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    Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Very cool. When they are out and accept themselves maybe they'll have the freedom within focus on other things.

    AMSTERDAM, 19/01/07 - Children will participate this summer in the Gay Pride festival. They will have a boat for themselves during the piquant parade through the capital's canals.

    As in a carnival parade, groups of men annually go through the canals in countless boats, often scantily clad. With the support of gay rights organisation COC, a 14 year old boy, Danny Hoekzema, has now taken the initiative to have a boat with homosexual children participate on 4 August.

    The boy put a call to peers to accompany him on his website. The minimum age for homosexuals that want to join him on the boat is 11 years. "From this age, there is already demand among young homos to have contacts with their peers of the same proclivity," according to COC.

    The 14 year old boy has arranged a boat with the help of the COC that can carry 30 gay children. "Recent research shows that homos may come out at a younger and younger age, but only find little connections via the regular bodies," according to COC. "It is difficult for boys under 16 to meet their peers."
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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    WHAT THE FUCK!

    Gay kids? Are they sure they're even gay?

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    This is wrong, and it will be wrong for all the stereotypical reasons:

    Gay men are paedos because they want young people in a sexual way, and this gay pride boat is proof.

    Let's hope the organisers do a lot of thinking before they put it on.


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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    I no longer go to Gay Pride Parades, they have lost their original meaning to me, I stress, to me, but I am amazed that a 14 year old has more "get up and go" than many people much older than he is.
    I wish him all the best in his endeavour.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    That would make me nervous... seeing a float of 11- 16 year old boys on a float in the same parade as drag queens with feather boas on roller skates, as there usually are...

    "Look, mom and dad, that's what I'm gonna be when I grow up..."



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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Marvelous.......more ammunition for the religious right

    I think it's great they've accepted they are gay at that age, but it's wrong for them to be involved in Pride!!! There's plenty of time for that when they are 18 onwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theyoungman View Post
    WHAT THE FUCK!

    Gay kids? Are they sure they're even gay?
    I think there are few guys on here that knew before they were 10, me I knew at 13 but it took a long time for me to accept it, I envy them accepting it at the age to be honest.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    This Dutch 29 year old kid is glad. In this country the religious right wouldn't even contemplate the concept of gays being child molesters. The COC has been reaching out to teens for decades now, so while perhaps having the children on the boat is new, this approach to emancipation of LGBTs isn't.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    This is wrong, and it will be wrong for all the stereotypical reasons:

    Gay men are paedos because they want young people in a sexual way, and this gay pride boat is proof.

    Let's hope the organisers do a lot of thinking before they put it on.
    I've seen kids in every parade I've ever done to. Not just gay kids either, straight ones too. PFLAG, Kids of Lesbians and Gays and other support groups.

    These kids will be on a boat themed for themselves. There's nothing sexual about them wanting to be in the parade.

    Here we go again with equating gay pride with sex.

    If this kid wants to have himself and his peers in a parade then I support him. FUCK what the opposition is going to think.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Nickerson View Post
    That would make me nervous... seeing a float of 11- 16 year old boys on a float in the same parade as drag queens with feather boas on roller skates, as there usually are...

    "Look, mom and dad, that's what I'm gonna be when I grow up..."
    A drag queen in a feather boa? This is the worst you can think they'll see?

    And, if these kids already realize they are gay, I think they've had the "Look, mom and dad..." chat.

    I can think of entire stretches of pride parades I've seen where these kids could be tucked in. Put them between PFLAG, AIDS Aware, HRC, Amnesty International, Corp Sponsors....

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    This is wrong, and it will be wrong for all the stereotypical reasons:

    Gay men are paedos because they want young people in a sexual way, and this gay pride boat is proof.

    Let's hope the organisers do a lot of thinking before they put it on.
    Thats a very American attitude.

    Here in Europe we;re a little more relaxed, and in Denmark.. well, theyre so far laid back they're almost on their backs!!

