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    Today Ellen talked about 15-year-old Larry King who was murdered by a classmate for being gay. If you would like to volunteer your services to help gay and lesbian kids who are being harassed and bullied or if you are having difficulties because of your sexual orientation, here are some wonderful services that can help.

    The Trevor Project
    The Trevor Project operates the nations only 24/7 crisis & suicide prevention helpline for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and questioning youth. If you or a friend are feeling lost or alone call The Trevor Helpline. There is hope, there is help. The Trevor Helpline: 866-4-U-TREVOR.
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    PFLAG promotes the health and well-being of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender persons, their families and friends through: support, to cope with an adverse society; education, to enlighten an ill-informed public; and advocacy, to end discrimination and to secure equal civil rights. Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays provides opportunity for dialogue about sexual orientation and gender identity, and acts to create a society that is healthy and respectful of human diversity.
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    I love Ellen. I knew my mom would be ok with me being gay because she loved ellen so much as well. My grandma on the other hand..... (Not out to her, she'd freak!)

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    I was thrilled when I saw that. If there's anybody that can make 'middle America' aware of anything, it's Ellen. I love her.

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    This is a positive thread, and I am pleased to give my unqualified support, and I work hard in this area of community concern already. And the agencies and people cited are helpers.

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    I love Ellen she's such a fun person it's nice to see her so serious every once in a while. That was a totally screwed up story. Killed for asking someone to be your Valentine? That is just....ugh, it's disgusting.

    Underneath everything I guess I always dreamed I would be the one to take you away from all this wasted pain...

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    Gay teenager killed by classmate in US









    Police investigating the murder of a 15-year-old boy by his teenage classmate are treating the shooting as a hate crime.
    [removed]Lawrence has been bullied for wearing make-upLawrence King had been harassed by a group of boys at his Florida school, including the 14-year-old charged with his murder, since he told friends he was gay.

    His fellow pupils at E.O. Green Junior High in Oxnard said the bullying started after Lawrence wore mascara, lipstick and jewellery to school.

    “They teased him because he was different,” said Marissa Moreno, 13.

    “But he wasn’t afraid to show himself.”
    On Feb 12 Lawrence was in the school's computer lab when his alleged attacker, Brandon McInerney, walked into the room and shot him in the head. He was caught by police a few blocks away.
    Lawrence was declared brain dead the following day and taken off life support on Feb 14.
    The shooting has stunned residents of Oxnard, a relaxed middle-class beach community just north of Malibu.
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    “We’ve never had school violence like this here before, never had a school shooting,” said David Keith, a spokesman for the Oxnard Police Department.
    One parent with a daughter at the school called the crime “absolutely unbelievable.”
    McInerney has been charged as an adult with murder as a premeditated hate crime and gun possession. If convicted, he faces a sentence of 52 years to life in prison.
    Speaking at a memorial service for Lawrence, the Rev. Dan Birchfield of Westminster Presbyterian Church said: “God knit Larry together and made him wonderfully complex. Larry was a masterpiece.”

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    Re: Thank you Ellen for brining this visibility!

    GLBT community needs more people like Ellen!

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    I want to comment on that clip but I am speechless.
    God bless you Ellen.
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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    Wow.

    I understand gay personalities like Ellen just want to live their lives in peace and dont want to have to be "our" spokespeople - the same thing we ask for. But holey hell if people dont stop and listen when she speaks. That 2 minutes of talk should open a debate thats long over due.

    Its time we stopped paying lip service to "acceptance" and that the people who can do draw attention to the issue.

    How many more of these sort of attacks have "kids" got to endure??? It wasnt that long ago that the Mathew Shepard murder caused outrage... where has the goodwill and good intentions gone???

    To borrow a Croynan icon...

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    GO ELLEN!

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    Thanks for posting. I hope everyone gets the message. XXX
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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    Ellen is in a unique position. She's risen to such a high celebrity status and yet she's openly and unapoligetically gay. She has the power to influence a lot of people on this issue. Think of how many people's minds she has changed since coming out and becoming so popular. There are millions of white bread middle-Americans who see Ellen every day and see her as a normal human being. All of those people whose minds have been changed now see her speaking out on these issues and that is how things will begin to change in our country. We need the visibility and not through the stereotypical funny gay characters on TV or in movies. We need more normal, everyday people like Ellen to take visibil roles in society to show people that we're not freaks.
    Someone asked me once how I could know that I'm gay if I've never slept with a woman. I've never shoved shards of glass into my eye, either, but I don't have to give it a shot to know that it's not for me.

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    As another poster said, God Bless you Ellen, for taking a stand on this issue. If only more people were as brave as you

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    let's hope more people take his lead

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    kudos to both of you for handling the situation as it is right now very well.

    We can only hope more people follow this lead.
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Wow, what a surprise. The guy has some guts and some self-respect. With his permission you should send that to Ellen.


