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    Canadian Conservatives: As smart as thier foreign counterparts


    Some interesting things our leaders in the government have said.



    "When you go into the issue of homosexuals and lesbians it's in the interest of society to have the right to discriminate against that group in areas of ... schools is one that comes to mind."

    - Conservative Party Natural Resources critic Dave Chatters arguing in favour of discrimination against gays on a radio station in Westlock, Alberta, on April 30th 1996.


    "I paraded [protested] with [Stockwell] Day and his people in front of a school in Red Deer against sex education."

    - Jim Green, supporter of anti-Semitic teacher Jim Keegstra, quoted in Briarpatch Magazine, July/August 2000.


    "Homosexuality is a choice, in my view."

    - Stockwell Day on a Vancouver radio talk show, July 2000.


    "We all make mistakes and they made a mistake in pursuing a project which purports to reflect the sexual choices of one per cent of the population."

    - Stockwell Day, 1997, fighting a $10,000 lotteries grant to study the lives and history of gays in Alberta. Most statistics suggest that four to 10 per cent of the general population is homosexual.


    "Homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be cured through counselling."

    - Stockwell Day, February of 1992, quoted in Alberta Report.


    "The establishment came down with a constitutional package which they put to a national referendum. The package included distinct society status for Quebec and some other changes, including some that would just horrify you, putting universal Medicare in our constitution, and feminist rights, and a whole bunch of other things."

    "I was asked to speak about Canadian politics. It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians."

    "[Y]our country [the USA], and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world."

    - Conservative leader [we elected him as our Prime Minister] Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.


    "This party will not take its position based on public opinion polls. We will not take a stand based on focus groups. We will not take a stand based on phone-in shows or householder surveys or any other vagaries of pubic opinion... In my judgment Canada will eventually join with the allied coalition if war on Iraq comes to pass. The government will join, notwithstanding its failure to prepare, its neglect in co-operating with its allies, or its inability to contribute. In the end it will join out of the necessity created by a pattern of uncertainty and indecision. It will not join as a leader but unnoticed at the back of the parade."

    - Stephen Harper indicating that, if elected, Canada will join the US occupation of Iraq, Hansard, January 29th 2003


    "Rob is a true reformer and a true conservative. He has been a faithful supporter of mine and I am grateful for his work."

    - Stephen Harper endorsing Calgary West Conservative MP Rob Anders, who in 2001 called Nelson Mandela "a Communist and terrorist."



    "Regarding sexual orientation or, more accurately, what we are really talking about, sexual behaviour, the argument has been made ... that this is analogous to race and ethnicity.... (For) anyone in the Liberal party to equate the traditional definition of marriage with segregation and apartheid is vile and disgusting."

    - Conservative leader Stephen Harper, 2003.


    "The fact is that homosexuals aren’t barred from marrying under Canadian law... Marriage is open to everybody as long as they’re a man and a woman."

    - Conservative MP Jason Kenney, Punjabi Editorial Board Interview, January 30, 2005.


    "We saw that young American having his head cut off. What's happening, what is happening down there no different."

    - Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant (Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke) at a 2004 pro-life rally on Parliament Hill, comparing abortion to the beheading of American Nicolas Berg by insurgents in Iraq


    "I want the whole world to know that I do not condone homosexuals. I do not condone their activity. I do not like what they do. I think it is wrong. I think it is unnatural and I think it is totally immoral. I will object to it forever whenever they attack the good, traditional Canadian family unit that built the country."

    - MP Myron Thompson.

    "For instance, I'm not opposed to gays, but if you bring one of those suckers into my school and they try to push their crap on my students, I have a problem with that. "

    - MP Myron Thompson opposing education promoting understanding of gays in the Belleville Intelligencer, April 29th 1994.



    "You can't scalp me because I haven't got much hair on top of my head."

    - Saskatchewan Canadian Alliance candidate Brian Fitzpatrick during a native-organized candidates debate, November 2000.

