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    Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    In an interesting confluence of centrist candidates... Harold Ford, who is in a toss-up battle here in Tennessee, has endorsed Joe Lieberman. Ford, of course, is well to the right of most Democrats running this year, and he's running against an opponent who is well to the left of most GOP'ers running. And while Ford has endorsed Lieberman, it is folks like Lamont who have the most to gain from Ford's success. Also interesting that for some of us in Tennessee, a powerful reason to vote against Ford is because of the leadership that it would bring into the Senate... whilst Ford himself has run against the established, more left-leaning leadership in the House.


    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...026.shtml?s=ic

    From a conservative standpoint, despite the fact that I would like to see Lieberman defeat Lamont, Ford's endorsement does little to affect my opinion of him. How about you Lamont supporters? Does this change your opinion of Ford?


    Harold Ford Backs Lieberman

    U.S. Congressman and Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr., D-Tenn., formally announced that he is supporting Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman’s re-election to the U.S. Senate.

    Lieberman was defeated by billionaire Ned Lamont in the Democratic Primary this past August in Connecticut, but has continued his run for re-election as an independent candidate.

    Only a handful of Democratic leaders are backing Lieberman and many of the party's most notable stalwarts, such as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy are backing Lamont.

    "I support Joe Lieberman . . . and I’ve made that clear from the very beginning,” Ford told Nashville talk radio host, Steve Gill.
    Ford made this announcement when he stopped by the WLAC Nashville studio to talk with Gill about his own campaign for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

    Gill questioned Ford’s initiative to become an "independent voice” as a Democrat in the U.S. Senate in the aftermath of the Democrats behavior toward "independent voice” Joe Lieberman.

    Ford supported Lieberman in his primary race, but has previously declined to endorse Lieberman in the general election campaign.
    Ford himself is locked in a hotly contested, dead-heat race in Tennessee with Republican nominee Bob Corker, the former mayor of Chattanooga, Tenn.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    As you said, if Ford wins he could potentially bring about a change in leadership in the Senate, which would be terrific. If supporting the White House's candidate in CT helps get Ford elected, so be it. I imagine Ford is about as liberal a candidate as you can get for TN these days. People in CT on the other hand have a right to expect something better than Joe Lieberman.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Your support for Droopy is a "conservative standpoint" or a partisan one?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Your support for Droopy is a "conservative standpoint" or a partisan one?
    Yes.


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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    The animus between Lieberman and the Democratic voters of Connecticut is high -- after all, these Dem voters rejected Lieberman, they did not want him representing their party in the general election or their state in the US Senate -- not as a Democrat.

    There is one candidate running for this US Senate seat in Connecticut as the Democrat and his name is Ned Lamont. Some people on this board think it's a sin to be a stickler for party etiquette, but the fact is, Dems support other Dems -- that's how parties survive and prosper.

    Now. Maltese, you had a thread about Harold Ford getting most of his money from out of state (something that's no big deal to me). Well where do you support that money, those millions and millions of dollars came from? I suspect a lot of it came from liberals and party-liners, hard-core contributors to the Democratic organization. Lots of money is also flowing to Ford from other accounts of the party (the DSCC, etc). How well do you think Ford's decision will resonate among the faithful? How forgiving will these people be to a Senator Ford? How eager will the Democratic leadership be in punishing Ford, vis a vis committee assignments? And, omigosh, what will Ford do if (actually, when) Lieberman bolts and caucuses with the verminous Republicans? Won't he feel and look stupid...

    Ford isn't my sort of Democrat -- he's more DINO than Democrat, a nascent Zell Miller, I fear -- so I never expected much ideological fondness, but like a dog's only guaranteed virtue, I did expect loyalty.

    Well, Harold Ford won't be receiving an "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas" card from Alfie this year, that seems pretty certain.




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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I think that was a stupid move on Harold Ford's part. As a Democrat in Texas, I have no vote in the situation. Since he is running as a Democrat, he should accept the results of the Democratic primary in Connecticut. I hope, he didn't just blow his winning the election. It would have been better if he had kept his mouth shut. I know it is a free country, and he can say what he wants.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I don't believe this will put Ford's chances in dire jeopardy. You must remember that in the South the Democrats are conservative. In fact most, most Republicans are former Democrats who joined the GOP only after they felt the Dems drifted too far left. A favorite saying in the South is, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, th Democratic Party left me."

