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    Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

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    Will John Kerry, yet again, hold on to his millions, that we gave him, while Democrats lose? </B>
    by John in DC - 10/19/2006 01:44:00 PM



    From HeyJohn.org:
    In 2004, over 171,154 Americans donated $328,479,245 and countless hours of time to help John Kerry get elected President. Now, two years later, Democrats have a real opportunity to regain a majority in both chambers of Congress.

    John Kerry? He’s still hanging on to $8,352,685 of our money, while Democratic candidates in competitive districts are short on funds, and the DNC, DCCC, and DSCC are out of money.

    Tell John Kerry to “let our money go” and help take back Congress by sending an email to info@johnkerry.com
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    And John Kerry isn't the only problem. Evan Bayh, who also will likely be courting all of your votes and your money when he runs for president in 2008, and then there are the 45 House Democrats who are running for re-election in uncontested races. They have NO Republican opponents, yet are sitting on $26 million. You can find the list of 45 here.

    $26 million.

    Why the hell aren't they ponying up?
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    John Kerry was probably the only candidate in modern presidential politics to end his campaign with a surplus -- A SURPLUS! He ended p, I recall, with $16 million cash on hand at the end of the 04 race. He fucking didn't even BOTHER TO DEFEND HIMSELF in the Summer of 2004 against the SWISH Boaters (so as to conserve cash, his team said), he stupidly LOST the election and KEPT the cash for 2008! Now, don't get me wrong, I like John Kerry, I will not vote for him again, but it is time for him to cough up some moolah.

    BTW, what about Hillary -- she has $20 million, what about Chuck Schumer, he has $10 mil cash on hand, DiFi has $8 mill, so what about them?

    I see DNC volunteers crawling all over the Upper West Side day and night hitting up everyone for money -- glad they are, I gave more, too, but why doesn't the Dem leadership use the DNC headquarters as collateral and, you know, BORROW $25 million from the capitalist stooges at Bank America and pay it back AFTER we win?

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    I agree Alfie, time for them to pony up and let's take this election!
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    John Kerry was probably the only candidate in modern presidential politics to end his campaign with a surplus -- A SURPLUS! He ended p, I recall, with $16 million cash on hand at the end of the 04 race. He fucking didn't even BOTHER TO DEFEND HIMSELF in the Summer of 2004 against the SWISH Boaters (so as to conserve cash, his team said), he stupidly LOST the election and KEPT the cash for 2008! Now, don't get me wrong, I like John Kerry, I will not vote for him again, but it is time for him to cough up some moolah.

    BTW, what about Hillary -- she has $20 million, what about Chuck Schumer, he has $10 mil cash on hand, DiFi has $8 mill, so what about them?

    I see DNC volunteers crawling all over the Upper West Side day and night hitting up everyone for money -- glad they are, I gave more, too, but why doesn't the Dem leadership use the DNC headquarters as collateral and, you know, BORROW $25 million from the capitalist stooges at Bank America and pay it back AFTER we win?
    you live on the upper west side and yet you're still such a lefty? maybe there is hope for humanity.
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    That really is ridiculous. As much as I hate all the money in politics, it's now become a necessary evil. I say, give them everything we've got. I know they're probably thinking ahead to 2008 for the Presidential election, but seriously, they should focus on the here-and-now. Democratic wins in Congress will help push the momentum forward for 2008 and the money will follow.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    you live on the upper west side and yet you're still such a lefty? maybe there is hope for humanity.
    Surely you fucking joke -- the UWS has ALWAYS been the center of leftist thought in America, it is the center of the known universe. Indeed, those crazy people on the right use the Upper West Side's name as an epitaph, as a symptom of "what's wrong with America." Well, let me tell you something, Mister Cambridge, there's nothing wrong with the UWS or America that a coordinated deportation of five million Republican Porky Pig Patriots wouldn't solve.




