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    Daschle: Delinquent Personal Taxes [MERGED]

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    President Obama’s pick for secretary of health and human services, Tom Daschle, filed amended tax returns and paid more than $100,000 in back taxes on Jan. 2, administration officials said on Friday.

    Mr. Daschle concluded that he owed the taxes for free use of a car and driver that had been provided to him by Leo Hindery Jr., the founder of a private equity firm known as InterMedia Advisors, the officials said.
    First Timothy Geithner, now Tom Daschle.

    Does any Democrat pay taxes?

    Now I know why Obama want to raise taxes. Its doesnt matter to his associates, they dont pay taxes.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Should anyone be surprised?
    ~What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.~

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by justapixel View Post
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    First Timothy Geithner, now Tom Daschle.

    Does any Democrat pay taxes?

    Now I know why Obama want to raise taxes. Its doesnt matter to his associates, they dont pay taxes.
    So much for change. Same old Clinton/Democrat crew, same old crooks who think they can get away with anything.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    New Obama slogan:

    Change you can't see!


    I guess it's just the emperor's new change.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Errr, didn't it say that he just paid 100,000 dollars in back taxes, which makes your statement null and void?

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by justapixel View Post
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    First Timothy Geithner, now Tom Daschle.

    Does any Democrat pay taxes?

    Now I know why Obama want to raise taxes. Its doesnt matter to his associates, they dont pay taxes.
    Didn't that post just say that he PAID those taxes?

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight77 View Post
    Didn't that post just say that he PAID those taxes?
    Yes, but would he have done so were it not for the appointment?

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Yes, but would he have done so were it not for the appointment?
    Maybe he might not have, maybe he would, we won't know for sure.

    But again, doesn't the fact that he DID pay the taxes make the whole point of this thread null and void?

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by Glafna View Post
    Maybe he might not have, maybe he would, we won't know for sure.

    But again, doesn't the fact that he DID pay the taxes make the whole point of this thread null and void?
    Not at all. Someone appointed to high office should be above reproach which, clearly, he is not.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    So why didn't he pay them in the first place? It took him 3 years to get to it?
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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Ummm

    The point is Open your EYESApril 15th comes , Can I just say ...well I will pay this in a year or three ?

    I support Capitalism. I pay my car loan & credit card ,utilities when they are due and my TAXES.

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    So when someones in office and they dont pay taxes its alright, no biggy. but if i dont pay then i get fucked in the ass. (which i like, but you know what i mean...)
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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Being aware that you owe taxes on the free use of a car isn't common. It may just be that he had someone check his records, and it caught him by surprise.

    I borrowed some equipment for a job I did once, and didn't find out until the next year that it counted as "income" -- and I only caught that because Turbo tax caught it retroactively.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by justapixel View Post

    Does any Democrat pay taxes?
    Yes.... I am a demorcat, and I have to pay this year.. And, I will. Of course, I'll wait till the last possible minute, but thats besides the point

    Now I know why Obama want to raise taxes. Its doesnt matter to his associates, they dont pay taxes.
    Ummmm...but the article said he DID pay them...eventually
    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Yes, but would he have done so were it not for the appointment?
    There is no way to know that. Maybe, maybe not. He definately would not be the first and will not be the last POLITICIAN to cheat the system. Notice I did not say republican or democrat, because *BOTH* do it.

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    ^^ i suppose if like kulindahr said, that sometimes use of free items isnt known as income then i guess that would be understandable but i guess we'll never know since our government seems so corrupt. (yes even with the new obama administration)
    but thank you kulindahr, i didn't know that
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    Quote Originally Posted by letme View Post
    Ummm

    The point is Open your EYESApril 15th comes , Can I just say ...well I will pay this in a year or three ?

    I support Capitalism. I pay my car loan & credit card ,utilities when they are due and my TAXES.
    Wow.

    That almost made sense.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by justapixel View Post

    Does any Democrat pay taxes?

    Now I know why Obama want to raise taxes. Its doesnt matter to his associates, they dont pay taxes.
    No but they do tax everyone else so they can fill themselves with a sense of false pride and power as they create social programs destined to fail.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Point is Drewfus

    I know what I owe and what I have to pay & When

    Point is.........so did HE. And HE DID NOT.......