    This is a great thing for homosexuals - i knew at 11 i was gay, just didnt have the balls to admit it to myself, let alone anyone else - thank fuck things have moved on so much from then.

    Well done mainland Europe for showing the rest of the world how it should be done once again!

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    I disagree.

    Sadly, Gay Pride is the one event where parents have to shield their children's eyes from the view (whether they're homophobic or not). I think this idea is in very poor taste. 11 years-old? Why not 8 or 7? But it's Amsterdam so I guess anything goes.

    So will their float be in front or behind the leather-daddy S&M?

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    My ex wife and I took are kids several years in a row to see the pride parade here in Montreal starting when they were 3 years old. We never had a problem, and hopefully in the futur it will help them be more accepting of people.
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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    When it comes to "virtues", or "morality", or "prudishness", or "Political Correctness", The United States is so far BEHIND the rest of the World it is really quite pathetic! It's also an interesting paradox! ...

    Our Puritanical Forefathers did their best to subdue Sex because it was a tool of the Devil! But in doing so, only gave it more power! And, thanks to that, "Madison Avenue" can now sell ANYTHING! Sex is so much, continuously, "in our faces", that it seems to be the American National Preoccupation! It's high time we "Get Over It"!!

    Gay Pride is not about Sex! It's about accepting yourself, and others, for who, and what, we all are! It's about Respect, Compassion, and Concern for our fellow beings. It's about Tolerance, Civility, and Inclusion. It's about "All men are created Equal ..." It's about the true epitomy of FREEDOM!

    Yes ... kids should be sheltered and protected. But we must not forget that they are People, too. And many are more aware of their world, and their place in it, than we give them credit for.

    I'm quite impressed with the 14yr old who came up with this! And I see no reason that cogent 11yr olds should not be allowed to participate, too!

    This is a "Good Thing"! More power to them!!

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    I like how people think the parade organizers don't have enough common sense to put the kids in an appropriate portion of the parade.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Wow, I can't believe some of the negative comments in this thread.

    I always hated that whole "You can't be gay till you're 18" mentality.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Ooh, I donno about this......

    I mean it's great thing that parade is open to everyone...
    But...Don't you remember what you are most interested in when you are around 11~14 or near that age...
    I am NOT saying that they will get or take some kind of sexual activity during the parade or after the parade
    But when I was 11 or 14 I was really, I mean REALLY interested about sex.
    And at pride parade, there will be many gays that shows their body and dancing with their package swinging around.....

    I mean, why the hell your parents didn't want you to see night programs on tv or sex scene in the movie when you are kid? Or go online and search porn site?

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by kimihiko View Post
    Ooh, I donno about this......

    I mean it's great thing that parade is open to everyone...
    But...Don't you remember what you are most interested in when you are around 11~14 or near that age...
    I am NOT saying that they will get or take some kind of sexual activity during the parade or after the parade
    But when I was 11 or 14 I was really, I mean REALLY interested about sex.
    And at pride parade, there will be many gays that shows their body and dancing with their package swinging around.....

    I mean, why the hell your parents didn't want you to see night programs on tv or sex scene in the movie when you are kid? Or go online and search porn site?
    Well let's see around 13 and 14, people around me had girlfriends. Hell I went through two girlfriends at the age of 13. It was just holding hands, and a peck ont he cheek, dancing at the school dances.
    Now I didn't want these but I was tired of getting called a fag and my ass being handed to me by 8 guys beating me up.

    Is being gay only about sex to you?

    I think it woudl of been nice to have a boyfriend when I was 14 or 13, and all we did was dance at the school dances, and watch movies together and hodl hands and peck on the cheek.

    But god being gay isn't just about sex.

    (oh and btw when I was 15when I stumbled onto porn sites.)

    And as far as I know Nudity isn't a big deal over there.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Effortless_Pro View Post

    And as far as I know Nudity isn't a big deal over there.

