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    Today Ellen talked about 15-year-old Larry King who was murdered by a classmate for being gay. If you would like to volunteer your services to help gay and lesbian kids who are being harassed and bullied or if you are having difficulties because of your sexual orientation, here are some wonderful services that can help.

    The Trevor Project
    The Trevor Project operates the nations only 24/7 crisis & suicide prevention helpline for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and questioning youth. If you or a friend are feeling lost or alone call The Trevor Helpline. There is hope, there is help. The Trevor Helpline: 866-4-U-TREVOR.
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    PFLAG promotes the health and well-being of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender persons, their families and friends through: support, to cope with an adverse society; education, to enlighten an ill-informed public; and advocacy, to end discrimination and to secure equal civil rights. Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays provides opportunity for dialogue about sexual orientation and gender identity, and acts to create a society that is healthy and respectful of human diversity.
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    The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) is dedicated to promoting and ensuring fair, accurate and inclusive representation of people and events in the media as a means of eliminating homophobia and discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation.

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    I love Ellen. I knew my mom would be ok with me being gay because she loved ellen so much as well. My grandma on the other hand..... (Not out to her, she'd freak!)

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    I think she approached this in just the right way.

    Hope she can continue promoting this message.

    Lots of love going out to her.

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    I love her show. love it love it love it

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    I just saw this on tv, was so sad.

    I love Ellen...I wish my parents were home to force them to watch what she had to say

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    I was thrilled when I saw that. If there's anybody that can make 'middle America' aware of anything, it's Ellen. I love her.

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    This is a positive thread, and I am pleased to give my unqualified support, and I work hard in this area of community concern already. And the agencies and people cited are helpers.

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    I love Ellen she's such a fun person it's nice to see her so serious every once in a while. That was a totally screwed up story. Killed for asking someone to be your Valentine? That is just....ugh, it's disgusting.

    Underneath everything I guess I always dreamed I would be the one to take you away from all this wasted pain...

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    I actually saw CNN report the child about a week or so ago.

    It's getting more visibility as people are being more vocal about it.

    There was even a mother on the news talking to her daughter and she was like "It wasn't Larry was it? Oh God no!"
    And then they both broke down.

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    Gay teenager killed by classmate in US









    Police investigating the murder of a 15-year-old boy by his teenage classmate are treating the shooting as a hate crime.
    [removed]Lawrence has been bullied for wearing make-upLawrence King had been harassed by a group of boys at his Florida school, including the 14-year-old charged with his murder, since he told friends he was gay.

    His fellow pupils at E.O. Green Junior High in Oxnard said the bullying started after Lawrence wore mascara, lipstick and jewellery to school.

    “They teased him because he was different,” said Marissa Moreno, 13.

    “But he wasn’t afraid to show himself.”
    On Feb 12 Lawrence was in the school's computer lab when his alleged attacker, Brandon McInerney, walked into the room and shot him in the head. He was caught by police a few blocks away.
    Lawrence was declared brain dead the following day and taken off life support on Feb 14.
    The shooting has stunned residents of Oxnard, a relaxed middle-class beach community just north of Malibu.
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    “We’ve never had school violence like this here before, never had a school shooting,” said David Keith, a spokesman for the Oxnard Police Department.
    One parent with a daughter at the school called the crime “absolutely unbelievable.”
    McInerney has been charged as an adult with murder as a premeditated hate crime and gun possession. If convicted, he faces a sentence of 52 years to life in prison.
    Speaking at a memorial service for Lawrence, the Rev. Dan Birchfield of Westminster Presbyterian Church said: “God knit Larry together and made him wonderfully complex. Larry was a masterpiece.”

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    ow.

    ow.

    oooowwwww.

    That hurts.

    Bless Ellen for her use of her celebrity. God bless her.

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    GLBT community needs more people like Ellen!

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    I want to comment on that clip but I am speechless.
    God bless you Ellen.
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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    Wow.

    I understand gay personalities like Ellen just want to live their lives in peace and dont want to have to be "our" spokespeople - the same thing we ask for. But holey hell if people dont stop and listen when she speaks. That 2 minutes of talk should open a debate thats long over due.

    Its time we stopped paying lip service to "acceptance" and that the people who can do draw attention to the issue.

