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    Country Music, Anal Sex, GOP Fund-raising and Dancing With the Stars

    Shocking!

    Simply shocking!

    From Wonkette ...

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    Because nothing is more important to Americans than the nexus of politics and “Dancing With the Stars,” we are pleased to report that Sara Evans — apparently a Nashville pop singer and champion dancer — has left the hit show because her husband is one of those sex creeps on CraigsList.

    Failed Republican congressional candidate and GOP fund-raiser Craig Schelske is also accused of abusing his wife and making his young children watch pornography. According to Evans’ complaint, there are more than a hundred pictures stored on the family computer of Schelske screwing myriad women as well as parading around his house naked and “aroused.” According to his CraigsList ads, Schelske is particularly interested in having anal sex with strangers and threesomes.

    A one-time “Republican BABE of the Week!” and national-anthem singer at various GOP conventions, Evans is apparently very popular with red-state voters. That she appeared to have a happy family was exploited by the party’s family values wing.

    And the way you have a happy marriage in the Christian world is to submit to yer husband:
    “It’s most important to keep marriage and family together. I am a child of divorce, and it’s devastating. I have a 12-year marriage. And the way I see it, the way to an amazing marriage is having sex … lots of sex. Sex keeps the marriage young. And a woman should maintain herself for her husband and stay attractive. I like to put the kids to bed, have a glass of wine on the patio or by the fireplace, and I ask Craig, ‘What do you need of me?’”
    That didn’t work out so well.

    What you’re probably thinking right now is, “How was Tom DeLay involved?”

    DeLay was campaigning for Evans!
    [He]e “is using his post-congressional clout to influence another election — the viewer voting on ABC’s ‘Dancing With the Stars 3,’” which features 11 celebrities and 11 actual dancers, and which had its season premiere earlier this week.

    DeLay recently “sent out a mass mailing asking his friends to vote for Sara Evans because she “represents good American values.”
    After Tucker Carlson’s heartbreaking ejection from the hit TV show, Evans was the GOP’s only chance to defeat all the Democrat dancers. DeLay was especially concerned about the buffoon Jerry Springer, who is apparently “ultra liberal.”

    Court documents state husband’s adultery, pornography reasons for Sara Evans divorce [The Tennessean]

    Evans Talks About Fashion, Music … and More [CMT]

    Country Music Star files for Divorce from GOP Sex-Fiend Hubby! [Daily Kos]

    Divorce Trips Up Sara Evans on ‘Dancing With the Stars’ [ABC News]

    READ MORE: assfucking, dancing with the stars, gop, porn, scandal, sex, tom delay, tucker carlson

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    Oh, the horror of it all!

    Yet another GOP scandal erupts!

    Will "Dancing With the Stars" be able to go on?
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    You know, if you listen really closely, the kick drum in the music they use is really just a digital sample of someone scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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    Awesome. Straight America is still having sex.
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    And to think the fine voters of Oregon denied him his rightful place in Congress.

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    Enough with the values crap....of course politics can consider culture and responsibility,but Republicans should quit this Republican conservative traditional values morality idiocy...they absolutely don't have the market cornered on the moral high ground...look at all those who push it,promote it vigorously and adamantly,but live otherwise with much less moral rectitude privately.Tying God to a party or ideology sets up for the fall....because sanctimony and hypocrisy never seem to go out of style.These people are clowns....Evans and her hubby are pathetic phonies,DeLay is a shameless political whore with no sense of what morality really means.He's a real embarassment,and thankfully he is no longer going to fuck Texas and the rest of the country as a member of Congress.
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    Who The Hell Is Sara Evans? She Might Be The Straw That Breaks The Elephants Back!

    I never even heard of the bitch til today but apparently Sara Evans is a country "superstar" and a big ol' republican loving twat. Her very conservative beliefs made her a Bush fav and she performed at the 2004 RNC convention. Her husband also ran for a House seat and was supported heavily by the national party and especially Tom Delay....well, guess what? Her "family values" husband is a big ol' freak who, according to ms. Evans herself, trolled for threesomes online, watched porn in front of their 3 children all under the age of 7 and paraded NAKED and ERECT in front of those same children.

    I don't even know what to say except that there is something seriously wrong with you Republicans. I'm guessing it's all that sexual repression that comes out in really freaky ways.

    See, if we had National Healthcare, we could put the entire Republican party into intensive therapy.

