on The X Factor so it got a strong initial audience viewing.
^I'm not saying that singles that charted well are good singles. My favorite track by Christina was actually dismal in the US (Dirrty). I still like it and I think it's one of the best things she's put out.
My problem with Your Body is that it's so effing generic it looks like anything GaGa, Perry, or Rihanna didn't choose to record for their album. And it does no justice to Christina at all.
I do like Blank Page & Just a Fool and bought those off itunes.
I don't need radio to tell me what song is good as what isn't, I have my own judgement. In this case, the general public agrees with my judgement that Your Body wasn't a good lead single. There was nothing Christina about it at all.
Kelly Clarkson's biggest strength comes from her vocal consistency, versatility, and longevity. She started 10 years ago, many of the artists doing well back then (Christina included) are not doing as well now, but Kelly's latest studio album (Stronger) managed to go Platinum, her lowest selling album (My December) also went Platinum, and all her albums are certified Platinum or Multi Platinum in the US.
Like I said the general public aren't fucking retarded. If a song is good it eventually gets some sort of recognition. This would again explain why, to the above poster, that Catch My Breath is now catching on in airplay. It's uniquely Kelly. It goes back to her Breakaway sound. Nobody else out there would sound good singing it. My point about Your Body is that it's so generic they could have just called it "Anonymous - Your Body". It does Christina NO justice.
^IMO at this point you're like a food critic running around posting what's good and what's not and forcing people into believing something is nice when really they don't like it, lol. You like calamari and other people like chips & dip. Get over it, really.
Way to insult everyone by saying the general public is fucking retarded. The same public that made Christina a star in the first place. I'm sure they will repent and buy Lotus now.
Sad thing is Christina's in a mess of a period right now...so much talent but seems like either her or more likely her studio people want her to reinvent and get current. She's 35 or so, not a kid anymore. She has an amazing voice but she's got to trust herself more and the studio people less. I loved her retro style a few years back, with "Ain't No Other Man" and "Candyman" but it's been such a long time from her last really great effort, "Stripped".
unofficial official mini meet Friday- Saturday April 11-12, 2014
now she's busy shooting for her new fragrance
^Bitch, I don't even live in the US and I won't make an international call just to get her song played or start hitting up international radio stations on websites.
Except the general public thought it was not worth requesting too. You're requesting a song as a minority because the majority didn't like the song. And then act surprised when it doesn't play. There are probably 50 requests for other songs to 1 request for a Christina song. You think they will ditch their dedicated listener base for the 1 Christina request, or follow the 50 other requests?So don't fucking come in here acting like your personal reason of a song's quality determines whether or not a song does well.
So you truly think that you, as one person, is requesting the song plenty of times to get the radio impressions of the song alone all by yourself, when millions of people are requesting other songs?
Lol, okay hun. At this point you're not a fan, you're just delusional, so I will stop.
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You don't seem to realize, the songs are sent to radio by yes, the label itself. And the label can "buy" airtime on radio depending on how well they feel a single will perform commercially. If the single isn't doing well commercially, the label will not pay radio to play it anymore, but the radio will still play songs if they get sufficient requests for it. This increases a song's audience impressions, which Billboard uses to rank songs on the Hot 100.
That's how the system works. So if Ke$ha's team decided to send her song to radio to get some sales for it, then yea good for her. In Christina's case for "Your Body", the label probably didn't see it selling well enough to consistently send it for airplay. A song cruising in the mid 30s for itunes will probably only be at the 40-70 mark on the Hot 100, which was what Your Body was at for most of its stay.
If radio acts "shady" this is actually a very legit lawsuit that any record label can unleash upon them because radio impressions are scanned by Neilsen Soundscan which in turns provides data to Billboard. There's no hiding and refusing to play songs here.
Here is a look at the top radio airplay songs for pop songs from 1992 (when Neilsen started the scanning) -2012:
Radio only dedicates a portion of its airplay to viewer request, so they will only play songs that the majority of the people want to listen to, i.e. they want to keep their viewer count as high as possible, because their viewer count is what they boast to other advertisers looking to buy airtime to advertise.
The only people who enjoyed Your Body would probably be people who have been following Christina since her Genie in a Bottle days. The younger public is generally moved on to newer waves of popstars. Look at the top 100 today and 5 or 10 years ago. Many of the artists in years past have completely fallen off.
This is also why Christina seems to sell better when she collaborates with artists that are more current (i.e Maroon 5 and recently Pitbull). The only reason Christina's song with Pitbull is doing well is because she's a feature artist with a relevant artist. If that was her own song, it would have bombed just as badly as Your Body or Not Myself Tonight, because this isn't the style of music she's best associated with.