    Absolutely right Pro...

    You have to remember that attitudes in mainland Europe and America are VASTLY different... worlds apart really.

    One can only really get a feel for how it is, by visiting the countries.

    We (they) have none of the hang ups America seems to have... each country is different.

    I.e we have hang ups about being able to buy firearms with your milk down the grocery store... you have hang ups about us being openly gay from such a young age.

    Swings and roundabouts.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by joeslifeyork View Post
    Absolutely right Pro...

    You have to remember that attitudes in mainland Europe and America are VASTLY different... worlds apart really.

    One can only really get a feel for how it is, by visiting the countries.

    We (they) have none of the hang ups America seems to have... each country is different.

    I.e we have hang ups about being able to buy firearms with your milk down the grocery store... you have hang ups about us being openly gay from such a young age.

    Swings and roundabouts.
    I find it really disheartening that people are so shocked, and ashamed of nudity.

    My boyfriend is from Finland, and it's not uncommon for the family to be running around naked in the morning preparing breakfast, there's nudity on the television and it's not a big deal... and when everyone goes in the "sauna" as it's called they're naked and no one's screaming "THE CHILDREN! THE CHILDREN CAN SEE EACHOTHER NAKED! OH THE HUMANITY! NOW THEY'RE GOING TO GROW UP AND BE PERVERTS! OOOOOOOOOOOOH WHAT A WORLD!"

    Mind you I'd be a little shocked at first, but that's only because of the North American hang ups and my own self conciousness.... But really? What's with this bullshit mentality that you "can't be gay till your 18?" It's really fucking stupid. It's not liek the 11-14 year olds are going to be wearing speedos and bikini briefs.

    Just "ugh" sometimes.


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    I seriously question what kids think they know, and how much they should be exposed to political, religious and sexual influences at such a young age. God knows, I used to believe in catholicism and the liberal party of canada, only because that's mostly what my parents exposed me to. If kids want to attend parades, go to church, be political, I'm fine with that, but I hope it's their own idea and decision to go.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Ok now I'm acting like a member of school board or something....

    I think if people who are 13 or whatever their age are I think if they are still in process of compulsory educations I think they should forcus on what they should. For students who are still in compulsory education should forcus on study, sports, making a friend, DEALING WITH TEIR PROBLEMS, I think those stuffs are what they should forcus on...not their sexualty...

    I am not saying that they can't make a girlfriend or boyfriend or sex friend during that time but I think if they are still in compulsory educations that means they MIGHT make a misdecision and they can't take all responsibility of what they do.
    So I'm saying what's gonna happen if they made a misdecision? The media and all homophobics will blame adult gay who were not responsiblity for those kids and who know pride parade might be last....

    I did not mean being gay is all about sex. If I sounded that way then I'm sorry.
    But I think if they KNOW that they are gay that means they know it's not just holding hands or peck on the cheek. I wouldn't join to parade if I'm still confusing about my sexualty or thinking that I'm just curious about same sex person. So to me, those kids who said they are gay know about "everything" or least have a general knowledge of beyond holding hands or peck on the cheek.
    I just don't feel right that these curious kids will expose to the risk of getting in to some kind of trouble cause of the parade somehow...

    And IMO, nudity isn't problem between family...I don't care about 15yo kid saw adult's nude for first time other than family member. But I just don't feel right that under 12yo kid sees stranger's that much exposed skin on the public street...

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    I wonder how they decided on the age of eleven as the youngest to participate?

    I mean, isn't it classically accepted that age seven is the Age of Reason?

    Or is this float to look something like a Menudo audition?

    Perhaps it has something to do with parade insurance liability? Boys younger than eleven might slip off the float as did that nine-year-old Boy Scout a few weeks ago. They surely could provide the youngest homosexual children something to hold onto while riding (couldn't they?).

