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    Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    In the last 24 hours, 1 in 200 emails have been found to contain this little bugger.

    This page gives details of the emails and the infection:

    http://www.updatexp.com/trojan-small-dam.html

    Keep safe - it's a jungle out there.

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Here's a youtube video of how quickly this thing spread around the world:


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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by Franion View Post
    Keep safe - it's a jungle out there.
    Only a jungle if you use Windows!

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    noelie
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    Windows User


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    T-Rexx
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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    ^ As I do not live in a jungle, I'm not entirely familiar with the creature above, or what it's doing, or why.


    Does it have something to do with penguins?





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    noelie
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    Irish Penguins




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    T-Rexx
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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    ^ It sucks, not having any pockets.

    Good thing those weren't American penguins. A genuine Irish Guinness can only be had in a pub here for about $7.00! Ouch!

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    poppycock. Ive been on windows since 3.1 and I hardly ever deal with viruses. It's all a matter of being intelligent on the net and not downloading suspicious files or opening weird emails. It also helps to not use IE and outlook.

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    T-Rexx
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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by trydegrau View Post
    poppycock. Ive been on windows since 3.1 and I hardly ever deal with viruses. It's all a matter of being intelligent on the net and not downloading suspicious files or opening weird emails. It also helps to not use IE and outlook.
    That's just it, trydegrau. In Windows, it's your responsibility as the user to look out for the OS and protect it from harm.

    In Mac and Linux, you just surf. Open whatever you damn well please opening, just to see if it's something malicious. Open every e-mail attachment, even the ones that say "I love you". Visit the nastiest sites you can find, and hope they try to do something to infect you. They can't hurt you. *nix OSs look out for you, not vice-versa.

    We're constantly being told how easy it is to avoid infections in Windows. That may be so. But why, then, do we continue to see things like the small.DAM worm proliferating so rapidly around the world?

    I am not especially intelligent, but I know the basics of avoiding infections in Windows. I was once working in an office which uses only Windows. I got an e-mail, addressed to me personally, from New Egg, confirming my purchase of a laptop from them for $2,599.99. The e-mail contained New Egg's correct return e-mail address (I checked it before opening)! The receipt for the purchase was in an attachment. Believing someone had gotten my credit card information and was using it to buy computer stuff, I opened the attachment and infected my machine with a virus.

    Perhaps I was stupid, but I think it would have been hard not to act as I did under the circumstances. The point is, the OS should do a better job protecting me against malicious behavior. I'm not always going to be perfect.

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    T-Rexx, you could have checked with your Credit Card companies to see if any fraudulent charges were made. In any case, you didn't and were infected. Sure it can happen if you're running Windows. As far as I'm concerned, even with all of the "triggers" you mentioned that prompted you to open that e-mail, I never would have opened it. Knowing that I did not purchase a $2,599.00 PC would have aroused my suspicion enough to avoid opening the e-mail. I NEVER open anything from any person or company I do not know or expect to receive. I also use programs that keep me from having to worry about it.

    E-mails with viruses are captured and I'm notified before I even get to them.

    Yes, I use Windows and I surf worry free, and I have for many many years. It's really only common sense........but few people exercise it, therein lies the problem.
    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!!!

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by gewhite3 View Post
    T-Rexx, you could have checked with your Credit Card companies to see if any fraudulent charges were made. In any case, you didn't and were infected.
    My Windows depends on me, and I let it down.

    I'm sorry to be such a bad user.

    Yes, I could have checked with American Express.

    I could have checked with Master Card.

    I could have checked with Visa.

    I could have checked with my several accounts at my two banks.

    I could have looked up all of those numbers, been put on hold for all of those minutes, and made sure the coast was probably clear before clicking on that attachment.

    But I clicked on that attachment, anyway. I failed miserably to protect my beautiful Windows OS. Woe is me. They shouldn't let people like me near a computer.

    Well, not near a Windows computer, that is! (Had I been in Mac or Linux, I could have opened the attachment, read it, and suffered no adverse consequences. But those OSs require no love, no passion, no pain in exchange for the computing. They're so inhuman!)

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    T-Rexx, you took your spanking like a good boy.............

    But seriously, I know that Macs have obvious advantages as far as not being prone to viruses, etc. However, I think that Windows has advantages too.

    I'm not trying to bash one or the other. I'm just trying to say, and to your credit, that if you have Windows, yes..... you have to be careful and use a little common sense. Too many people just buy computers and then use them with little regard as to how they use them. It only takes a little self-education. I still would not have opened that e-mail, regardless of whether or not I were on a Mac or Windows machine.

    And to add another point, I could have checked all of my credit cards and bank accounts for pending charges in less than 10 minutes, and never once picked up the phone. Thanks to Windows and IE7.......
    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!!!

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    So what you are saying is it takes you an idiot-proof OS to be able to cruise the net safely?

    I don't take any special efforts to avoid infection, I simply don't make stupid decisions to get it infected in the first place. I don't visit questionable sites, and I don't download emails to my computer (I use hotmail), I certainly don't download attachments I neither asked for or expected to receive. And if any of that should fail, I have a nice, efficent, low resource anti virus and firewall that filter 98% of the crap anyways. You like linux and macos thats fine by me, but I enjoy being able to use a wide variety of applications to accomplish a variety of tasks, and I don't get infected more for it.

    nice try

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    T-Rexx
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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    ^BTW, we were using the commercial version of Novell's antivirus software for businesses. It is supposedly industrial-strength, but it didn't stop this virus.

