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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Fred Phelps probably did more for Gay Rights in this country than just about anybody.
    If anything, he probably should be thanked for all of his hard work.
    The law of unintended consequences.


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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    The law of unintended consequences.
    Truly noted....more wisdom.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Phelps was a freak.

    He wasn't the face of homophobia in America.

    He wasn't the voice of religious Fundamentalism.

    He wasn't even a member of a bonafide Primitive Baptist congregation as he and his church off-shoot from Southern Baptists alleged.

    He was a cult leader, in the classic model of cult leaders everywhere. They start with some conventional following, ramp it up to the extreme, make their followers forsake all to follow, and then lead them down a path to one-man-rule and obvious lunacy.

    Obsessing about him was misguided when he lived, and petty in his hour of death. Although he merits no particular respect or such, his message wasn't any inspiration to any except those who already hated gays. Suggesting that somehow young or impressionable minds looked up, saw Westboro, and thought "Hell, YEAH!" is simple-minded beyond belief.

    And, contrary to the hysterical Marys going on about hate speech, the incidence of physical gay-bashing is actually down from the past, so printing words on placards has not produced some swelling movement that is moving toward a kristallnacht event. To the contrary, it is indeed the American freedom of speech poster child. A group that truly represents no one is allowed to peacefully demonstrate, to air an odious and offensive idea, but no more than just that. They didn't attack gay men physically. They didn't cause anti-gay laws or violence to increase where they made their forays, and they magically alienated their most likely allies (military families) by targeting their funerals.

    They were and are kooks every bit as much as any other such cult.

    Phelps is dead, as is David Koresh, as is Jim Jones, as will be Charles Manson. It's a blip, not an end of an era, not a milestone in gay rights, not a sea change.

    So, go ahead. Jerk off one for the Fredster and chalk it up to mental masturbation.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS :: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, near death

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Fuck you old man.
    Tsk.

    Sic Transit Sercus.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    I hope his hospice nurse was gay.

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    Fred Phelps died for your sins.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Fred Phelps died for your sins.
    He couldn't even die for his own.

    But his depth of evil can make one wonder if even the infinitely valuable life of God the Son given in his place is sufficient to cover it.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    OK, this article is a couple days old, but from a 'local' news site, The Topeka Capital-Journal.

    http://cjonline.com/news/2014-03-20/...ps-dead-age-84

    While Phelps-Roper wouldn’t comment on funeral plans, another member of the family said later Thursday there would be no service.

    “There will not be a funeral,” Margie Jean Phelps, the oldest daughter of Phelps Sr., said during an interview with WIBW 580 AM. “The funeral (in general) has become the No. 1 idol of Americans.”

    It appears Fred has ended up denying himself a funeral of any kind. Cool. Seems the Phelps family will spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders - fearful - as it should be.



    Following other links on that site, it looks like Shirley has been pushed aside, too, with the latest internal power struggle.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    BTW, I quite like the shape of this marker.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post




    And leaving it blank might be a good idea, too.

    Of course, with those jagged bits sticking up, it's much less likely Fred's marker would get the tea-bagging his mother's stone received. . . . . I wonder if I still have that cute tea-bagger's picture . . .

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    Re: Phelps is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Indeed. (You beat me to it.) WBC is still alive and well.
    Maybe not.

    The church is now saying Fred was "excommunicated" for recommending kindness. This seems unlikely, especially since Phelps WAS the Westboro Baptists Church and his followers his family. So what they seem to be trying to do is to suggest he had a change of heart at the last minute, in order to salvage his image for the future. And if they were all intent on continuing his old ways now that he's gone, they wouldn't be trying to soften his reputation for history.

    If he had any money, they were probably trying to stay in his will.

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    Re: Phelps is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck69 View Post
    Maybe not.

    The church is now saying Fred was "excommunicated" for recommending kindness. This seems unlikely, especially since Phelps WAS the Westboro Baptists Church and his followers his family. So what they seem to be trying to do is to suggest he had a change of heart at the last minute, in order to salvage his image for the future. And if they were all intent on continuing his old ways now that he's gone, they wouldn't be trying to soften his reputation for history.

    If he had any money, they were probably trying to stay in his will.

    From what I've been reading, the only kindness he was encouraging was kindness amongst the church elders - toward each other - not toward anyone outside the cult.

