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    Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    In an interesting confluence of centrist candidates... Harold Ford, who is in a toss-up battle here in Tennessee, has endorsed Joe Lieberman. Ford, of course, is well to the right of most Democrats running this year, and he's running against an opponent who is well to the left of most GOP'ers running. And while Ford has endorsed Lieberman, it is folks like Lamont who have the most to gain from Ford's success. Also interesting that for some of us in Tennessee, a powerful reason to vote against Ford is because of the leadership that it would bring into the Senate... whilst Ford himself has run against the established, more left-leaning leadership in the House.


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    From a conservative standpoint, despite the fact that I would like to see Lieberman defeat Lamont, Ford's endorsement does little to affect my opinion of him. How about you Lamont supporters? Does this change your opinion of Ford?


    Harold Ford Backs Lieberman

    U.S. Congressman and Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr., D-Tenn., formally announced that he is supporting Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman’s re-election to the U.S. Senate.

    Lieberman was defeated by billionaire Ned Lamont in the Democratic Primary this past August in Connecticut, but has continued his run for re-election as an independent candidate.

    Only a handful of Democratic leaders are backing Lieberman and many of the party's most notable stalwarts, such as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy are backing Lamont.

    "I support Joe Lieberman . . . and I’ve made that clear from the very beginning,” Ford told Nashville talk radio host, Steve Gill.
    Ford made this announcement when he stopped by the WLAC Nashville studio to talk with Gill about his own campaign for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

    Gill questioned Ford’s initiative to become an "independent voice” as a Democrat in the U.S. Senate in the aftermath of the Democrats behavior toward "independent voice” Joe Lieberman.

    Ford supported Lieberman in his primary race, but has previously declined to endorse Lieberman in the general election campaign.
    Ford himself is locked in a hotly contested, dead-heat race in Tennessee with Republican nominee Bob Corker, the former mayor of Chattanooga, Tenn.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    As you said, if Ford wins he could potentially bring about a change in leadership in the Senate, which would be terrific. If supporting the White House's candidate in CT helps get Ford elected, so be it. I imagine Ford is about as liberal a candidate as you can get for TN these days. People in CT on the other hand have a right to expect something better than Joe Lieberman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Your support for Droopy is a "conservative standpoint" or a partisan one?
    Yes.


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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I think that was a stupid move on Harold Ford's part. As a Democrat in Texas, I have no vote in the situation. Since he is running as a Democrat, he should accept the results of the Democratic primary in Connecticut. I hope, he didn't just blow his winning the election. It would have been better if he had kept his mouth shut. I know it is a free country, and he can say what he wants.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I don't believe this will put Ford's chances in dire jeopardy. You must remember that in the South the Democrats are conservative. In fact most, most Republicans are former Democrats who joined the GOP only after they felt the Dems drifted too far left. A favorite saying in the South is, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, th Democratic Party left me."

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by Homoerectus View Post
    I don't believe this will put Ford's chances in dire jeopardy. You must remember that in the South the Democrats are conservative. In fact most, most Republicans are former Democrats who joined the GOP only after they felt the Dems drifted too far left. A favorite saying in the South is, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, th Democratic Party left me."
    I actually think it will make no difference at all at the polls. The political junkies who are familiar with and care about the CT race here in TN have already made up their minds. The majority of voters will never hear of the endorsement, or won't particularly care either way.

    To me it's a lot more interesting in terms of party dynamics, and the kind of reaction you see in the General's post.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I've been a fan of Harold Ford since he landed in Congress but this endorsement of Lieberman rings hollow for me. My opinion of Ford has always been positive even with the shaky politics of his family known. Is he just pandering to the conservative Dems and disgruntled Repubs? I just wish he kept silent on this issue.

    You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I'm glad to see Harold Ford is not just another gutless politician, from either side of the aisle, who, like the Nazis or Commies, just follows orders of the "party". I'd rather see folks who will take a stand on an issue, even if it is not the desired stand of their particular party.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Maltese can't seem to grasp the "Big Tent" concept. An endorsement of Lamont would not go over well in Tennessee and could have been used against Ford.

    I would think that most voters in Tennessee would sympathize with poor Joe, fighting the "radical left" within his own party.