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    A vague statement initially said "recent events that shed light on the status of her marriage," caused Evans to file for divorce from her husband, Craig Schelske.
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    and oh...the freak-lovin' ms. evans was on Dancing With the Stars until all this broke...she'll be on tomorrow night to explain why she's leaving. Tom Delay is heartbroken!

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    Sara is a country-western singer, but in my view no superstar. I have only put her songs when played in the other room. Not my even close to favorite. And now that all this is going on I hope it makes her quit CW singing.

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    The title that you have entered is too long (86 characters).

    Wow... lol Her husband is a freak. She sings a song called "Suds in the bucket", after that one came out I stopped paying attention to her.


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    what the hell is a sud in a bucket??...that vid didn't explain it at all. all i can hear is blah, blah, blah...blah, blah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    what the hell is a sud in a bucket??...that vid didn't explain it at all. all i can hear is blah, blah, blah...blah, blah.

    It's "suds" in the bucket, as in soap.

    SARA EVANS LYRICS

    "Suds In The Bucket"

    She was in the backyard - they say it was a little past nine
    When her prince pulled up - a white pickup truck
    Her folks shoulda seen it comin' - it was only just a matter of time
    Plenty old enough - and you can't stop love
    She stuck a note on the screen door - "sorry but I got to go"
    That was all she wrote - her mama's heart was broke
    That was all she wrote - so the story goes

    [Chorus]
    Now her daddy's in the kitchen - starin' out the window
    Scratchin' and a rackin' his brains
    How could 18 years just up and walk away
    Our little pony-tailed girl grown up to be a woman
    Now she's gone in the blink of an eye
    She left the suds in the bucket
    And the clothes hangin' out on the line
    Now don't you wonder what the preacher's gonna preach about Sunday morn
    Nothin' quite like this has happened here before
    Well he must have been a looker - smooth talkin' son of a gun
    For such a grounded girl - to just up and run
    Course you can't fence time - and you can't stop love

    [2nd Chorus]
    Now all the biddy's in the beauty shop gossip goin' non-stop
    Sippin' on pink lemonade
    How could 18 years just up and walk away
    Our little pony-tailed girl grown up to be a woman
    Now she's gone in the blink of an eye
    She left the suds in the bucket
    And the clothes hangin' out on the line

    [Instrumental]

    [3rd Chorus]
    She's got her pretty little bare feet hangin' out the window
    And they're headin' up to Vegas tonight
    How could 18 years just up and walk away
    Our little pony-tailed girl grown up to be a woman
    Now she's gone in the blink of an eye
    She left the suds in the bucket
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    Re: Who The Hell Is Sara Evans? She Might Be The Straw That Breaks The Elephants Back

    Quote Originally Posted by latigolad78374 View Post
    Sara is a country-western singer, but in my view no superstar. I have only put her songs when played in the other room. Not my even close to favorite. And now that all this is going on I hope it makes her quit CW singing.

    I don't think she's really a superstar either. She's had some hits but I wouldn't classify her that high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy87 View Post
    It's "suds" in the bucket, as in soap.
    While we appreciate the occasional intrusion of actual fact into these threads... somehow, I don't think that this beginning of a thread was a search for enlightenment.

    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    I never even heard of the bitch til today...

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    Re: Who The Hell Is Sara Evans? She Might Be The Straw That Breaks The Elephants Back

    Ok, I guess we were supposed to talk about her husband. Well, he's a Republican, what can I say.

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    Re: Who The Hell Is Sara Evans?

    Jesus Tapdancing fucking christ. You people are extremely judgemental over NOTHING. She's getting a divorce, which is why she left Dancing With The Stars. She wants to be there for her family as she goes through it. I think she's a wonderful talent REGARDLESS of her part affiliation. Her HUSBANDS actions have NOTHING to do with HER and her "values". Good lord. Find out ALL of the CORRECT info before bashing someone you've never even heard of. PLEASE. It's just not fair.

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    There was no denying I had let him down
    But instead of being angry he put his arms around me
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    In the sunlight or the rain
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    I agree with ....MCsNo1Fn Jesus Tapdancing fucking christ.

    It is amazing that we can be so judgemental after the persecution that we endure by society because we are gay!! GUYS, think about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    Her "family values" husband is a big ol' freak who, according to ms. Evans herself, trolled for threesomes online.

