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    Christian Right Mobilize in Massachusetts

    Just when I thought I was somewhat safe in the liberal and tolerant and progressive bastion that is known as Massachusetts, here come the very powerfully organized religious right - this time a conservative Baptist group - denouncing same sex marriage and other social ills.

    You see the state has on it's November ballot a proposal to the public concerning amending the state constitution to prohibit same sex marriage, even though the state supreme court ruled 4-3 in it's favor a couple of years ago. They are trying to rally conservatives in Massachusetts to vote against it. I'm not sure where the latest polls stand on the issue, but it doesn't look good for them. Thank God.

    Also, they are doing every thing they can to mobilize Christian conservatives around the country to help fight what they see as the good fight. Money from out of state is coming in to help fund their agenda against same sex marriage.

    Meanwhile, Governor Mitt Romney wants his name associated with conservatives and conservative values as he moves towards the national scene; i.e. prepping for a run for President in '08 me thinks. He's about as lame duck a politician right now as can be.

    As an Independently registered voter I see this as a purely secular and civic ruling that is pro-individual - part of a decades long trend since World War II that has liberated millions and millions of Americans. Remember separation of church and state. No church or temple has to honor this civic ruling in any way. It's not about them.

    Anyway, here's what they are up to. Sorry that this article is so long.

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    "Broadcast condemns same-sex marriage"

    Romney urges evangelical fight

    By Maria Cramer, Globe Staff | October 16, 2006

    Governor Mitt Romney joined social conservatives and religious leaders at a downtown Boston church last night for a nationwide broadcast that condemned same-sex marriage and called on evangelicals to fight what they see as a threat to Christian beliefs and values.

    In a cavernous, gilded room festooned with American flags, speakers described how a ``homosexual agenda" was interfering with the constitutional rights of same-sex marriage opponents to express their dissent and religious freedom.
    Romney, a Republican who may run for president in 2008, told several hundred people at the Tremont Temple Baptist Church, ``Every child deserves a mother and a father."
    ``Today, there are some people who would like to establish a single religion, the religion of secularism," he said to thunderous applause at the event, dubbed ``Liberty Sunday," and which organizers said might have reached close to 80 million people.
    On Tremont Street, across from the church, dozens of supporters of same-sex marriage held a candlelight vigil to protest the broadcast.
    Many carried signs, some of which read ``No Discrimination in the Constitution" and ``Religious Liberty is not a License for Bigotry."
    Amy Lippincott, 22, a third-year student, attended the protest with the Northeastern University Bisexual Lesbian and Gay Association. She called the message that gay rights infringe on religious rights the ``most virulently homophobic thing I've come across in some time."
    In a statement, the same-sex marriage defender group MassEquality criticized Romney and the event. ``It's ironic that, adjacent to Boston's Freedom Trail, Mitt Romney is teaming up with the most right-wing voices in the country to demonize and belittle loving couples and families who live in the state he purports to govern," the group said.
    Stanley Griffith, president of Greater Boston Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, called Romney's message ``a shabby effort to court the religious right," and emphasized his belief that marriage is a civil union that should be separated from religion. As events inside the temple ended, the protesters marched in a circle outside the door, chanting ``Shameful," and pointing at those streaming out onto the sidewalk.
    During the simulcast, images of Boston flickered on a large screen over the stage of the sanctuary. The transmission went out over the Internet and several Christian television and radio networks, allowing Romney to beam his socially conservative views to the kind of voters he might hope to reach across the country.
    He had to repeat his speech when a technical glitch caused the link to the simulcast to go down briefly .
    Hundreds of churches were tuned into the broadcast, said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, which organized the event.
    In addition to such high-profile religious speakers as Bishop Wellington Boone of Atlanta, and Bishop Gilbert Thompson, pastor of Jubilee Christian Church in Boston, council leaders brought stories of gay-marriage opponents around the country who said they had been persecuted for expressing their opinions.
    David Parker, the Lexington father who divided the school district when he demanded that his son be taken out of classes where homosexuality would be discussed, received a standing ovation after he told the crowd that school officials interfered with his parental rights.
    At a press conference hours before the simulcast, Perkins said the stories of Parker and Wirthlin and dozens of other similar tales would be featured in a 60-minute DVD called ``Critical Mass," in which Romney calls for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, Perkins said.
    The DVD and the broadcast, Perkins said at the press conference, are part of increasing efforts to fight the politicians and activists he said are hostile toward socially conservative Christians.
    During the simulcast, Perkins encouraged viewers across the nation to purchase the DVD, which also shows Romney describing Massachusetts as the birthplace of ``traditional marriage." Thompson, the pastor at Jubilee, called on the audience to protect marriage between a man and a woman.
    ``For the sake of future generations, get on board," Thompson said. ``Take a stand against this radical social experiment that seeks to redefine marriage."
    But the focus of the fight against gay marriage, he said, should be on Massachusetts, where same-sex marriage was legalized in 2004.
    ``I want to encourage you to pray for Massachusetts," Perkins told the crowd. ``Pray for this state."
    © Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.

