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  1. #151

    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by ubinsider View Post
    i think you guys are making a huge deal about this...He felt uncomfortable about it leave him alone...It's not like he went on a rampage bashing the movie...he was asked a question and he answered it honestly...jeez guys! just because he's not saying OH MY GOD I SO WANTED TO DO THIS MOVIE!!!!! doesn't mean he should be patronized for it. He STRAIGHT! He's gonna get creeped out about gay sex (EVEN IF IT's ACTING)
    As I said before, there is nothing to be CREEPED OUT about, because no one was asking him to have gay sex. And seriously, that scene is so damn brief and crappy, it shouldn't have been that big a deal.

    You're acting like people are calling him a bigot and putting him the same league as Tim Hardaway or Michael Richards. They're not.

    But that doesn't mean his attitude toward gay sex is not offensive.

    I find it a bit odd that he was creeped out by that, but he wasn't creeped out by his own scene in Boogie nights where he got into a car and tried to jerk himself off for another guy. Why didn't that scene meet his standards of creepiness?

    I'm the first person to shoot down gay men who are angry because some straight guy doesn't enjoy watching two men get it on, because why would they? They're straight. And like I said, it makes sense that it would make him uncomfortable or uneasy. But in your last film you shot a man dead. It's easier for you to play that than to play a man who's in love with another man?

    Then he has the nerve to say that obviously the movie was well received because the homosexuality was done in taste. Excuse me? So because this is a story about two gay men, the sex needs to be tasteful and classy, yet there’s no problem with the millions of raunchy and explicit heterosexual sex scenes that are out there in movies that have been great films.
    Hit the nail on.the.head.

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    Joaquin Phoenix and Mark Wahlberg in those kissing scenes?

    Oh, hot damn, that would've been so sexy!

    My goodness, the imagery...


    Anyway, "the spitting in the hand" got to him? Would he prefer dry? Or maybe he would only use more sanitary lube.

    With such thoughtful words about his uncle, too.

    Oh, well, no wonder Ang Lee passed him over for the part.

  3. #153

    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by JDsmagik View Post
    Joaquin Phoenix and Mark Wahlberg in those kissing scenes?

    Oh, hot damn, that would've been so sexy!

    My goodness, the imagery...


    Anyway, "the spitting in the hand" got to him? Would he prefer dry? Or maybe he would only use more sanitary lube.

    With such thoughtful words about his uncle, too.

    Oh, well, no wonder Ang Lee passed him over for the part.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    OMG Mark Walhburg is a Joe Bloggs guy lets kill him for it. Put your handbags away ladies.

    Guess what gay sex in any shape or form freaks hetreo men out. The guy may have been brought up like most here in a hoime were hertreo is the norm. Also so does straight to alot here eg the whole sex with women threads and guy guys running it down. Kettle and black are really springing to mind here. Guess what I like honest actors I hate the ones who try and patronise fans by stating they get on with all their co-stars they love their fans etc. Reality check Cher Kylie and Madonna have used the Gay communities love of cheesey pop for years to keep them in their sweet millionaire lifestyles. You actually think they give a fuck about gay issues?

    Well done Mark for stating the truth to one question asked. I'm not going to boycott your films, let more celebs be honest and stop pussy footing around all the senesitive queens out there.
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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    I see absolutely nothing wrong with being uncomfortable with someone being uncomfortable watching what's basically homosexual soft core porn at times. Leave the man alone.

  6. #156

    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Seriously, its like the guy can't have an opinion or something..Believe it or not gay sex is still rather taboo & it still makes A LOT of people uncomfortable (especially a straight guy) to see on screen. He didn't degrade gays with name calling & didn't say he hated us either...please, I get uncomfortable watching horror movies, Tampax commercials around my mom, or "Glitter"

    LoL, I also get uncomfortable watching the Health Channel & seeing women give birth (its supposed to be a miraculous beautiful thing, no?)...am I terrible person or a douche bag because it makes me squeamish?

    People who are bashing Mark need to get over themselves

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    I see absolutely nothing wrong with being uncomfortable with someone being uncomfortable watching what's basically homosexual soft core porn at times. Leave the man alone.
    why does he not leave us alone with such hateful comments, if you did not get the role move on why do u need to expreesss that it creeped you out,,,uncomfortable yes,,, but you know what i think about when i see a CREEEP......do you get it now gosh

  8. #158

    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Mark Walhberg had a kissing scene with Philip Seymour Hoffman in Boogie Night, remember?

    Anyway, when he was Marky Mark, he made a major scene when he demanded that his I-can't-remember body make-up artist to be changed, just because the artist was a he, and not a she.

