Paul Donahoe article from Boston Globe

[PhunkSpunk]

http://www.boston.com/sports/college..._with_scandal/

"I am straight, but on the forums people make a lot of gay jokes about me," he says. "I'm not too concerned. They can talk about me all they want, it doesn't matter. If a guy wants to be with a guy, who cares?"

Saturday's the finals. Let's all pull for him

[AIM2PLEASE]

Go! Fratmen Nash

[PhunkSpunk]

He's the front page article on today's boston.com, with several photos:

http://www.boston.com/sports/college..._with_scandal/











Much hotter than any of Nash's pix posted on here, IMHO!

[jaxon29]

Interesting article. He's been pretty much on his own since he was a high school freshman. Seemed like a very honest, genuine interview.

[heartfly77]

Good article. It is a double standard because he posed on a gay website. I know plenty of girls who posed for Playboy's Hot Co-Eds and they were all fine. I wonder if he was on a straight porn site, if things would have been different. Besides, Nebraska allowed Tommy Lee to shoot his show there. I am sure that is a good example of good morals.

I hope he wins the NCAA again.

[PhunkSpunk]

It's remarkable: if you look at the comments on the article there are still a number of people who insist that he must be gay for doing a solo shoot, whereas chicks messing around with each other on 'Girls Gone Wild' are just straight girls being naughty.

One of these commentators goes by the name of bigteninches. think he's got some orientation issues?

[jaxon29]

He didn't even do any guy/guy posing, just a solo. No one else in the pix with him. If he'd posed for Playgirl, he'd have been hailed as a campus hunk. Oh well, his continued success at the new school is the best revenge.

[PhunkSpunk]

the article mentions that Fratmen was supposed to get rid of Paul's 'N wrestling' tattoo. I wonder if their failure to do so is behind 'Jasun's departure from that site. I hope they had to pay out: that's gross negligence.

[nqi312]

the article mentions that Fratmen was supposed to get rid of Paul's 'N wrestling' tattoo. I wonder if their failure to do so is behind 'Jasun's departure from that site. I hope they had to pay out: that's gross negligence.

Not to be too sarcastic but I think more people recognized Paul's face than his tattoo.

[AIM2PLEASE]

(all times Central)

Friday, March 20
10 a.m. - Quarterfinals (ESPNU, espn360.com)
6 p.m. - Semifinals (ESPN2, ESPNU, espn360.com)

Saturday, March 21
9:30 a.m. - Medal round (ESPNU, espn360.com)
5:30 p.m. - Finals (ESPN, espn360.com)

All 11 hours of coverage will be presented in HD.

ESPN360
will offer all four mats during the quarterfinals, and both mats during
the semifinals, allowing viewers to select the matches they want to
watch.


No excuses guys show your support

[Matthew]

the article mentions that Fratmen was supposed to get rid of Paul's 'N wrestling' tattoo. I wonder if their failure to do so is behind 'Jasun's departure from that site. I hope they had to pay out: that's gross negligence.

Phunk, Jasun left two+ months after this whole thing exploded. I think it's the responsibility of the person shooting the video to cover it up...In this case I believe John. I mean, I realize that gay guys are paying money hand over fist to watch these straight boys jerk off so money isn't an issue, but I don't think it would be cost or time efficient to shoot a video and then edit out a nice sized tattoo located damn near the center of attention.

You'll have to ask Jasun directly but I'm pretty sure he was just marketing and occasionally picked up the antics cam...once or twice.

[shotglass]

the article mentions that Fratmen was supposed to get rid of Paul's 'N wrestling' tattoo. I wonder if their failure to do so is behind 'Jasun's departure from that site. I hope they had to pay out: that's gross negligence.