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    If he were a Conservative, the press would slay him. More double standard from your liberal press. They give every democrat a pass.

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    he might not have known all of what he had to pay but it was probably just a mistake. i know that i wouldnt ever think a free ride would count as income. i would totally pass that if i wasnt using some pc program tax help, which i dont.
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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by CO Bob View Post
    If he were a Conservative, the press would slay him. More double standard from your liberal press. They give every democrat a pass.
    Uh huh. Proof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyflorida81 View Post
    No but they do tax everyone else so they can fill themselves with a sense of false pride and power as they create social programs destined to fail.
    Whether they "fail" depends on what you think the purpose is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jJoEd77 View Post
    he might not have known all of what he had to pay but it was probably just a mistake. i know that i wouldnt ever think a free ride would count as income. i would totally pass that if i wasnt using some pc program tax help, which i dont.
    It gets crazy.

    If I borrow a truck, it counts as income, but I get to take mileage or gas.
    If I rent a truck, that's an expense, and I still get to take mileage.
    So if I have to do something like that in the future, and know where to borrow one, I "rent" it for dirt....


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    Daschle's a Tax Cheat Too

    Daschle Owed Back Taxes That Exceeded $128,000

    Former Senator Paid Days Before First Confirmation Hearing

    Thomas A. Daschle, nominated to be secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, did not pay more than $128,000 in taxes over three years, a revelation that poses a potential obstacle to his Senate confirmation.

    The back taxes, along with $12,000 in interest and penalties, involved unreported consulting fees, questionable charitable contributions, and a car and driver provided by a private equity firm run by entrepreneur and longtime Democratic Party donor Leo J. Hindery Jr., according to a confidential draft report prepared by Senate Finance Committee staff. ...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...013003793.html


    Will Obama defend Daschle the way he defended his other tax dodger appointee? Or toss him under the bus?

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    He will be confirmed. It is sad tho.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Being aware that you owe taxes on the free use of a car isn't common. It may just be that he had someone check his records, and it caught him by surprise.

    I borrowed some equipment for a job I did once, and didn't find out until the next year that it counted as "income" -- and I only caught that because Turbo tax caught it retroactively.
    Perhaps, but someone like Tommy D who has operated at the highest levels of Government for years is expected to be aware of such things, or to have advisors who are.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It gets crazy.

    If I borrow a truck, it counts as income, but I get to take mileage or gas.
    If I rent a truck, that's an expense, and I still get to take mileage.
    So if I have to do something like that in the future, and know where to borrow one, I "rent" it for dirt....

    Better check with your tax accountant.
    You can only take mileage if you actually own the vehicle, if you borrow or rent it you only get actual out of pocket operating costs plus the rental cost (if any).

    Unless, of course, the rules have changed in the past 7 years.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Here we go again.

    Obama supporters defending someone who doesn't deserve it, to protect their Dear Leader.



    We are responsible for paying taxes on cash, goods and services received in compensation for our "work" (I put that in quotes because it's not clear what "work" Daschle did in exchange for that car and driver). It's our responsibility to know that. Ignorance of the law is not a legitimate defense. Either Daschle knew he was supposed to pay those taxes and cheated or he didn't know something it's his responsibility to know -- either way he's not suitable for the important position Obama has appointed him to.

    Daschle paid three years of back taxes 6 days before his confirmation hearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. More than $128,000 in back taxes; that's substantial. And there's apparently more:

    He is considering amending his tax returns a second time because he did not pay Medicare taxes on the additional taxable income he incurred related to his use of the Cadillac. Finance panel staff members found that lapse.

    That Daschle only paid those taxes 6 days before his confirmation hearing makes it pretty obvious he only paid them because Obama nominated him to a visable high-ranking position in the Executive Branch and the vetting process discovered it.

    A White House aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Daschle's tax problems were "discovered during the vetting process, and the Obama team became aware of it as Senator Daschle prepared to submit his nomination papers."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...013003793.html

    Obama knew about Daschle's tax "problem," and yet didn't withdraw his nomination or make this public. That speaks volumes about Obama's promises about ethics and transparency.

