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    i knowww everyone here gets their panties in a twist they need to chill and realize we are just stating our opinions and i dont want hard feelings towards me...i like to spread the love...but not like that hunny i aint tryin to be easy...haha<3

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    bumping up for d-no777

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    haha thanks babe<3

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    It seems like with every passing episode Finn gets more awkward and unattractive and Puck gets hotter and sexier. I liked him and Rachel as a couple.

    I too wish they'd focus more on the students in glee and less on the teachers. It's funny when Sue was trying to cause division in glee by splitting up the minority students, when the minority students still get no attention. I dont even know the Asian guy or the black guy's names. I guess they are both athletes but how the hell did they come to be in glee club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    It seems like with every passing episode Finn gets more awkward and unattractive and Puck gets hotter and sexier. I liked him and Rachel as a couple.

    I too wish they'd focus more on the students in glee and less on the teachers. It's funny when Sue was trying to cause division in glee by splitting up the minority students, when the minority students still get no attention. I dont even know the Asian guy or the black guy's names. I guess they are both athletes but how the hell did they come to be in glee club?

    yeah I don't know if they actually have names...I only know the Asian kid as "that kid from Step Up 2" haha.

    and we REALLY need to do something about the odd manish looking cheerleader...

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    I'm looking forward to Jonathan Groff guest-starring (and reuniting with Lea). He's cute, gay, can sing and dance, and if things were different, he'd make an amazing Finn. Hopefully we get to see a lot of Finn jealousy and Rachel actually being happy with another guy if only for a few eps (Rachel and Puck were never gonna be a believable item).

    I love this clip of Groff. Pity we only get a brief ass shake at the end.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faEU9eEmTwo[/ame]

    For those who don't know, Groff will be playing the lead singer of Vocal Adrenaline who becomes a potential love interest for Rachel. And as a sidebar: some of those Vocal Adrenaline performers are hot! More scenes from them please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grantt View Post
    Over the top? Sure.

    Ridiculus script? Of course.

    Exaggerated comedy? Naturally.

    Like "Grease" (the movie) for television. Instead of the 50's it's today...sort of.

    The one liners are getting to be a riot. It is not traditional comedy. This one has crazy music numbers thrown.

    When I thought the writing could not continue, it does. Is it stupid? Yes, and you like it because it is. What a twist.

    Just one hour a week when you do not have to be serious or think or even pay all that much attention. Few things on television offer that.
    Quoted for truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    It seems like with every passing episode Finn gets more awkward and unattractive and Puck gets hotter and sexier. I liked him and Rachel as a couple.

    I too wish they'd focus more on the students in glee and less on the teachers. It's funny when Sue was trying to cause division in glee by splitting up the minority students, when the minority students still get no attention. I dont even know the Asian guy or the black guy's names. I guess they are both athletes but how the hell did they come to be in glee club?
    So true! I am loving Puck more and more. Especially now that they moved his character forward and gave him air time finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    So true! I am loving Puck more and more. Especially now that they moved his character forward and gave him air time finally.
    Yea I dont think he was intended to be a main character so much but I'm glad he is because he's hot as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    Yea I dont think he was intended to be a main character so much but I'm glad he is because he's hot as hell.
    He was signed for a full season so I was hoping for more on the character. And now they finally gave him some real air time. I loved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    So true! I am loving Puck more and more. Especially now that they moved his character forward and gave him air time finally.
    I really felt that Puck and Rachel was a much more interesting dynamic than Rachel and Finn. I wish they had taken it more seriously. Finn is pretty much a jackass, stringing Rachel along the way he has. He hasn't shown any care for anyone but himself. We're suppose to think he's a god guy because he's sticking with pregnant Quinn? That aint doing it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    I really felt that Puck and Rachel was a much more interesting dynamic than Rachel and Finn. I wish they had taken it more seriously. Finn is pretty much a jackass, stringing Rachel along the way he has. He hasn't shown any care for anyone but himself. We're suppose to think he's a god guy because he's sticking with pregnant Quinn? That aint doing it for me.
    I have to agree. Finn and Rachel would be absolutely boring. Rachel and Puck together would be a really cool and very interesting relationship for the show.

    Sadly, I have to agree with the writers decision to break them up. It is so obvious who both of them want, and with the baby truly being Puck's, there is just no way.

    I want them to develop a relationship for the gay boy though. Possibly even a football player?!? That would be super awesome, and with a show like that, totally doable.