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    Re: Christian Right Mobilize in Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by Agoateeguy View Post
    Just when I thought I was somewhat safe in the liberal and tolerant and progressive bastion that is known as Massachusetts, here come the very powerfully organized religious right - this time a conservative Baptist group - denouncing same sex marriage and other social ills.
    If anything, these guys turn off voters. Even the 25 or so elected Republicans (out of a grand total of 200 in the Massachusetts state legislature) are being turned off by the wingnuts from the Article 8 Alliance and Mass'Resistance'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agoateeguy View Post
    [Massachusetts] has on it's November ballot a proposal to the public concerning amending the state constitution to prohibit same sex marriage …
    According to the Elections Division website, there are only 3 State Ballot Questions for 2006 and none relate to marriage. The Boston Globe article indicates that “Romney calls for a constitutional amendment.”

    Apparently, it is merely being proposed~ so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    According to the Elections Division website, there are only 3 State Ballot Questions for 2006 and none relate to marriage. The Boston Globe article indicates that “Romney calls for a constitutional amendment.”

    Apparently, it is merely being proposed~ so far.
    At this point, the earliest it could make it onto the ballot is 2008. Read my response titled 'Homoaffectional Won't Be Ready to Join You any time soon...' on this thread for what needs to be done to defeat the 'proposed' amendment.

    I might repost it here as well...

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    the only reason mitt is doing this is cause he thinks he'll be the GOP nominee for president in 2 years (HA!)...he thinks he could run on a "i ran the most sinful state in the country and held the line" platform...like he ever really ran this state. the democrats have such an overwhelming majority in both houses that they pass whatever they want and override his vetos...wonder if anyone will bring that up!
    "Yo mama is so fat she can't even jump to a conclusion!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    the only reason mitt is doing this is cause he thinks he'll be the GOP nominee for president in 2 years (HA!)...he thinks he could run on a "i ran the most sinful state in the country and held the line" platform...like he ever really ran this state.
    The only way Romney will ever be elected as anything is if he goes back to his native Utah. He won't even be elected as dogcatcher in any other state. I'm sure if a Republican gets elected president any time in the next 20 years (which will probably only happen through rigging of the vote), he might get a cabinet position.

    the democrats have such an overwhelming majority in both houses that they pass whatever they want and override his vetos...wonder if anyone will bring that up!
    Why should they? It has no bearing on the gay marriage amendment since that doesn't have anything to do w/signing bills or vetoes -- constitutional amendments are passed or rejected independent of the governor... and they really didn't need Mitt's help to get the 50 amendments... Democrats, 173 strong in the state legislature, couldn't even be united enough as the party of 'civil rights' and 'liberal'ism to defeat the amendment, even though they have the numbers, and on top of that, about 5-10 Republicans have also opposed the amendment depending on what point in the debate this came up.