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by Homoerectus View Post
    I don't believe this will put Ford's chances in dire jeopardy. You must remember that in the South the Democrats are conservative. In fact most, most Republicans are former Democrats who joined the GOP only after they felt the Dems drifted too far left. A favorite saying in the South is, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, th Democratic Party left me."
    I actually think it will make no difference at all at the polls. The political junkies who are familiar with and care about the CT race here in TN have already made up their minds. The majority of voters will never hear of the endorsement, or won't particularly care either way.

    To me it's a lot more interesting in terms of party dynamics, and the kind of reaction you see in the General's post.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I've been a fan of Harold Ford since he landed in Congress but this endorsement of Lieberman rings hollow for me. My opinion of Ford has always been positive even with the shaky politics of his family known. Is he just pandering to the conservative Dems and disgruntled Repubs? I just wish he kept silent on this issue.

    You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    I'm glad to see Harold Ford is not just another gutless politician, from either side of the aisle, who, like the Nazis or Commies, just follows orders of the "party". I'd rather see folks who will take a stand on an issue, even if it is not the desired stand of their particular party.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Maltese can't seem to grasp the "Big Tent" concept. An endorsement of Lamont would not go over well in Tennessee and could have been used against Ford.

    I would think that most voters in Tennessee would sympathize with poor Joe, fighting the "radical left" within his own party.

    The irony in the South is that Lieberman and Giuliani are wildly popular even though their views are supposed to be anathema to the Southern voter. Northern liberals can support Ford for the same reason - an acceptance of regional differences.

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    Why would Lieberman be "wildly" popular in the South? I couldn't find any articles even remotely inferring such an assertion. I assume that it has more to do with Republican groupthink since Lieberman is for the Iraq War and evangelicals who share Lieberman's devotion to the state of Israel, although for different reasons (evangelicals perceive Israel as a mere tool to ring in the Rapture). Even so, no one, outside of Connecticutians (or whatever) and partisans, seems overly concerned with him.

    I assume Giuliani's popularity lies with those that fell for the media proclaiming us "all New Yorkers" and that Giuliani is "America's mayor"; his popularity comes only from the perception he did such a great job on and post 9/11, riding the crest of presumption that helped Bush's popularity and obscure the truth of reality of 9/10.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    ^Obviously no one has polled the South on their attitude toward Lieberman, but it is my sense that that Lieberman's talk of faith and traditional values goes over well in the south. Giuliani (who is supporting Lieberman) praised Lieberman to an audience in South Carolina on 9/6/2006 and Newt Gingrich is a Lieberman supporter. In addition, the entire Republican party is supporting Lieberman.

    Do you think that Lieberman is unpopular in the south? After Bush kissed him? Or are you just trying to nitpick postings and blowing smoke again? Your observations on Giuliani is a recitation of the obvious.
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    The point of the post was that both parties and voters take into consideration regional differences and don't expect an adherence to some hardcore doctrine. NE Republicans have little in common with Southern Republicans and Dems like Ford or Bill Nelson have differences with the NE Dems.

    It is the genius of the two party system. E Pluribus Unum! Too bad that you are just a voyeur to the process.

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    ^ It's the old Libertarian mantra of "Don't fix the problem -- fix the blame." You know how they are, they like to sit on the sidelines and BLAME EVERYONE ELSE. (Or is the the old Libertarian "Princess and the Pea" syndrome? I forget, but both are equally damning, dontchaknow.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Do you think that Lieberman is unpopular in the south? After Bush kissed him? Or are you just trying to nitpick postings and blowing smoke again? Your observations on Giuliani is a recitation of the obvious.
    No, but he also isn't popular in the South, which was my point. I called you on your hasty generalization hyperbole, however I was perhaps hoping you'd have some facts other than your opinion, or what you called "sense".