    I don't even know what to say except that there is something seriously wrong with you Republicans. I'm guessing it's all that sexual repression that comes out in really freaky ways.
    Maybe he could ask Jeri Ryan's ex for a threesome. His midwestern Republican family values included dragging her to sex clubs in Paris.

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    yeah and guys, a lot of Dads feel comfortable being naked in front of their kids, especially smaller ones, and if he happened to have an erection so what? sounds like you are far more repressed sexually than he is. And people have threesomes all the time! including married couples. Who are you to judge? Again, you seem more repressed than he.

    The only point I will concede is the porn part. That is a bit much.

    Damn James, you really spew some hate. I mean, really, why did you even start this thread? It looks like it was just to make fun of a person You Didn't Even Know About before today, proceed to judge her husband's seemingly normal desire for a threesome and comfortableness with his sexualiy, and then use these as grounds for belittling all republicans. Look in the mirror my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jordyy View Post
    yeah and guys, a lot of Dads feel comfortable being naked in front of their kids, especially smaller ones, and if he happened to have an erection so what? sounds like you are far more repressed sexually than he is. And people have threesomes all the time! including married couples. Who are you to judge? Again, you seem more repressed than he.

    The only point I will concede is the porn part. That is a bit much.

    Damn James, you really spew some hate. I mean, really, why did you even start this thread? It looks like it was just to make fun of a person You Didn't Even Know About before today, proceed to judge her husband's seemingly normal desire for a threesome and comfortableness with his sexualiy, and then use these as grounds for belittling all republicans. Look in the mirror my friend.
    are u high or are u trying to be funny??...i can't tell. u think it's acceptable to watch porn in front of your own children who are under the age of 7 and parade your erection in front of them?

    as for the hate part...i do hate gay republicans. i think their support of the republican party is equal to a jew supporting the nazi party in the years leading up to WWII. as for the threesomes...i'm all for them. but family values types love telling me i'm wrong for liking them while they do the same thing...my whole point is that this is example #1,001 of the complete hypocrisy of the family values republican right.
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    porn, no. did u read what i wrote? i said the porn part is the only part i agree with you on; it isn't right. however, erections are normal. just because you ascribe to them a negative value doesn't mean they are bad.

    and wow. all i can say is wow. now republicans are nazis. why are you living in a nazi controlled country?!?!?!?! run! hurry! before the gas chambers are put in place!!!! seriously man, comparing yourself to a jew oppressed by nazis? you make me sick. The jews went through a whole fucking shitload more than you will ever go through in your life, so get the fuck off your high horse. so we can't get married yet. boohoo. change takes time. and we aren't waiting for a few politicians to accept us, we are waiting for a whole nation of people to accept us. the time will come. until then, by all means, judge everyone in the world. i'm sure it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jordyy View Post
    porn, no. did u read what i wrote? i said the porn part is the only part i agree with you on; it isn't right. however, erections are normal. just because you ascribe to them a negative value doesn't mean they are bad.

    and wow. all i can say is wow. now republicans are nazis. why are you living in a nazi controlled country?!?!?!?! run! hurry! before the gas chambers are put in place!!!! seriously man, comparing yourself to a jew oppressed by nazis? you make me sick. The jews went through a whole fucking shitload more than you will ever go through in your life, so get the fuck off your high horse. so we can't get married yet. boohoo. change takes time. and we aren't waiting for a few politicians to accept us, we are waiting for a whole nation of people to accept us. the time will come. until then, by all means, judge everyone in the world. i'm sure it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
    it's kinda pointless discussing anything with someone who thinks it's normal for a a man to walk around nude and erect around his kids...that tells me all i need to know about you.

    and did i say anything about gay marriage? however, supporting a party that thinks you're sick shows you are indeed sick. now go find a playground so u can show off your erection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jordyy View Post
    porn, no. did u read what i wrote? i said the porn part is the only part i agree with you on; it isn't right. however, erections are normal. just because you ascribe to them a negative value doesn't mean they are bad.

    and wow. all i can say is wow. now republicans are nazis. why are you living in a nazi controlled country?!?!?!?! run! hurry! before the gas chambers are put in place!!!! seriously man, comparing yourself to a jew oppressed by nazis? you make me sick. The jews went through a whole fucking shitload more than you will ever go through in your life, so get the fuck off your high horse. so we can't get married yet. boohoo. change takes time. and we aren't waiting for a few politicians to accept us, we are waiting for a whole nation of people to accept us. the time will come. until then, by all means, judge everyone in the world. i'm sure it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
    No need to be overly dramatic. He's stating his opinion and you spazzed out.

