I really, really enjoyed Glee the first season, but have struggled with it ever since. And I think that I've FINALLY figured out what has bothered me.
First, Glee was set up to be a show about a high school glee club. I have noticed over and over again, very few shows about high school do well after the first couple of seasons. Why? Because the show tend to focus on the students, and invariably, those students SHOULD graduate. That's the natural progression of students in high school. And the issues that students deal with are truly cyclical. What I mean by that is that all students need to learn to deal with drugs and alcohol, sexuality (and teen pregnancy), peer pressure, bullying, etc. But on a tv show, if you revisit the same issue multiple times, it gets old and boring.
Not only that, but when kids graduate, they LEAVE THE DAMN SCHOOL!!! How many times have people come back to the school? Seriously this was crazily unrealistic. Maybe once or twice to say hi to their old teachers, but not every other week.
And secondly, I can't remember the last school-oriented show that I saw where people liked the new characters as much as they did the first characters. Most shows are essentially character-driven show where we fall in love with the characters and we want to know what happens to them. But when characters are leaving the show every couple of years, I naturally don't want to get attached to them.
I really, really wish that they had a Glee NY spinoff and just allowed Kurt and Rachel go to NYC and do their thing. Trying to do half the show in NYC and the other half in Ohio is a fiasco.
This was sad and unfortunate news to hear today. R.I.P. Cory Monteith.
Finn was never really one of my favorite characters, but I am nervous how these incompetent show-runners will handle him. Killing Finn off seems to be the only logical option, which will hopefully be done in a respectful manner, and have zero ties to CM's personal struggles.
Her acceptance speech tonight was touching, poor girl.
I heard that they are writing off Finn's character in the third episode of the new season. The new season starts up on Sept. 26. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it.
In answer to PAbear- I went back to school once- Homecoming my first year in college- I went to the school that day to see a few teachers, then the game that night....a friend at a different college was friends with one of the teachers and I went with her to the teacher's house once in college (I had her too for Physics)...otherwise- you are completely right! They should have started the show that way- had 3 seniors, juniors, sophomores and freshman each- graduated 3 seniors every year and add 3 freshman every year- have each come back for Homecoming or regionals, but that's it.
I'd split the blame for unevenness of the show between the extreme fans and the creators/writers. It's a common problem when writing that you should always give the fans what they want because they have essentially made your brand, the problem occurs when it's not right for the story but you have to do it anyway. I feel Ryan Murphy only kept the characters on because the fans said they wanted to see them again. When they graduated they should have had maybe one come back and be a teacher/student teacher (like Finn was going to do) and then have very rare guest appearances from the others. As it ended up, they focused too much on Rachel's character when she had no ties to the school other than the friendship with Kurt but ultimately it was a separate story that would have suited a spin-off much better than a separate story arch.
Not looking forward too much to the new season of Glee. The first two episodes are Beatles tributes (I don't like the Beatles and got tired of tribute episodes around season two) but I am intrigued to see how Glee handles the Finn/Cory Monteith situation. This could either be seen as a respectful homage to a great friend or it could be seen to be playing for ratings, it all depends on how they handle it.
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"Kurt and I WILL have a happy ending."
Oh? Does Kurt know about this, Blaine?
Am I the only one still watching, lol?!
The first episode suffered the same problem as last season: way too many rushed plots, cast of characters, and all without any real narrative. It's almost not even fun to hate-watch anymore. Most of the cliffhangers from last season were quickly mentioned or not even at all. Kitty jokes about the cat fishing story arc, Sue is back at McK, Ryder's back without any explanation, and no mention of Dreads or Sugar.
Anyway, more random thoughts:
- I thought Lea did a good job throughout this one and there was never a moment where I thought she was phoning it in. I liked her rendition of "Yesterday," clearly foreshadowing what's to come...