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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    I applaud him, and I applaud you.


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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    That is fantastic. Good for both of you. It would be great to let Ellen know as well that her show did make a difference.

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    sincerely this was the best thing i've read all day.

    i applaud you for being the better man for accepting his apology with no exceptions. it shows what a class act you are.




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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Wow, what a surprise. The guy has some guts and some self-respect. With his permission you should send that to Ellen.
    Quote Originally Posted by uflyguy View Post
    That is fantastic. Good for both of you. It would be great to let Ellen know as well that her show did make a difference.
    I believe you can contact Ellen and her programme here:

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    First an email. Then a phone call. Then a lunch together... Then his house. Then his bedroom. I see where this is going.

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    beautiful story. thank you for sharing it with us and thank you again Ellen!

    Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    This is exactly the point I've been making for years. It's not the Bible thumpers we have to worry about. There really aren't that many of them. What we need to watch out for are the uneducated masses...the majority of the country who just plain don't give a shit. They don't particularly care if gay marriage is legal because it doesn't affect them in any way. They have no investment in equal rights. These are the people...the ones with no predisposed hatred but simply do not know any better...who will make the difference in achieving equality.

    If this person can have such a life-changing revelation simply from watching Ellen, it proves that there is hope. It proves that we need more people like her. We need normal, everyday gay people to take the spotlight and enlighten those uneducated masses and show them how influencial they can be. If they can be taught that every harmless gay joke, everytime they see nothing wrong with discrimination, every utterance of the word "faggot" adds up to a severe and deadly problem, then things can and will change.
    Someone asked me once how I could know that I'm gay if I've never slept with a woman. I've never shoved shards of glass into my eye, either, but I don't have to give it a shot to know that it's not for me.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Quote Originally Posted by Atomw7 View Post
    First an email. Then a phone call. Then a lunch together... Then his house. Then his bedroom. I see where this is going.

    Do I have to chain you up in the basement again my dear boy! LOL

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    i am not an Ellen fan....not because i dislike her....i am just not at all connected to television pop culture....i catch only glimpses of Ellen or any of the dozens of other talk and "reality" television shows...

    but after reading your posting i will certainly give her my attention....i had no idea that she enjoyed much popular legitimacy.....thanks....

    and, just WoW....words fail me to express my delight for you....i give my bullies from school days absolutely no thought (and so long ago!), but your story is awesome...

    best wishes for both of you!....

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    What an awesome story, and I agree that it's the uneducated masses changing their views that would help solve this problem. Especially in high school, people are just too young to know any better because society (and in many cases their families) have enforced a stereotype that gay is bad.

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    Thanks for such a positive story. If there is a way, I'd let Ellen know (through e-mail, obviously) the impact that her comments had on this one person. I think she would love to know concretely that she made a difference in your and his life.
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Quote Originally Posted by OrionFyre View Post
    I just got off the phone with him...

    wow you guys, he really is... freaking out over this...

    We talked for a bit. I told him I put the letter here
    "...that sounds like..."
    "yeah, it's a gay site."
    "so you are gay?"
    "yep."
    "Man I'm so sorry," and goes into this explanation.

    I go "guy, dude, for real. You have my forgiveness." he said he couldn't understand how I could be so cool with it and I gave a little discourse on how I view the situtation as a devout Buddhist."

    "no way!"
    "what?"
    "you're buddhist!?!"
    "yes."
    "That is so awesome."

    LMAO.

    So I told him to meet me up at this resturant by my work after I get off tomorrow so we could talk.

    before I hung up he goes again "man you have no idea how sorry I am."
    "Not as sorry as you're gonna be if you keep apologizing, that's starting to get annoying." he laughed. so we'll see how it goes.



    what a wonderful posting. Orion you have really handled this entire matter with a lot of understanding and class. well done.

    i hope your meeting goes very well and you will keep us posted as to how things go. although actually that would be intruding in your privacy and space - maybe it is something we shouldn't know


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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    Ellen's message is right on target. We need visibility beyond stereotypes as doctorsun mentioned above. Ellen has a large audience and she was able to convey a powerful message in just a couple of minutes. Bravo, Ellen!!

    Thanks for posting the video, DMode4Life!

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    I truly hope Hollywood saw that. Perhaps there won't be any more 'Chuck and Larry' trash in the theatres.

    I especially liked the way Ellen took it from laughing at gay jokes to murder.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Neat post orion. both ellen's clip from the other thread and this one made me tear up. tell him it's great of him to do this.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    wow, great story!!

    once, my dad called me up after watching Dr. Phil or some such schlock (mind you, I've been on Oprah - on the guest panel - with peewee herman's twin sister, no less) and told me that he'd come to the sudden realisation that i didn't choose to be gay.