So you can either sit here with a catcus up your ass and whine all day about radio being shady to Christina (but now magically decides to play her song that Pitbull is in?), or you can just admit that the only people who would have enjoyed Your Body were Christina's core fanbase and nobody new.
^ I never said anything about Just a Fool. I already said it was the first song I purchased off Lotus (and then Blank Page). It's true that Just a Fool and Blank Page are 10x better than Your Body. Christina probably also had similar thoughts as she I think only did 1 performance of Your Body (with a stapler IIRC). Although one could again argue that it's just another song where Christina isn't the only person singing but instead collaborating with someone doing well at the moment.
And yes singles are sent to radio by labels. This is one of the first things labels do when it comes to releasing & promoting a single. If you think about a business, RCA will not go in a loss to play a certain song on radio if they don't feel like the single can sell well. This is where it comes to resource allocation. Although both Christina and Ke$ha are signed to RCA (and even Britney is now signed to the same label), it doesn't mean they will get the same treatment even though their parent label is the same.
The label could have decided to give Ke$ha more radio airplay and save Christina's budget for a possible tour. She said she was leaving The Voice for a season to tour. Or perhaps they weren't satisfied by the dismal sales of Your Body when compared to Die Young (I hate both songs btw). Or perhaps the contract signed by Ke$ha and Christina differ in those details. We will never know.
But Your Body was terrible. I'm glad radio was, if I may quote you, "shady as fuck" towards the song, if that was true. However you can't ever convince me that the thousands of radio stations all over the country had DJs who all simultaneously thought they should not play Christina's songs. That's just stupid.
For the record I frequently have posters comment message me agreeing with my opinions, so I'm not alone when I say that Christina took the absolute worst detour possible after Back to Basics, artistically, with no signs of ever getting back on the right track as of right now. There is NOBODY out there on radio right now who can pull off the jazzy, old school sound that was associated with Back to Basics. Everything about that album was amazing. Just a Fool, Blank Page, and the other songs of Lotus do not compare with Back to Basics. Yes she still does ballads but the ballads she did for Back to Basics were 10x better.
As for Britney's vocal credibility, there are people who prefer Britney's tone over Christina's. This has nothing to do with their singing ability, it's just the sound of the voice. While Britney doesn't have the vocals Christina does, Christina's popularity never rivaled Britney's. Britney was and is a much bigger star. Britney still commands strong album and singles sales and is a very prominent figure in pop music. Christina hasn't had a #1 song as a soloist in what, a decade?
FYI I prefer more of Christina's songs over Britneys, but it's odd to see you get so pissed off over Christina's success (or lack of for Lotus).
LOL @ that gif. It's funny because Demi hasn't sold jack shit and is in no position to crack a joke.
^I don't care what anyone says, Genie in a Bottle is still my jam
I'm way late to the discussion but I'm too lazy to read everything, I kinda went through it really fast. I don't want to get into it though, just wanted to point out that someone said Christina was 35 lol...Google anyone? She just turned 32 and honestly I don't know how that has anything to do with anything. I mean, have you guys seen this somewhat known artist called MADONNA? How old is she? like 55? And she's still making fun pop music.
I believe Lotus is an amazing album and the real issue in my opinion is that Xtina doesn't care enough to promote, I feel like she's becoming more of a business woman and that's why she's focused on her perfumes instead of promoting the album.
Are you still arguing with yourself?
This is why I hate hard core fans of basically anyone. If you all say that Christina says she doesn't care about charting success anymore, then as a fan, you shouldn't go ape shit about her dismal singles and CD sales either. Lotus flopped, get over it and yourself. Radio was the only reason Christina got any recognition from the public and when she put out the right material radio backed her up all the way. It's the only reason she became known as the voice of the generation.
You may like Your Body as a fan, and good for you. Think about it from the point of view of a non fan. First of all, Christina is not at her physical peak. So seeing a video of a fat (by Hollywood standards) girl singing about wanting to fuck a guy is ironic when she doesn't even look hot enough to get laid with the fake tan and prostitute look in the video.
Secondly, the song fails to represent the rest of the album in every which way possible. It doesn't follow through with the theme of Lotus, which was basically supposed to be a "musical rebirth" for Christina. Your Body isn't a ground breaking revolutionary musical rebirth, it's about as commonplace as every other radio song out there. The only difference is that the person singing it can actually sing without relying on auto tune. Which makes you wonder, why can't a good vocalist put out stuff that showcases, I don't know, their voice?