    They could design the float where the older boys line the perimeter and in the center of the float, there could be constructed a tree fort type structure in which the youngest boys could sit lokking out windows and waving.

    They could even add a giant stork float made of begonias and lower the age of participants even more.



    And then, it is true. How do you handle this "unique" child homosexual float in any manner that will not come across as looking like it was sponsored by NAMBLA?

    I hope the parents walk along all sides of it (at the very least).

    Do the boys dress in soccer uniforms? Or oversized moppet clothing?

    That could sent the wrong message.

    Obviously none will be allowed to wear the jockstrap and chaps of the men on the float just ahead of theirs.

    ITS MIGHTY TRICKY.


    I would rather the schools these kids attend have a GLBT "festival" in the gym or their own night of Pride in all things than to strut small children through the public streets.

    Of course, a boy of eleven or even six can be homosexual. But is it time to make such a public demonstration of it? I mean, to whom is one announcing the fact?

    They are miles away from really discovering what their sexuality may or may not mean to them.


    And if its not "sexual" on some level at least, how does a boy of eleven "know" he is homosexual? He likes his dad? He has a best friend who is a boy?

    Its of course LOADED in sexual issues and not merely "identity" and "pride" as would seem so easy and politically-correct.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

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    I disagree.

    Sadly, Gay Pride is the one event where parents have to shield their children's eyes from the view (whether they're homophobic or not). I think this idea is in very poor taste. 11 years-old? Why not 8 or 7? But it's Amsterdam so I guess anything goes.

    So will their float be in front or behind the leather-daddy S&M?
    3 year olds can wear tiny bikinis these days, and many 8 year old Muslim girls already where an "I'm too sexy too walk on the street uncovered" headscarf.
    I'd be a lot more disturbed about that.

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    I'm not sure what's tricky about it.

    The kids can dress like they normally do or in something creative if they wish. Moppet costumes? Why do you assume that gay people will want to objectify them? Soccer uniforms?

    It's a canal, not a street and I'm sure the parents will be on the float with them.

    Why is this any more tricky then when gay parents have their kids in strollers in the parade? Or PFLAG marches? Or COLAGE marches?

    I think a simple sign on the float will let people know who they are and what their float is about. Why would people assume NAMBLA? IF they see a float filled with blonde haired, blue-eyed white guys will they assume they are Gay Neo-Nazis?

    Show of hands, who's actually been to a pride parade?

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    I have been to this one once. I might even join this year.

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    I think its trickier because the centerpiece of this homosexual child float will be the children.

    Unlike PFLAG where the attention isn't on the child's sexuality but his/her presence is usually there in support of a homosexual dad, uncle, lesbian mother or motherS and/or nannies who are bi, this time its about looking at and displaying the child's sexuality itself.

    And when is that the right time? Its not to judge when a kid knows or feels he/she is gay or whatever sexuality but instead when its really the right time, place and method to demonstrate that in the street (or waterways).

    That is a whole different thing than whether a person is or isn't "gay".

    A boy of eleven may be ready to wave and announce to the whole world that he is "gay". But I would bet if there are 15 gay little boys on that float, a handful of them will have an issue - not with the gayness- but the parading of that in years to come.

    To me, its not unlike but more serious and complicated as when one sees young children at rabid political rallies or KKK riots. The parents in those cases are the ones making a show of their children and pushing them into a public scene.

    For every boy of eleven who is truly passionate, self-possessed and cognitively mature to know what he's doing and why he's screaming "CLINTON IN 08", I would again bet many kids at such a rally will be laughing at themselves in old home movies twenty years from now and asking their parents why the fuck they had them dress in Clinton buttons and took them to the rally and put them on camera.

    There is time enough to announce to the world one is gay. Whats the rush to load up a barge of young children and have them pronounce their sexuality?

    Or if they want to, fine. But then to further say it has no "sexual" implications from within or without would seem naive.