Phunk, It's a given your like for the sport of wrestling and your admiration for Paul. Which is all good, make no mistake. But wrestling in the NCAA and posing nude and JO is another. So why place sole blame on John, Jasun or the corporate company. When does the willing actions of an individual(Paul) become his own responsibility. He admitted he was paid thousands of dollars to do the shoot. He also said he paid back that money to chairity. So he's accepted the responsibility. Blaming others is not his position. In fact, he's still keeps in touch with them. So why do you insist others should be punished? Or hope that they were.
Time to move forward.

[PhunkSpunk]

So why do you insist others should be punished? Or hope that they were.
Time to move forward.

I'm not insulting them! I'm just suggesting that there may have been a shake-up as a result of the fall-out from the Nebraska incident. Speculation is appropriate to these forums. In fact, it is what they are all about!

Apparently somebody made a representation to Paul that the 'N' tattoo on his thigh would be removed from the finished product. While normally I would say that his face was more likely to give him away, he goes to a school with an enrollment of something like 30,000. So but for the tattoo, I think it's unlikely that gay guys on campus would have made the connection between the well groomed hottie in the porn vid and the scrappy little guy with the tousled hair on the wrestling team. Something tells me not too many of them are fans.

[nqi312]

While normally I would say that his face was more likely to give him away, he goes to a school with an enrollment of something like 30,000. So but for the tattoo, I think it's unlikely that gay guys on campus would have made the connection between the well groomed hottie in the porn vid and the scrappy little guy with the tousled hair on the wrestling team.

Agreed -- the tattoo helped identify him to the UNL student body. But as has been stated probably thousands of times on these and other boards, it is naive of anyone to think that a "porn past" won't catch up with you at some point. Anonymity and the internet don't mix well.

[nqi312]

the article mentions that Fratmen was supposed to get rid of Paul's 'N wrestling' tattoo. I wonder if their failure to do so is behind 'Jasun's departure from that site. I hope they had to pay out: that's gross negligence.

I thought the article mentioned that Paul didn't think he did anything wrong by working with fratmen. Obviously the fallout wasn't what Paul expected -- but it doesn't sound like he is blaming fratmen for not protecting his identity.

[joparoke]

(all times Central)

Friday, March 20
10 a.m. - Quarterfinals (ESPNU, espn360.com)
6 p.m. - Semifinals (ESPN2, ESPNU, espn360.com)

Saturday, March 21
9:30 a.m. - Medal round (ESPNU, espn360.com)
5:30 p.m. - Finals (ESPN, espn360.com)

All 11 hours of coverage will be presented in HD.

ESPN360
will offer all four mats during the quarterfinals, and both mats during
the semifinals, allowing viewers to select the matches they want to
watch.


No excuses guys show your support

I know I'll be watching!

[PhunkSpunk]

I know I'll be watching!

I'll be at work. Any way to follow this on line?

[samsonite]

the article mentions that Fratmen was supposed to get rid of Paul's 'N wrestling' tattoo. I wonder if their failure to do so is behind 'Jasun's departure from that site. I hope they had to pay out: that's gross negligence.

That got me thinking, too. I'd love to hear John's response to Paul's claim.

Anyway, I've never told anyone this, but a couple of years ago a straight friend of mine was contacted by one of FMtv's recruiters via MySpace asking if he'd like to pose for the site. He showed me the message he got from them and I remember it distinctly saying that if he did agree to pose, no one will find out about it. Thankfully, he was smarter than to believe that and refused their offer. I just hope FMtv today clearly explains to all it's prospective models that THEY WILL be found out by friends, family, etc. if they agree to pose. Gays know their porn and unfortunately, most can't keep their mouth shut.

I'll be at work. Any way to follow this on line?

ESPN360.com is where you'll be able to follow it online...given that you're with a 360-affiliated ISP (Comcast is not one of them ). Check their site for more details.

[nqi312]

Anyway, I've never told anyone this, but a couple of years ago a straight friend of mine was contacted by one of FMtv's recruiters via MySpace asking if he'd like to pose for the site. He showed me the message he got from them and I remember it distinctly saying that if he did agree to pose, no one will find out about it.