    "The danger in having sexual orientation just listed, that encompasses for example pedophiles. I believe that the caucus as a whole would like to see it repealed."

    - Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant on CTV News, June 5th 2004, attacking proposed hate propaganda legislation that would protect homosexuals.



    "Are we going to go like lambs to the gas chamber as the Chrétien’s Liberals strip away our rights?"

    - Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant in the National Post, November 21st 2000, comparing the national firearms registry to the Holocaust.

    "That's my guess, yes, especially where you have alcohol and drugs and mix that with very short-term changing sexual relationships... There's a lot of jealousy... they [homosexuals] are vengeful, and their health isn't very good. [Skinheads bashing gays] is one kind of marginalized group doing its thing against another marginalized sub-group, which essentially has nothing to do with human rights before the law. It's purely one gang going against another gang."

    - New Westminster-Coquitlam Conservative MP Paul Forseth opposing legislation to protect gays from hate crimes, March 18th 1995, House of Commons.

    "You’re being told this is good and normal and that you shouldn’t think that there’s anything wrong with it, which is what’s happening to our young people now in our schools. So they start looking and they start checking and they start experimenting, and this is what I’m talking about . . . an orchestrated recruitment plan. So you back it down to the impressionable and vulnerable and then bring it all the way through their life, and you know, this is quite understandable how this can happen."

    - Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.



    "The [homosexual] activists that organized in those days [encouraged] people of their persuasion to enter into educational fields, and to do this with the feeling of a mission, you know, of going out there as pioneers in a -- quote-- human rights area, and I think they were successful as we've seen."

    - Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer, speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.



    "When it comes to people who wish to live together, whether they are women or men, why do they have to be out here in the public always debating that they want to call it marriage? If they are going to live together, they can go live together and shut up about it."

    - Conservative MP Elsie Wayne tells gays and lesbians to shut up.



    "I do believe it was a mistake to have legalized it."

    - Canadian Alliance family issues critic Larry Spencer speaking about homosexuality, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003. The U.S.-born former Baptist pastor also argued that the gay-rights movement’s recent successes in areas like same-sex marriage stem from a "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy.



    "They probably should have used the notwithstanding clause as Ralph Klein has said he will do, but they're not doing that at this time and definitely we had hoped, the majority of the people had hoped, that they would appeal the decision on Ontario, but they haven't done that either."

    - Conservative MP Elsie Wayne on gay marriage.



    "I don't think that, you know, anybody would argue that if Nelson Mandela was saying, you know, 30 years ago, that you should go around with matches and necklaces and strangle people or burn them out of their homes, that is not terrorism."

    - Conservative MP Rob Anders after blocking a resolution to declare former South African president Nelson Mandela an honorary Canadian citizen, June 11, 2001. Anders also implied that South Africa was better off during Apartheid than it is today.




    If the Conservatives had always ruled Canada, government would be heavily involved in the bedrooms of the nation. Our current PM wanted to enter into Iraq, saying that he would ignore the will of the people - he knew the people were heavily against it. The conservatives are an evil that hasnt been noticed enough in this country. We elected them because our government was corrupt and scandal after scandal was coming to light. I do not believe we as canadians truly understood who it was we were allowing to take office - but thankfully Canadians are not going to let them keep government, and we are ready to yank them out of power the second thier social conservative values start to be enforced. Right now the leaderless Liberal party is tied with the conservatives - even though the conservatives have ruled scandal free for almost a year.

    I expect these people to be removed from office by the next election (hopefully spring). Maybe if they go through with the vote to repeal our right to marry, we will see the government fall sooner.

    Vote Liberal.

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    It may be propaganda, but it reveals a terrifying truth about our leaders. Canada needs to have these people removed from power soon!

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    Prime Minister Harper, Day, Anders (definition of evil), Thompson (he is really old and will probably not run in the next election anyway), Gallant... etc. I get the feeling that Ambrose has no clue what the hell she is doing (I swear she is just there to be a pretty face for the party), Solberg is a freakin nutcase and the whole party is outta step with what the majority of Canadians want.