    Isn't a boy self-knowing enough to be on that barge also smart enough to know that part of what he's announcing is that he likes cock?

    Or is this a Utopian float sailing down the river full of arcadian ideals where the boys only know they are somehow "not for girls" but have no idea why they play the Pan flute as the sun sets over Olympus?

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    ^ and will the Gay Childrens' Float precede or follow this float?

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    The Pope could be given flowers by children. Saddam, may Satan insert a hot poker into his puckered ass, was photographed petting children. Hitler was filmed being greeted by a whole host of them.
    Tell me why the kids can't have one boat in an entire fleet that is made up by many different people, many of whom are straight?

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    I agree. I think that whenever children are used in such public relations manner, there must be tremendous attention paid to the actual child and not the 'event' unto itself.

    The event of having a homosexual child barge is one thing. But the participants cannot possibly know the implications of what they're doing when they're only children.

    Isn't it enough for parents to bring their homosexual children to such events, get a soda pop, wander around, meet some men in jockstraps? What PARENT wants their eleven year old son upon a float publicly announcing his homosexuality?

    What if (just IF) the boy meets some girl at 14 and "realizes" he's not all that gay or just bi or whatever.

    The child with so much support around him (after all, he must have supportive FAMILY/parents around him if they're all there on the float with him) need to express it so young in such a public venue?

    There is something missing in all this.

    That is why it all SMELLS of NAMBLA-esque objectives - as many wish to lower the Age of Consent in many countries to 11, 9...remove the age of consent completely.

    If you can get 20 boys on a float, on cam and publicly proclaiming to be happy, self-acknowledged homosexuals, it is an arrow in the pedophile's quiver.

    I find the whole "concept" suspect.

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    ^ and will the Gay Childrens' Float precede or follow this float?
    No, that's not peverted enough for us sick homosexuals. There isn't enough nudity and chance of actually doing lasting damage to the kid.

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    The boy put a call to peers to accompany him on his website.
    Yes, NAMBLA must be behind it.

    I hope he wasn't expecting acceptance from all of the gay community.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Remains of the Gay View Post
    Isn't it enough for parents to bring their homosexual children to such events, get a soda pop, wander around, meet some men in jockstraps? What PARENT wants their eleven year old son upon a float publicly announcing his homosexuality?

    .
    This thought really gets me. You know what kind of parent ? A parent who realizes that there is nothing wrong with being gay!! Like my earlier post says I have been bringing my two boys to pride parades since they were 3 years old, ya there has been maybe a little nudity but nothing that compares to the drunken debauchery that goes on every year at the Montreal St. Patricks day parade! People openly drinking and getting sloshed out of their minds,puking people, loud obnoxious people.

    Would I want my sons ( by the way they are 10 now) marching in a pride parade? It would totally be up to them, if one of my boys decided for what ever reason that he wanted to be in a float in a pride parade, I would let him. I hid in the closet for 37 years of my life due to public pressure and opinions, and my family upbringing and I swear my kids will never have to suffer like I did. I am trying to teach them that this is a very large planet and there are all kinds of different people out there, and you know what? That is OK!
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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Just some other thoughts (for some reason I could not edit My above post) I wanted to add that the St. Patricks parade in Montreal is a supposed family affair with over 200000 in attendance and I have seen far worse things there then at any pride parade. Being gay is not a choice or a sickness, and is definatly not something to be ashamed about, and the sooner people realize this the better off we will be.
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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood View Post
    This thought really gets me. You know what kind of parent ? A parent who realizes that there is nothing wrong with being gay!! Like my earlier post says I have been bringing my two boys to pride parades since they were 3 years old, ya there has been maybe a little nudity but nothing that compares to the drunken debauchery that goes on every year at the Montreal St. Patricks day parade! People openly drinking and getting sloshed out of their minds,puking people, loud obnoxious people.