    How many more of these sort of attacks have "kids" got to endure??? It wasnt that long ago that the Mathew Shepard murder caused outrage... where has the goodwill and good intentions gone???

    To borrow a Croynan icon...

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    GO ELLEN!

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    Thanks for posting. I hope everyone gets the message. XXX
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    Ellen is in a unique position. She's risen to such a high celebrity status and yet she's openly and unapoligetically gay. She has the power to influence a lot of people on this issue. Think of how many people's minds she has changed since coming out and becoming so popular. There are millions of white bread middle-Americans who see Ellen every day and see her as a normal human being. All of those people whose minds have been changed now see her speaking out on these issues and that is how things will begin to change in our country. We need the visibility and not through the stereotypical funny gay characters on TV or in movies. We need more normal, everyday people like Ellen to take visibil roles in society to show people that we're not freaks.
    Someone asked me once how I could know that I'm gay if I've never slept with a woman. I've never shoved shards of glass into my eye, either, but I don't have to give it a shot to know that it's not for me.

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    As another poster said, God Bless you Ellen, for taking a stand on this issue. If only more people were as brave as you

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    Ellen did make a difference!

    I checked my email today... and omg.

    wow. i was shocked to find a letter from someone who was in my highschool and made a sort of game out of teasing me for being gay... yeah it bothered me at the time but I ... oh I dunno. I knew he was a stupid jock type and didn't put much weight into him or his "buddies"

    i have never... just wow is all I can say in response to his email.
    I think I have tracked down the right email address, if not I apologize. I'm trying to reach a <Orion's real name> I went to high school with. You would have graduated in the class of '99 from <school>. I hope this is you.


    Dear John,
    My self-image would be very relieved if you have forgotten who I am. Although, I am sure that is far from the case. My name is <name> and was a grade above you. I guess there is no real easy way to segue into what I want to say other than I'm sorry for what I did to you. I know that I would be expecting way too much in desiring a reply of forgiveness, and in my heart know that I deserve nothing less than your absolute disdain. I was stupid back then, and I feel absolutely awful for what I might, or rather 'did', put you through. I understand that nothing I do could ever do would ever warrant your forgiveness.


    This letter may seem out of the blue, and I feel I should convey why I'm attempting to contact you with my apologies. My wife, my high school sweetheart, who was generous enough to accept my proposal four years ago watches the Ellen show on TV on a regular basis. I happened to be watching with her when Ellen took a moment to talk about the terrible shooting involving that poor boy. As she spoke so passionately from the heart about school violence and hate that he was subjected too as an openly gay student, I broke down. I realize just how absolutely abhorrent my behavior was towards you back then.


    I know full well any attempt to explain that behavior away is nothing less than the actions of a spineless man unwilling to take responsibility for his actions. I knew what I was doing was wrong. Nothing I can say will ever mitigate the damage I've done, or make up for the trouble I put you through. I have absolutely no right to ask for forgiveness and would never seek to ask you for it. I can only apologize profusely from the bottom of my heart and pray that God look over you and protect you.


    Any attempt on my part to even begin to imagine a starting point in making this up to you seems futile at the best. I'm sorry.


    I think I'm going to reply very simply...
    Although you may feel you are not deserving of my forgiveness, you have it unconditionally and unequivocally. Please feel free to call me at ### so we can talk in person.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    let's hope more people take his lead

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    Wow Orion. Just wow. Props to that guy for actually hearing what she was saying. And props to you for accepting his apology.

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    kudos to both of you for handling the situation as it is right now very well.

    We can only hope more people follow this lead.
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Wow, what a surprise. The guy has some guts and some self-respect. With his permission you should send that to Ellen.



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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    I applaud him, and I applaud you.


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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    That is fantastic. Good for both of you. It would be great to let Ellen know as well that her show did make a difference.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    sincerely this was the best thing i've read all day.

    i applaud you for being the better man for accepting his apology with no exceptions. it shows what a class act you are.




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    I just got off the phone with him...

    wow you guys, he really is... freaking out over this...

    We talked for a bit. I told him I put the letter here
    "...that sounds like..."
    "yeah, it's a gay site."
    "so you are gay?"
    "yep."
    "Man I'm so sorry," and goes into this explanation.

