maybe he was just a nice guy....Originally Posted by dwengster
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maybe he was just a nice guy....Originally Posted by dwengster
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i expose myself on accident alot. i change in the parking lot of my job, i hate to devote too much time to them. once i was talking to a buddy i work with while changing and when i dropped my pants my boxers went with them, he laughed his ass off but ended up telling people i wasnt too badly endowed. pretty much everytime i bend over im told my ass crack is showing.
HOT stories here ... thanks for sharing guys !!!
reedsdream, I would definitely let you watch me jerk offOriginally Posted by reedsdream
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The only experiences I can remember which fits in this topics are when I saw my uncle naked(and that wasnt a cool view) because he forgot there was people on the house and left the bathroom without clothes.
One time when my cousin and I had to use the bathroom at the same time, he in the bathtub and I in the shower and when he was getting in the tub I saw his butt.
And recently in a trip with a friend he tried to change putting his shorts with a towel over it and I saw his butt. Also his underwear was kinda transparent and I was always seeing his butt. This one was the hotiest of all.
First story: A gross out.
My boss's bedroom window looks directly into Henry Kissinger's bedroom window. They've known each other for years and one night a couple years ago, they attended the same formal function. They left about the same time, got home about the same time, and went into their respective bedrooms to change at about the same time. And neither of them had closed their curtains.
Since the story was told in a mixed crowd, I have yet to hear the details, but I can imagine. They guy was Tricky Dick's Secretary of State after all...
Second Story: A Family Affair.
A couple years ago I was at a raging party my cousin threw. At some point during the night we were sitting around the kitchen table attempting to play Texas Hold 'Em, a game which is surprisingly difficult after 7 or 8 hours of drinking. The kitchen chairs were made of wicker and when my cousin went to stand up, the wicker had grabbed his shorts and held onto them.
It was quickly revealed that he had nothing on underneath, and I have to admit that for an instant, I let down my guard and stared. His cock was huge! As big soft as mine is hard. He was Italian, and I'd heard the stereotypes, but none of his brothers were that hung!
Long story short: He was drunk. I was drunk. I got a one-on-one interview with that cock before the end of the night.
In the morning, he made some comment about not being able to find his underwear and asked me if I knew where they were. I think it was his polite way of saying "Let's forget last night ever happened."
Third story: Boot Camp
Years ago I went to Air Force ROTC field training. We were in a massive dorm at Sheppard AFB and each floor had these 4-head communal showers. I've got three tales to tell from those showers, none involving accidental exhibitionism, but all very voyeuristic!
Tale 1: The Blond
The Blond was a blond-haired blue eyed all-American type of guy with a perfect body. His cock was larger than average and somehow he and I were always in the shower at the same time... The part I liked the most was he actually took the time to clean his asscrack. I'd never seen any guy do that in a public shower before. The way he did it was a blast. He'd cup under each cheek and alternately shake them. He had no idea that whenever he did it, he'd flex all his muscles and his cock and balls wagged back and forth. So I got to enjoy that once a day for a month. I think he's still in the Air Force flying F-16s. He's married with kids, but as a hobby he became a competition bodybuilder. So a picture pops up on the net every now and then.
Tale 2: The Horse
This guy was a cadet from Michigan. The most well-hung guy I've ever met. I couldn't understand why all the girls in the camp drooled all over him, until I saw him in the shower. Without thinking I exclaimed "Jesus Christ 'Horse' (I'll protect the innocent), put that thing away before you hurt someone!" I swear to God it hung halfway to his knees. I think it made him self-conscious because I never saw him in the shower again.
Tale 3: The Sergeant
We had one former sergeant in the camp who was becoming an officer. He was still pretty young, and had a great body. Shaped a lot like I was but a bit taller. One day I was getting out of the shower as he was getting in. Our cocks made contact. We both gasped. Then our eyes made contact. And in that instant, we knew each other's deepest darkest secret. But of course there was a line of 20 more guys waiting for the shower so that was the end of it.
aaah memories...