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    I think they have hinted that the gay guy has eyes for Finn also. But I do hope they find someone else.

    As far as Puck and Rachel, Obviously they needed to get broken up. But they could have had them together for longer than one episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    I think they have hinted that the gay guy has eyes for Finn also. But I do hope they find someone else.

    As far as Puck and Rachel, Obviously they needed to get broken up. But they could have had them together for longer than one episode.
    True...totally agree on that. Seen a bigger dynamic between them and see how Quinn's baby and possibly Finn finding out the real father could ruin their relationship.

    Maybe if Glee had better writers (although I do like the current writers) this could have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    True...totally agree on that. Seen a bigger dynamic between them and see how Quinn's baby and possibly Finn finding out the real father could ruin their relationship.

    Maybe if Glee had better writers (although I do like the current writers) this could have happened.
    Yea they're chemistry is surprisingly strong and they simply look hot together. Plus it was sweet when Puck was realizing how awful he and other people are to Rachel. That was my favorite Rachel scene so far.

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    Wow what a way to return.

    This show has so much heart.

    Tonight was the Emmy episode.


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    Television at it's best. The hour flies by.

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    This was one of the best episodes in a long while.

    And there wasn't any of that nonsense with Will's wife and the teacher he works with.

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    wow back to back Emmy episodes

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    Last nights episode was pretty good.
    They REALLY know how to get the feeling of awkwardness across to the audience. I was literally sqirming in my seat during some scenes...

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    I was excited to think we'd see some of the other glee clubbers interact. Like the 2 Asians. but instead it's Finn and Quinn AGAIN. And what was the Mercedes' terrible advice telling Puck to keep quiet and let Quinn continue to lie about the paternity of her child as if it her choice? WTF?

    And dont get me started on Kurt all of a sudden being crazy in love with Finn.

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    I think we've known all along how Kurt feels about Finn -- In some of the prior episodes he gave indications that he was in love with him.

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    they've indicated several times in fact that Kurt had the hots for Finn. They just made it more obvious on that episode.

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    No i know they hinted that he might have a thing for Finn a few times. But last night it was all of a sudden this full on obsession where he's manipulating his relationship and trying to convert him. It was so stupid and not even interesting. It was just so uncomfortable to watch and I usually love a gay scene. Why not make him interested in Puck or other Asian?

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    ^I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. It is clear that Finn is hetero. The only people who it is unclear about is the guy in the wheelchair, the black guy, the Asian guy, and maybe Puck. I only include Puck is because he could so be one of those hypermasculine closet cases that overcompensates.

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    Artie has a thing for Tina, so I don't believe he's gay. I don't think the show is trying to hide anyone's sexuality. From the get-go Kurt was shown as being gay.

    Kurt has always been shown as being perceived as gay, even though he never told anyone for a while. The directors would most likely have given hints by now if anyone else was gay.

    I think any other gay characters, especially love interests for Kurt, will be people we've seen but don't know much about or new characters.

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    I was starting to worry about the show after the first few episodes, but these last two especially have been so damned good. It's weird to say this, but when I watch this show it feels like someone's given me a gift.

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    I think it would be really great to see what happens when Finn (who is so dumb) realizes that Kurt is in love with him!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knobby View Post
    I think it would be really great to see what happens when Finn (who is so dumb) realizes that Kurt is in love with him!!!!
    The whole tie scene when he finds his dad's old suit is cute but come on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    ^I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. It is clear that Finn is hetero. The only people who it is unclear about is the guy in the wheelchair, the black guy, the Asian guy, and maybe Puck. I only include Puck is because he could so be one of those hypermasculine closet cases that overcompensates.
    I tend to agree. I think it's been made pretty clear that Finn is straight. Even his internal monologue is all about girls. But you never know, it's television after all. Things could change.

    One thing about the episode, a lot of people have chastized Mercedes for telling Puck to back off. I don't think she's the kind of person to willingly support blatantly lying to Finn. I get the feeling she hasn't considered Finn's position in all of this at all. All she sees is Puck trying to break up the happy home that is Finn & Quinn (and Drizzle). If she saw how things really are she'd probably be the first person to tell Finn the truth.

    I'll be curious to see what happens with Quinn once the cat's out of the bag. I can kinda see Finn going back to her for the sake of the baby but I can also see him seeing it as his ticket to freedom.