Was your friend contacted by fratmen directly or by an agent that may book models for all kinds of websites?

Maybe years ago a college guy might think that he would never be recognized on a website like fratmen. But college aged people have grown up with the internet. There is just no way that someone could believe today a line like "nobody will ever find out if you pose on this site." Am I being naive or do these guys know deep down that someone is going to find out?

[cryan71]

Dirk Yates used to tell the marines and sailors he filmed the same thing -- that noone will see this. I understand other Marines were told that the videos would be released after they got out.

And of course, none of the promises were ever kept by the porn producers.

[joparoke]

A 20 y.o. straight friend of mine was also recruited by fratmen after they saw him on a social webcam site. He said a couple of other "straight guy themed" sites contacted him, but fratmen was by far the most aggressive. He asked me if I had ever heard of them, since he only checks out hetero porn online and was not familiar with any of the gay sites. I told him how popular fratmen is and he was shocked because he had considered doing the shoot, thinking that no one would ever find out about it. This was 5 months ago - November 2008.

I bet a lot of young straight guys think this way. Since they probably don't socialize much with gay men, and have no reason to check out gay porn on the internet, they honestly don't realize how much exposure is at risk. I imagine a free trip to California and a wad of cash in their pockets is fairly tempting under the right circumstances.

[wtpotus]

http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos...D1-2009Bracket

#1 @ 125 -

Bye - D;4-2 - D;13-7 - Into the Friday morning Quarterfinals -

[belamy]

I told him how popular fratmen is and he was shocked because he had considered doing the shoot, thinking that no one would ever find out about it.

I hope your friend is not really that attractive

[belamy]

Was your friend contacted by fratmen directly or by an agent that may book models for all kinds of websites?

Maybe years ago a college guy might think that he would never be recognized on a website like fratmen. But college aged people have grown up with the internet. There is just no way that someone could believe today a line like "nobody will ever find out if you pose on this site." Am I being naive or do these guys know deep down that someone is going to find out?

I guess that, in the mind of some people, the kind of people who won't mind about there being gay people as long as they keep their business secret, the gay world is still a shady, mysterious underground world, like shitting: you know everybody poops, but nobody expects it to be a public business.

[belamy]

That got me thinking, too. I'd love to hear John's response to Paul's claim.

Anyway, I've never told anyone this, but a couple of years ago a straight friend of mine was contacted by one of FMtv's recruiters via MySpace asking if he'd like to pose for the site. He showed me the message he got from them and I remember it distinctly saying that if he did agree to pose, no one will find out about it. Thankfully, he was smarter than to believe that and refused their offer. I just hope FMtv today clearly explains to all it's prospective models that THEY WILL be found out by friends, family, etc. if they agree to pose. Gays know their porn and unfortunately, most can't keep their mouth shut.

Sure, like the closeted bigot who got a hotdog-seller fired because he was outraged that he was being served by a gay porn model.

[PhunkSpunk]

Anyway, I've never told anyone this, but a couple of years ago a straight friend of mine was contacted by one of FMtv's recruiters via MySpace asking if he'd like to pose for the site. He showed me the message he got from them and I remember it distinctly saying that if he did agree to pose, no one will find out about it.

"Aggressive' is the right word, jparoke. I know a guy who was contacted by them on myspace, too. At first they told him that never of their models had ever had a problem with being found out: 'our clients are gay men'. He told them he'd think about it. He'd all but forgotten when they hit on him again. They sweetened the pot by like $1,000. They went on to say something like 'several of our models report becoming very popular with the girls after modeling!' He responded 'I thought you said that only gay men watched your stuff.' They never got back to him.

[cryan71]

Many porn producers are notorious liars.

Fratmen's owner didn't miss one media interview about the Paul Donahoe incident, making sure always to mention the name of his website.