like 2 years ago (i was 17) i went to a friends house after school and i went on his computer tryin to fix something, and he went to his room for a minute. welll 15 had past and i walked over to his room and his door was slightly open and i saw him jackin off![]()
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all hardcorish on his bed. he was hot a top batter for our baseball team and totaly fit (unlike me
) he thought i was as straight as he was right then, and i walked in and totaly porn starishly asked "Your need help with that man?" he looked at me with such a glare
i was like hmm
and then he totaly sat up and said "only if its wet and warm"
he was a total slut for cheerleaders and i knew he was jokeing cause he started to stand up and well i said "why yes i do have something wet and warm" he sat back down and looked at me oddly "shall i use it?" i asked. "dude i aiin't fuckin you ass"
he went on sitting back down... all i did was get on my knees and sucked him like there was no tomarrow and man did he last since then he has been my little dick on a stick i can call up and ask "got a hardon?" and rush over.... sorry im a suck slut
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i love this thread.. i wish i had some experiences to share :-(
Hey guys, these are totally awesome stories, but I have one of my own I want to share! For those of you who don't know, I do modeling on weekends and stuff like that (pays the bills pretty well), and I'm also bi, so I pretty much melt for any of my model friends and the agency I got to.....ANYWAY....being Bi and open about it, I've been asked out my both guys and guys (and when either one is model hot, it is hard choosing!)....well anyway, here is the good parts. I'm an underwear model, so for some shoots I have to walk around with 3 or 4 other guys in my undies and we'll put our arms around another, or dance, and just walk, dance whatever for the camera....well lately....the guys I model with have been getting kinda kinky (you know, ass grabbing, cock grabbing, all the good stuff) and one of them even came up to me and asked me if I wanted to go into an orgy with them....OF COURSE I said yes, and it was one of the hottest thins that has ever happened to me.....hm....modelsss......
This happened at the college I teach at. One day a couple of summers ago, during one of the summer soccer camps we have for high school students, there was a group of HS soccer players standing outside the Student Union. I noticed a group of girls seated at a nearby table looking over and giggling. Taking a closer look, I noticed that the shorts of one of the guys had ridden up and was exposing his dick (he was rather endowed). Not sure if this was on purpose or not, I strolled over to the group and suggested that all the guys check their shorts. When he looked down, he turned bright red and quickly tucked his dick back in. As I walked away, the girls gave me a dirty look. The rest of the summer, every time I saw the kid, I'd wink and smile...he'd turn twenty shades of red.
well this classmate of mine begged me to have a party in my house since he was cute i let him
so before the party he came extra early to fix whatever and stuff
he asked me if he could take a bath
i agreed
so when he was done he forgot he needed a towel and asked me to get one so i did when i opened the door in the bathroom i saw his ass it was cute hehehe he just smiled
to bad i didnt dee the front though hehehee
ohh btw my girl cousin was there also in the same room but im not sure if she saw him hahaha
im now like totally crushing on this guy now
when i confronted to him about it
he got all mad and just blackmailed me no sex though
im just wondering why he smiled when i saw his ass
Two years ago I went on a school trip and this really cute guy went with us. I had the biggest crush on him, but i wasnt sure of his sexuality. I had heard rumors about him being gay, but I always doubt rumors i hear, so i ignored that.
Well, we got to our hotel room and it was before our competition and after an extremely long roadtrip we took showers and went over our stuff since we had more than plenty of time to spare. I was putting on my shirt when i looked over and saw him sitting on the bed reading some papers in his boxers. Wow, my heart raced so fast and I got really really excited! He had the nicest set of balls I had ever seen! I made sure to study at the table so i can sneak glances at his balls. hehe.
After a few events he showed me his dick and later that night when we got back to the room, I got to see his dick again. It was big and THICK.. it was really yummy as well! some of the best sex.. still one of my favorite fuck buddies.. though its be a while since we have done anything... that will change soon!![]()
When I was in H.S. I took a friend of mine, Cory, to the slopes with me so I could teach him how to ski! Sometime over the next five sessions he ended up falling and breaking his arm. I felt so bad..he was the 2nd state diving champion in PA in 1993 1994.
it was shortly after he broke his arm that I invited him to a holiday party. He had one heck of a time getting dressed that evening... or so I think. Cory asked me if I would assist him with putting his pants on. I said I would. I put his shirt on, and than helped him get into a pair of pants. As I pulled up his pants i brushed over his cock (he is rather nice 6.5 -7) with my hand...I got so hard. He than asked me if I would tuck his shirt in because he could not do it. As I was tucking his shirt in I stuck my hand down in his pants, palm open and brushed over him again..he was now semi hard. However, I was done tucking him in.
