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    Question for our American friends :)



    My question is... why wouldnt you guys remove that government from power after they pulled that off?

    I know its small, but up here that scandal would be enough to cause the government to fall.

    That is obscene.

    (and 1984 was an awesome book)

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    Thats the least of what this admin has done! I tried in 2000 and 2004 to prevent this guy from getting office.

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    part of the problem is that the majority of Americans are apathetic about the current state of politics. In 2004 the total amount of people who voted was: 122,293,332 - this means that 42.45% of the US population actually voted (bear in mind that this is total population and not just eligible voters). So, we have a case of ma little more than 1/3 of the population picking the president for the entire population. It's very sad.
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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    We invaded Iraq to liberate the people from an unpopular, corrupt leader.
    Why don't you Canadians do the same thing for us?
    Please!!!!!

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    LOL good one!

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    Quote Originally Posted by unclaimedblessing View Post
    We invaded Iraq to liberate the people from an unpopular, corrupt leader.
    Why don't you Canadians do the same thing for us?
    Please!!!!!
    *dispatches the RCABs*

    (royal canadian attack beavers)

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    We have no standards down here. We are in a little civil war and ethics were the first casualty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cAndId View Post
    *dispatches the RCABs*

    (royal canadian attack beavers)
    Wouldn't the RCAWs* be more effective?


    *Royal Canadian Assault Wolverines

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    like tommyj said, this isn't exactly the worst they've done. and we don't have a parliamentary system here where the whole government falls if they're unpopular...it looks like his party is about to lose in this falls elections and he's gonna still be president for another 2 years. he's like a fungus you just can't get rid of.
    "Yo mama is so fat she can't even jump to a conclusion!"


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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    Seriously...

    I think part of the answer is that we're stuck in this utterly tragic two-party oligarchy. If we throw out these morons, we get... another set of morons, brought to us by the people who brought us the last batch of morons.

    A partial solution would be to make the House a proportional representation body, the way it's done in England, etc. If each party set forth candidates in a state, and their portion of the vote determined how many congressmen they got to send, I think things would turn around fast! My bet is that people would suddenly realize they might be able to actually be represented, and alternative-party candidates would be heading to Washington in droves -- Libertarians, Greens, Constitution, Reform, etc. And with that change, the Big Two would have to start behaving better, serving better, working harder.
    Besides, I think it would quickly guarantee that no single party could dominate Washington, which the vast majority of Americans think is a Good Thing.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    On nov 7, 2006 we will spek with a check mark. I fine that most of us americans are all talk and no action. When was the last time any of you wrote or called your congressman.
    Freedom is not free.
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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Seriously...
    A partial solution would be to make the House a proportional representation body, the way it's done in England, etc. If each party set forth candidates in a state, and their portion of the vote determined how many congressmen they got to send, I think things would turn around fast!
    You want to rewrite the Constitution?

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    whats the video at top about?

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    Very funny clip...........thanks for sharing. Oh, as for the Bush administration falsifying news clips.........hmmmmmmmmmm.........from a professional viewpoint .....................how embarrassing for the new agencies who failed to confirm their news sources prior to airing that nonsense........based on some current management techniques the news agencies involved should bypass their poor news reporting processes and go directly to problem solving techniques.........because they got problems........


    As for impeaching the Bush Administration over this..........me having not been born in America still believe that the worst day in America beats the best day anywhere else.......at least in the known total universe (being the summation of all matter that exists and the space in which all events occur or could occur).......

    But truly on a personal note I don't agree with a lot of the decisions made by the Bush Administration and I truly do not trust Dick Chaney......oops did I say that.....yepp sure did

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    You want to rewrite the Constitution?
    Why not? Bush has shredded it.

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    The last time I wrote my congresscritters was in the late spring.

    As for re-writing the Constitution... yes, on a few points:

    1. As above, make the House a matter of proportional representation, so we get some other parties in there. If nothing else, it will allow more voices to be heard, and will probably make people focus more on substance, because there will be people watching more closely for putting on just shows. For example, getting a "looks-good" environmental law passed might be just a little hard for the PTBs when there a a few Greens sitting in the chamber, dedicated to be hawks on such things.

    2. Require every law passed -- and make it retroactive -- to be examined for constitutionality because being allowed to pass, with the point to be to make sure it conforms to the strict intent of the Constitution. That oath they all take is supposed to ensure it, but it hasn't worked; I' not sure most of them has ever read the constitution.

    3. Require them to READ before voting, and know what's in the bill if they're for it. As one method of enforcing this, allow a challenge to someone speaking for a bill to demonstrate knowledge of it to always take precedence on the floor, and the one challenged has to stand there and answer questions about it put from the challenger and from any dozen others who oppose the bill.
    On the principle that the multiplication of laws leads to disrespect for all law, those opposing any new law would not be subject to such challenge.

    4. Expand the Bill of Rights, to get some points across. Get freedom of association, freedom of expression, privacy, self-defense (the whole "castle doctrine"), in there again -- I say "again" because they are part of it already, but getting them stated explicitly would help. Reiterate the Ninth and Tenth Amendments as well with a more forceful statement. Augment things with "Freedom of Education" (Separation of School and State), and a heavy-duty one about police powers, notably restricting them to arrests only when there's a victim and sticking them with substantial penalties any time someone they arrest gets off free (including restitution for any days wasted sitting in jail before being found innocent, which constitutes punishment without a crime). Something similar for all officials, elected and non-, should go in as well; as an example of why, here in Oregon recently an official made a decision that cost the taxpayers over $100,000 to get implemented (traffic change), and then it was reversed by the department when locals were against it, and not only a vast majority of thembut also the people who had asked for something to be done in the first place! In any case of that sort, the official involved should not merely be sacked, but also required to pay back the entire amount, including any cost for rectifying the situation (e.g. tearing out the stupid engineering and putting things back).