[wtpotus]

http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos...D1-2009Bracket

Paul won his Friday morning Quarterfinal match, 7-3 -

He's into the Friday night Semifinal match against #12 seed -

#2 and #3 seeds face off in the other Semifinal match -

[JasunStrikesBack]

Many porn producers are notorious liars.

Fratmen's owner didn't miss one media interview about the Paul Donahoe incident, making sure always to mention the name of his website.

OK, you know what? I was going to keep quiet because I really don't give a shit what crap people are going to believe and it's not my battle to fight.

But that's just not true. John went SO far out of his way NOT to make money off of that whole thing. He deleted the DVDs, revoked license from all affiliates to prevent ANY promotion of the movies, took them out of the web site tour, called up everyone from CNN to Out Sports to Perez Hilton to get images removed from their sites. He pulled all videos from all tubes sites and sent out letters to everyone telling them that if they promoted Nash and Cal using real names that they would sacrifice any commissions they had earned.

John did ONE interview out of the hundreds that were offered to him.

He would have been 100% within his rights to send out huge promotional campaigns, make banner ads, take out full page ads and rush the DVDs to retail. He could have done what Dirty Boy Video did when one of their models was on "The Real Life" and made a huge campaign right on the home page. But he didn't. John could have made bank on that whole thing and he was more interested with getting the guys reinstated on their teams and appeasing the NCAA. He lost money on the whole thing.

I don't work for John anymore and I have nothing to lose by telling you the truth. If you were a member of the site you'd know that the video in question was edited to digitally blur out the tattoo from any viewing. It's not in any of the accompanying photographs that were made available to promoters and those pictures were pulled from the promo kits anyway.

John, no matter what anyone might say about him, did the right thing in this situation. He doesn't deserve claims like yours. I can't stand by and see him smeared in public so unfairly.

[nqi312]

It's probably true that many porn producers lie. But the models probably have a level of narcissism that allows them to believe what they know is a lie.

As many of you have said, you have friends who were contacted by websites -- and your friends didn't believe the hype.

[nqi312]

Before I suffer Jasun's wrath for my last post, I saw John talk about the whole situation on fratpad when it was happening. I agree that fratmen didn't take the opportunity to cash in on Nash and Cal.

[belamy]

OK, you know what? I was going to keep quiet because I really don't give a shit what crap people are going to believe and it's not my battle to fight.

But that's just not true. John went SO far out of his way NOT to make money off of that whole thing. He deleted the DVDs, revoked license from all affiliates to prevent ANY promotion of the movies, took them out of the web site tour, called up everyone from CNN to Out Sports to Perez Hilton to get images removed from their sites. He pulled all videos from all tubes sites and sent out letters to everyone telling them that if they promoted Nash and Cal using real names that they would sacrifice any commissions they had earned.

John did ONE interview out of the hundreds that were offered to him.

He would have been 100% within his rights to send out huge promotional campaigns, make banner ads, take out full page ads and rush the DVDs to retail. He could have done what Dirty Boy Video did when one of their models was on "The Real Life" and made a huge campaign right on the home page. But he didn't. John could have made bank on that whole thing and he was more interested with getting the guys reinstated on their teams and appeasing the NCAA. He lost money on the whole thing.

I don't work for John anymore and I have nothing to lose by telling you the truth. If you were a member of the site you'd know that the video in question was edited to digitally blur out the tattoo from any viewing. It's not in any of the accompanying photographs that were made available to promoters and those pictures were pulled from the promo kits anyway.

John, no matter what anyone might say about him, did the right thing in this situation. He doesn't deserve claims like yours. I can't stand by and see him smeared in public so unfairly.

and THIS... ... will be the night... the lights... went out... in JUB.

[joparoke]

http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos...D1-2009Bracket

Paul won his Friday morning Quarterfinal match, 7-3 -

He's into the Friday night Semifinal match against #12 seed -

#2 and #3 seeds face off in the other Semifinal match -

If Paul can get past Robles in the semifinals tonight, then he will most likely face #2 seed Nickerson, who has been steamrolling through his draw, in the finals on Saturday. Hopefully Paul can take of business today and really shine in primetime tomorrow.