    That guy has an issue.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by rigr33 View Post
    why does he not leave us alone with such hateful comments, if you did not get the role move on why do u need to expreesss that it creeped you out,,,uncomfortable yes,,, but you know what i think about when i see a CREEEP......do you get it now gosh
    Yes because "I was a little creeped out. It was very graphic, descriptive" .... is clearly just the most hateful comment ever... COME ON I don't know about YOU but Marky Marky HAS BEEN leaving me alone... Has he been picketing in front of your house and have I just not been aware? This is the same as that Jeniffer Hudson shit... these people are celebrities, they spend more time in interviews than you can imagine. They answer questions and talk about things they're directed to talk about like, as I'm sure is the case he was asked about his feelings on nearly getting Brokeback. For god's sake people are allowed to have opinions and emotions that AREN'T your own. It is perfectly OK for someone straight to be a little creeped out by the possibility of shooting a graphic gay sex scence .

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    he's an actor...it's not like he was going to be having sex with his co-star. This was not Shortbus, you weirdos. He's just a little insecure man. Pathetic

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by crakker_jakk View Post
    uuh yeah thanks for clearing that up, but i read the article... and if you read my post then you'd see i was replying to piscesken.. keep up or step aside...
    Meh.

    I was responding to the topic, not you. I didn't even read what you said until you quoted me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    Meh.

    I was responding to the topic, not you. I didn't even read what you said until you quoted me.

    oh ok.. i guess you didn't read the original topic either since piscesken was the first person to bring up any 'kiss' in this thread...

  13. #163

    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    There are ways of saying that you might find playing gay awkward or uncomfortable. Saying it creeps you out is unnecessarily hostile to people who are gay and he'd have to be an idiot not to know that. But then again he has no education to speak of and has never struck me as that bright.

    Although he occasionally make amends, the guy has a history of homophobia. As a public figure, he can support gays, keep quiet about them or attack them. Unlike many straight actors, Wahlberg's inclination is to attack gays. My guess is that doing that lets him stay close to gay issues without identifying too much with them, like preachers who attack prostitution.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by spensed2 View Post
    There are ways of saying that you might find playing gay awkward or uncomfortable. Saying it creeps you out is unnecessarily hostile to people who are gay and he'd have to be an idiot not to know that. But then again he has no education to speak of and has never struck me as that bright.

    Although he occasionally make amends, the guy has a history of homophobia. As a public figure, he can support gays, keep quiet about them or attack them. Unlike many straight actors, Wahlberg's inclination is to attack gays. My guess is that doing that lets him stay close to gay issues without identifying too much with them, like preachers who attack prostitution.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by Absolut345 View Post
    Yeah, he still looked damn fine at the Oscars though.

    Whatever Mark.
    Oh Yes! Marky looked breathtaking in black tie!!

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by spensed2 View Post
    There are ways of saying that you might find playing gay awkward or uncomfortable. Saying it creeps you out is unnecessarily hostile to people who are gay and he'd have to be an idiot not to know that. But then again he has no education to speak of and has never struck me as that bright.

    Although he occasionally make amends, the guy has a history of homophobia. As a public figure, he can support gays, keep quiet about them or attack them. Unlike many straight actors, Wahlberg's inclination is to attack gays. My guess is that doing that lets him stay close to gay issues without identifying too much with them, like preachers who attack prostitution.
    Good point. He does have a history of being "homophobic" and he could have used a better term. But I still get that he isn't comfortable with "gay sex" so I understand that part.. and there is nothing to get upset about him getting "creeped out" about playing the part. But he could have used a better term I suppose.

    Of course if he had been "black" or some other minority and they had said "creeped out" there would have been a storm on this damn board. And do NOT deny it either, because you know its true.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by spensed2 View Post
    There are ways of saying that you might find playing gay awkward or uncomfortable. Saying it creeps you out is unnecessarily hostile to people who are gay and he'd have to be an idiot not to know that. But then again he has no education to speak of and has never struck me as that bright.

    Although he occasionally make amends, the guy has a history of homophobia. As a public figure, he can support gays, keep quiet about them or attack them. Unlike many straight actors, Wahlberg's inclination is to attack gays. My guess is that doing that lets him stay close to gay issues without identifying too much with them, like preachers who attack prostitution.
    i agreee, man



    if you are a celeb you hav a responsibility to watch what you are saying and putting out there millions of people are trying to be like you, words like that are not acceptable and to the guy who compares this jennifer hudson, its not the same thing. jen says its what the bible says, the bible says that. period.....she loves gays bis whatever, she never said oooooogay sex is creepy......guys u need to wake uop and pay attention to words

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    Hey the guy is allowed his own opinion considering it would be him on the big screen doing "the deed" at lease he was honest about it. Aloot of my straight friends dotn want to see it as well and I totally respect them for that. I mean we are all different and deserve respect for our indiviual views. One last thing are we really still talkinig about this movie? lol!

    Hope you all are having a great year so far!