Christina's career is done at this point if all she does is put out albums like Lotus and doesn't care enough to properly promote them. It's just that simple. And guess what, her record sales prove it. She took a hit with Bionic and an ever bigger hit with Lotus even though she performed on The Voice when it came out, and a few other shows.
Nobody who is a casual listener will take her seriously with the overly done fake tan, the way she dresses, the fucking gay rainbow explosion performances, lack of promotion, and her choice of singles.
Lotus is done. Move along. Christina is well past her golden days and unless she gets her act straight her career will keep going downhill. With the way she looks, the way she carries herself, and the songs she puts out you cannot say that she is the same person who put out Beautiful or her other successful work. Dirrty, while a poorly performing single, at least was iconic in her career. There is nothing iconic or memorable about anything she put out after Back to Basics. Nobody takes her seriously anymore because she doesn't take herself seriously.
BTW I'm done arguing about this you can keep on quoting paragraph by paragraph to reply because I guess it's too much to expect someone to read an entire post and formulate an opinion without having to break it down. And you can keep on coming into other topics and quoting 3 month old posts to track Christina's shit into other topics as well. And you can keep on changing IPs to request her songs on different forums. And you can keep on calling radio stations to request her songs. And you can keep on being miserable as a fan and never bring yourself to enjoy the album on your own without having to put blame on other factors for her recent failures.
But the truth is, millions of people in the US and all over the world do not give a flying. fuck. about Christina's music anymore, because she doesn't either.
are they really hating the name 'Christina Aguilera' on the radio? smh
wow at the argument on the last few pages
its nice of penayforay giving facts like the 'britney clearchannel dispute' as to oppose of just arguing based on personal opinion and projecting it as a general public's opinion
Before penayforay makes more accounts to message me (get a life honey), let me make my thoughts on Lotus & Christina clear.
Lotus was supposed to signify Christina's return to prominence, which is why she collaborated with some of the biggest pop-hit making producers on the album (Max Martin, Shellback, to name a few) and also with her fellow Voice judges, Blake Shelton & Cee Lo Green. But the album had a rocky start of only < 73,000 in its first week, despite a promotion performance she did on The Voice for the album alongside Cee Lo. And despite followup performances on TV on both the Voice, and other shows, the album and its singles tanked. At the end of January, 2013, the album has sold less than 200k in the US, and the singles have sold a combined less than 1 million in the US. Worldwide, this album marked some of the lowest sales figures Christina has ever posted.
So no matter how big of a fan you are, you cannot deny that Lotus wasn't exactly a comeback, because it was basically a non-event. Christina commands a massive and somewhat protective/delusional fan base (some of which you can evidence here), but it was probably wrong of her fans to expect big things from Lotus given her history with Bionic. Say all you want about it being 'ahead of its time' or whatever but album sales being what they are nowadays, that only tells half the story. It's better to look at how she's fared on the singles charts because her fans probably should have seen all this coming and tempered their expectations accordingly.
So first let's look at the facts.
- Christina has had three solo #1's on the Billboard Hot 100
- Her fourth was "Lady Marmalade" on which she's featured alongside other artists
- Her fifth was "Moves Like Jagger," where is a featured artist on a Maroon 5 song.
- Since 2002, she's only had three singles land in the top 10 (2002's "Beautiful," 2006's "Ain't No Other Man" and 2008's "Keeps Gettin' Better")
- Her best showing in recent years was "Not Myself Tonight," which made it to #23.
- Lotus' first single, "Your Body," peaked at #34, and eight weeks after it was released, it tanked at #84.
These are just facts.
Christina failed to replicate the chart success of pop stars like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, & Rihanna with Lotus. There are plenty of theories & prevailing thoughts (whether real or imagined) that she's not as likable, does not work overtime to channel the same outsider spirit (and therefore isn't as relatable), has radio against her (which makes no sense as the singles tanked all over the world, not just in the US) or simply hasn't been as smart with her choices of singles to release.
The truth of the matter lies in her lack of singles success, because it suggests that Christina is no longer a pop star like Rihanna or Katy Perry; she's a niche artist like Adele. Which is why I pointed out that Christina needs to put out albums like the widely acclaimed, Grammy winning Back to Basics, and not something like Lotus.
In her best moments (and I wish there were more of them on Lotus), she can out-sing just about anybody, and sings circles around GaGa, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, etc. She still releases interesting stuff, and I do love "Just a Fool" and think there are plenty of equally worthy follow-ups on Lotus, like "Blank Page" or "Best of Me".