    The irony in the South is that Lieberman and Giuliani are wildly popular even though their views are supposed to be anathema to the Southern voter. Northern liberals can support Ford for the same reason - an acceptance of regional differences.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    ^Obviously no one has polled the South on their attitude toward Lieberman, but it is my sense that that Lieberman's talk of faith and traditional values goes over well in the south. Giuliani (who is supporting Lieberman) praised Lieberman to an audience in South Carolina on 9/6/2006 and Newt Gingrich is a Lieberman supporter. In addition, the entire Republican party is supporting Lieberman.

    Do you think that Lieberman is unpopular in the south? After Bush kissed him? Or are you just trying to nitpick postings and blowing smoke again? Your observations on Giuliani is a recitation of the obvious.
    .
    The point of the post was that both parties and voters take into consideration regional differences and don't expect an adherence to some hardcore doctrine. NE Republicans have little in common with Southern Republicans and Dems like Ford or Bill Nelson have differences with the NE Dems.

    It is the genius of the two party system. E Pluribus Unum! Too bad that you are just a voyeur to the process.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    ^We should get back on topic? Aside from inadequate responses to the various postings, you have, as usual, never responded to the first post. Do you support Lieberman, Ford, Lamont, anybody?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Speaking of which, if you would like to dabble with facts for once, why not uncapitalize "Libertarian" in that post so it could be at least slightly accurate.
    A libertarian is a libertarian who will not even commit to being a Libertarian. Do I have that right?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Still having trouble with reading comprehension? I stated many times to you that libertarian is a philosophy and Libertarian is the partisan.
    Why are you posting in a political forum if you have no political opinions? Are they a secret? Don't libertarians take a stance? I know more about your lunch preferences (chicken nuggets, burger - no cheese) than I know about your political preferences. This is a political forum, not a nitpickers forum.

    Your posts remind me of the guy that drives up to the scene of a disaster, jumps out of the ambulance, runs over to the victim bleeding to death on the ground, and starts picking lint out of his navel. You never address the point being made. Is this a libertarian thing or a dyslexic thing or a fear of standing for anything?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Your support for Droopy is a "conservative standpoint" or a partisan one?
    Thanks for that "clarification".

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    The only thing you are interested in obtaining is information for ad hominem attacks... the abuse of knowing I eat chicken nuggets and hamburgers has proven that much.
    Your lunch menu is the only hard position you have taken. Can one abuse knowing someone eats nuggets and burgers (no cheese)?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Maltese can't seem to grasp the "Big Tent" concept. .
    Perhaps, but more likely you haven't grasped the idea of political discussion without personal attacks and assuming facts not in evidence. I asked what others thought. Never said I didn't understand why. Besides, don't you see just a teensy bit of irony for claiming a big tent for endorsing a candidate who has essentially been thrown out by the Democratic establishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    An endorsement of Lamont would not go over well in Tennessee and could have been used against Ford.
    An endorsement of Lamont would have been a non-issue in Tennessee, and it terms of being used against anyone, I wasn't aware Senatorial candidates were somehow required to make endorsements in other State's races.

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    I would think that most voters in Tennessee would sympathize with poor Joe, fighting the "radical left" within his own party.

    The irony in the South is that Lieberman and Giuliani are wildly popular even though their views are supposed to be anathema to the Southern voter.
    Not sure why you think Tennessee voters would have a particular affection for a man they didn't vote for when he was seeking national office. He lost about the most thorough poll of likely voters you can have, you know. That hardly qualifies as 'wildly popular'.

    As for Guiliani, he is indeed somewhat popular....since you think his views would somehow be anathema to Southern voters, why do you think he's popular...just for his haircut or something?


    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Northern liberals can support Ford for the same reason - an acceptance of regional differences.
    acceptance of regional differences

    The very lack of the concept that you mention is a reason the Democrats are not currently the occupants of the White House, you know. Condescension towards and total lack of understanding for much of the rest of the country is a hallmark of many in democratic (and media) leadership roles. Take a quick gander through many of the threads on this board and you'll find a number of fine examples of the mindset.

    Ignoring customary disdain of regional differences for the sake of political power - now that I'd buy.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    ^The only regional differences that the Dems have distain for are the ones which have denied people their rights or attempted to force beliefs on others. Race and religion come to mind.