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by rigr33 View Post
    if you are a celeb you hav a responsibility to watch what you are saying and putting out there millions of people are trying to be like you, words like that are not acceptable and to the guy who compares this jennifer hudson, its not the same thing. jen says its what the bible says, the bible says that. period.....she loves gays bis whatever, she never said oooooogay sex is creepy......guys u need to wake uop and pay attention to words
    hot and smart... i think i'm in love..

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Yes because "I was a little creeped out. It was very graphic, descriptive" .... is clearly just the most hateful comment ever... COME ON I don't know about YOU but Marky Marky HAS BEEN leaving me alone... Has he been picketing in front of your house and have I just not been aware? This is the same as that Jeniffer Hudson shit... these people are celebrities, they spend more time in interviews than you can imagine. They answer questions and talk about things they're directed to talk about like, as I'm sure is the case he was asked about his feelings on nearly getting Brokeback. For god's sake people are allowed to have opinions and emotions that AREN'T your own. It is perfectly OK for someone straight to be a little creeped out by the possibility of shooting a graphic gay sex scence .
    Amen Brother Amen.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    marky wantedjp to fuck him

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    For some reason or another, time to time over the years, Mark Wahlberg has led me think of him as a latent bisexual.
    http://i27.tinypic.com/2nlbo8x.jpg

    Yeah, the bitch is BACK!

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    If Jennifer Hudson can say we are going to burn in hell, a straight man can be a little creeped out about playing a man who took it up the ass. It's not like he called us sinners, and quoted we are wrong sick human beings like the cow who should remain nameless. He is just sheltered and it took him by suprise.

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    hudson and wahlberg = limited thinkers. don't expect much intelligence from either of them

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    He has a right to his opinion, but 'creeped out'?? That's crossing the line there. Mark Wahlburg is a confusing specimen, so I won't bother trying to dissect his reasons for saying it, but I really understand why he was turned down for the role, Heath and Jake are so much better looking then Mark and Jaqouin(or however u spell it), and they look better in a picture together, also, they're much better actors.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    the best way to react negatively to his comments is not to spend money on him in any form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babylulu View Post
    he's an actor...it's not like he was going to be having sex with his co-star. This was not Shortbus, you weirdos. He's just a little insecure man. Pathetic
    Exactly....

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    Well, you know what they say, most homophobes are classic closet cases. So
    Perez Hilton if you're reading this thread, keep an eye out for this one.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    I remember reading somewhere years ago that outside of a concert he stuck his dick through a fence and teased some gay boys.

    I don't remember where I read it and I don't have a link. It was during the 80's or early nineties.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by crakker_jakk View Post
    hot and smart... i think i'm in love..
    thks i appreciate it plus i am humble....i guess some people are never gonna get it.....i am not all out or anything like that but i wont stand for anyone belittling me by making subtle comments that people take for granted and walkby and then they complain when someone gets bashed or beaten to deaath. anyways i am over it.

    emmm just a note if someone said ohhhh i did not want to do a movie because it involved this person of adifferent race and they stink etc etc in least subtle way i wonder whether our gereation will be this tolerant of racial diversity as it is today.....

    ok......NEXTTTTTTT

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Well that does it! I'm just going to have to fuck Marky Mark so he won't be creeped out anymore. Oh the things I do for my community!

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    I have to agree with you there, Nik2.

    But then again this is the same Marky Mark that has been convicted of hate crimes before. I probably wouldn't want to be anywhere near someone like that, that is a confirmed racist and homophobe.

    But he is hot I have to agree.
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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    I hate Mark Wahlberg i don't like any of his movies.
    Not even boogie nights with that obvious fake dick!
    He is so arrogant and stupid, It's acting buddy thats why your in Hollywood?
    His like trying so hard to "Prove" his manhood!
    His such a loser his not a good actor anyways, he would have fucked up the movie.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    who cares what he thinks, lets just admire his body!

    http://www.solisstyle.com/solishop/i...kBRIEFicon.jpg


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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    I have to agree with you there, Nik2.

    But then again this is the same Marky Mark that has been convicted of hate crimes before. I probably wouldn't want to be anywhere near someone like that, that is a confirmed racist and homophobe.

    But he is hot I have to agree.
    Yeah, it's really sad that a guy who's "turned his life around" can't seem to embrace a more tolerant attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    I have to agree with you there, Nik2.

    But then again this is the same Marky Mark that has been convicted of hate crimes before. I probably wouldn't want to be anywhere near someone like that, that is a confirmed racist and homophobe.

    But he is hot I have to agree.
    I didn't know he was a confirmed racist Lostlover... That is a surprise for me.. well actually it shouldn't be..