    Orion, thank you SO much for sharing that story with us here at JUB! You made my week!

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    Yes, it is a great post, And you are a great person. Thank you for sharing.
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Thank you for sharing that Orion... the way you handled this says so much about your values, your nature and who you really are. And the fact that you chose forgiveness and understanding... they are 2 of the most powerful things we have at our disposal... right here and now you broke what could have been a cycle of hatred forever. Congratulations mate!

    Its ironic that your school mate says he knew what he was doing was wrong. The defense of hes only a child can only wash so far... the youth of today are far more world wise than their parents... technology has seen to that. How is that we live in a society where even this guys moral compass was telling him that he was hurting you and yet it was ok to keep at it?

    Theres no doubt the only way to stop this is to make it uncool. Kids only understand peer pressure and so if people like Ellen can make it seem wrong then that will go so much further than a teacher or parent. More power to her.

    As for you Orion, mate I think you have personally created a convert and crusader for gay rights out of your school mate - I'm not suggesting he'll wear a rainbow shirt everyday but his ignorrance will be shattered - and those are the people who make a difference, those who have had some sort of epiphany. I hope the meeting goes well and that he finally sees you for the awesome guy you are... not just the gay kid at school!

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    Thanks for sharing such a great story. It simply amazes me how certain television personalities can have such impact on viewers in such a positive way.

    Kudos to you for handling everything so well.


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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    This is wonderful. My heart is warmed by this. He and you both deserve enormous credit.

    I particularly liked how you phrased your forgiveness. Forgiveness isn't something you deserve; it's something you're offered out of compassion. And while it's easier to be compassionate to a deserving person, it's not strictly required!
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Well what do ya know? People do change. I am thoroughly, thoroughly impressed. Dialogue like this should definitely be more encouraged. Thanks for sharing this Orion.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Great story.

    Although you should tell him that forgiveness doesn't mean forgetting and that hopefully he'll teach his kids better so they will never discriminate or make fun of anyone for being different.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    This is an amazing story.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Good for you Orion, you did the right thing. Even though it may have been the harder one.


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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    This is a great story and hopefully more people were impacted by ellen's opening.

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    This thread made my day, my week, my month! (There's a lot of March to go yet, too.) Hope and change often comes one person at a time. As with Mike_n_herrin, both of these affected me emotionally, in the best possible way.

    You are handling it so well and so gracefully, too, OF. Your letter to Ellen may even inspire her in ways we can't predict.

    Anti-gay behavior and speech won't entirely vanish from the world anytime soon, but we now know this small corner of the world has become more enlightened and aware, thanks to you having shared the events with us.
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    That is pretty much an amazing story!

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    Up until a few moments ago, I have to admit that I hadn't heard about this at all, and I'm saying this as a young man who checks news websites every day.

    I commend Ellen for bring up such a delicate and emotional issue, and succeeding in letting people know about these types of events, where traditional "media" fails.

    While Ellen does mention the idea of starting with gay joke, leading to bashing, and then leading to the worst possible outcome: I think that the idea of how these types of stories are portrayed in the media also brings up a good issue of differences and adversities that we face as a community.

    Again, thank you Ellen for bringing this type of story to both a national and international level; where as otherwise it would not have generated the type of world wide acknowledgment that a story like this needs.

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    Up until seeing that video I was unaware of what had happened to that 8th grader. It made me tear up....how can showing someone affection and wanting them to be your Valentine be so awful it deserves death? If you're not gay, fine....at least be flattered SOMEBODY thinks you're attractive and politely say it's not your cup of tea (listen to me....I talk like 8th graders are capable of such behavior).

    My esteem for Ellen grows exponentially....first her heartfelt plea in regards to the dog adoption gone wrong and now this genuine request for equality makes me think this woman will do more for gay rights than we will ever realize.

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    I have always been a fan of Ellen She's just great all around. And I think it's great she's talking about this issue and bringing attention to it. You go Ellen!!! continue to do what your doing.

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    Re: Ellen Degeneres takes a stand for gays

    The Monday talk shows aren't here yet; there's been a weekend since her comments.

    I'm curious whether Rush, Faux News, etc. are going to pick up on this story and ridicule it. It would fit in with their style. The latter channel has had their roster of Friday night shows, but they just might wait until Monday when more people are watching.

    Ellen's comment can't do anything but help to chip away at the homophobia that still exists, though even with its intensity it's only a baby step.
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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    Guess I couldnt do this back home in India.

    Its the general climate of openness on TV - and the great lead by persons such as Ellen that seem to matter here as elsewhere in the west......

    Also the class with which you handled this Orin ( together with Ellen's own great sense of honesty) - will teach your new friend and through him perhaps many others - to deal with us with a phenomenally high degree of respect.

    Kudos

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    Re: Ellen did make a difference!

    wow, that's such a wonderful story! Thank you for sharing

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