    It is the genius of the two party system. E Pluribus Unum! Too bad that you are just a voyeur to the process.
    There is no genius in the two party system. And the translation of that is "out of many, one"---you should look for the Latin for "out of two, two". However, I take it from your post that you've still yet to take some basic poli-sci courses in your absence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    ^ It's the old Libertarian mantra of "Don't fix the problem -- fix the blame." You know how they are, they like to sit on the sidelines and BLAME EVERYONE ELSE. (Or is the the old Libertarian "Princess and the Pea" syndrome? I forget, but both are equally damning, dontchaknow.)
    Aw, are you still upset that I spanked you all those times recently? Speaking of which, if you would like to dabble with facts for once, why not uncapitalize "Libertarian" in that post so it could be at least slightly accurate. How is my correcting iman's fallacious assertion about a demographic "fixing the blame"? Who, in fact, was I blaming in my post? Perhaps Homoaffectional has you jealous and this is why you are wanting to reclaim your Rush Coulter throne from that sloppy upstart and you only intend to libel against me with nonsense posts like this instead of dabbling with those facts you like to talk about on occasions that are convenient to your partisan hackery.

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    ^ Oh, dear, dear, dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    ^ Oh, dear, dear, dear.
    That's what I thought. Since the topic has nothing to do with me, despite your penchant for fallacious thinking to the contrary, it's time to get back to some semblance of being on topic.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    ^We should get back on topic? Aside from inadequate responses to the various postings, you have, as usual, never responded to the first post. Do you support Lieberman, Ford, Lamont, anybody?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Speaking of which, if you would like to dabble with facts for once, why not uncapitalize "Libertarian" in that post so it could be at least slightly accurate.
    A libertarian is a libertarian who will not even commit to being a Libertarian. Do I have that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    That's what I thought. Since the topic has nothing to do with me, despite your penchant for fallacious thinking to the contrary, it's time to get back to some semblance of being on topic.
    What the fuck are you talking about? Seems to me I did not reply to anything you pity-potted on the forum. Anger management exercises not working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    ^We should get back on topic? Aside from inadequate responses to the various postings, you have, as usual, never responded to the first post. Do you support Lieberman, Ford, Lamont, anybody?
    Again, the topic isn't about me, hence it isn't about who I support. My first post was to clarify exactly what it was maltese meant with his post and, Of course, you'll find my posts "inadequate" because my second post was critical of your assumption about the South, thus explaining how defensive you immediately became.

    Quote Originally Posted by iman
    A libertarian is a libertarian who will not even commit to being a Libertarian. Do I have that right?
    Still having trouble with reading comprehension? I stated many times to you that libertarian is a philosophy and Libertarian is the partisan. It's not that hard, really, if you'd stop trying your damndest to attack me with every possible chance you can get, pathetic or no. Although they've all been pathetic really, so I guess the "or no" part was superfluous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about? Seems to me I did not reply to anything you pity-potted on the forum. Anger management exercises not working?
    No you didn't directly reply, but indirectly, cowardly, did with a post in reply to iman who was replying to me.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Hey, neighbor I live on the Virginia-Tennessee border.

    I like Ford.

    Harold Ford (from the website) Elected in 1996, Ford has been re-elected four times by an average of 80% of the vote and enjoys a reputation as a consensus builder. In 1998, Ford was 28 years old when he cast his vote for the first federal balanced budget - the first time America's budget had been balanced since 1969. He has played pivotal roles in advancing legislation to reform the nation's campaign finance laws, to crack down on corporate cheaters by strengthening corporate governance laws, to encourage more Americans to serve their country and to raise standards in public education.

    Lieberman wants to legislate "morality" and that's just plain wrong. Even though I am a Democrat, I would not vote for Lieberman based upon his desire to censor Hollywood. I'm a very strong believer in free speech, that includes movies and television that some don't like.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Still having trouble with reading comprehension? I stated many times to you that libertarian is a philosophy and Libertarian is the partisan.
    Why are you posting in a political forum if you have no political opinions? Are they a secret? Don't libertarians take a stance? I know more about your lunch preferences (chicken nuggets, burger - no cheese) than I know about your political preferences. This is a political forum, not a nitpickers forum.

    Your posts remind me of the guy that drives up to the scene of a disaster, jumps out of the ambulance, runs over to the victim bleeding to death on the ground, and starts picking lint out of his navel. You never address the point being made. Is this a libertarian thing or a dyslexic thing or a fear of standing for anything?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Your support for Droopy is a "conservative standpoint" or a partisan one?
    Thanks for that "clarification".