    I go "guy, dude, for real. You have my forgiveness." he said he couldn't understand how I could be so cool with it and I gave a little discourse on how I view the situtation as a devout Buddhist."

    "no way!"
    "what?"
    "you're buddhist!?!"
    "yes."
    "That is so awesome."

    LMAO.

    So I told him to meet me up at this resturant by my work after I get off tomorrow so we could talk.

    before I hung up he goes again "man you have no idea how sorry I am."
    "Not as sorry as you're gonna be if you keep apologizing, that's starting to get annoying." he laughed. so we'll see how it goes.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Wow, what a surprise. The guy has some guts and some self-respect. With his permission you should send that to Ellen.
    Quote Originally Posted by uflyguy View Post
    That is fantastic. Good for both of you. It would be great to let Ellen know as well that her show did make a difference.
    I believe you can contact Ellen and her programme here:

    http://ellen.warnerbros.com/show/respond/?PlugID=10

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    Orion i'm not kidding you made my eyes watered..All that High school bullshit came flashing back to me.

    this is ,for me, one of the greatest most uplifting thread have seen around here.

    But still the guy can't not even imagine what his actions may have done to others. i would forgave him but i couldn't forget.

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    omg orion. way to make me cry. haha
    that's the best thing ive head in awhile!

    I'm so happy Ellen did what she did, and for people to really acknowledge what's going on

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    First an email. Then a phone call. Then a lunch together... Then his house. Then his bedroom. I see where this is going.

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    beautiful story. thank you for sharing it with us and thank you again Ellen!

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

    "When you can't hide, discrimination falls." David Boies

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    This is exactly the point I've been making for years. It's not the Bible thumpers we have to worry about. There really aren't that many of them. What we need to watch out for are the uneducated masses...the majority of the country who just plain don't give a shit. They don't particularly care if gay marriage is legal because it doesn't affect them in any way. They have no investment in equal rights. These are the people...the ones with no predisposed hatred but simply do not know any better...who will make the difference in achieving equality.

    If this person can have such a life-changing revelation simply from watching Ellen, it proves that there is hope. It proves that we need more people like her. We need normal, everyday gay people to take the spotlight and enlighten those uneducated masses and show them how influencial they can be. If they can be taught that every harmless gay joke, everytime they see nothing wrong with discrimination, every utterance of the word "faggot" adds up to a severe and deadly problem, then things can and will change.
    Someone asked me once how I could know that I'm gay if I've never slept with a woman. I've never shoved shards of glass into my eye, either, but I don't have to give it a shot to know that it's not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomw7 View Post
    First an email. Then a phone call. Then a lunch together... Then his house. Then his bedroom. I see where this is going.

    Do I have to chain you up in the basement again my dear boy! LOL
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    i am not an Ellen fan....not because i dislike her....i am just not at all connected to television pop culture....i catch only glimpses of Ellen or any of the dozens of other talk and "reality" television shows...

    but after reading your posting i will certainly give her my attention....i had no idea that she enjoyed much popular legitimacy.....thanks....

    and, just WoW....words fail me to express my delight for you....i give my bullies from school days absolutely no thought (and so long ago!), but your story is awesome...

    best wishes for both of you!....

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    What an awesome story, and I agree that it's the uneducated masses changing their views that would help solve this problem. Especially in high school, people are just too young to know any better because society (and in many cases their families) have enforced a stereotype that gay is bad.

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    Thanks for such a positive story. If there is a way, I'd let Ellen know (through e-mail, obviously) the impact that her comments had on this one person. I think she would love to know concretely that she made a difference in your and his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorsun View Post
    This is exactly the point I've been making for years. It's not the Bible thumpers we have to worry about. There really aren't that many of them. What we need to watch out for are the uneducated masses...the majority of the country who just plain don't give a shit. They don't particularly care if gay marriage is legal because it doesn't affect them in any way. They have no investment in equal rights. These are the people...the ones with no predisposed hatred but simply do not know any better...who will make the difference in achieving equality.

    If this person can have such a life-changing revelation simply from watching Ellen, it proves that there is hope. It proves that we need more people like her. We need normal, everyday gay people to take the spotlight and enlighten those uneducated masses and show them how influencial they can be. If they can be taught that every harmless gay joke, everytime they see nothing wrong with discrimination, every utterance of the word "faggot" adds up to a severe and deadly problem, then things can and will change.
    Excellent post!

