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    Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    A black man, but a Republican, verses a Democrat, but a white one from a rural district.

    Where do you think the racist vote will go in Ohio this year? Will they stick with their party or hold their nose and vote for the "Democrat Party"? Or will they stay home (which helps the Democracy Party in down-ballot races)?

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    When someone asserted that "They will leave it blank before they vote for a Dem OR an African American; So, a NO VOTE",

    Ohio D violetandblue responded --

    Yes...

    I live in white racist central, and that is the impression I'm getting. My dad is a staunch Republican who always votes - I know that he won't vote for Blackwell. He sounded like he was leaning toward Ted for awhile, but recently said that Ted doesn't sound qualified enough. I am so surprised that he actually seemed ready to consider it for awhile - he NEVER votes Democratic. It's hard to say overall, because I know just south of here in Pike county, Ted is revered by Dems and Reps alike. He has saved a major plant down there I don't know how many times. It doesn't mean the Reps will vote for him, but even hardcore Reps in the south central and southeastern areas respect the man. He used to be our district's rep in Ross county before re-districting, and now he is on the SE side, so he's covered a wide range.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Our candidates for Senate are a black Republican and an old white Democrat.

    The Democrat is a major bore and a political hack but I can't stand the thought of Maryland sending a Republican to the Senate, especially if control of the Senate is really at stake. How ironic would it be if the Senate were 1 seat away from a Democratic majority and the state of Maryland (where Dems outnumber Republicans 2 to 1) sent a Republican to the Senate?

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Quote Originally Posted by epicAdam View Post
    Our candidates for Senate are a black Republican and an old white Democrat.

    The Democrat is a major bore and a political hack but I can't stand the thought of Maryland sending a Republican to the Senate, especially if control of the Senate is really at stake. How ironic would it be if the Senate were 1 seat away from a Democratic majority and the state of Maryland (where Dems outnumber Republicans 2 to 1) sent a Republican to the Senate?
    Won't happen... even w/Maryland being a Diebold state, it won't happen. Rest assured, that the majority of Maryland voters do not share your 'old white Democrat' sentiment about Cardin to the extent of not voting for him. How many 'old white Republicans' are there in the US Senate, again...?

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    ^^
    I didn't say I wasn't voting for Cardin, just that he's going to be a do-nothing, just like our current Senators. I really wish we had somebody running who had flare and charisma to actually work for change and promote new ideas.

    But Steele is definitely running a campaign to separate himself from Republicans and much of the very large African American community in Maryland likes Steele's message on social issues, especially anti-gay marriage. It could be important seeing as how we're awaiting a decision from the Maryland Supreme Court on gay marriage any time now.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    If you are voting for the party hack instead of what the candidate stand for, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. I always vote for the candidate who I belive will do the best job. I've only voted a straight party ticket once in my life and that was against Jimmy Carter and the Democrats in 1980.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    ^^
    Normally I would agree with you. But this political climate is a war and in war, you choose a side.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Quote Originally Posted by epicAdam View Post
    But Steele is definitely running a campaign to separate himself from Republicans
    Um... these days, who isn't???


    much of the very large African American community in Maryland likes Steele's message on social issues, especially anti-gay marriage.
    That *might* have worked... in a pre-Katrina world... not a post-Katrina one.

    It could be important seeing as how we're awaiting a decision from the Maryland Supreme Court on gay marriage any time now.
    That decision won't come for at least two more years. We've been waiting over four for the one here in NJ.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Strickland has a 20 point lead. Say goodnight, Kenny!

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    First lets state that I'm not a racist nor white; so I guess I'm going to sort of highjack this particular thread...I'm really having a hard time figuring why and how anyone could even consider voting for the most unqualified candidate for Governor in the United States: Ted "Do Nothing" Strickland. He has no ideas, no vision, no quality.

    This is not to say that ole' JKB is perfect. Obviously he doesn't share the same view of homosexuality as anyone on this post. But this is irrelevant to this particular race however, because neither does Strickland. So unless you're going to withhold from voting period, you must choose a side based on more than just "who's pro-gay" and "who ain't". I choose the side of fiscal conservatism and competence. I choose the side of vision and qualifications. And while I'm not in total sync with John Kenneth Blackwell, I support his candidacy on the grounds that I agree with him more than I disagree; and his opposition is wholly unacceptable in my opinion.

    I'm voting for Blackwell.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Quote Originally Posted by RICBOUND2004 View Post
    I'm voting for Blackwell.
    Isn't Boise in Idaho?

    Obviously Blackwell would dismiss any charges that he broke the law; it is amazing at how so many would take the man's word and overlook what could be a crime against the very purpose and principle of this country---robbing people of their right to vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling Stones article
    No state was more important in the 2004 election than Ohio. The state has been key to every Republican presidential victory since Abraham Lincoln's, and both parties overwhelmed the state with television ads, field organizers and volunteers in an effort to register new voters and energize old ones. Bush and Kerry traveled to Ohio a total of forty-nine times during the campaign -- more than to any other state.(42)

    But in the battle for Ohio, Republicans had a distinct advantage: The man in charge of the counting was Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of President Bush's re-election committee.(43) As Ohio's secretary of state, Blackwell had broad powers to interpret and implement state and federal election laws -- setting standards for everything from the processing of voter registration to the conduct of official recounts.(44) And as Bush's re-election chair in Ohio, he had a powerful motivation to rig the rules for his candidate. Blackwell, in fact, served as the ''principal electoral system adviser'' for Bush during the 2000 recount in Florida,(45) where he witnessed firsthand the success of his counterpart Katherine Harris, the Florida secretary of state who co-chaired Bush's campaign there.(46)