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Why are you posting in a political forum if you have no political opinions? Are they a secret? Don't libertarians take a stance? I know more about your lunch preferences (chicken nuggets, burger - no cheese) than I know about your political preferences. This is a political forum, not a nitpickers forum.

    Your posts remind me of the guy that drives up to the scene of a disaster, jumps out of the ambulance, runs over to the victim bleeding to death on the ground, and starts picking lint out of his navel. You never address the point being made. Is this a libertarian thing or a dyslexic thing or a fear of standing for anything?
    I've made many stances on this forum and expressed my opinion on many occasions. If you care so much then you should be quite familiar with my posts and would already know that your assertion is false. The only thing you are interested in obtaining is information for ad hominem attacks... the abuse of knowing I eat chicken nuggets and hamburgers has proven that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Thanks for that "clarification".
    I was requesting clarification from maltese; it would be him that would offer the clarification.

    Thanks for more proof about how bitter and petty you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    The only thing you are interested in obtaining is information for ad hominem attacks... the abuse of knowing I eat chicken nuggets and hamburgers has proven that much.
    Your lunch menu is the only hard position you have taken. Can one abuse knowing someone eats nuggets and burgers (no cheese)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    The only thing you are interested in obtaining is information for ad hominem attacks... the abuse of knowing I eat chicken nuggets and hamburgers has proven that much.
    If someone abuses the information that you eat certain foods at lunch time, that should really start setting off alarm bells. I believe it has. Now. Armed with this data, how would one launch an attack, and will you counter using your little black helicopters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Your lunch menu is the only hard position you have taken. Can one abuse knowing someone eats nuggets and burgers (no cheese)?
    I don't see why I'm having to defend my record here---it's easy to search for yourself and see that you are lying. Why do you care so much anyway, other than trying to find a new basis for your attack? You don't seem so enthusiastic to bother everyone else on all of their stances, unless by "hard position" you mean that I need to choose a party, or you are trying to decide if you want to use me as a write-in on election day. I don't see anyone on here quizzing everyone else on all of their positions on everything discussed, nor have I done it either.

    As for your abuse of what I eat, have you yet to shut up about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    If someone abuses the information that you eat certain foods at lunch time, that should really start setting off alarm bells. I believe it has. Now. Armed with this data, how would one launch an attack, and will you counter using your little black helicopters?
    The sad thing is that he has misused the information he has obtained---I don't eat those foods for lunch. Continued proof that all either of you want is information to personally attack the other person, no matter how pathetic, petty, unreasonable, or bitter. The only people in this thread not talking about Ford or Lieberman, even indirectly, are you two because you are harping on this nonsense regarding me.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Maltese can't seem to grasp the "Big Tent" concept. .
    Perhaps, but more likely you haven't grasped the idea of political discussion without personal attacks and assuming facts not in evidence. I asked what others thought. Never said I didn't understand why. Besides, don't you see just a teensy bit of irony for claiming a big tent for endorsing a candidate who has essentially been thrown out by the Democratic establishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    An endorsement of Lamont would not go over well in Tennessee and could have been used against Ford.
    An endorsement of Lamont would have been a non-issue in Tennessee, and it terms of being used against anyone, I wasn't aware Senatorial candidates were somehow required to make endorsements in other State's races.

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    I would think that most voters in Tennessee would sympathize with poor Joe, fighting the "radical left" within his own party.

    The irony in the South is that Lieberman and Giuliani are wildly popular even though their views are supposed to be anathema to the Southern voter.
    Not sure why you think Tennessee voters would have a particular affection for a man they didn't vote for when he was seeking national office. He lost about the most thorough poll of likely voters you can have, you know. That hardly qualifies as 'wildly popular'.

    As for Guiliani, he is indeed somewhat popular....since you think his views would somehow be anathema to Southern voters, why do you think he's popular...just for his haircut or something?


    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Northern liberals can support Ford for the same reason - an acceptance of regional differences.
    acceptance of regional differences

    The very lack of the concept that you mention is a reason the Democrats are not currently the occupants of the White House, you know. Condescension towards and total lack of understanding for much of the rest of the country is a hallmark of many in democratic (and media) leadership roles. Take a quick gander through many of the threads on this board and you'll find a number of fine examples of the mindset.

    Ignoring customary disdain of regional differences for the sake of political power - now that I'd buy.