    They may well be devouring themselves from the inside.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    I'm glad to hear there will be no funeral.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    No funeral service.

    Color me fucking SHOCKED. Cowards.
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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    No funeral service.

    Color me fucking SHOCKED. Cowards.
    They don't want some of us to piss on his grave.
    Last edited by backagain; March 22nd, 2014 at 04:33 PM.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    I will say that his family has always intrigued me ... for someone who was so staunch in his defense of the rights of Blacks and their treatment in this country and then his purported attitude towards Gays.

    I honestly think the Phelps Family and their reasons for the pickets is far more complicated than what appearances suggest on the surface.

    I would be willing to wager that they don't really have nearly as negative an opinion about Gays than what they want you to think. I think the pickets, the videos they post online, etc. is done for two reasons:

    1) Fred Phelps is an absolute whore for attention and he found an issue that was sure to give him attention ... and he simply turned up the heat on that issue 1,000% to ensure he stayed in the spotlight.

    2) They did pickets to provoke people into attacking them so they could sue them in court (they are an entire family of lawyers after all). This helped fund their activities in addition to their law practice.

    I think there is a lot more to them than meets the eye. I can't say whether they are truly closet supporters of Gay rights and are simply doing these things to boost public awareness and make the issue the center of attention ... but I definitely don't think they all hate Gays like they may want everyone to believe.

    Keep in mind, when the cameras are on, they are all "in-character" and all of them are putting on a show.
    Last edited by MystikWizard; March 22nd, 2014 at 05:07 PM.
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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    but I definitely don't think they all hate Gays like they may want everyone to believe.
    It is April 1st already?

    What are you seeing that I'm not seeing? Or what am I seeing that you're not seeing?

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    No funeral service.

    Color me fucking SHOCKED. Cowards.

    Yes. And hypocrites. Don't forget hypocrites.

    This was also in the Topeka article.

    A daughter of Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist, politely said it was “none of your business” when asked whether members of Phelps’ family had been present when he died Wednesday night and whether a funeral would be conducted.

    'None of your business'? Really?

    But other people's funerals . . . two men getting married . . . ? ? ?

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    No funeral service.

    Color me fucking SHOCKED. Cowards.
    Not cowards -- cheapskates. Funerals cost money, and their whole cult is about money.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    It is April 1st already?

    What are you seeing that I'm not seeing? Or what am I seeing that you're not seeing?
    Sometimes, people don't do things for the reasons they purport. For a family that goes out to picket all over the country on countless times of the year ... at soldier's funerals, celebrity funerals, etc. .... do you think they are truly going out because they hate gay people, or are they more so going out because they want attention and are a bunch of attention whores? What do you think is the main reason they go out of their way and through all that trouble to do what they do?

    My opinion of why Fred Phelps and why the family did/do what they do changed when I watched Phelps interact with Michael Moore on camera. It almost seemed like he was playing around with a group of gay guys Moore brought on a bus and was clearly playing to the camera. It just became telling to me that this was more about getting attention than it was about his true opinion about gays.
    Last edited by MystikWizard; March 22nd, 2014 at 11:49 PM.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    .
    On the third day, has anyone from Westboro planned on rolling back the stone? Just askin'.


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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    Im just curious how Mr. Phelps is answering to the Lord for his behavior, cause he does have some 'splainin to do.
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    Re: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Dies at age 84

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/24...e-fred-phelps/
    A US-based band has caused controversy by selling t-shirts featuring an image of the late founder of the Westboro Baptist Church, which is famous for its ‘God Hates Fags’, slogan, along with the words “good riddance”.

    What a great way to make something good out of someone evil

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    Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    I looked for that thread about the old man on death bed but this is so good it needs its own thread.
    How Nathan got out of that horrendous cult is beyond me. This can only be good for the LBGT.


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    Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    Let every mention of his name and of his church be a constant reminder of the tremendous good we are all capable of doing in our communities. Nathan Phelps
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    Re: Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    Good words from Nathan.

    If only he could muzzle his sister.

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    Re: Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    From the OP cite:

    Even more, I mourn the ongoing injustices against the LGBT community, the unfortunate target of his 23 year campaign of hate.