    Blackwell -- now the Republican candidate for governor of Ohio(47) -- is well-known in the state as a fierce partisan eager to rise in the GOP. An outspoken leader of Ohio's right-wing fundamentalists, he opposes abortion even in cases of rape( 48 ) and was the chief cheerleader for the anti-gay-marriage amendment that Republicans employed to spark turnout in rural counties(49). He has openly denounced Kerry as ''an unapologetic liberal Democrat,''(50) and during the 2004 election he used his official powers to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens in Democratic strongholds. In a ruling issued two weeks before the election, a federal judge rebuked Blackwell for seeking to ''accomplish the same result in Ohio in 2004 that occurred in Florida in 2000.''(51)

    ''The secretary of state is supposed to administer elections -- not throw them,'' says Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat from Cleveland who has dealt with Blackwell for years. ''The election in Ohio in 2004 stands out as an example of how, under color of law, a state election official can frustrate the exercise of the right to vote.''

    The most extensive investigation of what happened in Ohio was conducted by Rep. John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee.(52) Frustrated by his party's failure to follow up on the widespread evidence of voter intimidation and fraud, Conyers and the committee's minority staff held public hearings in Ohio, where they looked into more than 50,000 complaints from voters.(53) In January 2005, Conyers issued a detailed report that outlined ''massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio.'' The problems, the report concludes, were ''caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell.''(54)

    ''Blackwell made Katherine Harris look like a cupcake,'' Conyers told me. ''He saw his role as limiting the participation of Democratic voters. We had hearings in Columbus for two days. We could have stayed two weeks, the level of fury was so high. Thousands of people wanted to testify. Nothing like this had ever happened to them before.''

    When ROLLING STONE confronted Blackwell about his overtly partisan attempts to subvert the election, he dismissed any such claim as ''silly on its face.'' Ohio, he insisted in a telephone interview, set a ''gold standard'' for electoral fairness. In fact, his campaign to subvert the will of the voters had begun long before Election Day. Instead of welcoming the avalanche of citizen involvement sparked by the campaign, Blackwell permitted election officials in Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo to conduct a massive purge of their voter rolls, summarily expunging the names of more than 300,000 voters who had failed to cast ballots in the previous two national elections.(55) In Cleveland, which went five-to-one for Kerry, nearly one in four voters were wiped from the rolls between 2000 and 2004.(56)

    There were legitimate reasons to clean up voting lists: Many of the names undoubtedly belonged to people who had moved or died. But thousands more were duly registered voters who were deprived of their constitutional right to vote -- often without any notification -- simply because they had decided not to go to the polls in prior elections.(57) In Cleveland's precinct 6C, where more than half the voters on the rolls were deleted,( 58 ) turnout was only 7.1 percent(59) -- the lowest in the state.

    According to the Conyers report, improper purging ''likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters statewide.''(60) If only one in ten of the 300,000 purged voters showed up on Election Day -- a conservative estimate, according to election scholars -- that is 30,000 citizens who were unfairly denied the opportunity to cast ballots.
    The article goes for 4 pages, but is a great read as to why both Harris and Blackwell shouldn't be running for anything until after a proper investigation has cleared their name. Also interesting is how it is the Greens and the Libertarians, neither of which really had a clear chance of winning anything, that was so interested in a recount because they sensed something criminal may have been done. Makes you wonder why the Democrats (with exceptions, none of which were Kerry), and the media as Olbermann is also quoted as blaming, were too quick to hit the snooze button.

    Source: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...ction_stolen/1

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Homoerectus View Post
    If you are voting for the party hack instead of what the candidate stand for, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. I always vote for the candidate who I belive will do the best job. I've only voted a straight party ticket once in my life and that was against Jimmy Carter and the Democrats in 1980.
    Candidates stand for their party, whether they want to or not, particulary in this age of party discipline and dependence on party money.

    The two parties have a history and an emphasis that are distinct enough to make a choice. There is little point in voting for someone who is a "nice guy" if he is going to support his party's agenda.

    In Penna., I don't like making a choice between Santorum and Casey, but that is the choice and I will hold my nose and vote for Casey and all the other Dems.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Candidates stand for their party, whether they want to or not, particulary in this age of party discipline and dependence on party money.
    Mainly because they aren't held to any standard by the partisan sheep and the multitude who are disenchanted and have nothing to do with politics at all; these people are accomplices to the problem and will not solve it.

    The two parties have a history and an emphasis that are distinct enough to make a choice. There is little point in voting for someone who is a "nice guy" if he is going to support his party's agenda..
    I don't see anywhere in his quote the words "nice guy"---he was talking about qualifications and who will do the "best job."

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    The quote was intended to imitate common parlance, any relation to a person living or dead is purely coincidental.

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    Re: Who will white racists vote for in the Ohio Governor's race?

    Strickland is the most decent man I have ever met in politics. He is running about 20 points ahead so now he is being villified by Blackwell and the Republican surrogates, including radio hosts in Cincy area. It's disgusting and disgraceful what they have thrown at him. It's looking like a Democratic sweep, too, as Sherrod Brown is 8-9 points ahead of DeWhine. The Ohio Republican Party aligned with the far right and with loss of manufacturing base and jobs,jobs, jobs and scandals everywhere in the state, is done this time around. gman

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