I always thought Cory was gay...especially after I caught his mother and his brother chatting about Cory and I as a potential couple. I questioned his mother and she told me due to his father being a drill instructor, Cory will always be uncomfortable if he is gay and comes out. To this day I look back at what we could have done and I think... if I just...
I can also remember when I was staying at Cory's house (we used to sleep over at each others house every weekend and during holidays every night) he decided to play a game. He had this sleeping bag on the floor and he told me to get in the bag. I did and he told me lets see if two people can fit into the bag. He said he would however go head first. I thought for sure when he went down he was going to go down on something else also! Than we reversed rolls and I went down.. I was so tempted to go down on him, but never did.
We had quite a few experiences like the one above. I still am very good friends with Cory to this day. When we graduated from college in 2000, he got engaged... and than broke off the relationship after his parents divorced...he remains single to this day!
I have now found out Cory is in fact gay.. and single!
C~
I was in my teens at that time. I was sitting across the room from my school friend at his house wearing some shorts. He was giggling and I asked him was he was laughing about. He asked me why I wear my shorts so short. I asked why he was asking. Then he told me he could see my balls thru the leg openings.
i loved hs i loved gym the most i always look at the guys but know one new there was an open bathroom it had 1 stall and 2 urinals anyways the 2nd week of school i found the best veiw in the room every time someone would piss i would get to see wat everyone was working with mmm that year i saw the everyones dick ..
i loved the like real membership gym to i would always put myself in a position were someone could see me undress and i was always the only un-cut guy there i would always "fake" geting out of the showers and would fake having a locker across from a really ripped stud omg i would always jerk off after word in the shower
in teneth grade we went to washington dc for a trip and i and three other boys were paired to stay ina room two in each bed we fought for like an hour who got to sleep where so we asked th etacher & he decided i got paired with the hot guy so we stayed up watchin tv and the other tow were laready aslepp then we went to bed he said is it ok if i slepp in the nude i said no man (i am bi by the way) so after i slept he must have taken his boxers off and i woke at 4 am and found him and the other two guys all laying on the floor naked in never was quite sure what happened then i went down and sucked each one of them off one guy had an 10 incher when hard and it was so hot
i am a 21 years student from INDIA. this is a very conservative country. we don't take shower in front of others. even we
don't change our dress (i mean be naked ) in front of other male.my college is far apart from my home. this is the final year of my graduation & i have a lots of pressure of my study. so now i am staying as a paying guest near my college with another guy. He is also in
my college. he is very handsome.i always fantasize about him. he has a sexy hairy chest.
one day while changing dress, he accidentaly dropped his towel & i got a chance to see him naked for only 2 or 3 seconds.
beleive me, it was the first time that i saw a man nude in front of me.earlier i saw nude man only in porn movie or in internet.after the situation
he felt very embarass & shy , but i told him that ' it's ok '.later i started to seduce him in many way , because i wanted to see him naked again
& wanted to see a clear view of his penis. i have also told him that if he is interested to see my penis, he can. but he avoid all of my traps. i think he is straight.can anyone refer my
a proper way to seduce him. a few months is left to completing my graduation & i want to do sex with him before that , because after graduation i may loose contact with him . somebody help me.
the one accidental thing i saw that stuck in my mind was when i was at the beach (regular straight beach) a few years ago. this very attractive man in his thirties, wearing nothing but swimtrunks of course, was walking his puppy dog. the pup was very playful and in much need of attention and kept tugging at the man's swimtrunks, pulling them down with it's teeth. although the guy always managed to quickly grab a hold of the front of his trunks everytime the dog pulled them off i never got to see his dick but i did get to see his ass quite a few times. he had a gorgeous, big yet firm masculine bubble butt, and it was pretty hairy too. neither before or after have i seen such a great ass. i of course got an emediate erection and had to roll over on my stomach to hide my boner.
after having lost his trunks one to many times the man eventually got embarrassed and picked up the puppy and carried it the rest of his walk. everyone else around me just laughed but i remember it as one of the hottest things i've ever seen.![]()
I still remember the day in gym class, in the locker room when this guy that I've always thought was hot was changing and some other guy came and shanked him. He was facing me, so I got a great view of his pubes, cock and balls. It happened fast but it felt like I was staring for a lifetime. Everyone just laughed and went on with their business.