- Rachel getting a "2nd chance" is a very tired plot (along with anything involving Figgin's/Sue/Will) but I like the idea of the diner the NYC side will work at and didn't hate any of the scenes there.
- Artie & Kitty? I don't care, and Bree was only on for 5 secs and is already annoying. Another bitchy cheerleader?
- Tina doing the absolute most for whatever reason.
- I like Jake & Marley better when they don't talk, their reactions to everything was spot on to how I was feeling.
- Only in glee universe can a couple go from getting back together to an engagement within a week. I actually liked "Got To Get You Into My Life" performance (which maybe the best duet this couple has ever had) and the conversation proceeding it wasn't too bad. It was probably because it's the first time I can actually believe the great Klaine chemistry this show tries to sell so much. Kurt's POV was expressed but quickly shut down with Blaine blaming him for cheating and later when Burt compares his own 1st marriage to Kurt's impending marriage proposal. "All You Need is Love" was as over the top as one could expect, it was sweet, but the writers should have had them rebuild their relationship and had this proposal happen right before their 1st long hiatus instead.
I watched it - but the writing was still weak.
The big Kurt / Blaine proposal - well Blaine is still in high school - and as you say - they were not even "back together" and now they are engaged.
Sue becoming principal - how stupid. She should be in jail for all her stunts....
I have never been a fan of Artie's singing - and he gets a major storyline and Sam was hardly in the show...
And as you say - they got rid of last years plot threads in 5 minutes....
The show continues to suffer from poor writing and the ratings are showing it - I think the Finn tribute show will do well but after that we will see the ratings slide even further.
I've given up- all the best parts of the show- pics of shirtless Chord, etc are posted on line- so there's no need to suffer throught the horrible dialogue/plot bs....I did hear Blaine proposed- saw a clip of it on you tube- it was nauseately sappy! Just because we can marry now- doesn't mean we all should-especially teenagers!
it's not that- I'm not the same person at 21 I was at 18- but, I really don't expect anything more from this pile of crap show! Sue is principal- a woman who bullies students/etc- in today's envirnoment.
I've always liked Glee but last season lost me. The show should have been renamed Misery. I read earlier in the thread the 2 shows should have been split and I absolutely agree. Keep Glee as the high school Glee group and a spin off in NY with the older characters.
I've not seen the new season yet, it's been shunted to one of the digital channels in Australia I didn't even know existed until last week.
Seriously @ Misery.
I thought I was too hard on the last season so earlier this summer I actually went back and watched seasons 1-3 again. My opinion remains (with some different views on some of the characters, singing voices, etc, which I won't bore with): season 1 was a really good solid season excluding the focus on Will and his wife faking her pregnancy, season 2 was the show at it's peak and kept me invested, season 3 was a snooze fest but had some of the best over all performances. Season 4 is just a mess and, yeah, they should have just done a whole new show with the graduates in NY. It looks like this split narrative is here to stay for awhile.
oh my god, I was swooning when Sam (my favorite character) sang my favorite Beatles song: "Something" (he needs to cut his hair though)
Am I the only one that likes Sam's hair? I'm not sure why, I just do. He's the only reason I watch it any more although they don't know what they're doing with his character at all. All they know to do with him is give him girls to chase. Personally I would much rather see Sam with Blaine than Kurt with Blaine.
But yeah, Glee hasn't improved. The tribute episode will pull high figures because everyone wants to see if they'll handle it well or not. The season so far has just introduced more characters and not solved anything that we were supposed to care about last season. We don't need the Cheerio's anymore, it's become such a cliché that all the cheerleaders there hate the Glee kids, that's four years ago and they needed to have developed a new storyline, not just redoing ones they've done a hundred times already.