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    Re: Canadian Conservatives: As smart as thier foreign counterparts

    A good listing, but you missed one:


    Stephen Harper once said this to Svend Robinson:

    During a debate on ethics, Harper stated that MPs could be likely to find their mugshots in police stations throughout Canada.

    When Robinson objected to this claim, Harper responded that Robinson (One of Canada's first openly gay MPs) could find his picture in more "wonderful" places.


    I just did a research paper on the Conservatives and their opposition to bills for gay rights.

    Everything I've read does point to an internalized homophobia within the Conservative Party and all it's predecesors (Canadian Alliance, Reform, and Progressive Conservatives.)

    When it comes to social issues, our Conservatives are just as bad as the Republicans down south.

    And I will admit, I was quite outraged when Harper's speech to that group was made public in the last election.

    Canada is a sovereign nation, Mr. Harper, if you want to live in a country closer in line with American policies and their Conservative Movement, you always have the option to move.

    But you won't force the beliefs and views of another country, be it the United States or any one country, upon Canada.

    I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reaper View Post
    A good listing, but you missed one:


    Stephen Harper once said this to Svend Robinson:

    During a debate on ethics, Harper stated that MPs could be likely to find their mugshots in police stations throughout Canada.

    When Robinson objected to this claim, Harper responded that Robinson (One of Canada's first openly gay MPs) could find his picture in more "wonderful" places.


    I just did a research paper on the Conservatives and their opposition to bills for gay rights.

    Everything I've read does point to an internalized homophobia within the Conservative Party and all it's predecesors (Canadian Alliance, Reform, and Progressive Conservatives.)

    When it comes to social issues, our Conservatives are just as bad as the Republicans down south.

    And I will admit, I was quite outraged when Harper's speech to that group was made public in the last election.

    Canada is a sovereign nation, Mr. Harper, if you want to live in a country closer in line with American policies and their Conservative Movement, you always have the option to move.

    But you won't force the beliefs and views of another country, be it the United States or any one country, upon Canada.
    Oh I do believe I missed more than just one

    Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirstycanadianboy View Post
    Well it is your right to vote for whom ever you wish to vote for, I can't change your mind in anyways shape or form.



    You make the decisions based on your facts, and I on My facts
    We are dominating this site with our opinions, but what are your opinions? What values do you share with the conservative party? What are the facts you base your support for them on?


    (just curious :P)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cAndId View Post
    We are dominating this site with our opinions, but what are your opinions? What values do you share with the conservative party? What are the facts you base your support for them on?


    (just curious :P)
    TCB,they've got pretty damning quotes.Though you may be right and the Conservative Party overall isn't infected with a nasty homophobic streak,even a Canadian superhero can't get away with "Take My Word For It",you've got to back it up in debate.I am not of a liberal political perspective,more leaning moderate to conservative,but the social right seems to be working its poisonous way through both politics here in the US and in our good northern neighbor Canada.
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    I agree with the gun registry thing to an extent, the long arm guns that farmers use should not have to be registered IMO - however something has to be done to control hand guns and other firearms that are not obviously used by hunters to shoot deer and pheasant.

    ...why do you think we dont deserve the right to marry the ones we love?

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    Living in the US, the only things I know about Canadian politics, I learn from watching This Hour Has 22 Minutes, and Air Farce. That being said, Canada is just like the US, you elect some good people who are really trying to help but it is the idiots that end up in power.

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    Several months ago I posted here on the US gay marriage issue and stated that a significant thorn is semantics and the use of the term "marriage".
    Extreme Christian Fundamentalists are totally intolerant and want to destroy use, there's no doubt there. But many moderate religious people (Christians, Jews, Moslems etc) cherish fairness. The word "marriage" in itself connotates a religious sacrament, which pious people resent and centuries old religious books condemn that. We can't expect them to forego the foundations their religions are built on.
    I beleive if we crusaded for "domestic partnership" we'd have a better chance of explaining our goals and issues to a more receptive demographic, and win more popular support for our cause.
    They could call it apple butter if they like, as long as it gets us fair and equal treatment. Do we really need the white gown and black tux to make our relationship work or solemnize our love for each other?