That gave me jack off material forever.
I was at the gym a few years ago and ran into a ex-coworker that I alway thought was hot. He's in his early 20s and really into cycling, so he's got a great body with a really hot ass and legs. We talked a little then went our separate ways to continue working out. A little while later I saw him him on a machine that works the hamstrings. He was on his back alternating raising and lowering his legs one at a time and every time he raised his right leg his entire crotch would be exposed and his huge pink balls were totally hanging out of the white liner in his shorts. I went over and talked to him a bit to get a good look. Man they were beautiful.--big pink low-hangers. After a bit, I went to another machine across from him and kept checking him out and I noticed that several other people walking by him also saw what he had hanging out.
I'm new here and this is the first group I have ever responded to. I couldn't help myself I love the topic. Back in the early eighty's I swam for a major university and part of our preseason program was to lift weights. The university had a great weight room that only varsity athletes could use. I didn't like the nautilus machines so I work out with the football players in the free weight area. One day while I was doing bench press with a couple guys- I need a spot and a guy called tri-pod stepped up to help me. Now remember this is the early eighty's and gym shorts are short. So when he stepped up and grabbed the bar I could see right up his shorts and I was face to face with the biggest blackest cock I have ever seen- I almost dropped the bar and he had to straddle my head to help me lift it. This put his huge cock in my face, I could feel the hot flesh against my cheek. He had me do three more assisted reps with his cock in my face. Tri-pod and I became regular work buddies and we got to be great friends. I have many more stories but I'll spare you all now.
i'll never forget this... mostly cause it led my first sexual experience. i was at a friends house... he was really cute... and walking to the bathroom i came across him sitting on his bed his door open, he didnt seem to see me. so after using i came back and stopped by his room. he was shirtless pants at his knees jacking grunting a bit in what seemed pleasure
Mine is the Earth and the sword in the stone, Mine is the throne for the idol
One fleeting moment, and it is all gone, Crownless again Will I fall?
I was in Las Vegas for a weekend vacation, stayed at the Venetian. At the pool, I noticed that you could swim up near the lifeguard stands and see right up the guys trunks that were seated in the stand. It was so hot! everyone one of the lifeguards are so freakin cute. I would just float in front of them with my sunglasss on checkin out their cocks and balls.......then I had to go into the restroom and jack off![]()
I got to a pool club that is co-ed and the guys are generally nothing special, but one morning I was in the pool alone-- which is very rare-- and this sort of hot looking guy looked in and left. He came back about 5 minutes later with a towel wrapped around him. he took off the towel and was stark naked! HOT bod! He noticed me looking at his cock and said, "Oh, I forgot something", put the towel back on and left, coming back a few minutes later. In the pool he apologized to me but I told him it didn't matter, he then told me how much he loved skinny dippping and that we should do it there since no one else was around. So much for his exposure being "Accidential."
I’ve come across this from different perspectives. When I was a kid, my dad would wear shorts without underwear and often when he sat down everything would hang out. I don’t know if anyone found that hot but I found it really embarrassing. My husband used to do the same thing when we first started living together but I put a stop to that.
As a youth, I remember two experiences of being watched. Once I caught my neighbor’s daughter on the first escape watching me jack-off in the bathroom. I found that simply annoying and I quickly pulled down the blinds. When I started college, I had a ground floor bedroom and a peeping tom. Back then I would jack-off when I woke up and before I went to sleep. This kid (probably another student) would stand outside my window at night and watch. I could hear him out there so I always put on a show. Someone caught him at it after a while and he ran off and never returned.