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    Did anyone notice that Finn said that they didn't even have sex while at the dinner table with Quinns parents. It sure will be interesting when that info comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knobby View Post
    I think it would be really great to see what happens when Finn (who is so dumb) realizes that Kurt is in love with him!!!!
    Poor Finn, dumb as a box of nails but so adorable and cute you just have to love him.
    The love Kurt has for him is gonna confuse the Hell out of the poor baby. I mean Kurt will be able to convince him of just about anything. After all, he still does not know how babies are made. By the way, when Finn told his pregnant gf's parents hey had not had sex no one flinched or said huh?

    I am still chocked up after seeing Sue visit her sister, what a magnificent scene.
    Seeing Sue in that light was so heartwarming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny10305 View Post
    Poor Finn, dumb as a box of nails but so adorable and cute you just have to love him.
    The love Kurt has for him is gonna confuse the Hell out of the poor baby. I mean Kurt will be able to convince him of just about anything. After all, he still does not know how babies are made. By the way, when Finn told his pregnant gf's parents hey had not had sex no one flinched or said huh?

    I am still chocked up after seeing Sue visit her sister, what a magnificent scene.
    Seeing Sue in that light was so heartwarming.
    Quinn's mom told him to "Stop lying" (Or to stop his lies) when he mentioned they didn't have sex.

    I took it for no one believed him.

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    It started out so so but then went into Emmy mode when the Glee group started to sing with the deaf choir. I almost cried.

    Does Finn know Quinn is giving the baby up? that part is confusing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digicel View Post
    Does Finn know Quinn is giving the baby up? that part is confusing
    Yeah he does.

    Does anyone think the other clubs will use the set list to cheat?

    Kurt kinda turned into Suzy Pepper with his speech to Rachel about how the object of their desire will never desire them.

    And Terri was actually pretty sane in this ep for a change. She almost has me rooting for them staying together. I was kinda hoping that Quinn would stick around when Will showed Terri the car so she could decide for herself whether he'd make a good dad.

    This is how I think it'll pan out: Finn will find out but be conflicted about whether to stay with Quinn or not. I suspect he wont then he'll be crying into Rachel's shoulder pads. Will will find out, leave Terri but end up back with her to raise their adopted baby.

    And I agree, the Deaf choir was excellent. And Tina getting her first solo

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    Glee is offensive

    My favorite show is Glee, but I must say that it can be very offensive at times.

    Reasons:

    1.) The gay guy is as caricatured as Jack from Will and Grace. This is offensive. In the real world of musical theatre and high school drama departments there are not just one but several gay men in the department, and some of them are masculine like Quinn, like Mr. Shue, and the mohican hair cut dude. TV *STILL* is not comfortable in making the gay guys masculine and real.

    2.) The wheel-chair episode had a comment from one of the Cheerios that they were "losers" because they were in the chairs. Very offensive. I would have expected at least one character to have said something to correct her.

    3.) In an episode some time back, Mr. Shue went out of his way to dodge the flaky teacher who was obsessed with Josh Groban. He didn't want him to play in his singing group because he was flaky. This is counter to the "be kind to the underdog" nature of the show. Isn't Shue supposed to be FOR the underdog?

    4.) In last week's episode they made fun of deaf people. The hard of hearing teacher kept misinterpreting what was being said. This was supposed to be funny. No, it was not.

    Still my favorite show, but when it offends it offends deeply.

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    Well, I can't say I completely disagree with your observations. For the wheelchair thing, your point 2, sometimes the best way to make a point more sharply is to portray characters or comments that the audience watching knows are any degree of shallow, ignorant or coming from a buffoon. Nobody expects the cheerleading squad (especially as led by Sue Sylvester!) to be worldly, sensitive or emotionally enlightened individuals so that comment just reinforced the ignorance. You laugh at them - like Homer Simpson or that example I always read about with Archie Bunker being a racist and boob that was the butt of the joke because he was so unenlightened. Although, maybe cheerleaders would take issue with how the Cheerios are portrayed.

    I agree that deaf teacher gag fell pretty flat. Movies and TV might do the same thing with someone inflicted with Tourette's who curses spontaneously, or a blind person who spends time stumbling into objects, so I saw that can't-hear-well-therefore-misunderstands-everything more lazy and cliched than anything.

    I find the larger problem with "Glee" is that it can't quite find its tone. See this article for a comment on that too:

    "The producers may consider their show a mash-up but they’ve forgotten how to make their disparate parts gel into a cohesive whole. It could be a matter of too many cooks. Co-creators Ryan Murphy, Ian Brennan and Brad Falchuk take turns writing and seem to have different ideas of how they want Glee to be, tonally. Or maybe the pilot was just too good."