    And this is after the state party endorsed marriage equality in 2004, and it was added to the party's plank in 2005. I repeat...


    These are the people that voted AGAINST delaying the issue back on July 13th:

    Demetrius J. Atsalis, D-Hyannis - N
    John J. Binienda, D-Worcester - N
    Garrett J. Bradley, D-Hingham - N
    Bruce J. Ayers, D-Quincy - N
    Arthur J. Broadhurst, D-Methuen - N
    Jennifer M. Callahan, D-Sutton - N
    Christine E. Canavan, D-Brockton - N
    Stephen R. Canessa, D-New Bedford - N
    Mark J. Carron, D-Southbridge - N
    Paul C. Casey, D-Winchester - N
    Virginia Coppola, R-Foxborough - N
    Robert Correia, D-Fall River - N
    Robert K. Coughlin, D-Dedham - N
    Geraldine Creedon, D-Brockton - N
    Sean Curran, D-Springfield - N
    Viriato Manuel deMacedo, R-Plym. - N
    Paul J. Donato, D-Medford - N
    Joseph R. Driscoll, D-Braintree - N
    Lewis G. Evangelidis, R-Holden - N
    James H. Fagan, D-Taunton - N
    Christopher G. Fallon, D-Malden - N
    Jennifer Flanagan, D-Leominster - N
    David L. Flynn, D-Bridgewater - N
    John P. Fresolo, D-Worcester - N
    Paul K. Frost, R-Auburn - N
    Colleen M. Garry, D-Dracut - N
    Susan W. Gifford, R-Wareham - N
    Anne M. Gobi, D-Spencer - N
    Emile J. Goguen, D-Fitchburg - N
    Thomas A. Golden Jr., D-Lowell - N
    Shirley Gomes, R-South Harwich - N
    Mary E. Grant, D-Beverly - N
    William G. Greene Jr., D-Billerica - N
    Geoffrey D. Hall, D-Westford - N
    Robert S. Hargraves, R-Groton - N
    Bradford Hill, R-Ipswich - N
    Donald F. Humason Jr., R-Westfield - N
    Frank M. Hynes, D-Marshfield - N
    Bradley H. Jones Jr., R-North Reading - N
    Michael F. Kane, D-Holyoke - N
    John Keenan, D-Salem - N
    Robert M. Koczera, D-New Bedford - N
    William Lantigua, D-Lawrence - N
    James Brendan Leary, D-Worcester - N
    Stephen P. LeDuc, D-Marlborough - N
    John A. Lepper, R-Attleboro - N
    David P. Linsky, D-Natick - N
    Paul J. Loscocco, R-Holliston - N
    James R. Miceli, D-Wilmington - N
    James M. Murphy, D-Weymouth - N
    Kevin J. Murphy, D-Lowell - N
    David M. Nangle, D-Lowell - N
    Harold P. Naughton Jr., D-Clinton - N
    Robert J. Nyman, D-Hanover - N
    Thomas J. O'Brien, D-Kingston - N
    Eugene L. O'Flaherty, D-Chelsea - N
    Marie J. Parente, D-Milford - N
    Alice H. Peisch, D-Wellesley - N
    Jeffrey D. Perry, R-Sandwich - N
    George N. Peterson Jr., R-Grafton - N
    William ``Smitty" Pignatelli, D-Lenox - N
    Elizabeth A. Poirier, R-N. Attleborough - N
    Karyn E. Polito, R-Shrewsbury - N
    Susan W. Pope, R-Wayland - N
    John F. Quinn, D-Dartmouth - N
    Michael J. Rodrigues, D-Westport - N
    Mary S. Rogeness, R-Longmeadow - N
    Richard Ross, R-Wrentham - N
    Michael F. Rush, D-Boston - N
    Angelo M. Scaccia, D-Boston - N
    Todd Smola, R-Palmer - N
    Theodore C. Speliotis, D-Danvers - N
    Joyce A. Spiliotis, D-Peabody - N
    Harriett L. Stanley, D-West Newbury - N
    William M. Straus, D-Mattapoisett - N
    David B. Sullivan, D-Fall River - N
    Walter F. Timilty, D-Milton - N
    A. Stephen Tobin, D-Quincy - N
    Timothy J. Toomey Jr., D-Cambridge - N
    Philip Travis, D-Rehoboth - N
    Anthony J. Verga, D-Gloucester - N
    Daniel K. Webster, R-Hanson - N
    James T. Welch, D-West Springfield - N