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    I think I will let Rick Mercer explain my point on this subject.



    That sums up the right wing point of view^

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirstycanadianboy View Post
    You can't force a church or its parishioners to do something they feel is wrong
    Churches aren't being forced to marry gay couples.

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    Fine, go ahead and force the gay "marriage" issue, and we'll lose.
    Call it something more appealing to the majority and we might get equal rights and consideration.
    It's just my opinion, but it's based upon talking to many gay and straight people.
    Militancy has its place and has acheived progress and goals for some groups, I just think it's counter productive for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclaimedblessing View Post
    Fine, go ahead and force the gay "marriage" issue, and we'll lose.
    We've already won, in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotary View Post
    Churches aren't being forced to marry gay couples.
    Neither are all churches against marrying gay couples...

    Surely if a church wants to wed two people, they should have the right to do so...

    No other word than "marriage" will result in real social equality. For me it's not an issue of "equal rights" on some piece of paper, the right to make funeral decisions for your "partner" or something like that....it's being able to say "I'm married" rather than "I'm in a wonderful quasi-permanent, semi-supported, legally bound union which is equivalent to opposite-sex marriage in every way except in name and our genders."

    We don't NEED the wedding gown/tux, etc....not even all "traditional" marriages happen that way, but religious-sanctionned or not, THEY still get to say they're "married". I find the choice of words to be important...a different word implies it's something different. Words like "relationship" and "friendship" don't care about gender. Neither should "marriage". Everyone holds "friendship" between two people in high esteem, and I'd hope the same would be with marriage. Not everyone (not even straight people) needs to be married though.

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    Why must we always emulate heterosexuality?.
    My first bf became my first lover (8 wonderful years) we would get annoyed when other gays asked "Who is the husband?" or "who is the wife?". We were gay men not a straight couple and definetly not into role play.
    I don't beleive in living my life by hetero standards.
    Consequently as long as we get equal rights and consideration, I can easily concede giving up the hetero term"marriage" for any other appropriate term.

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    not be...better dead then blue! course I'm more of a socialist.
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    Oh me oh my, this entire thing has gotten out of hand.

    I only hope my involvement doesn't make things worse.


    Issue #1: The Gun Registry:

    Although in the long run, the gun registry was over budget and slightly defunct in being made, it does serve a purpose. In Quebec alone, RCMP officers access the registry over 400 times a day.* So obivously the registry is working the way it is intended, as RCMP officers have gone on record as saying the registry is a useful tool.
    *This statistic provide by my political science professor on the issue of the gun registry,

    The registry was a step in the right direction, but it is not the be all end all of gun control. Can anyone tell me why a farmer, or any Canadian Gun Owner, needs a fully automatic weapon? Or even one that can be converted to fully automatic with some slight modifications? Last time I checked, you don't use that kind of rifle to go deer hunting.

    Something needs to be done in addition to the registry, to get these un-neccesary weapons out of the hands of Canadian Citizens, as there is no purpose for them. Be it a system of buy-backs from the government, or forceful seisure should all else fail.

    Issue #2: Same-Sex Marriage

    Marriage is not a religious sacrament! The Roman Catholic Church has existed as it is now for what, only 2,000 years? People were getting married long before that!

    Marriage is a constantly evolving organism that changes every couple hundred of years.

    We can go back to Ancient Rome and before then, to find the existence of polygamy. One man married to many women.

    Jump ahead to Medieval Times. Polygamy is gone, but it is not uncommon for a man over the age of 30+ to marry a girl that is hardly 13.

    Again, marriage evolved and suddenly we were man and woman, over the age of majority.

    And it's safe to say that cavemen probably had a rudimentary form of marriage as well, based with little or no ceremony, and probably similar today's common law marriages.