    Well you never know what is really going on in someones head. He is laughing in your face one minute and calling you the "N" word behind your back.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    he's a hottie and everything yes he's entitled to his own opinion. but for some reason i think he has some other issues going on. hot as hell yes, doin me in a minute for sure, mad respect for him i dont think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Queer View Post
    OMG Mark Walhburg is a Joe Bloggs guy lets kill him for it. Put your handbags away ladies.

    Guess what gay sex in any shape or form freaks hetreo men out.
    I couldn't agree more....

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    Would some of you be disgusted at the thought of a vagina?

    Peek a boo!

    Now why would it seem so strange that Markie wouldn't want this role?

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    ^^ My god that is disgusting..

    That isn't a joke either. I almost puked at the site of that... YUCK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmander View Post
    Would some of you be disgusted at the thought of a vagina?

    Peek a boo!

    Now why would it seem so strange that Markie wouldn't want this role?
    Your point is moot. Mark was not asked to put a penis in his face, not asked to put his tongue or his dick in an ass.

    THIS WAS NOT SHORTBUS. It's all pretend, people. Acting.

    In contrast, Tom Cavanaugh who plays gay in an upcoming film had this to say about the experience.

    Tom Cavanagh, who plays a gay ex-Toronto Maple Leaf in the upcoming film Breakfast with Scot is just the latest actor to be asked about what it's like to kiss a man onscreen in this interview on NBC sports:

    Breakfastwithscot_1_2JW: Let's play "$20,000 Pyramid", the bonus round. I'm giving the clues. Here goes. 'Julie Bowen, Kelly Ripa, Rena Sofer, Bridget Moynahan, Ben Shenkman...'
    TC: Um, 'People Who Are Better-Looking Than Me?'
    JW: I'm sorry. We were looking for 'People I've Kissed Onscreen.'
    TC: Here's the problem with that. You ever hear Conan O'Brien talk about the problem with having gone to Harvard? It means that you're sentenced to a lifetime of, whenever you do anything halfway stupid, having to hear, "And you went to Harvard?" Likewise, when you get to kiss these beautiful women, for the rest of your life you get no sympathy. "Oh, your leg was severed at the knee? At least you got to kiss Bridget Moynahan."

    JW: You even feel that way about Ben Shenkman (whom Tom kisses in the not-yet released "Breakfast With Scot")?
    TC: Let me quote Keats here: "Beauty is truth, and truth is beauty." And when you're as good-looking as Ben Shenkman, it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman. Although, I'm not sure if Ben's wife wants to hear me say that.


    Given the media's fascination with how male actors can possibly deal with having to kiss another man onscreen, I've got a feeling Cavanagh's going to have a lot more questions like this coming his way. And Breakfast, about a gay couple raising a gay kid, has already begun to inspire controversy.
    So much for the "I'm straight" excuse.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by Charmander View Post
    Would some of you be disgusted at the thought of a vagina?

    Peek a boo!

    Now why would it seem so strange that Markie wouldn't want this role?
    I think most women don't shave their hair of this area, so actually pussies usually don't look so bad like that one. They just can't turn us on.

    Well, I know a gay guy, not married yet, but already have 3 sons by fucking women, wonder how he could have done that.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Mark is a loser. He's finished anyway....and looking rough!!

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    I love how Mark having to stand there and thrust into the air for a few minutes, PRETENDING to have sex with a man equals looking at the inside anatomy of a vagina.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    I've done some severe pruning on this thread as too many of you had your handbags out and were resorting to personal attacks instead of discussion. Please play nicely guys.

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by Charmander View Post
    Would some of you be disgusted at the thought of a vagina?

    Peek a boo!

    Now why would it seem so strange that Markie wouldn't want this role?

    That's the most biology book picture I've seen. I would guess half the time the guys don't see most of this but then again its been awhile since I done biology. Anyway I could show you someone's shitcovered rectum and explain in parts why gay sex freaks straight men out.
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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by sunoftheskye View Post
    I love how Mark having to stand there and thrust into the air for a few minutes, PRETENDING to have sex with a man equals looking at the inside anatomy of a vagina.
    well said

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Kissing women? That's gross, they have cooties and taste like lip gloss. Whoopdie doo, Mark is uncomfortable with the same sex. He's a bigot and a hater and a sinner and doomed to hell

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Wrong hole fool!

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    Re: Mark Wahlberg "Creeped Out" By Brokeback Mountain

    Quote Originally Posted by Charmander View Post
    Kissing women? That's gross, they have cooties and taste like lip gloss. Whoopdie doo, Mark is uncomfortable with the same sex. He's a bigot and a hater and a sinner and doomed to hell
    See the difference is that he didn't even mention the kissing. If he had talked about the kissing scenes instead of the sex scene, I would be 90% less disappointed by this comment.

    Because the kissing is something he would ACTUALLY have to do. Whereas the sex scene is just pretend.

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