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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Surely you fucking joke -- the UWS has ALWAYS been the center of leftist thought in America, it is the center of the known universe. Indeed, those crazy people on the right use the Upper West Side's name as an epitaph, as a symptom of "what's wrong with America." Well, let me tell you something, Mister Cambridge, there's nothing wrong with the UWS or America that a coordinated deportation of five million Republican Porky Pig Patriots wouldn't solve.



    Sorry to burst your bubble, but we crazy right wingers don't use the Usless Waste of Space as a symtom of what's wrong with America. If you'd get out of your bubble you'd realize that we use San Francisco, Boulder, the media, Hollywood, academia, etc as examples of the demise of America, but not your neighborhood. Sorry.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    mowrest, don't forget Berkley, CA. and my neighborhood, Cambridge, MA...the only U.S. city whose city council has declared it a haven for illegal immigrants! i am strangely proud of that.
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Don't our illustrious elected crooks, er sorry -- politicians, get to keep the vast majority of any balance of campaign funds should they either not be reelected or retire?

    As for Evan Bayh, I used to live in Indiana. He managed, during his 8 years as governor, with the help of a democratic majority in both houses of the state legislature, to dump a hugh tax burden on us folks. They managed to increase the state income tax to 4.3%, put an excise tax on our cars, increase the state sales tax by 2% to 6%, increase the state tax on gasoline by 6 cents, decrease the amount of state support for local schools, rob the retirement trust fund for state employees, and set the state on a road to a deficit balance. The state had a $2 Billion surplus when he took office. It just got out of an $800 Million debt.

    And now he's thinking about a run for President. One thing is for sure. He holds the record for the greatest number of trips taken by a sitting U.S. Senator -- most of which were funded by lobbyists. Who's pocket might he be in??

    You can rely on Evan to put his money where it will do the greatest good -- in his retirement account. After all, he couldn't possibly exist comfortably on the approximate $140,000 he'll earn annually in benefits once he leaves the Senate.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Although I can't prove it, I always thought Kerry threw the election because what he really wanted was to be the Democratic spokesperson. I gave Kerry some money and all I got for my trouble is endless amounts of spam. No way I'm going to vote for him again.

    I never go to the UWS because it's way too pretentious (even for moi )

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by khushibagh View Post
    Although I can't prove it, I always thought Kerry threw the election because what he really wanted was to be the Democratic spokesperson. I gave Kerry some money and all I got for my trouble is endless amounts of spam. No way I'm going to vote for him again.
    It boggles one's mind to think back and recall all of the mistakes and missed opportunities of the Kerry campaign. Even his post-election promise to fight for the proper accounting of each and every vote (think Ohio) wasn't kept. It's almost as if Kerry didn't have any ambition, or much common sense. I sort of have a fear that Edwards, too, may lack the fire he will need to win...

    I never go to the UWS because it's way too pretentious (even for moi )
    Well, to each their own, though I do wonder which Upper West Side you refer to, because, like all of Manhattan, the UWS is an amalgam of tiny villages that we all create for ourselves, most no larger than a few square blocks. It's perhaps a bit too breederish and a lot more wealth-wearing, too, but these are worrying trends throughout Manhattan.



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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    I agree, and this doesn't really surprise me. I have always thought of Kerry being an "I-me", face-boy type of guy, who only thinks of what is best for him, not his party. General Alfie is correct...he stupidly lost the election.

    I agree that the Upper West Side is a bastion of leftist/communist thinking. Remember the lady who said "I don't know why McGovern didn't win...everyone I know voted for him"? She was from Manhattan, in an insular clique, much as General Alfie describes. I have been there, and it is a very nice place to visit.

    On the other hand, most Republicans that I know do not consider the UWS to be the CENTER of leftist thinking in America. Most of us, I would say, consider that to be the editorial room of The New York Times and I don't think it is on the UWS. Geographically, most of us would say that it is somewhere in California, be it San Francisco/ Berkely, or Los Angeles, but then, I attribute that perception to the media.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Frankly I'm not very pleased with the Dems fundraising efforts.

    I gave during the 2004 elections, and I've been relentlessly bombarded by every Democratic Campaign since for $$$.

    I'm keeping my campaign dollars in Texas this go around. At least I know how it's going to be spent and on which candidates!