    Marriage always evolves, and it's time for it to evolve again.


    Issue #3: Rights and Freedoms of the Church in regards to, Same-Sex Marriage.

    No one is telling Churchs they have to perform same-sex marriages. No one is saying that religious groups have to rent out their church halls to same-sex unions.

    But a justice of the peace, who is not a religious official but a government one, must recognize the laws of their country and not their religious affiliation.

    JoP's do not have the right to refuse to marry a gay couple, because as mentioned before, they have a responsibility to uphold and honour the laws of Canada. And same-sex marriage is enshrined within that law.

    As for the Church and various religious groups, they do have a right to refuse to marry as well as rent public space.



    I think that covers everything, any questions class?

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    If you could read the western standard, you would know what the right wingers in power are all about.

    In their world, according to Harper we become more like the US and gay and lesbians have no rights.

    Joe Clark is not leading the conservative party - Harper and his backwards religious freaks are.

    The conservatives you supported (PC) is gone... the religious right swallowed the small c conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirstycanadianboy View Post
    OMG I have to tell you he is just way off base here, not all of right wing people are that way

    Actually, he's not off base at all.


    Things change, get over it.


    If we stood by tradition, we would still be allowed to glove slap anyone who challenged our honour, and then have a duel with them.


    You think school shootings are bad now, can you imagine what some kid who gets called a "freak" every day would be doing if he still had the right to challenge some one to a traditional duel?


    Traditions change, sometimes big sometimes small....

    But the fact of the matter is, the world changes for a reason. And if you don't change with it, things don't tend to work out well for you.

    I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently...

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    Well it's like in Evolution, things that can't change....die out. Change is good! It keeps us on our toes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirstycanadianboy View Post
    tell that to the people who are leading my party



    and just a side note I let my membership lapse I just might swing left or Independant if everything goes south, or they dont get rid of the wing nuts
    Your party did change! It went from being a semi nice alternative to the liberals to a hard right...almost bible thumping scary nut jobs alternative to the liberals!
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    Off-Topic:

    How is Stockwell our Minister of Public Safety?!

    He can't even secure his own safety, how the hell is he going to protect the rest of us?!?!

    I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reaper View Post
    Off-Topic:

    How is Stockwell our Minister of Public Safety?!

    He can't even secure his own safety, how the hell is he going to protect the rest of us?!?!

    I'm assuming they give him one of those worker's vests and he helps little old ladies cross the street!


    seriously....it could be worse..............he could be Deputy Prime Minister!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotary View Post
    We've already won, in this country.
    Why, rotary, what do you think you're doing, letting what's already happened, according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, not to mention the facts on the ground, get in the way of these people's defeatism? Shame on you!

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    Why, rotary, what do you think you're doing, letting what's already happened, according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, not to mention the facts on the ground, get in the way of these people's defeatism? Shame on you!

    The problem is we haven't won.

    With the Conservatives, even if their attempt fails during this sitting...God forbid they get re-elected with another government, minority or majority (UNLIKELY), they'll just try to do it all over again.


    We can not afford to be complacent just because the battle seems to be over and won.

    I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently...

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    We can not afford to be complacent just because the battle seems to be over and won.

    I agree....we've won a battle, but the war is far from over!
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    Exactly, the conservatives dont think it is over:
    This time around, I think it is urgent to call the big bluff. Same-sex “marriage” is not about homosexuals, nor even about homosexuality. It is a wedge being driven into our social order, by its mortal enemies. Their intention is to destroy the nuclear family that is the foundation of that order; same-sex “marriage” is merely a means. Their ambition is to remove all such categories as “father”, “mother”, “husband”, “wife”, “offspring”, first from the law and tax codes, and eventually from everyday life. Everyone with a stake in the future of our children must resolutely oppose them.
    - David Warren, he also recently wrote an article in the western standard entitled 'planning the counter-revolution' all about how we are destroying the average canadian family by striving for equal rights and that the conservatives should take away those rights...

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