    Also, everyone else in my office got the same e-mail, addressed to them personally, I ran around the office (so-called "sneaker net") trying to stop people from opening that e-mail, to no avail. As I ran around, the groans of "Ohhhhhh" could be heard from one workstation after another. The entire company was brought down, apparently because we were all just too stupid to be using computers.

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Come on T.......... it's nothing personal. I'm not putting you down at all in any way. The office I work in, everyone in the building I work at would have opened it too. But not me........that's all I'm sayin'................

    PEACE!!!
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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by trydegrau View Post
    So what you are saying is it takes you an idiot-proof OS to be able to cruise the net safely?
    Yes, exactly!


    Quote Originally Posted by trydegrau View Post
    ...I simply don't make stupid decisions to get it infected in the first place. I don't visit questionable sites, and I don't download emails to my computer (I use hotmail), I certainly don't download attachments I neither asked for or expected to receive. And if any of that should fail, I have a nice, efficent, low resource anti virus and firewall that filter 98% of the crap anyways.
    And has Windows ever thanked you for your diligence, trydegrau? Has it ever once kissed you on the forehead, or rubbed your back, or given you a warm tub of epsom salts for your tired feet?

    I thought not! She is a fluzie, this Windows. She will use you and dump you the minute your work no longer pleases her! She is using you, trydegrau. I see that you are blinded by your love for this hussie!

    But one day, she will hurt you badly. And you will see how foolishly she has blinded you with her wiles.

    Then, don't come crawling to me, asking how you may install a dual boot with Linux. I will laugh at your naivete! "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" And I will tell you the time for playing childish games is past.

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by gewhite3 View Post
    Come on T.......... it's nothing personal. I'm not putting you down at all in any way. The office I work in, everyone in the building I work at would have opened it too. But not me........that's all I'm sayin'................
    No offense taken! My point is precisely that - that most of us are stupid at least some of the time. That's not our fault, really. It's part of being human.

    Well-designed systems try to compensate for human characteristics. I once heard a story (which may be urban legend, but sounds true) that Ford was having a problem with the assembly line workers misspelling the name "Ford" on their cars. They responded with an education program, reminding workers that it is F-O-R-D.

    Toyota was having the same problem on their assembly line, with the misspelling of "Toyota". They responded by redesigning the mounts for the letters, so that a "T" would only fit where a "T" belonged, etc.

    Windows is like that. We're constantly being reminded of how it's our fault that the OS crashes or gets infected or gets gunked up with stuff. It's our responsibility to fix it and keep it pristine.

    That's all well and good, but I'm a lazy human. I'm going to slip up. I'm going to act stupid. And it's a computer. It does a lot of things better than any human can. Isn't it supposed to serve me? Can't it compensate for at least some of my idiosyncrasies?

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    You are a moron. I don't require my computer to love or thank me. All I need it to do is what I tell it to do. Computers are machines, not people. Machines break down, and when you get a hardware fault, there will be nothing your precious linux or macos can do about it.

    And I don't need a philistine like you tell me how to install a dual boot with linux, I did it a long time ago, and concluded then that none of my favorite software were available for linux.

    If you want a polite, loving machine, get a talking sex doll. The rest of us use computers to do technical things.

    The fact that you need a computer to think for you speaks volumes about your intelligence and technical abilities.

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by trydegrau View Post
    The fact that you need a computer to think for you speaks volumes about your intelligence and technical abilities.
    Yes, the very best computers require you to think for them!

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    The very best computers do what they are told, nothing more. The very best users think for themselves, don't need an OS to protect them from the big scary viruses

    The reason so many people find windows buggy and difficult to manage is because Windows gives the user all or most the control, and most users, being stupid consumers, want to run more applications than what their system resources can handle, and end up crashing the system. That's not the system's fault. It's the users'. Neither is it the system's fault if the user installs incompatible software, or downloads infected files, after all, the user is boss under windows, and windows simply follows it's orders even if the user instructs the system to shoot itself in the foot.

    Like I said, intelligent users don't have problems with windows, and it doesn't take much brainpower to know the do's and dont's. By your logic, you shouldn't own a car until they release one that will drive for you.

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by trydegrau View Post
    ...windows simply follows it's orders even if the user instructs the system to shoot itself in the foot.
    Before they started putting "safety" switches on guns, only stupid people shot themselves in the foot. All this technology is interfering with evolution!

    Quote Originally Posted by trydegrau View Post
    By your logic, you shouldn't own a car until they release one that will drive for you.
    I take it you disagree, then, with ABS brake systems and skid control technology in cars and global positionig systems? Smart people don't need any help driving, and they always know where they are.

    And, as you know, airplanes already essentially fly themselves. Removing human foibles from the equation as much as possible has been a big improvement in safety. They really should have just tried to get smart people to pilot planes. Then they wouldn't have needed all that "foolproof" expensive technology!

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    I'm not gonna argue with you anymore. People like you would fuck machines if it allowed for the removal of imperfect humans from the equation. In fact, people like you would just sit on their fat ass and let technology do everything for them if they could.

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    Re: Trojan alert, 2nd wave of small.DAM

    Quote Originally Posted by trydegrau View Post
    In fact, people like you would just sit on their fat ass and let technology do everything for them if they could.
    Actually, you're right. I did believe that that was the whole point of technology. To do things for us humans.

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