    The local chapter of Stonewall Democrats has raised a shitload of money, and we get to decide which candidates get what.

    The DNC needs to go to some of their own for bank, before they come to me with their hat in hand.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    I'm iffy on Kerry. I definitely would have voted for him if I wasn't dismayed at him for switching sides too much.

    He was/is MUCH better than Bush but I felt like I couldn't give my vote to a guy that switches opinions too much and would say whatever to get elected.

    My vote isn't cheap and I abstained from voting. My vote was his to take but he managed to screw up.

    Kerry also voted for this war and now says it was a mistake. I am as anti-war as Cindy Sheehan, but this guy would have mentioned how he voted for the war if the debacle in Iraq was going swimmingly.

    I mean literally, if Kerry would have stayed consistent (not necessarily with core Democratic values---we all know he couldn't have been pro-gay and expect to win), he would have EASILY gotten my vote and probably a lot of the Nader votes.

    Am I the only one that feels this way? I personally think the Democrats deserve better (cough cough Howard Dean cough cough).
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    I'm iffy on Kerry. I definitely would have voted for him if I wasn't dismayed at him for switching sides too much.

    He was/is MUCH better than Bush but I felt like I couldn't give my vote to a guy that switches opinions too much and would say whatever to get elected.

    My vote isn't cheap and I abstained from voting. My vote was his to take but he managed to screw up.
    That was an error on your part -- I think time has shown that to be true.


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    I mean literally, if Kerry would have stayed consistent (not necessarily with core Democratic values---we all know he couldn't have been pro-gay and expect to win), he would have EASILY gotten my vote and probably a lot of the Nader votes.

    Am I the only one that feels this way? I personally think the Democrats deserve better (cough cough Howard Dean cough cough).
    I sort of see your thinking. I mean, as much as I think Bush is an incompetent -- not much of a follower, let alone a so-called "leader," either -- I can see the stark difference between Bush's certainty and Kerry's seeming ambivalence on certain issues, and even though people should have known how reckless and dishonest Bush was at that time, one could believe Bush meant what he said. Kerry? Not so much. And while Kerry wasn't any more of a "flip flopper" than Bush, he appeared to be.

    Kerry should have nailed that AWOL George WTC Bush to a Catholic cross with only three nails -- Kerry should have been able to take down that coward. Whether he got cold feet, or whether he just didn't have the fire to win, regardless, Kerry was a LOUSY CANDIDATE. He even looks like Hillary Le Clinton.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    That was so FRUSTRATING.

    Those veterans attacking Kerry's record in Vietnam when Bush was a draft dodger. I wanted them to go to HELL (still want them to go there).

    Some way Kerry beat Dean. I will never understand that.

    But like I said, those veterans and their campaigning infuriated me as I am still livid to this day for them going at Kerry the way they did.

    And it's so sad that America didn't realize what a crook Bush was by the second election. And in all honesty, why is Bush doing bad now? Shit was bad before the second election and then all of a sudden he has bad ratings? I don't t get the American public.

    You know what the sad part is? I truly believe if Presidential elections were held today and Bush could run again, I believe would win. I really do.
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Wholeheartedly agree with all...why in the hell would you SAVE money in a campaign? The point is to win...Bush should have been a relatively easy takedown in 2004 if the campaign was run correctly and like GA pointed out...it's all about perception with the voters. It'll be interesting to see what happens in a couple weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    That was so FRUSTRATING.

    Those veterans attacking Kerry's record in Vietnam when Bush was a draft dodger. I wanted them to go to HELL (still want them to go there).
    It would have been one thing if there were true holes in Kerry's record, but there weren't holes -- Kerry performed in a manner that pleased his commanders and they rewarded him multiple times. I, too, was fucking furious at the audacity, especially in light of Bush's own personal cowardice and duplicity. That said, Kerry KNEW he was going to be smeared -- he was warned by several reporters in February of 2004, one of whom was a senior figure at BBC; Kerry did nothing to prepare for that battle. And when that battle came, rather than repel it, rather than meet it head on and countering with Bush's desertion during the Vietnam War, Kerry said NOTHING for nearly TWO WEEKS. Now, think of what subliminal message Kerry's inaction sent to voters. Think of how so many Americans must have wondered if there wasn't a grain of truth in the SWISH Boaters smear campaign. By the end of the first week of September 04, the election was decided, and decided largely on the "character" issue. Amazing.