    Would I want my sons ( by the way they are 10 now) marching in a pride parade? It would totally be up to them, if one of my boys decided for what ever reason that he wanted to be in a float in a pride parade, I would let him. I hid in the closet for 37 years of my life due to public pressure and opinions, and my family upbringing and I swear my kids will never have to suffer like I did. I am trying to teach them that this is a very large planet and there are all kinds of different people out there, and you know what? That is OK!

    Excellent! Just excellent! My thoughts exactly.

    I know for a fact that I understood that I was gay at 14 years old, and I accepted it. It's not so out of this world to believe that a 11 year old, with the support of his parents would accept that he is more attracted to males than he is females. And the mentality that seeing a bunch of guys shirtless wearing odd clothing will permanently damage a child's mind is very American, and very off base.
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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood View Post
    Would I want my sons ( by the way they are 10 now) marching in a pride parade? It would totally be up to them, if one of my boys decided for what ever reason that he wanted to be in a float in a pride parade, I would let him. I hid in the closet for 37 years of my life due to public pressure and opinions, and my family upbringing and I swear my kids will never have to suffer like I did. I am trying to teach them that this is a very large planet and there are all kinds of different people out there, and you know what? That is OK!

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    its too young to be on a parade float with everyone looking at you - strangers, mostly adults - knowing you're a small gay child. Its unnecessary and I would argue not the right "venue".

    if he's gay at 11 and has a good support system what more does a boy need?

    to tell the 10,000 men lining the banks of the river and pointing digi-cams at him (TRUST ME, this float of gay children will make the circuit on the 'net) not to have thoughts and zoom in at will would be something else "as a parent" i would worry about.



    For a child to just attend such an event is often all the support, encouragement & enlightenment he needs at that age. It opens his world and eyes. I have no real problem with children "at" the event (unless they just can't handle massive jockstrap bulge).

    But who exactly is it making the decision that this eleven year old is surely certifiably "gay" and wants or needs to announce that fact to every stranger along a parade route? This isn't a float of "children"; its a float of "gay" children. And that is just too much too soon and maybe just too much labeling.

    If I were a parent and had a homosexual 11 year old son, I would see no real purpose in his participating in such an event (at that age).

    He can be identified for other things or qualities about himself at that age in order to build esteem and make friends.

    Being "gay" (or "straight") ought not be the biggest freaking self-identifier of an eleven year old's life anyway.

    He can be "gay" and be on a baseball float or a boy scout float or the best little chess player float.

    And when everone claims how SEXLESS this all is (only "identity" etc), then what is the point in doing so and so publicly? To what ends at the age of 11?

    Healthy development can occur without a floor show.

    And many are applying their adult perspectives to where it is a child is currently.

    Why do adults want children stating their sexuality even if unexplored (maybe especially when unexplored) in such a public manner?

    Is it the gay equivalent of macho Nascar daddies bringing their butch little sons to belching weekends and getting the kid to say how much he likes big tits?

    People need to be more secure about their sexuality without the big public shows and dramatics.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Remains of the Gay View Post
    He can be "gay" and be on a baseball float or a boy scout float or the best little chess player float.
    He can?????

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    ^ if he's in the baseball uniform, on the baseball float and is GAY, yes.

    Its happened millions of times throughout the ages.

    Hell, even today when I scan the bleachers at a ball game and its packed with nothing but adult men, I still know enough to know that a whopping chunk of them are gay or bi. They really don't need a "gay" section constructed within the bleachers.


    As for the children...there is time enough to be riding on a gay pride float and waving to the crowd. How about when they can do it and know what it truly means?

    Can't the eleven year old child wait another 5 years even? Or is the "Make a Wish" foundation sponsoring this gay child float now?

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Remains of the Gay View Post
    But who exactly is it making the decision that this eleven year old is surely certifiably "gay"
    As near as I can tell from reading the first post (and the source material), THE KIDS THEMSELVES are the ones making this decision. No one is suggesting that the Dutch gay authorities are breaking down doors and pulling children out of their beds to put on this float.