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    Yeah, I loved the whole thing/
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    Re: Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    Surprising that I haven't seen other people mention that if they had kept their hate limited to gay people, they may have been taken more seriously by some...but when they started involving soldiers, deadly weather, cancer, etc. as being caused by gay people, or deserving to die because gay people are accepted ("Thank God for dead soldiers"), etc., they became such a parody of garden-variety hate that nearly everybody realized their vitriol and bile was entirely blown out of proportion and wrong. Even people who are antigay often realized this.

    The Phelps clan did a better job than any other group of people who have ever lived, to show the entire country (from sea to shining sea) that the belief that gay people will cause the complete collapse of humanity, is nothing but a pack of lies.
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    Re: Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    All nice & good, but why didn't he speak up when the bastard was still living?
    It might have been more believable.

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    Re: Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    Maybe he did, but who would have listened? I heard an interview with a girl who'd been in the cult, the crap she was talking about was pretty horrific, it was on PBS, I never saw any of that ever anywhere else but that one time.
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    Re: Nathan Phelps issues statement on the death of his father

    I posted this in the political forum but noone has seen it. You have to look at it.



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    Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma
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    To commemorate the occasion, Moore Liquor decided to have a champagne sale and posted a sign reading, "Fred Phelps 1929–2014, Champagne 10% off! Not a coincidence."

    I think it would be a good thing to find out if the store takes out-of-state orders. Although Oklahoma is generally one of the least appealing states in the nation, and I don't intend to visit, Moore Liquor has earned my support.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Hardly the quietest way to acknowledge his passing.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Did y'all see the poltoon about Phelps going to Heaven? His roommates will be Adam and Steve.
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Yeah, like they have champagne in Oklahoma.
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    They can't take the TRUTH.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    well if I'm ever in Oklahoma will have to pick up a bottle of Pinot Grigio or Patron Tequila at that liquor store.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Be one of the few times I would gladly support a business in Oklahoma.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    I will stop in at Moore's if I ever have the occasion to be stranded in Oklahoma. I like these people.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    Yeah, like they have champagne in Oklahoma.
    Bet they have Cold Duck, that poor fad of the '70's.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Bet they have Cold Duck, that poor fad of the '70's.
    Would that be from a Cold Duck Dynasty?

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    If that clan-from-one-state-north-of-Oklahoma has any popularity anywhere, Okla. is certainly one place I could expect some of that. (Yes, I'll still visit there - and willingly, too.)
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Sue THAT!, Phelps Clan.

    Boo-hoo, oh your POOR people. Somebody said something baaaaaad about your daddy or whatever incestuous kin he was to you. Come here, I'll just hold you, just release, you can even cry if you want, I'm here unconditionally for you - ALL of you - and I'm about to send you $10,000,000 to expand your wonderful minis...

    OH FUCK IT, I WAS ON THE **WRONG PAGE**. My bad. So...

    They'll laugh you out of court. (uhhh...I hope...)

    [NOT drunk at all non-alcohol post that masquerades as a drunk post, haha]
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    They should offer 20% off on the protest day to help even more customers see Fred off in style.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    My hats off (or any other saying of similar meaning, from any century), seems like a good place to patronize? But under what-the-hell circumstances will I ever have any need to buy alcohol while in the OKC area? Oh well, but that is heartening.

    Meanwhile, is part of Oklahoma City still re-electing Sally Kern (in 2012)? She's a real piece of work. Is this location in Moore in her state district? If it is, what delicious irony, almost what a friend of mine would call a "DPJ" or Divine Practical Joke.

    Oklahoma state Rep. Sally Kern (R) ... Homosexuality Is ‘More Dangerous’ Than Terrorist Attacks Because We Have To Deal With It Every Day"
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    They should offer 20% off on the protest day to help even more customers see Fred off in style.
    If there is one thing I have never wanted to do, that would be to help Fred get off.
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    * Drinks Bottle of Champagne from cellar*

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Must admit I was in two minds when Phelps snuffed it.

    Part of me wanted his death to be completely ignored.
    Part of me wanted his corpse painted in rainbow glitter and used as a piñata at the nearest gay pride event.
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    I'm glad the fake sanctimonious "respect" trend is now gone from the discussions of Phelps' death.
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    any day the WBC gets egg on their faces is a GOOD day

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...usaolp00000592

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church to picket Oklahoma liquor store over sign mocking Fred Phelps' death

    Quote Originally Posted by smokeshadow View Post
    any day the WBC gets egg on their faces is a GOOD day

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...usaolp00000592
    Would that be better with, or without, real eggs?

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