    I refuse to believe that Lieberman is unpopular in the south, every Republican politician in the country is supporting him. I think Tennesseans find Giuliani an acceptable politician for a northern city. The only thing that they have in common with southern voters is their support of Bush and the war. Neither could get elected dog catcher in Tennessee, hence my point that the two party system accepts regional politicians of varying views.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    ^The only regional differences that the Dems have distain for are the ones which have denied people their rights or attempted to force beliefs on others.
    Really, eh? No casual contempt or ill-founded assumptions on education? or small town life? or awareness of issues which affect all of us in every region of America? There are no Dems out there with a bit of casual disdain for other regions when contemplated such things? None?

    Fascinating.


    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    I can think think of a few states that we might be better off without.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    When "red staters" begin to be concerned with education, health insurance, racism, environmental issues, and our dependence on middle eastern oil, then they can add my name to "a prayer chain".
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Today the southerners would be at odds with the population of any other country, just as they are with this one.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    There are certain rural low income states that the Dems may never get again, but states like Florida, Virginia, and eventually even Texas are doing better and where there is a little money and a little education the Dems have a chance to make inroads.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    We really needn't worry about the South and the other red states. The regressive cultures of these areas will soon be a thing of the past.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    I don't think that it is all about "elitist" red states, but rather a large portion of the country that seems to suffer from an inferiority complex. I think they see the world changing around them and they are increasingly uncomfortable and fearful.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

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    Do we need to drive up to Dillard's and stock up on some more Ferragamos and Donna Karen's? We can take my pick-up truck.
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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Just curious -- how can you say with apparent certainty that Lieberman isn't especially popular, and that Giuliani is "somewhat" popular? What facts are you working with?
    Let's see... why would I claim to be generally familiar with the political debate in the State of Tennessee? If I'm going to claim such, I guess I'd better go find me some Tennesseans of a variety of political stripes to ask, wonder where I'll find those?

    Oh, wait. I live here.

    Never claimed to be certain about their exact level of popularity, just asserting that 'wildly popular' isn't particularly apt. As for facts, see your own reference to an election. Less than 50% ain't 'wildly popular'.

    If it is, then I'm going to assure you that the President has been 'wildly popular' for some time now.

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    As an FYI, Gore-Lieberman didn't exactly get trounced in Tenn, dontchaknow. They lost 51% to 48.41%, and by less than 75,000 votes. Conversely, Kerry lost 57% to 43%, so it is possible Lieberman helped Gore -- it is possible he's a Likudite rock star among your state's voters, particularly since so many of these voters identify themselves as evangelicals/born a'gins.
    Anything's possible. I think I'll go with the slight possibility that Gore being from here has something to do with it.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    Ladies, you girls are going to break a nail from all of these purse fights.

    Do we need to drive up to Dillard's and stock up on some more Ferragamos and Donna Karen's? We can take my pick-up truck.

    Egads, no! These elitist Yankees would probably buy something white after Labor Day.

    But if you have king cab and a gun rack, we can discuss taking a trip with say, just the two of us.


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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    Really, eh? No casual contempt or ill-founded assumptions on education? or small town life? or awareness of issues which affect all of us in every region of America? There are no Dems out there with a bit of casual disdain for other regions when contemplated such things? None?

    Fascinating.
    Gee, now I know how Paul McCartney feels. I don't see how those out of context statements are at odds with with my original post about denial of rights and forcing beliefs on others, but at any rate, I was speaking of the Democratic Party not lil ole me.

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    I have a king cab, but no gun rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    I have a king cab, but no gun rack.
    Ok, we can still take that trip. But if you don't have a gun rack, I guess you'll just have to hold any concealed weapons that I bring along.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    Ok, we can still take that trip. But if you don't have a gun rack, I guess you'll just have to hold any concealed weapons that I bring along.

    Oh, indeed! I'll phone Frankfort right away and get your permit started. But seeing as I may be bad you might have to keep your weapon exposed just to keep me in line.
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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Actually, no you didn't, and this is because you are deceived by iman's penchant for lying. The original conversation had nothing to do with what I eat for lunch and the question remains if I even eat lunch.
    Next: The Great Breakfast Lies!

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    [quote=ICO7; I can understand why iman might be stuck there, after all he's old enough to be my grandfather; [/quote]

    Actually, I was stationed down your way for awhile in the Army. If your grandmother was an overweight bleach blond that worked from room to room in a certain run down hotel in Columbia SC, well, it just could be------.

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    ^At that age age I'd fuck anything, and usually did.

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