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    Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    An enlightening article about Windows Vista as people uncover how Vista disables hardware and may make your brand new purchases unusable.

    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    very enlightening indeed. the only way to protect ourselves as consumers is to be sceptic.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    I think this is why I always wait until they get ready to come out with the next version before I upgrade to the previous version.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    While I don't understand a lot of the technobabble it is obvious that if I am going to continue to back up dvd's I am going to need to hang onto xp.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    Maybe there will be trouble ahead, but boy I'm glad I picked up on the Mac bandwagon early. I have my iMac, and I'm never going back to a PC. I only have XP via Bootcamp to play some old games that aren't made for the Mac.

    Maybe more people will switch to the Mac. I doubt very highly that OS 10.5 upcoming will be as draconian in its copy protection schemes as Vista.

    And if hardware manufacturers REALLY wanted to, they could work with Apple to release a version of OS X for the general "PC"s. New drivers would be needed, but ... it certainly sounds easier than what a lot of people are going to go through with Vista.

    Just my 2 cents...

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by 190E View Post
    I think this is why I always wait until they get ready to come out with the next version before I upgrade to the previous version.
    Nice Idea in theory but the truth is if you are using a version of XP that requires activation you may well find that you will not be able to use it. Operating systems that require activation have less to do with illegal copies and more to do with controlling the length of use that it will be available to anyone who has a copy.

    Microsoft haven't shown any concerns about operating systems in the past unless you were selling them at the local market for $20 a piece then they would throw the book at you. They have felt that if you use their operating system then you will buy their software. I suppose it is a two edged sword.

    Now when the new system is released it will be easier to elminate the bulk of older operating systems by refusing to activate them. Forcing everyone to purchase Vista. I believe that it will not take very long from the release before Microsoft will refuse to activate XP. I also think that the steps taken so far has more to do with Mircosoft completely controlling the computer industry.

    And for anyone hoping to change to open source (Linux) then think again because Microsoft have been interfering with Linux, to try to bring it into line with the changes included in Vista tho I suppose it will be limited what they can achieve but still enough to be annoying. Open Source have one advantage in that you can use more than one piece of software to do most things.

    I still think that we will end up with 2 different types of operating systems. One for Business that will protect everything and be very hard to crack. I have heard if for instance you use Word for Word Processing the new protection will mean that while you can get a copy of a document it will not be of any use because unless you have the new subscription software and it is paid up you will not be able to open it even if it is addressed to you.

    The second will be much like it is now for private use and while there may be some areas that will require software upgrades it will not interfere much and only relate to certain functions like Audio or Video. And a third sub-area in this will be software crackers who will harrass Microsoft as usual.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    I hate to break it to you but this article is FUD. It is saying nothing more then Microsoft has conformed to the HDDVD standard, which requires support of downgrading picture quality on "untrusted" output paths. Meaning it doesnt prevent ANYTHING from working, all it does is prevent any HDDVD/BluRay disk that has this "token" enabled (of which there are NONE) from being played at full resolution. This is something they HAD to do if they wanted to let users use HDDVD/BluRay drives on their computer. This technology doesnt effect ANYTHING else, just those two formats and only if they enable the feature, which movie studios have said they wont do for a while, if ever.

    Also, this technology only runs if you insert copy protected media, otherwise it doesnt, so you wont see any decrease in system performance normally. Plus if you have a pc that is capable of playing 1080p video, you wont event notice it anyways.

    This is not a Microsoft specific technology, and Apple will HAVE to include the same thing too, as they are a member of the BluRay forum, which requires the same protection.

    Now when the new system is released it will be easier to elminate the bulk of older operating systems by refusing to activate them. Forcing everyone to purchase Vista. I believe that it will not take very long from the release before Microsoft will refuse to activate XP.
    Bullshit. Microsoft wont do this, they may phase out support for old Operating Systems, but they wont prevent them from activating. Microsoft is not stupid and knows such a move would piss people off, and is probably illegal anyways.

    Word for Word Processing the new protection will mean that while you can get a copy of a document it will not be of any use because unless you have the new subscription software and it is paid up you will not be able to open it even if it is addressed to you.
    Er, only if you encrypt them. Microsoft distrbutes viewers and compatability packs so you can open files from newer versions of Office.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by Calator View Post
    And if hardware manufacturers REALLY wanted to, they could work with Apple to release a version of OS X for the general "PC"s. New drivers would be needed, but ... it certainly sounds easier than what a lot of people are going to go through with Vista.


    Actually, OS X does not need to be modified at all to get it to run on a PC. I have myself successfully installed OS X to a generic PC with an AMD processor and motherboard. Here is a video (not mine) of a PC running XP and OS X:



    The fact that OS X is not available for a "general" PC has nothing whatsoever to do with the "hardware manufacturers". Apple does not permit the sale of OS X for use on anything other than their own hardware. That way, Apple can buy a generic $45 motherboard from Hong Kong and sell it to you for $1,450.