    A 14 year old boy himself asked for this, and if he and kids in his age group (who might also be girls, that fact is being forgotten about) feel Pride, then that's where they should be.

    That being said, given the gyrating and near nudity that they'll be exposed to on the other floats, I'm a little concerned that some of those kids (the boys especially) might try to get in on the action. Hopefully there will be chaperones to make sure this doesn't turn into the pre-teen version of the back room at Babylon.
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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    ^ and we all know that 14 yr old boys come up with the best ideas!


    I knew 14 yr olds (when I was 14) who thought it the BEST idea to hitch to another major city in order to see a concert. And a couple of others in the plot thought it would be an even better idea to try to get rides from only truckers because they could probably fit 6 teen boys into their cab (none of us having been in one - or knowing what some truckers might to youths on the road).

    So the fact a kid came up with the idea doesn't "sell" me on it.

    I imagine some boys that age would also like to wear their underpants outside.

    Such "ideas" should be guided by adults into better solutions (unless the adults surrounding them have other agendas than the child's best interests, of course).

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Remains of the Gay View Post
    its too young to be on a parade float with everyone looking at you - strangers, mostly adults - knowing you're a small gay child. Its unnecessary and I would argue not the right "venue".

    if he's gay at 11 and has a good support system what more does a boy need?

    to tell the 10,000 men lining the banks of the river and pointing digi-cams at him (TRUST ME, this float of gay children will make the circuit on the 'net) not to have thoughts and zoom in at will would be something else "as a parent" i would worry about.
    .
    So then it is true what they say about us gay men, we are all pedophiles?? It sounds like you have some real issues with being gay.

    Can you please explain the difference between an 11 year old being on a St. Patricks day float and an 11 year old being on a gay pride float??? I know I keep referring to St. Patricks day that is just because they are the two largest parades we have in Montreal.
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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

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    So then it is true what they say about us gay men, we are all pedophiles?? It sound like you have some real issues with being gay.

    Can you please explain the difference between an 11 year old being on a St. Patricks day float and an 11 year old being on a gay pride float??? I know I keep referring to St. Patricks day that is just because they are the two largest parades we have in Montreal.
    I'm against it, an 11 year old shouldn't have to think about the fact that they are Irish.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    [QUOTE=Remains of the Gay;2224014]its too young to be on a parade float with everyone looking at you - strangers, mostly adults.
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    I was on a float in the Santa Claus Parade and there were mostly adults looking at me, I was also in a Mail Box get up and I was about 13.

    I was a sexy red canadian mail box! I'm sure I was objectified by the parents and children everywhere.


    The whoel idea that children don't think about their sexual identidy or that they can not be gay until their 18 is stupid.

    The idea that this is wrong is stupid. Remember this is the silly states of America where this is happening either, where's it's not a huge deal if you're gay. And if Children have seen naked people. Get over your damn selves.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    OH my god.... Gay pride parades sound and look horrible.

    The best (and only) one I've seen was the UK bears parade and they weren't half as bad as some of you guys make it seem.

    Oh wait... Nevermind.

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood View Post
    So then it is true what they say about us gay men, we are all pedophiles?? It sounds like you have some real issues with being gay.

    Can you please explain the difference between an 11 year old being on a St. Patricks day float and an 11 year old being on a gay pride float??? I know I keep referring to St. Patricks day that is just because they are the two largest parades we have in Montreal.
    The "issue" isn't parades. And it isn't even children attending gay pride events in general. Why, it isn't (perhaps) even about children riding floats in a gay parade in general.

    now some prudes would not want to see little boys in the vicinity of a gay pride parade. Not because there are PFLAG floats with pamplets and happy grandmothers (of the gays). And not due to the "Lesbian Moms for Gay Adoption" floats. But many don't want their kids anywhere around when floats pass by with men gyrating in bulging g-strings.