Why can Glee not hold a storyline for longer than like two episodes (I'm being generous there)? Klaine get back together and get engaged within one episode. Kitty and Artie aren't together, then they're secret, then they're public all in one episode. Tina's mini diva moments only for her to be "grounded" every now and again are getting sick of it. Her character has just been a kind of "what the fuck do we do with her" since the others started leaving. I will say they've improved the NYC storyline though by not focusing so much on NYADA (because we don't need another school to follow with the same stereotypes and clichés). Hoping the diner situation will bring newer storylines (although are we betting at some point a new waiter will join and Rachel will fall madly in love with him?). Also Santana's scenes with Demi Lovato were far too rushed, they got together far too quickly too. Also, what happened to Ryder not being in Glee because of what Unique did? They referenced it in the opening episode but didn't explain why he's totally backtracked on his profound statement and hatred for Unique.
Very reluctant to say this but Sue has run her course. I still found moments where I laughed, a lot, at things she said but they just need a fresh character or to revisit her character because at the moment no one would be surprised if she did actually get away with murder. Also Glee has plot holes, major plot holes. This woman has been suspended for bringing a gun into school (a storyline that was dismissed very quickly) and yet she's the first one they go to when they need an interim principle? Wouldn't you appoint someone who wasn't already working at the school? I think people are getting sick of her never having any sort of repercussions, one of the best episodes for her was the funeral episode for her sister and we actually saw a real side to Sue.
I just don't care for Glee anymore. I'll read the "reviews" on AVClub and maybe watch the Finn tribute episode but season 4 killed anything I loved about the show. I feel that once Finn "left" because the writers wanted him and Rachel to be "endgame", they dumped that on Kurt and Blaine who are clearly not good for each other.
I think many people were in shock that Glee got renewed for 2 more seasons when many people thought it was gonna get canceled. At this rate, season 5 should end the show especially with the numbers they are pulling in now.
I will because I lost so many friends to substance abuse and this might be a nice closure.
I just noticed that they already selling the itunes songs of this.
so sad all around and I hoped better from the producers.
In all honesty, I didn't know who Cory was until he died. I've never watched a single episode of Glee, and I've only watched one YouTube clip which was posted here.
I won't be watching tonight.
I stopped watching regularly just before the end of season one.
It's just too sad to watch it now.
"You may only be one person to the world, but you may also be the world to one person"
- anonymous quote.
I will be crying like a baby tonight.
rip my friend
I haven't before, because it's so unappealing to me - don't see why a cast member dying would put me in the seat.
"I snuff their tongues, my heart a-flutter,
These words i speak are gates to Hell..."
I hope Finn's death isnt in a car accident. Thats too easy a way to kill him off. Quinn was in a car accident (but survived).
I think the episode will be done right and given the dignity that Corey Montieth deserves.
I just started watching Scandal because Ive heard so much about it. Its never too late to start watching Glee.
I started watching Glee after seeing this scene.
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I am waiting for it to come on.
I couldn't get my mind off you all day.
Yeah. I was going to watch it, but I realized I would pretty much rather watch anything else.
Sad story that he died, but that's not enough for me to watch that show.
I'll watch it tonight when it airs in Australia. I've not missed an episode of Glee - despite last season being as miserable as shit - and I won't miss this one.
I read a couple of reviews on Facebook about it. Sounds like it's going to be a seriously intense hour of TV for fans of the show.
Watched it, and thought it was very well done. How he died wasn't brought up, and didnt matter. Alot of tear jerker moments, the biggest being Mr Shoo balling his eyes out at the end.
One question........where was Quinn?
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Dianna Agron cheers herself up with trip to the hair salon and take-out after being 'excluded' from Glee tribute episode
By DEBBIE EMERY
It is never easy being told you are not liked, especially in front of the world, so Dianna Agron did what any girl would - she got her hair done.
The 27-year-old actress, who played Cory Monteith’s girlfriend on Glee for four seasons, was excluded from the tribute episode for the late star that airs on Thursday night due to 'intense dislike' for her, it was revealed this week.
Whether hurt by the rejection or just needing a touch-up, Agron went to a hair salon in Los Angeles on Wednesday night and left looking refreshed and ready for a night in with a take-out.