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    ^The only regional differences that the Dems have distain for are the ones which have denied people their rights or attempted to force beliefs on others. Race and religion come to mind.

    I refuse to believe that Lieberman is unpopular in the south, every Republican politician in the country is supporting him. I think Tennesseans find Giuliani an acceptable politician for a northern city. The only thing that they have in common with southern voters is their support of Bush and the war. Neither could get elected dog catcher in Tennessee, hence my point that the two party system accepts regional politicians of varying views.

    ICO7 - I have your lunch menu in the dossier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    Not sure why you think Tennessee voters would have a particular affection for a man they didn't vote for when he was seeking national office. He lost about the most thorough poll of likely voters you can have, you know. That hardly qualifies as 'wildly popular'.

    As for Guiliani, he is indeed somewhat popular....since you think his views would somehow be anathema to Southern voters, why do you think he's popular...just for his haircut or something?
    Just curious -- how can you say with apparent certainty that Lieberman isn't especially popular, and that Giuliani is "somewhat" popular? What facts are you working with?

    As an FYI, Gore-Lieberman didn't exactly get trounced in Tenn, dontchaknow. They lost 51% to 48.41%, and by less than 75,000 votes. Conversely, Kerry lost 57% to 43%, so it is possible Lieberman helped Gore -- it is possible he's a Likudite rock star among your state's voters, particularly since so many of these voters identify themselves as evangelicals/born a'gins.

    Quote Originally Posted by maltese
    The very lack of the concept that you mention is a reason the Democrats are not currently the occupants of the White House, you know. Condescension towards and total lack of understanding for much of the rest of the country is a hallmark of many in democratic (and media) leadership roles. Take a quick gander through many of the threads on this board and you'll find a number of fine examples of the mindset.

    Ignoring customary disdain of regional differences for the sake of political power - now that I'd buy.
    Our party looks a whole lot more like America than yoursl There is a Congressional black caucus in the House, a group of some 43 members. Guess how many are Republicans? None, none because your party HAS NO BLACK CONGRESSMEN! This is but one example.

    Yes, yes, yes, as opposed to the "progressive" South, a land where we had to send federal troops so poor black girls could go to school unmolested by white bigots, where in parts of the feds still have to check up on voting equality...

    Well, if you ever journeyed to The Land of the Enemy, perhaps you'd change your mind. I suspect that the effects of thirty-some years of right wing indoctrination has some sway with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    ^The only regional differences that the Dems have distain for are the ones which have denied people their rights or attempted to force beliefs on others.
    Really, eh? No casual contempt or ill-founded assumptions on education? or small town life? or awareness of issues which affect all of us in every region of America? There are no Dems out there with a bit of casual disdain for other regions when contemplated such things? None?

    Fascinating.


    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    I can think think of a few states that we might be better off without.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    When "red staters" begin to be concerned with education, health insurance, racism, environmental issues, and our dependence on middle eastern oil, then they can add my name to "a prayer chain".
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Today the southerners would be at odds with the population of any other country, just as they are with this one.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    There are certain rural low income states that the Dems may never get again, but states like Florida, Virginia, and eventually even Texas are doing better and where there is a little money and a little education the Dems have a chance to make inroads.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    We really needn't worry about the South and the other red states. The regressive cultures of these areas will soon be a thing of the past.
    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    I don't think that it is all about "elitist" red states, but rather a large portion of the country that seems to suffer from an inferiority complex. I think they see the world changing around them and they are increasingly uncomfortable and fearful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Yes, yes, yes, as opposed to the "progressive" South, a land where we had to send federal troops so poor black girls could go to school unmolested by white bigots, where in parts of the feds still have to check up on voting equality...
    Any examples that happened since I was born?

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Just curious -- how can you say with apparent certainty that Lieberman isn't especially popular, and that Giuliani is "somewhat" popular? What facts are you working with?
    Let's see... why would I claim to be generally familiar with the political debate in the State of Tennessee? If I'm going to claim such, I guess I'd better go find me some Tennesseans of a variety of political stripes to ask, wonder where I'll find those?

    Oh, wait. I live here.

    Never claimed to be certain about their exact level of popularity, just asserting that 'wildly popular' isn't particularly apt. As for facts, see your own reference to an election. Less than 50% ain't 'wildly popular'.