    When we were talking on the phone he started getting weepy "i've never really known a gay person, <snip> but here, now theres a little boy shot dead... a mom isn't going ot be able to kiss her boy tonight because..."
    He started to get near the edge of losing it. so i interrupted him.

    You're right. It s the people who have no vested interest in the rights of the queer community that are the most dangerous to us. They laugh at the jokes, and just like Ellen said it escalates. We have to show them that this is wholly evil these events that occur. whether it hapens to a black or white, man or woman, athlete or handicapped, stra8 or gay. It all has to stop.

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    I did send a copy and a little note to Ellen so she knows.
    While I watch the show when I can, I unfortunately work during this time of day. I did not get to see the Leap Year day episode, however I did within the hour see the clip of you talking about the poor King boy for a moment on youtube (of which there are already a ton of response videos as well). You are, I feel, an inspiration for our community and have the power to touch and effect the thoughts of so many people nationwide regardless of any perceived barriers. You are saint amongst us.

    This Sunday morning in my email was a letter from a guy I went to high school with. Him and his friends had made a game out of making fun of me for being gay. While it really had no major impact on my life or emotional well being it did bug me. I was fortunate enough to understand on a personal level how insignificant they were in the grand scheme of my life. I'm forwarding you, with his blessing, a copy of the email he sent so that you personally know that you have made a powerful and life-changing dramatic impact on at least two peoples' lives. God bless.

    Letter follow:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionFyre View Post
    I just got off the phone with him...

    wow you guys, he really is... freaking out over this...

    We talked for a bit. I told him I put the letter here
    "...that sounds like..."
    "yeah, it's a gay site."
    "so you are gay?"
    "yep."
    "Man I'm so sorry," and goes into this explanation.

    I go "guy, dude, for real. You have my forgiveness." he said he couldn't understand how I could be so cool with it and I gave a little discourse on how I view the situtation as a devout Buddhist."

    "no way!"
    "what?"
    "you're buddhist!?!"
    "yes."
    "That is so awesome."

    LMAO.

    So I told him to meet me up at this resturant by my work after I get off tomorrow so we could talk.

    before I hung up he goes again "man you have no idea how sorry I am."
    "Not as sorry as you're gonna be if you keep apologizing, that's starting to get annoying." he laughed. so we'll see how it goes.



    what a wonderful posting. Orion you have really handled this entire matter with a lot of understanding and class. well done.

    i hope your meeting goes very well and you will keep us posted as to how things go. although actually that would be intruding in your privacy and space - maybe it is something we shouldn't know


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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    Ellen's message is right on target. We need visibility beyond stereotypes as doctorsun mentioned above. Ellen has a large audience and she was able to convey a powerful message in just a couple of minutes. Bravo, Ellen!!

    Thanks for posting the video, DMode4Life!

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    I truly hope Hollywood saw that. Perhaps there won't be any more 'Chuck and Larry' trash in the theatres.

    I especially liked the way Ellen took it from laughing at gay jokes to murder.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Neat post orion. both ellen's clip from the other thread and this one made me tear up. tell him it's great of him to do this.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    I will never forgive homophobes or bullies.

    They can never take back the immense suffering they cause or experience that suffering.

    Forgiving them= makes them feel better about themselves.

    Don't be fooled.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    wow, great story!!

    once, my dad called me up after watching Dr. Phil or some such schlock (mind you, I've been on Oprah - on the guest panel - with peewee herman's twin sister, no less) and told me that he'd come to the sudden realisation that i didn't choose to be gay.

    Orion, thank you SO much for sharing that story with us here at JUB! You made my week!

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Orion, I think this is a great post. Amazing.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Yes, it is a great post, And you are a great person. Thank you for sharing.
    Life is no Cakewalk. Walk with Golliwog.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    You're a good guy.. but why do you want to meet him irl? He's straight and he has a wife..... You're going to scare him away

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Quote Originally Posted by xalex86 View Post
    You're a good guy.. but why do you want to meet him irl? He's straight and he has a wife..... You're going to scare him away
    Because in person is a lot better to properly discuss these sort of things.

    It's not like he's going to be freaked out by a gay guy wanting to hang out and discuss this proper. Of course I have no intention of anything other than talking. *rolls eyes*

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