With her freshly-styled hair shining sleekly and her flawless complexion, Dianna was as primly dressed as cheerleader Quinn Fabray, who she portrayed on the Fox show.
Wearing a striped jumper, black blazer and with a large black handbag, she carried her brown bag of food in front of her.
The actress was dropped from the musical cast and does not appear in the current fifth season. Most recently she was said to have been left out of the heartfelt episode dedicated to Cory due to the wishes of both a current cast member and one of the show’s creators, according to RadarOnline.com.
The absence of Agron’s character Quinn in the series’ tributary episode has already drawn suspicion as she was integral to Monteith’s legacy on the show.
RadarOnline reported that a ‘high level source’ at Fox has revealed that Monteith’s real-life girlfriend Lea Michele and series co-creator Ryan Murphy ‘intensely dislike Dianna and have both worked to marginalise her as much as possible.’
While there is reportedly no love lost between Agron and her former co-stars, she is getting plenty of affection from her beau, Nick Mathers, and they seemed more interested in embracing one another than watching polo at the Veuve Clicquot Polo Classic in Los Angeles on Saturday.
With Mather's arms firmly around her waist and Agron's wrapped around his neck, the couple appeared to be waltzing across the field at the famous polo grounds.
The couple began dating in August, but already they seem to be getting serious, with Mathers reportedly 'telling all of his friends' about her, according to Us Weekly.
'It's pretty new, but it's serious,' a source told the magazine. Nick is amazing. He's a really super sweet, lovely guy.'
While her time on Glee is well and truly over, Agron is currently starring in The Family alongside Robert de Niro, Tommy Lee Jones and Michelle Pfeiffer, and was recently cast in the upcoming film, Pretenders.
Glee's Monteith tribute episode, The Quarterback, airs on Thursday, October 10 at 9 p.m. on Fox.
I didn't understand the focus on Santana. Gutsy of Lea Michelle to sing about her real life boyfriend / future husband. I don't know if I could have done that. It would have made more sense if Rachel took the jacket and the show ended with her crying into the jacket, not Mr. Shue. Or they should have ended on Finn's photo on the plaque.
No mention of how he died. Hmm
Ryan Murphy was quoted as saying the episode wasn't about how Finn died but how he lived, hence why they didn't go into details as to how Finn died.
The opening was good (Seasons of Love)
Like it or not, people will ask how Finn died (just as people do in life)
Not at all. I do feel that it is unfortunate that he has passed on, and that dedication made by Jane Lynch was sweet and heartfelt. But I will not watch as I just don't follow the series.
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Are the people who look and think like you ..." - Colours of the Wind by Vanessa Williams
I would rather watch Big Brother than this.
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Thanks for the info on Quinn. I wonder what thats all about? Interesting.
I will admit I actually watched last night's episode and I came very close to crying but ever since season 3, the "studio" has auto-tuned the voices to the point where all the emotion is in the lip syncing. It's a travesty to watch Rachel ball her eyes out on screen but her singing not have any waver. It feels far too hollow to bring me over that threshold to tears. Outside of the shitty plot writing, I think I hit the crux why so many feel turned off from the show now.
The episode was much better than I was expecting. Given that it's Glee I didn't really have high hopes but it was quite a nice tribute episode.
It wasn't without its flaws though and, as has already been mentioned, the auto-tuning done in the studio is a huge problem they need to sort out. I did notice when Rachel was crying, and even during Santana's performance in parts, the emotion they show on screen isn't coming through in the voice because they want the vocals to be perfect. Some moments felt out of place and should maybe have been left out, like Puck's storyline in general. They didn't focus enough on it so it just seemed like a child throwing a tantrum rather than someone grieving over their best friend. Or Tina's moment about wearing black was so two years ago. It felt wrong.