    If it is, then I'm going to assure you that the President has been 'wildly popular' for some time now.

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    As an FYI, Gore-Lieberman didn't exactly get trounced in Tenn, dontchaknow. They lost 51% to 48.41%, and by less than 75,000 votes. Conversely, Kerry lost 57% to 43%, so it is possible Lieberman helped Gore -- it is possible he's a Likudite rock star among your state's voters, particularly since so many of these voters identify themselves as evangelicals/born a'gins.
    Anything's possible. I think I'll go with the slight possibility that Gore being from here has something to do with it.

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    LOL!!! I know that, Sister Woman, but I mean FACTS, f-a-c-t-z!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    Ladies, you girls are going to break a nail from all of these purse fights.

    Do we need to drive up to Dillard's and stock up on some more Ferragamos and Donna Karen's? We can take my pick-up truck.

    Egads, no! These elitist Yankees would probably buy something white after Labor Day.

    But if you have king cab and a gun rack, we can discuss taking a trip with say, just the two of us.


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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    Really, eh? No casual contempt or ill-founded assumptions on education? or small town life? or awareness of issues which affect all of us in every region of America? There are no Dems out there with a bit of casual disdain for other regions when contemplated such things? None?

    Fascinating.
    Gee, now I know how Paul McCartney feels. I don't see how those out of context statements are at odds with with my original post about denial of rights and forcing beliefs on others, but at any rate, I was speaking of the Democratic Party not lil ole me.

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    I have a king cab, but no gun rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    I have a king cab, but no gun rack.
    Ok, we can still take that trip. But if you don't have a gun rack, I guess you'll just have to hold any concealed weapons that I bring along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    Ok, we can still take that trip. But if you don't have a gun rack, I guess you'll just have to hold any concealed weapons that I bring along.

    Oh, indeed! I'll phone Frankfort right away and get your permit started. But seeing as I may be bad you might have to keep your weapon exposed just to keep me in line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    LOL!!! I know that, Sister Woman, but I mean FACTS, f-a-c-t-z!
    Actually, the burden of proof would be on the one who put forth the assertion that they were "wildly popular" in the South.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    I don't see how those out of context statements...
    Really, so in context you have totally different opinions?
    ...are at odds with with my original post about denial of rights and forcing beliefs on others...
    So the Democrat Party still lives in the past? Is that why they actually argued that WMDs didn't exist in Iraq, because the party is stuck in the 1950s? As for the religion thing, the entirety of the South isn't trying to impose religion on others, so the only people that buy that argument are the intellectually dishonest... oh, that's right. I am typing this to you. I really should stop giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Any examples that happened since I was born?
    And how would I know when you were born? I mean, I just now learned what you eat for lunch -- and that had to be pistol-whipped out of you.

    You can, of course, volunteer that information so as to assure a prompt response, but be mindful that that nugget of info, much like your chicken nuggets, will be recorded in the universal dossier being collated, and any and all data can and will be used against you by people in tin foil hats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    And how would I know when you were born?
    Huh, I thought it was on my profile. Oh well, how about in the last decade then?

    I mean, I just now learned what you eat for lunch -- and that had to be pistol-whipped out of you.
    Actually, no you didn't, and this is because you are deceived by iman's penchant for lying. The original conversation had nothing to do with what I eat for lunch and the question remains if I even eat lunch.

    You can, of course, volunteer that information so as to assure a prompt response, but be mindful that that nugget of info, much like your chicken nuggets, will be recorded in the universal dossier being collated, and any and all data can and will be used against you by people in tin foil hats.
    You joke, but it is well established that you above all here are known for personal attacks and any information gained is information used for them---I mean, how often have you been issued points or even banned here? So, you can toss the conspiracy crap as if it is effective in hiding your sordid past to those here in the know. As for iman, he hasn't shut up about what I eat since what was a discussion of minimum wage that I had with smelter a long time ago; shoots a hole in that crazy conspiracy dossier spin you two are attempting.

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    Re: Harold Ford endorse Joe Lieberman

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    You joke, but it is well established that you above all here are known for personal attacks and any information gained is information used for them---I mean, how often have you been issued points or even banned here?
    "Mr. Babcock," Auntie Mame said, "Knowledge is power!"


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