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    The other thing that's stinky about this is the big money Daschle suddenly started raking in after he lost his Senate seat, and the sources he earned it from.


    In addition to earning $2.1 million from the law firm Alston & Bird, the former three-term senator has also been on the payroll of Hindery's private equity firm, InterMedia Advisors, since he left the Senate in 2005, earning $1 million per year, according to documents filed with the Office of Government Ethics. ...

    The central issue for Daschle hinges on what has been an obscure -- but financially rewarding -- aspect of his post-Senate life: his role as chairman of the advisory board of Hindery's InterMedia Advisors.

    Daschle and two other former senators -- Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.) and Slade Gorton (R-Wash.) -- headed the board and were rewarded handsomely for the investments InterMedia made in small niche media corporations.

    Founded as InterMedia Partners, the New York-based firm was recast in March 2005 when Daschle was brought in as an investor and head of the advisory board. That group consists of other major Democratic figures, including Cappy R. McGarr, who runs a Dallas investment firm and served as Daschle's political treasurer, and Bernard L. Schwartz, a former chief executive of Loral Corp. and a major Democratic donor.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...013003793.html

    Is this legal? Sure.

    Is it the kind of choice we expect from people appointed by the Change Candidate who promised a more ethical and transparent government? I don't think so. Our character informs our choices, and the nature of our choices tend to be consistent.

    Daschle's wife, Linda, was a highly paid (millions) lobbyist while Daschle was a Senator and Majority or Minority Leader. They said it was okay because Linda lobbied in the House, but her lobbying income was part of what Senator Daschle lived on.

    Again, is all this legal? Sure. But whether or not these kinds of choices are in line with the ethics promised and expected from the Change Candidate is another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickCole View Post
    Is this legal? Sure.

    Is it the kind of choice we expect from people appointed by the Change Candidate who promised a more ethical and transparent government? I don't think so. Our character informs our choices, and the nature of our choices tend to be consistent.

    Daschle's wife, Linda, was a highly paid (millions) lobbyist while Daschle was a Senator and Majority or Minority Leader. They said it was okay because Linda lobbied in the House, but her lobbying income was part of what Senator Daschle lived on.

    Again, is all this legal? Sure. But whether or not these kinds of choices are in line with the ethics promised and expected from the Change Candidate is another story.
    I mostly agree with you Nick and would add Mrs. Clinton's name to the list of cabinet members who should be tossed.

    I don't see the need to possibly muddy our foreign policy waters with the inevitable appearance of impropriety when the SoS's hubby is raking in the money from foreign countries.

    As you say 'is it legal' sure but is this what we should have expected from our 'change candidate'?

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Uh huh. Proof?
    When you say things like that, you reveal yourself to be:

    a) totally ignorant of what's been happening for the past eight years;
    b) blindly partisan;
    or
    c) totally disingenuous.

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    ^^I couldn't help but notice Henry that in the thread about the GOP not supporting Obama's economic plan you asked Kulindahr for proof concerning his claim about missing millions in Iraq so I gotta ask you here which are you being:


    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    a) totally ignorant of what's been happening for the past eight years;
    b) blindly partisan;
    or
    c) totally disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naked gent View Post
    ^^I couldn't help but notice Henry that in the thread about the GOP not supporting Obama's economic plan you asked Kulindahr for proof concerning his claim about missing millions in Iraq so I gotta ask you here which are you being:

    Kulindahr was attempting to support his claim that Cheney had stolen money.
    I asked for proof, which he has so far failed to provide.

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    Re: Daschle's a Tax Cheat Too

    He'll be confirmed -- because he's a former member of the exclusive Senate club plus he's a Dem (double standard exception).

    I'm happy that Obama has a bunch of crooks in his cabinet. This is change we can believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    So much for change. Same old Clinton/Democrat crew, same old crooks who think they can get away with anything.


    A Republican says this with a straight face in 2009?

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by Random dude View Post


    A Republican says this with a straight face in 2009?

    I hate to disappoint you, but I am not now, nor have I ever been a Republican.
    That is a matter of record.