I liked that Sue stayed in character and was impressed they found a way to do that. I also liked that they didn't bring Rachel in until half way through, I didn't want it becoming a Rachel centred episode and I think they got around that well.
The main question I found myself asking, and only because I'm a huge fan of her, is why wasn't Dianna Agron there? I haven't read anything that said she wasn't going to appear for any particular reason but likewise I did expect her to turn up considering the amount of on screen time that Dianna had with Cory.
^That's a RL drama story between Diana and Ryan Murphy. Ryan basically flipped the bird ever since Diana refused to guest star on the New Normal when he asked her. So turnabout is fair play and she got sacked from Glee.
Don't mess with the Velvet Mafia of Hollywood.
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what I read was that Diana wasn't able to do the episode because she had already had committed contractual obligated promo engagments for her movie 'The Family'
Murphy has proven time and time again to be a vindictive little bitch!
I watched the show early on but as it got more over the top ridiculous and the auto-tuning went through the charts rarely watched, just saw some recommended clips. Murphy has fucked a great concept and should have been replaced years ago. Now "Glee" is at best a guilty pleasure and honestly haven't felt the desire to watch in a long time. Especially when following this thread over the past few years things have gotten worse. This show should have been gold but Murphy is a fucking egomaniac who simply isn't nearly as clever or talented as he thinks he is.
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Finally got to watch "The Quarterback." I thought the episode was pretty decent, it never hit me hard emotionally like I expected. (This coming from someone who had tears in my eyes watching the ending to Toy Story 3 or even worse during Imitation of LIfe.) Primarily because there was no actual reason for Finn's death so everything seemed contrived, overdramatic even. All we're told is "it doesn't matter how he died, but how he lived" but people die unexpectedly all the time for various reasons. I *can* understand why due to Cory's real life death (like Kurt alluded), but it didn't make this feel any less hollow from that standpoint.
Wasn't a fan of Puck & Beiste's scene in the locker room, sort of thought Santana carried way too much of the story, and didn't understand why Kurt & Blaine were on opposite ends of the choir room until the end. Did the writer's forget they're engaged now?
What I really liked, I thought the Hummel's in Finn's room was really well played. Carole's breakdown was as raw as it could get from a mother's standpoint, really one of the best performances. Watching Lea was hard as well, I think she has done a great job of carrying on like a pro. Like I mentioned weeks ago, I haven't felt like she's been phoning it in as Rachel she's been playing her every bit as obnoxious, entitled as ever without skipping a beat. But in this one she is completely broken and it was sad to see the contrast between the two.
Ultimately I was glad the focus was on the old New Directions and not Blam & Them, every episode should take note.
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I had not watched Glee since the spring of 2011.
Problem I have with series-television nowadays is that too many have become serialized. Not soap-opera in their content; but the approach of carry-overs, one storyline and another, from beginning to end of a given series. That gets to feel, for a viewer like me, as though it's a job.
With this Cory Monteith Tribute eppy of Glee, I felt there were at least two songs too many. And not having Dianna Agron, especially, and Heather Morris was lacking. It didn't feel right in connection with the history of the series and the relationships of the characters. And, though I understand the reason why the death of the character of Finn was not explained (as noted early by Kurt played by Chris Colfer), I still think the cause of the death of Finn should have become established. (I tend to think auto accident.)
I immediately removed this episode from my DVR. (I recorded it just in case I would not have been available as it aired.) And I don't intend to return to following Glee. I've moved on. But I am most sorry, in general and for human reasons, for the loss of this actor. I'm sorry he died.
^Car accident has been played out already. You missed the fucked up season 3 when Quinn got in a car accident on her way to Rachel and Finn's wedding due to texting on her blackberry. She was in a wheelchair for 2 episodes and shat all over Artie.
The problem with Murphy is he has good ideas but he doesn't know how to expound them. So the first one or two seasons are fine of any series he creates then everything falls to shit because he hasn't planned out any arcs.
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