    SENATE

    Scott P. Brown, R-Wrentham - N
    Robert L. Hedlund, R-Weymouth - N
    Richard T. Moore, D-Uxbridge - N
    Michael W. Morrissey, D-Quincy - N
    Robert D. O'Leary, D-Barnstable - N
    Steven C. Panagiotakos, D-Lowell - N
    Bruce E. Tarr, R-Gloucester - N
    James E. Timilty, D-Walpole - N



    67 of the ones listed above are *Democrats*. If all 67 of those Democrats, along with the 100 or so that voted to delay, vote against the amendment, it will be dead in the water.

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    Re: Christian Right Mobilize in Massachusetts

    Great, glad to hear it's not on the ballot. I'll have to get new informers and spies and such.

    It's the November 9th Constitutional Convention here in Massachusetts that has us folk worried. That's when they'll get to vote.

    They conservatives need 50 votes out of 200 legislatures to get the Constitutional Amendment thing going forward for the 2008 ballot question where the public gets to vote.

    Not sure where the latest state-wide polls are, but we can't become complacent and sit back while the opposition works it's magic.

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    ARE there enough lawyers in Provincetown to put together an anti-defamation class-action suit against the Christian Right???
    I expect it would require a novel strategy to be successful. [and I have ideas, yes I have ideas].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurn View Post
    ARE there enough lawyers in Provincetown to put together an anti-defamation class-action suit against the Christian Right???
    I expect it would require a novel strategy to be successful. [and I have ideas, yes I have ideas].
    And what legal entity do you expect to be the defendant in your action against the Christian Right?

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    Organizations which are found to be fostering slanderous/libelous associations.
    There's a little law against it.
    "Thou shalt not bear false witness..."
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    Re: Christian Right Mobilize in Massachusetts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurn View Post
    Organizations which are found to be fostering slanderous/libelous associations.
    There's a little law against it.
    "Thou shalt not bear false witness..."
    EEEEEEeeeeeeeek! Are you claiming religious basis for a law?


    Seriously, no offense intended, but what is a slanderous/libelous association, and how does one foster one?

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    It's amazing that some people think the "religious freedom" of THE MAJORITY entitles them to religious oppression of everyone else. I have no idea how they can think it's ok to whine and protest like they are a persecuted minority and belittle the struggles of everyone who fought for civil rights in the past. If there is a hell, they're the ones going there, not us.

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    well somewhere in our nation's founding documents there is the notion of freedom from the tyranny of the majority. which is actuall a notion i'm fond of. just because everyone feels a certain way isn't grounds for denying other folk opposing points of view or ways of living. being in the majority is just that and not grounds for usurping more power than they need to.

    are there any scholars out there who might have the source of the above idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    EEEEEEeeeeeeeek! Are you claiming religious basis for a law?


    Seriously, no offense intended, but what is a slanderous/libelous association, and how does one foster one?
    Religious basis? I am claiming a cultural basis; a basis of ancient precedence that if probed proves its reason for perenniality, for being an "evergreen" judicial notion. A person that bears false witness is not regarded as an ideal person to do business with in a court of law.

    I think you know basically what slander and libel refer to generally. When one publically makes a false communication that damages another person, that is a legally tortious and liable behavior. The sued does not need to have known that what was communicated was not true, only to have neglected to have informed themselves in a reasonably forthright manner and then communicated as if they knew the truth. There are legal subtleties that would vary according to state. I imagine that punitive damages would not be great but an injunction-type of remedy might be had following this strategy.
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