    Some way Kerry beat Dean. I will never understand that.
    Kerry didn't beat Dean, the hyenas in the news media, the head-nodding lazy bastards like Candy Crowley (CNN) and Adam Nagorney (NY Times) beat Dean by inventing the "Dean Scream" that never really happened -- not in the context of Dean going kooky. These same whores who licked Rove's ball sack and anal cavity are the same twats that sunk Al Gore with their inventions -- they invented things that Gore never did or said and just kept repeating them, like the internet, and Love Story, and the Union label song -- all invented by our "liberal" media.

    And it's so sad that America didn't realize what a crook Bush was by the second election. And in all honesty, why is Bush doing bad now? Shit was bad before the second election and then all of a sudden he has bad ratings? I don't t get the American public.
    Voters were ready to turn away from Bush, they just wanted Kerry to close the sale, and he never did. Let's recall that Kerry didn't lose by much: 75,000 votes to his favor in Ohio and he would be president. Of course, the "liberal" media lapdogs gladly repeated and created resonance for Rove's claim that Bush had won by a "mandate." Well, a mandate is a LOT MORE VOTES than 51%, which is what Bush got, but those reporters are so bad with math.

    You know what the sad part is? I truly believe if Presidential elections were held today and Bush could run again, I believe would win. I really do.
    Not a chance. America, if anything, has "buyer's remorse," as evinced by the fact that coward Bush hasn't polled above 50% since 9 November 2004, or almost exactly two years (Harris Polls). Bush is currently polling at 34%, meaning only one third of voters approve of his job as president, the lowest recorded since that other Republican freak, Richard Nixon, some thirty plus years ago.

    I'm convinced that American voters have been subjected to the most sophisticated propaganda campaign in our history, one that started when rancid Ronnie Reagan was elected, a campaign that has smeared liberalism and Democrats, a campaign that introduced the notion that Republicans are fiscally prudent (lie) and strong of defense (lie -- see Iraq), one that introduced America to the notion that its media was liberal, and not to be trusted. And while I may be speaking too soon, signs are everywhere that the true record, the true agenda of the radical right is becoming clear to voters, and the voters are turned off by the lies and the mendacity and the failures of the morally bankrupt, intellectually dishonest, congenially incompetent right wing movement in the nation.

    This election will be a signal event, my friend, it is the way out of this mess.





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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by hotcbr View Post
    Wholeheartedly agree with all...why in the hell would you SAVE money in a campaign? The point is to win...Bush should have been a relatively easy takedown in 2004 if the campaign was run correctly and like GA pointed out...it's all about perception with the voters. It'll be interesting to see what happens in a couple weeks.
    I don't think Kerry had a clue as to how to organize and drive a national campaign. He probably thought he could delegate it, like it were this week's soiled dress shirts and dry cleaning. Well, one cannot hand off responsibility for a national campaign to one's man servants and expect to win.

    Despite what the right wing noise machine blares into our televisions and newspapers, Democrats have a fairly compelling story to tell and a track record that is worth revisiting. At least Dems know how to run a government, and how to balance a budget, two things the wildly elude the incompetent GOP.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Update from AmericaBlog ...


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    Dems asked Kerry to share his millions to help Dem candidates, Kerry said no </B>
    by John in DC - 10/22/2006 11:02:00 AM



    Boston Globe:
    Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, has given less than $15,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee since the beginning of 2005. Though he has helped candidates in a variety of other ways, his last major financial contribution to the DSCC came a month after he lost the 2004 presidential election, when he used $1 million in leftover campaign funds to help the committee retire its debt....

    Last month, when DSCC officials asked all Democratic senators for last-call financial contributions before Election Day, Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts was among three lawmakers who donated $1 million each. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York signed a check for $2 million.