    Originally (according to the "Entertainment Weekly" cover story a while back) the show's tone was much darker and more bitter, a sort of mean-spirited satire. That openly gay character and the other things you mention may fit more into that model, which would be stuff like vicious skewering of "underdogs" or cliche characters or high school popularity contests and that cutthroat social ladder. "Glee" seems to be trying to do some of this along with "cute and cuddly" inspirational musical numbers and "heartwarming" moments. I do like the contrast because you never know where an episode might swing, it's unpredictable, but it can be jarring for sure and throw some viewers.

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    I think the show went over your head.

    The stereotypes are purposefully done and it's tongue-in-cheek humor is actually making fun of the stereotypes people make against minorities particularly in Hollywood and the media.

    You never wondered why the Asian-American guy in the Glee Club is called "Other Asian".

    It's making fun of invisibility of Asian men in media.

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    It's over the top and total satire. It depicts men as dumb. The gay kid is fantastically portrayed as someone who can be himself. It deals in "types" and is my favorite show. As far as last week's episode, you forgot to mention the crime laden inner city glee kids.

    PS Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms all day to class.

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    Thanks for the info, Trinket. Good stuff! And Diamond, no, the show has not gone over my head. I get the wit. Remember, it's my favorite show for a reason.

    I just think that I would buy the satire defense more if they portrayed Mr. Shue or Quinn as gay in addition to the caricature. With just the caricature, I don't feel it's satire. It's just offensive.

    As Trinket pointed out, the problem lies with the show not knowing what tone it's to take.

    I'll still watch. I love satire. But sometimes satire can be used as an excuse to degrade and perpetuate stereotypes with impunity.

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    The show is exaggerated to point out the clique-riddled societies that exist in high schools and how glee club brings all of those different people together. It's not supposed to be realistic. If you notice, they make fun of EVERYONE. It's equal opportunity. It can get away with it the same way that South Park does. It doesn't favor anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JNewYork View Post
    3.) In an episode some time back, Mr. Shue went out of his way to dodge the flaky teacher who was obsessed with Josh Groban. He didn't want him to play in his singing group because he was flaky. This is counter to the "be kind to the underdog" nature of the show. Isn't Shue supposed to be FOR the underdog?
    I stopped watching it, but still saw that one .. he dodged this guy because he was fired for inappropriately touching a student ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    I stopped watching it, but still saw that one .. he dodged this guy because he was fired for inappropriately touching a student ..
    He's also a pot dealer.
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    >>>Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms all day to class.

    They did in my high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNewYork View Post
    I just think that I would buy the satire defense more if they portrayed Mr. Shue or Quinn as gay in addition to the caricature. With just the caricature, I don't feel it's satire.
    But that's exactly what satire is. The point of satire is to reveal an essential truth through caricature and exaggerated humor. If you flesh something out or make it less caricatured, then it's...not satire.

    I don't think Glee is offensive but I do think it's often unfunny, and that's where it's intended satire fails. Satire is supposed to be witty and humorous and Glee is rarely ever that.

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    It seems you might have been a fan of "socialist realism" from the Soviet past: happy dancing maidens bringing in the harvest, happy tractor drivers, happy factory workers praising the glorious achievments of the perfect society, etc. People found this rather boring.

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    OP, you fit the stereotypes of gay guys getting offended by every little thing, and it offends me...

    ...yeah, it doesn't really offend me, but geez, I get tired of these guys that have to find every little thing offensive in some way.

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    Re: Glee is offensive

    Besides, raging queen stereotype or not, Kurt is the funniest character on the show.
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    Re: Glee is offensive

    I just think that it's easy to use satire as an excuse to degrade gay people. If anybody complains, as I have, then they get told that they're just "missing the satire."

    Sorry if I'm being annoying by being offended. I'm just tired of gay men's representation in the media to always be weak, effeminate, girly, flamboyant.

    If we're not being portrayed that way in Will and Grace, we're being portrayed that way as "satire" in Glee.

    Where is the ONE gay man character on TV who is a strong, MASCULINE, well adjusted dude? There isn't one. Not one.

    And to not have ONE character like that on TV is offensive in itself, but when we gays ARE being portrayed, and the portrayal is this over the top girly gay--all under the guise of satire--then it's even more offensive.

    But I know, I can't complain, because it's just "satire."

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    is the characters last name- i represent all gay men on the planet?
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