Wow, does this thread bring back some great memories! I cannot telly how how many times I have accidentally seen someones penis hanging out of their shorts. Sometimes I think they have no clue, but other times I swear it was on purpose. I remember one time at cc practice a teammate who I thought was super endowed put on one hell of a show that afternoon. Sitting on the stairway by the doors he had his legs slight spread. I had a feeling that the kid either wore briefs or no underwear at all. He always wore these short blue mesh shorts to practice. Needless to say they did not offer much support at all. Well when he sat down I got an amazing view of the whole package. I saw this really long thick white mass of flesh hanging down. At first I thought his dick was uncut, but it turns out his head was much further down. He also had a huge baggy sac to go along with the huge dick. I could not believe what I was seeing as he just sat their with his entire package exposed. Even better afterwards he got up and went and sat down in the grass, only to expose himself again. This time he sat there for nearly six minutes or more with his entire package exposed as he sat with his legs up. I do not know if he knew this was going on, but somehow I doubt he even cared. Luckily this is only like one of dozens of times I have seen guys accidentally expose themselves. While this is not the best thing in the world, I sure am not one to complain when it happens.
growing up there was a house behind ours and they had a glass shower on the second floor which you could easily see everything
i remember many a times looking over at my neighbors house and seeing him showering or shaving and got a big eyeful of his nice big cock just hanging there for all to see..loved it when he would dry off and run the towel between his legs
sometimes he would walk out on the porch naked, it was so hot
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Peek-A-Boo I C U ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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You guys are extremely lucky to have these happen like regular occurences. Sadly, I think I would've gotten to see more if I wasn't so closeted.
Anyways, I do remember one occasion in high school. High school was just a total confusion for me. I dared not to look or act gay in any way.
Anyways, during gym class....(why does these stories usually end up in gym classes?).....guys were extremely bored and testorone driven. So they'd do silly stupid stuff like mooning each other and dryhumping one another. On one occasion, there was this latino kid I've always kept an eye on. He was the ladies man, full of charm and spunk, which always explained his somewhat arrogance around the school. Also the reason why I didn't much hang around him. I tend to not be around people I'm attracted to.
He had an aura like he was the shit and could do anything and not embarrass himself. That one day we were ran a mile on the track field and afterwards would stand in line for attendance. Of course the jock that he was, he'd finish first and would be waiting for everyone. I guess he was bored or something, because he would then flash everyone that finally finished. Boy, when I got there, what a sight it was. Flaccid, but uncut. The way I like em.
Being the total closetcase, I quickly turned away and told him to go fuck off.
It would've been nice to have had a few more seconds looking at it.
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I have been exposed by accident and on purpose.. I have also had my friends try and get me in precarious positions to look at them or so they could look at me. I will comment shortly ....I am on my way out to the club.
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I only have one story and it's not very good.
Pantsing was a very popular prank in my school. Guys would just run up behind each other and pull down the other's pants. It was usually just the pants, no underwear. One day in Spanish class, I was up at the board with a bunch of other people and a guy did it to the guy standing next to me but accidentally grabbed his underwear, too and pulled down everything. He was facing away from me, so all I saw was a brief glimpse of ass. He wasn't very attractive, either, so it didn't do anything for me.
There WAS the time I saw one of the biggest senior jocks in my school changing and showering in the locker room (we weren't required to shower, so locker room nudity was VERY rare). That wasn't accidental, though.
Someone asked me once how I could know that I'm gay if I've never slept with a woman. I've never shoved shards of glass into my eye, either, but I don't have to give it a shot to know that it's not for me.
I think my story is one of the more horrifying ones.
It was my sophomore year of high school and I woke up late one morning so I just threw on the first shirt and pair of jeans that I could find and decided screw underwear, I'M LATE lol
Well my first period class was PE, but since we were nearing the end of the semester we didn't have to change and just went into the gym and sat in the bleechers and had free time. Well I was sitting in the front row with my legs spread, not spread eagle, but spread, and I noticed my gym teacher kinda looking at me funny. No sooner do I notice him looking that he calls me over to him and tells me to follow him.
So he walks me into the PE office, goes over to the PE uniform loaner bin, pulls out a pair of gym shorts, and walks over and hands them to me and says "You might want to go put these on under your jeans."
Apparently, in my mad rush to get ready, I put on a pair of jeans that had a decent, yet not gaping, hole in the crotch and my family jewels were in plain sight.
If only it had been winter and I would have noticed a draft...
Last year time I was helping a friend of mine put up a light fixture on his cathedral ceiling. He was wearing basketball shorts with realy baggy boxers and when he went up the ladder to screw in the in light I looked up and could see all the way up his hairy legs to his balls and the very tip of his flacid cock. It gave me some good jack off material for a few weeks.