    5. While I'm thinking on limiting the powers of government, no president should be allowed any detentions, etc. under conditions other than those required for citizens, EXCEPT (a) when in a state of declared war, and (2) with supervision by one of those Senate "select committees".

    6. Abolish the federal income tax (it was, technically, never ratified anyway) and bar the federal government from any direct taxation of citizens. Personally I'd let them have 1/5 of each state's revenues, plus an endowment from which the interest could be spent.

    7. Require all states with a state senate to use the pattern of the national senate, with one senator per county (parish, whatever), so that everyone gets a voice.

    8. Set a "sunset" of twenty years for all legislation, requiring that for an extension it must be passed with 10% more votes in favor than the previous time.

    9. Ban inheritance taxes, while permitting a law that would require up to 10% of any estate over 100,000 times the value of the minimum (or standard beginning) wage to be given to charity, and that no portion greater than that same amount be given to any one person.

    10. Do away with corporate 'personhood', and make the people running things actually responsible.

    I can think of a few more, but a list of ten (okay, there's more, if you break down my bill of rights material) seemed good.

    In fact, I think I'll use this to start a new thread....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Seriously...

    I think part of the answer is that we're stuck in this utterly tragic two-party oligarchy. If we throw out these morons, we get... another set of morons, brought to us by the people who brought us the last batch of morons.
    Brought to us by the people who brought us the last batch of morons.

    Now, that would be us, wouldn't it?

    If we ignore the whole process of selecting candidates, what do we expect?

    Are we at the precinct meetings? District and state conventions? Most of us don't even vote in the primaries.

    We can complain about money sullying politics and buying elections, but let's back up a minute.

    How, exactly, does money buy elections?

    By buying advertising.

    So, whoever buys the most advertising wins?

    Every American should bow their head in shame at such a thought.

    If we did not allow ourselves to be led around by the nose by TV ads, the extra money and extra ads would not do a thing.

    But instead we fall for every advertising gimmick and all the manipulatory psychology, instead of doing our homework, finding our who the candidates are, what they have done in the past and want to do in the future, what their stands are on various issues, etc.

    We get exactly the representation we deserve.

    We will get better, regardless of party, when we start doing our homework.

    We are not choosing a soap.

    -D

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    No, it wouldn't be us.
    The candidates aren't brought to us by us, and rarely if ever have been. They are brought to us by the people who provide the money for the power structures of the parties.
    Until we can vote "None Of The Above", the parties will continue bringing us trash, and we will wobble like drunken hikers from one side of their chosen trail to the other. Or until, as editor Zuckerman of U.S. News and World Report recently called for, we throw these parties out and start some new ones.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    House will go Democratic (I believe 24 or 25 seats) and Senate too, with Ford tipping Tenn. into Dem. control.

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    I never ever voted for the current mental case that occupies the White House. That fool thinks God (Why blame him for Bush's insanity) personally placed him in the White House. I can easily think of 2 or 3 mental illness that cover that. Also remember that Bush is a former alcohol and cocaine abuser. That brain damaged and mentally defective man is to remain our fearless leader for two more year. If there is a God up there we all need HELP right now. But as afraid of Bush as I am
    I hope he stays healthy because Dick (the shootist) Cheney would make Bush seem like a child playing in his sand box. John Wesley

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    Re: Question for our American friends :)

    All I get is "this video is no longer available"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    No, it wouldn't be us.
    The candidates aren't brought to us by us, and rarely if ever have been. They are brought to us by the people who provide the money for the power structures of the parties.
    Until we can vote "None Of The Above", the parties will continue bringing us trash, and we will wobble like drunken hikers from one side of their chosen trail to the other. Or until, as editor Zuckerman of U.S. News and World Report recently called for, we throw these parties out and start some new ones.
    Candidates are nominated and selected at district and state conventions for inclusion on the primary ballot, except in such cases as allow individuals to file candidacy directly.

    If power brokers have undue influence in that process, it is by default, because public participation is almost non-existant.

    How many Americans even know such conventions take place? How many have ever stuck around for a precinct meeting after voting?

    -D

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    Candidates are nominated and selected at district and state conventions for inclusion on the primary ballot, except in such cases as allow individuals to file candidacy directly.

    If power brokers have undue influence in that process, it is by default, because public participation is almost non-existant.

    How many Americans even know such conventions take place? How many have ever stuck around for a precinct meeting after voting?

    -D
    Boy, are you a naive idealist!

    Back when I toyed with being a Republican (because the Democrats were total snobs that wouldn't listen to anyone without a law degree), I went to a precinct meeting.
    You didn't get to talk unless you were already on the agenda. To get on the agenda, you had to apply to the agenda committee thirty days before. The agenda committee had to decide that your request was worth putting into the time available.
    Everyone who talked wore a three-piece suit that cost enough for me to have lived on for two months back then.
    Some friends tried their luck with the Democrats. We even tried different precincts.
    It always came to to this: the Democrats only let lawyers talk, and the Republicans only let rich people talk.


    Beyond that... there's an assumption in your argument that either of those two parties is worth participating in. The power brokers have settled on those as their official tools, and... well, even though Zuckerman at U S News and World Report has called for a third party, I don't think there will be one unless some billionairre decides to endow one, and then one with a viable philosophical foundation... which leaves the Libertarian or Constitution, as far as I can see -- the Green is far too narrow-issued, the Reform is too ad-hoc, the Pacific is too vague....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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