    I'm not that sort of a prude though. I think you either bring a child to such an event or you don't. I suspect a responsible parent will chaparone his own child as to open his world without causing him, simultaneously, to become traumatized by 1000 hairy jockstrap crotches in his face.

    But this isn't about kids attending the event or walking the parade route with their two dads. Its not about riding the PFLAG float in support of their gay grandmother and her 19 yr old lover.


    In this situation, there is a difference when the kid is riding the "homosexual children's float". Thats what the barge will be full of - homosexual children.

    Obviously I have no problem with homosexuality. But I do think it premature and inappropriate to have children labeled in such a manner publicly and displayed through the streets (or waterways) as to meet some other objective (under the guise of politically-correct, liberation).

    A child does not really need to declare his sexuality publicly before there has been maturation time to not only realize one's sexuality but to also really come to know oneself enough. Even a homosexual child who may know he is homosexual does not have the ability to make the decision to pronounce that publicly (and on cam) by such tender ages as 10, 11, 12.

    He and his "world" of family can be positive and supportive of his sexuality without involving strangers at that age.

    I don't confuse "gay men" with "pedophiles" although SOME gay men CAN be pedophiles.

    But I do think that for centuries pedophiles have lurked in the shadows of homosexuality and along the fringes of the gay world.

    At any event where there are children being presented for their sexuality, there will be those who mean them well - and others who mean them harm.


    There is no reason a gay community needs 11 yr old boys to make such pronouncements at gay pride events. If anything, it does lend to the sense that gay men recruit and encourage in ways which MOST GAY MEN would never mean to suggest.

    The gay adult community can help, support and encourage gay children and adolescents WITHOUT causing them to be placed on display before a broad, unknown public.

    Sorry, but that's how I feel about it.



    REPOST of the article from the 1st post in this thread:

    AMSTERDAM, 19/01/07 - Children will participate this summer in the Gay Pride festival. They will have a boat for themselves during the piquant parade through the capital's canals.

    As in a carnival parade, groups of men annually go through the canals in countless boats, often scantily clad. With the support of gay rights organisation COC, a 14 year old boy, Danny Hoekzema, has now taken the initiative to have a boat with homosexual children participate on 4 August.

    The boy put a call to peers to accompany him on his website. The minimum age for homosexuals that want to join him on the boat is 11 years. "From this age, there is already demand among young homos to have contacts with their peers of the same proclivity," according to COC.

    The 14 year old boy has arranged a boat with the help of the COC that can carry 30 gay children. "Recent research shows that homos may come out at a younger and younger age, but only find little connections via the regular bodies," according to COC. "It is difficult for boys under 16 to meet their peers."

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Nickerson View Post
    That would make me nervous... seeing a float of 11- 16 year old boys on a float in the same parade as drag queens with feather boas on roller skates, as there usually are...

    "Look, mom and dad, that's what I'm gonna be when I grow up..."


    oohh dear lord why must they dress like so?!

    but yeah they better think this through, most those kids are probly still workin out what their sexuality is...

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    Re: Gay kids, 11 and up, will have a boat in this year's Dutch Pride Parade

    This will probably be the last post I make in this thread, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    Nobody is demanding that Danny or any other kid declare their homosexuality. There is no gun to his head. It was Danny who put out the request for peers, the COC offered help. Some people realize they are gay when they are 6, others when they are 60. There is no reason that kids shouldn't be given the ability to ride in a pride parade if that is what they want to do. They have their parent's support, the parade organizers and in a far removed way, my support.

    I have faith in the adults organizing the parade that the kids will be given an appropriate spot in the parade, their families will be there to support them and I hope they have a wonderful day.

    I do not agree with the thoughts of some who are worried about what "they" will think about this. I think this line of thinking is exactly what "they" want. I think it's great that Danny has accepted himself and wants to meet people his age to learn more.

    Anyway, peace all.

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