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    Deary me, I go away for a few days and a mob breaks out with flaming torches and pitchforks

    Guys guys guys - this is a worse case scenario - that's all.

    You know it's never going to happen - if it did it would be the end of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD not MS Vista - faith and begorrah sure Bill would never capitulate.

    We all know that if the worse case scenario did happen sure we'd have software and chipped gadgets to bypass it all anyhow...within a few days if not hours.

    I was in college doing my computer science degree when XP first came out - we had the corporate version downloaded and installed that evening.

    Windows activation was hacked and cracked within days and weeks.

    I have several friends running XP SP2 volume license edition on their home PCs with Automatic updates working just fine - genuine product? Activate Windows? My arse

    I love the way the Applettes jump in for the kill and obviously slipped over their drool at the chance to get at MS and in the rush haven't actually read the first paragraph of the article that states:

    These issues affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server).

    Hey Matt1809 - on the ball - MS allowed thousands (if not tens of thousands) of illegal copies of XP to upgrade to SP2 even though previously they had tried to refuse the upgrade but this time they knew it was against their own interests to have so many PCs running with all those holes. Besides there are several ways to get your 'copy' of XP updated without going near the MS website.

    Ahhh...tis good to be back - thanks for the heads up Davy.

    And...AHEM...Why has no-one said HAPPY BIRTHDAY to ME!!??

    p.s. Thanks for the vid T-Rexx - I might give that a shot.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by noelie View Post
    And...AHEM...Why has no-one said HAPPY BIRTHDAY to ME!!??
    His Steveness might try to strike me down for wishing a *hack cough cough* Windows *hack cough cough* user a happy birthday. But [insert obligatory computer and/or snarky, arrogant remark here to keep post on topic] I'm immune to viruses, so

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! And many, many happy returns!

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by noelie View Post
    AHEM...Why has no-one said HAPPY BIRTHDAY to ME!!??
    Oh, all right. Happy birthday. Now do you feel better?

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    That way, Apple can buy a generic $45 motherboard from Hong Kong and sell it to you for $1,450.
    Or you could pay $1,099 for a new Mac laptop with the OS, software bundle etc. and be fully supported by Apple. No virii or registry problems either.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    [quote=noelie;2151177]

    And...AHEM...Why has no-one said HAPPY BIRTHDAY to ME!!??

    I did on 28 December, in your amazing download thread!

    Oops, guess I was ignored again.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    I upgrade my systems how many of the larger technology companies do it, for instance SNET in Connecticut, whom my brother in law works for, and is a network technician who works on thousands of trunks a day. I know it sounds crazy, but it's a way for all the kinks and viruses to be counteracted.

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    You weren't ignored mark1111, I'm just trying to put the other guys on a guilt trip.
    I was 40 last Wednesday (very depressing even to type it never mind say it).

    That guy in the link you gave sheep? Me and him are singing off the same hymn sheet. MS haven't been around all this time and haven't made billions by being stupid (no matter how much people hate them) - they won't damage themselves and sure we can keep using XP for years to come with or without MS's support.

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    Having said all that I disagree with the last part of this article:

    http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2...08_001308.html

    where he refers to Apple's iTV etc. and says that it's the next big thing along with other wireless/streaming media.

    There is a growing backlash against wireless networks building around the world. Schools and colleges in the US and the UK are being challenged about installing wireless networks due to the perceived possible or potential health risks.

    On top of that the Industrial Scientific & Medical (ISM) slot isn't properly managed or regulated in most countries and there are numerous gadgets trying to use very close frequencies (2.4GHz being the main one).

    Personally, my wireless router is on a table near my bed so I leave it switched off because I have concerns over the microwaves being emitted.

    I'm not about to wear a tin foil hat but if I ever build my own home it will be a Faraday cage.


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    Personally, i dont like the way microsoft is headed. Just look at their internet explorer 7 and windows media player 11. They are horrible compared to their predescents. I hate the way the ui is not friendly anymore and im annoyed at the fact that i have to spend time to understand how everything works in these newer versions. So im sticking with the old for as long as possible. I will not be one of those ppl who rushes to the stores for vista.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by noelie View Post
    I have several friends running XP SP2 volume license edition on their home PCs with Automatic updates working just fine - genuine product? Activate Windows?
    hum...that sounds familiar.... wonder who else is doing it?
    Quote Originally Posted by noelie View Post
    My arse And...AHEM...Why has no-one said HAPPY BIRTHDAY to ME!!??

    p.s. Thanks for the vid T-Rexx - I might give that a shot.

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    Re: Troubles loom ahead for Microsoft





    You've been quiet lately - good to see you posting so much.


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