    Kerry, however, kept his checkbook shut. The senator's aides said he has no plans to give again.

    Jerry Lundergan, chairman of the Kentucky Democratic Party, said he contacted Kerry's advisers on Thursday, urging them to tell the senator how much the congressional campaigns need his money.

    "I have made my wishes known," said Lundergan, whose state features two close House races in which Democrats have a good chance to oust incumbent Republicans. "It's his money to do with what he wants to. But I only hope that he shares some of it with those states, such as Kentucky, which contributed very extensively to his campaign."


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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Kerry better give up that money and not even think about running for President again in '08. He's a loser and never should have ran in the first place. I cringed when I marked my ballot next to his name, but there was no way I was going to vote for Bush.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Kerry better give up that money and not even think about running for President again in '08. He's a loser and never should have ran in the first place. I cringed when I marked my ballot next to his name, but there was no way I was going to vote for Bush.
    And his efforts to pick a purse fight with Bush make me wonder if Kerry has the Sore Loserman disease -- he must have tongued Lieberman in the cloak room or something.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Yeah true but the election was stolen so how could he feel that way? Oh yeah your different post aren't making sense Alpo. Your kinda like the Democratic party all over the place and not quite sure.
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Kerry better give up that money and not even think about running for President again in '08.
    I saw his interview this morning on 'This Week with George Stephanopoulos'. George asked him about the 8 million he had left over from the campaign as cited in the website www.heyjohn.org .

    Kerry claims that he has raised and given over 11 million for various Democrats ..... although he didn't give a split as to how much was raised and how much was given. He said that he has traveled to 34 different States and that 'we' are spending down 'our' leftover money in order to go out and help people win their individual races.

    Eight million seems like a lot of money for travel expenses ...... but hey, what do I know?

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    I think Kerry's stock has fallen.
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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

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    I think Kerry's stock has fallen.
    When I read your brief post, the image of Munch's "The Scream" came to mind, and that's how I react when I think of being saddled with Kerry as our nominee.

    Kerry wasn't my first or second choice in 2004 -- I wanted Dean or Edwards -- but when he got the nod, I supported his candidacy even though it was clear to me back in February of 2004 that he has "loser" written all over him.

    During the New Hampshire primary he was asked to explain his support of the Senate's Authorization to Use Force by an NPR reporter, and it took Kerry slightly more than six minutes to answer the question. Six minutes. And while his reply made sense, honey, let me tell you, New Hampshire voters don't have the patience or stamina to listen to a UN-styled General Assembly length reply to the simple fucking question: why did you, John Kerry, candidate for the nomination of your party, support the fucking legislation? It could be said that I felt like 'our ship had sunk before it left port.'

    Perhaps Kerry has gotten some needed media coaching and isn't as stiff and loquacious these days. Maybe he has learned how to connect with voters (a skill that is best plied by those who were born with that ability). All good ideas, but I suspect that whatever he has learned will come across as artificial, as strained, canned, over-planned, over-done and utterly unconvincing.

    I suspect we'll have a real shooting match in 2008 -- a real food fight, a brawl. We shouldn't be led into battle by a man who hasn't learned how to throw a few pies.

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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

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    I think Kerry's stock has fallen.
    Ya think?

    I swear if the Democratic Party nominates Kerry as their pick for the President in 2008, I'm turning in my credentials as a Democratic delegate!

    But not to worry! I'll be there before hand to do everything that I can to make sure that he never gets that nomination!

    The party needs someone with Charisma, Leadership, and the ability to spell out to the American people how we're on the wrong path, and to not be afraid to call the Republicans on their shit! All of it! 24/7.

    American's respond to leadership just as equally as they do to a lack of it.

    Kerry should focus on writing his memoirs, and following in the steps of Carter, Clinton, and Gore; find a project and make the world a better place!





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    Re: Will John Kerry Hold on to His Millions, That We Gave Him, While Democrats Lose?

    Kerry is like a candidate designed by committee and about as inspired.

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