She has a loyal fanbase, one that has thinned in recent years, but remains nonetheless. She can still work with anyone she pleases and make the kinds of albums she wants. But this doesn't mean she will be successful in doing so, as evidenced by Bionic and Lotus. As far as niche artists go, Christina's got it pretty good as evidenced by the success of Back to Basics, which focuses on the 20's and 30's jazzy style of music which she did justice.
But I really think that it's time for her to stop trying to compete with her contemporaries by releasing songs like "Your Body" and embrace the uniqueness of her situation.
As far as I'm concerned, everything about Lotus went wrong. It was inevitable that it would fail the minute she put out "Your Body". In my opinion, she never needed a comeback. She was fine exactly where she was and should have just put out music that helps her shine as a niche artist after the one misstep of Bionic. Her voice is unique and lends itself very well to such music, similar to how Adele can push ballads to the top of the charts everywhere around the world. But her voice & image doesn't fare well against her other contemporaries when she sings mainstream pop.
In good news I'm glad to have blocked penayforay for this nonsense to stop. I'm also glad camp Christina seems to have given up on Lotus. Hopefully her next album (if any) takes her back to what she's good at as opposed to trying to be good at whatever everyone else is good at.
so, i gave "lotus" a spin. i quite like aguilera, eventhough i think shes always been a little hit-or-miss.
well, her latest effort didnt impress me. basically, "just a fool" is the only song i like, and it sounds like it belongs on a different album.
"lotus" sounds generic, a little desperate, and kinda rihannabe.
i think aguileras voice sounds best against a more organic backdrop, as in "stripped" and "back to basic". "bionic" was slick, but at least it was also interesting and daring and energetic. "lotus" just sounds unflattering and boring to me.
after hearing "just a fool", im kinda hoping her next album is gonna be country/blues/folk-pop. i think that would be an interesting direction for her to explore.
luv xtina. really wished lotus did much better.
I hate to say it but just a fool was a bad choice as far as singles.army of me would've been better.just a fool should've been a fourth single to close out the album.her problem is she needs to reinvent herself instead of playing the same game.the reason why stripped and back to the basics did well was cause she brought new vibes to both.
what am i good at? haha!
I thought Christina had the flu during her People's Choice performance, but it turns out she didn't, so I don't know why she was out of tune the first 45 seconds of the performance, and then in various parts of the bridge following through as well. Kelly's most recent televised performance was that on the Grammys where she got a standing ovation from everyone in the room, and was considered by many as one of the vocal highlights of the evening.
I feel like Christina has a slightly broader range, but is more limited to what she can sing to make her voice shine through because I feel as if her voice does best in the mid range (like on tracks like Beautiful), not her lower or upper register. Her higher chest notes seemed to be forced sometimes. You can easily witness this by watching her (in the past) attempting to hit the famous F5 note in "I Turn To You" live. She usually changes the note in her live appearances
Kelly I feel has less of a range than Christina but is more versatile in what she can sing. Although like Christina Kelly has a head voice, it often seems disconnected from her chest voice. Christina I feel uses the head voice better, but Kelly I feel does a better job from going through the lower ends of her register to her soaring chest voice.
Comes down to personal preference really, but judging them as vocalists I feel lately Kelly is doing a better job than Christina.
Edit -> If you want to compare them both hitting an F5 here's Kelly's version of it
At around 8:30
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Here for Christina's F5
Mr. Worldwide and Legendtina Aguilera! Feel This Moment, daleee!
The video is nothing extraordinary but at least we get to see her and she looks HOT!
Love Christina Aguilera.
This may be one of the really rare moments where Mickey Mouse club graduates Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, and Justin Timberlake are all in the Hot 100 top 10.
#10 - Feel This Moment
#9 - Scream and Shout
#4 - Suit & Tie
As for Feel This Moment, I don't really like any of Pitbull's lyrics and don't like the "Take on Me" melody interpolated in it either. I really wish they'd given Christina more lines in that song. She says the same lines over and over. Her voice is so much better than his (as in she can actually sing).
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I was initially shocked but I got over it...I mean it's not like she was actually trying so I saw it coming. What still amazes me is that it seems like she really doesn't give a crap...It's really sad and I know a lot of fans are leaving the boat, I'm staying but if she keeps sabotaging her music career like this (I know she's doing preeetty good in other areas of the entertainment business) I don't how long she'll keep her A-List status.
And yeah Kid Choice Awards tonight and the Diana Ross tribute in April...that's all we have to look forward to right now.
I will never ever forgive her because of abandoning Just A Fool and paid it in a dust
she could make a scrap black n white music video with white background tho
She does seem to come across in her interviews as if she's the best thing that happened to music, ever. I'm not a big fan of per personality and lately not a fan of her music either. I much prefer Shakira on The Voice over Christina.