    I have been, on those rare occasions when they got something right, a GOP supporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    I hate to disappoint you, but I am not now, nor have I ever been a Republican.
    That is a matter of record.

    I have been, on those rare occasions when they got something right, a GOP supporter.
    Oh you misunderstand. It's not possible to criticize both sides. You HAVE to be one or the other. So saith CE&P!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jav1231 View Post
    Oh you misunderstand. It's not possible to criticize both sides. You HAVE to be one or the other. So saith CE&P!
    Nobody "has" to be, or for that matter do, anything. There is little, if anything, to admire in the GOP as it has existed for some years now, and even less to admire in the Democrats. Both parties have been co-opted by a lunatic fringe. Maybe it's time for a third party to rise to power.

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    I am a Democrat and I voted for Obama, but even I think it's sad there are not enough honest people to appoint to powerful positions in government.

    Even the people in his own state, when he was Majority Leader in the Senate and was in a position to do great things for his limited constituency, ousted Daschle in an election. Maybe they knew something about him that we don't.

    I want Obama to succeed and I believe in what was campaigned for on the Democratic Party side, but some of his choices could be better ones. There are over 300,000,000 people in the U.S. now ... and these are the only ones qualified to fill these posts -- tax evaders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    When you say things like that, you reveal yourself to be:

    a) totally ignorant of what's been happening for the past eight years;
    b) blindly partisan;
    or
    c) totally disingenuous.
    No, it's more like: d) not living in fantasy land.

    Why do you hate facts so much? Is the truth that frightening?

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    No, it's more like: d) not living in fantasy land.
    So, you admit that you're living a fantasy? Way to go.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Nobody "has" to be, or for that matter do, anything. There is little, if anything, to admire in the GOP as it has existed for some years now, and even less to admire in the Democrats. Both parties have been co-opted by a lunatic fringe. Maybe it's time for a third party to rise to power.
    What will it take for people to realize the catastrophic failures of both parties? How have so many succumbed to the beliefs that one party or the other is perfect, has all the answers and can do no wrong?

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    Re: Daschle's a Tax Cheat Too

    So will Geithner or Daschle write a book Tax Cheating for Dummies?

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    Re: Daschle's a Tax Cheat Too

    Perhaps the slogan of "change" really means:

    Cheat until you get Caught !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    So, you admit that you're living a fantasy? Way to go.
    You can't read. That is obviously not what I am saying. Faux libertarian Republicans like yourself, with your so-called "Prophet" Rand, are those in a fantasy, a delusion that I'm glad the majority of Americans do not share.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    You can't read. That is obviously not what I am saying. .
    It may not have been what you meant, but it was clearly what you wrote.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    It may not have been what you meant, but it was clearly what you wrote.
    "you reveal yourself to be...not living in fantasy land." Wrong as usual, Henry.

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by NickCole View Post
    Obama supporters defending someone who doesn't deserve it, to protect their Dear Leader.
    Wasn't defending him, was pointing out that since he actually did pay his taxes(albeit eventually), justapixels original post was wrong.

    I think you should pay your taxes on time, and if these things come up, then deal with it as soon as possible. I honestly don't know much about filing tax returns and all that shit, got me an accountant cousin who does family for free, otherwise would cost you an arm and a leg(although he is extremely good at what he does)

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by Glafna View Post
    Wasn't defending him, was pointing out that since he actually did pay his taxes(albeit eventually), justapixels original post was wrong.
    Congratulations, you win on technicality....

    The broader point though still stands; Democrats can't be trusted, at least not anymore than those of the Bush administration. You know what, I don't think I'm going to pay taxes this year. Yeah, that sounds good. Because apparently it's ok to do so. Maybe I'll pay though in 2 or 3 years, we'll see....
    "In my world, everyone's a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies."

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    Re: Obama chooses another tax cheat for cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    I hate to disappoint you, but I am not now, nor have I ever been a Republican.
    That is a matter of record.

    I have been, on those rare occasions when they got something right, a GOP supporter.
    OK. So enlighten me. You don't have to be a pug or a Democrat. But tell me what your general political ideals are. If I'm not mistaken, you generally defend Bush on just about anything. But maybe that was someone else I have you confused with?

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