I know I'll be watching! (ESPN 6:30 PM ET)

[joparoke]

I hope your friend is not really that attractive

Yep, he really is that attractive.

Eat your heart out belamy!

[belamy]

Yep, he really is that attractive.

Eat your heart out belamy!

Proof! That's something each one of us must decide, otherwise... I've been told I'm attractive too because that's something you can say of ANYONE... even of Jake.Cruise

[joparoke]

Proof! That's something each one of us must decide, otherwise... I've been told I'm attractive too because that's something you can say of ANYONE... even of Jake.Cruise

Nah, belamy, I'm not taking the bait.

Unlike Paul Donahoe, who signed a contract to have his image made available to the public, my friend has not. I'd never post a pic of him without his permission.

Like I said before, he was contacted by several top-notch sites. You've seen the quality of guys that work for these places. They are college-age, athletic types that give good face. Suffice it to say that my friend would fit right in.

P.S. Using 'Jake Cruise' and 'attractive' in the same sentence qualifies as word vomit in my book. Let's keep it clean ok? haha

[wtpotus]

If Paul can get past Robles in the semifinals tonight

I know I'll be watching! (ESPN 6:30 PM ET)

Just to add way more drama to tonight's match, here's a story on Anthony Robles -

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...D?OpenDocument

[belamy]

Nah, belamy, I'm not taking the bait.

Unlike Paul Donahoe, who signed a contract to have his image made available to the public, my friend has not. I'd never post a pic of him without his permission.

It's not a bait, silly man, I'm showing your total lack of credibility. Your friend is not hot since there's no real evidence, besides your particular and biased opinion, indicating the contrary

[belamy]

Just to add way more drama to tonight's match, here's a story on Anthony Robles -

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...D?OpenDocument

What! they are one-legged? is that some sort of paracompetition?

[joparoke]

Paul Donahoe just won his semifinal match and will now wrestle #2 seed Nickerson in the national championship finals tomorrow. I hope Paul wins the title (as he predicted) and silences his critics/doubters/haters once and for all!

[belamy]

[joparoke]

Your friend is not hot since there's no real evidence, besides your particular and biased opinion, indicating the contrary

Honestly, belamy, I don't care if you believe me or not. I have no reason to lie or embellish. It is what it is.

So please quit perving for a pic of my good-looking friend alright? It's not gonna happen. Deal with it.

[belamy]

[quote=joparoke]Honestly, belamy, I don't care if you believe me or not. [/quote]Like I care about you and your trashy friend

I have no reason to lie or embellish. It is what it is

Yeah, I know what it is

So please quit perving for a pic of my good-looking friend alright? It's not gonna happen. Deal with it.

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Average-Guy-Attractive

[MarcoR]

Belamy, you are RUDE and a bit slow-witted. You should post a lot less.

[belamy]

belamy, you are RUDE and a bit slow-witted. You should post a lot less.

You should try not to tell others what they should do

[AIM2PLEASE]

Check out Fratmen Nash Interview after day 1 of the tourney...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMi3u4Mzgc[/ame]

[joparoke]

Paul Donahoe just lost to Troy Nickerson (2-1 OT) in the 125# wrestling National Championship title match.

Tied at 1-1 at the end of regulation and sudden death period, Donahoe was penalized for clasping his hands together in the first overtime, a technical violation. Nickerson was awarded a point, making the score 2-1. Donahoe could not overcome this difference in the second overtime period and lost the match.

Congrats to Paul just the same. He has had an outstanding college wrestling career.

Once a champion ... ALWAYS A CHAMPION !

[dman9924]

He is indeed a champion. To place in the top three, three years in a row is an awesome accomplishment. The way he has faced the controversy about his Fratmen shoot makes me admire him all the more. What grace and courage and I wish him all the best. I expect to see him at the Olympics next.