Christina's image as well (especially in recent years) has been in my opinion very terrible. Forget the weight gain/loss she's been going through ever since she gave birth. In my opinion she's always struggled with her image as an artist. She comes across as someone who's trying to be the "Voice of the Generation" but at the same time she also wants to be slutty, raunchy, and use her Lotus (that's code for vagina) to sell records. She constantly says people like Etta James and Aretha Franklin were huge influences on her but then decides to sing "all I wanna do is fuck your body".
I think she's struggling big time in trying to make herself musically immortal like Madonna or Kylie, who constantly re-invent their image. She reinvents herself in a moment's notice from performance to performance but she does is so arbitrarily, nobody can take her seriously. It doesn't ever feel genuine. It's almost as if she just keeps throwing every idea against the wall and hoping something will stick.
There is no originality, there is no direction with both her image and music lately. There is only mess after mess after mess, and judging by how Lotus failed all over the world (and not just the US), and her tour canceled (technically never even planned) the public is losing interest at a more rapid rate than ever.
Oh well, at least we can enjoy the golden days of her career.
Apparently Christina was MIA for a performance she was supposed to do!
When this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction is broadcast on HBO May 18, you can "dim all the lights" on any hopes of seeing Christina Aguilera sing in tribute to Donna Summer. Though previously advertised as a musical guest who'd be saluting the late disco queen, Aguilera was an unexplained no-show at Thursday night's ceremony, leaving curious attendees to wonder whether she'd lost her voice on top of temporarily abandoning her "Voice" post.
That left it up to planned partner Jennifer Hudson to go it solo and work doubly hard for the money...at about half her former size, judging from the skintight bodysuit she wore while serenading the crowd with a medley of "Bad Girls" and "Last Dance." Hudson looked like she was on her way to the Bob Mackie Hall of Fame ceremony in this glittery outfit, but even the Rush fanatics who packed L.A.'s Nokia Theatre for the show weren't complaining, about either her sexy get-up or the high notes she expertly hit at the climax of "Dance."
Left unspoken was whether it had been planned that Aguilera would sing one of the two Summer numbers that ended up with Hudson, or whether attendees missed out on the chance to hear Christina replicate the classic moans of "Love to Love You Baby." Aguilera did not take to her Twitter account or anywhere else to explain being MIA, and her publicist did not immediately respond to requests for comment on her absence Friday.
At least the epic glories of "Love to Love You Baby" did not go unremarked upon. In an effusively delivered induction speech, Kelly Rowland noted that producer Giorgio Moroder "laid down a 17-minute track for Donna to sing over...I'm pretty sure me and a lot of y'all out there were made to that record."
With Hudson in the lead, the dress code skewed much glitzier than it usually does at a Rock Hall of Fame ceremony certainly varied, thanks largely to an unusual number of sharply attired R&B and film/TV celebrities on hand to salute the honorees. Oprah Winfrey inducted Quincy Jones, while a typically well-dressed Harry Belafonte joined a typically jersey-ed Spike Lee in offering props to Public Enemy. Flavor Flav wore a white tux with tails, as did the young son he dressed in identical garb and literally dragged to the podium.
Usher paid homage to Quincy Jones by way of doing a Michael Jackson tribute, singing "Rock With You" in black leather formal wear accented by a tiny red bow tie and red shoes, a la Jackson's pre-militaristic garb.
It was up to the likes of John Fogerty to really let rock's freak flag fly, as he wore his usual flannel shirt while supporting honoree Randy Newman in his opening number and participating in the show-ending jam.
Perhaps the most notable sartorial surprise belonged to Foo Fighters, who made an appearance as a Rush tribute band, wearing wigs and white kimonos as they banged through some famous riffs before the real Rush came out and replaced them. The outfits represented a semi-inside reference to what Dave Grohl previously referred to in his induction speech as "the most infamous band photo of all time," a '70s shot in which Rush somehow managed to combine kimonos with embarrassingly skintight pants.
well we can do hope for her appearance at TIME Gala Event
she lost weight
and the right make up hair and black dress
I love her performance outfit too
Baby Jane is back!
Such a fun, retro thread. I totally remember late-90s artists like Christina Aguilera and Vitamin C and Hoku. "Come on over, baby!"
She dropped some pounds and looks great! Pic on the set of her video with Alejandro Fernandez from her Twitter:
and cant wait for tonight performance at Billboard Music Awards
Is RCA releasing 'Let There Be Love' as the third single? I heard it on the radio today, and learned it's currently #1 on the dance charts.
cant wait for her performance at The Voice finale
Bitch looks Gorge!