I'm not prudish. I've been accidentally exposed, so what? When it happens I just smile to show I'm not embarassed, so the others don't feel obliged to say something as an apology.
And when I have to change in the presence of others I just do. They can watch if they want or turn around if they don't want to.
very nice a whole lot of jizz!!!
Ok heres my story: My friend has a hot brother 21 year old hunk..... hes a dream come true 4 me of course, nice gym body u know ripped, tall...... Ive seen him several times with just boxers or just with a towel with all his beautifull body wet , but one time we went on some vacations we stay in the same room and one mornig he woke up and started talking about sex , that he wanted that he couldn wait anymore........ unffuntunately he is 100 % straight but he started talking bout his girl and how he wanted to fuck her......he was lay down and only wearing boxers and inmediatlly i noticed his hard cock below the black boxers and he started touching himself while he was tlaking bout his gf....... It was so hot i picture his beautifull lean body moving at tthe top of his girl,,,,,, when he stopped i ran to the bathroom inmeddiatly !!!!!!
I just cant think of anything hotter than a young male in action
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this scene slightly fits in here even though it is not an exposure, but a really close call.
years ago while riding the T in Boston during the summer this sexy guy in his 30s lets say gets on the train after a nice jog. he was only wearing sneaks, a shirt, and those onion skin running shorts, which were extremely revealing. the guy was large down there and you could see his religion. his large cut dick head was making a nice tent in those skimpy and soaking runner shorts. well a couple of stops later and the train is really packed as the green line can be. i'm sitting in a seat and he's now squished up into my seated space and his dick is just inches away from my head as he in turn is squeezed upon by the other riders. a few people noticed this despite the sardine-like situation of the commute. one couldn't help but see his sex.
as the train lurched a bit here and there one of the sudden bumps knocked him into me and i could feel his dick hit me on the side of the head. man oh man did i ever want to reach over and take hold of his jewels right there and then. i did all i could to NOT sneak peaks of his penis as it bobbed back in forth against the flimsy fabric. eventually, the ride ended and we both got off at different stops, but i was flushed by that one. a very nice image that remains with me to this day.
btw, the green line in Boston runs past both Boston University and Boston College. the b-line at least does. now there are tons of students who board the trains wearing all sorts of things, especially during the warm weather months. i've seen the best baskets in boston this way and enjoy that line for this reason alone. even though it is the pokiest of all the trains in boston!
I did at a lake party
OMG! all you guys are so lucky! THe only thing that has happened to me is during junior year, my friend named greg was changing and down to his boxers. He was talking to me and i was bent down putting my shoes on and I looked up cuz i always try to make eye contact wen someone's talkingto me or viceversa and i guess the light made his boxes transperant from my angle and i saw the shape of his balls dangling!!! Oh man, even though it was for like asplit second I can still remeber it perfectly! I still don't no where he stand sexuality wise...i always get weird like i guess vibes from him! hopefully he's curious czu thats how it feels!
WTF? Shanked means to stab someone with a knife dude...
I think you mean he was pantsed; a prank where you pull someone's pants down.
To be honest, I laughed my ass off when I read this the first time. Some guy is changing and someone shanks him. LOL funny shit to me.
During swim practice, everyone had to change on the pool deck into their speedos. Of course everyone used a towel to cover up. My friend just took off his boxers, and his towel fell off. He was so hot, and his dick was so perfect.![]()
I still jackoff to that today.
in my freshmen year iwas in the locker room changing when this kid strips dpwn to his boxers he slips and falls and his cock just comes out and he leaves it there
me and some friends where in a car our boxers when i dropped something and see my friends cock he saw me and said here you go and took it out and left it there gave me so much material
BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on guys!
My story is a bummer. Back wen I was living is Jo'Burg my father took me to a simmer pool or a beach when I was 9 or 10 in'97'-98. I saw the most grueling site in my life. My father was talking to this 100 yr man, he was really in his fourties but he was pale, had horrible teeth, balding and hairy. He took of his towel and got naked, I nearly blew chunks. I was tramatized.
Also wen I was around 14 in '02 I was in NY. My firend hasd a pool in his backyard and we didn't have swimming trunks so we swam in our boxers. Cocks were falling out all over the place.