    Take a chill pill.

    Accept other peoples' opinions better, after all it isn't "nazi Germany". Not everyone has to, nor will they agree with you.

    James mentioning Nazis was to build a metaphorical bridge. You know to make a comparison between two events or things (also known as an analogy).
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    JAMES, hope you don't think my comments were directed personally at you - just overall in this thread.

    And um, I don't care who you are, it is NOT normal nor OK to walk around naked in front of your children - on purpose. That's just WEIRD. lol If my parents EEEEVER did that, I think I'd be 6 feet under!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCsNo1Fn View Post
    JAMES, hope you don't think my comments were directed personally at you - just overall in this thread.

    And um, I don't care who you are, it is NOT normal nor OK to walk around naked in front of your children - on purpose. That's just WEIRD. lol If my parents EEEEVER did that, I think I'd be 6 feet under!

    not at all...even if your comments were personal, i'd find it hard to hate a fellow 90's R&B lover, lol.
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    sigh. ok, all of the exclamation points were sarcasm. i know he was trying to use a metaphor, but it was a really bad hyperbolic one. so, if he can exaggerate and be dramatic, i reserve the right too...

    and, yes, i do think it is fine for a father to walk around naked in front of his children, erect or otherwise. it's not like he was being sexual toward them. he wasn't turned on by them, or trying to do anything to them. he was just in his natural state of being, which is only a negative, sexual activity because you ascribe that value to it.

    and i didn't spaz out lol. (ok maybe a bit) but i feel like every other post i read by James tends to be him hating others. i just think a forum for gay people should set an example by being open minded and accepting, so people should not hate others. yeah, maybe the Republicans are a little behind on the times, but not too long ago, the Dems were right there with them. Did James hate the whole country then? Like I said, it just takes some time, so in the mean time we should take the higher moral ground and be a little less hateful. As for the Evans'....agree to disagree....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCsNo1Fn View Post
    And um, I don't care who you are, it is NOT normal nor OK to walk around naked in front of your children - on purpose. That's just WEIRD. lol If my parents EEEEVER did that, I think I'd be 6 feet under!
    lol, maybe now. but when you are a little kid, there isn't anything sexual about it. maybe you don't remember now, but when you were little i can guarantee your parents would take a shower with you. they probably also were naked around the house, but i can't guarantee that like the shower. it is perfectly normal parental behavior.
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    Take Lostlovers' advice and chill. James asked who the bitch was and we told him. If you will watch tv you will see her at the Dancin with the stars interview about her divorce. She stands in the background swayin both ways so you can see both of her Republican family values. Her top is split from top to bottom showing both tits and practically the nipples. Now this is something she needs to be showing her children and for all the world to see. Some morals!!

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    I'm not going to attack you and I'm not even gonna get in on the argument about dads walking around their kids with erections cuz YIKES MAN. I mean I'm all for moral relativity, you know like stealing when you're starving, or taking drugs that only harm you not others, or listening to a Britney Spears album (god help you)....

    ---but I'm sorry, naked dads, erect naked dads....around their kids. Yowza.

    However, I will defend James' Nazis comment. First, I think it's CLEAR he meant it metaphorically or as a hyperbole or an analogy or what have you. But to be fair jordyy, one could easily make the case that a party that historically and currently supports (by and large - maybe not all their members but the party's general execution) racist discourse and defending current institutions of primacy and power that keep certain ethnic groups and poor people in ghettoized and subjugated - nay, suffocating - margins of society, and then either tries to prevent their access to health care or just plain smoke em out through a support for capital punishment - is ESSENTIALLY, dangerously close to a Nazis state.

    Sure it's not as overt, and a gas chamber is a more palpably evil image than say rotting in a jail cell because you're a bad, bad man (meaning you couldn't afford a good lawyer). But really, bigotry is bigotry. Of course Jews have suffered terribly but this country also has a history equally - if not worse - in terms of genoicide. I think millions of dispossessed slaves and a dwindling Native American population - neither of which have EVER been recompensed for the thievery they had to endure (yes you heard me THIEVERY. When you force labor and don't pay someone, or come unto property that's not yours and try to take it - that's not cute historicism, that's thievery. It's something Repubs should be able to agree on, seeing as they love property rights and all) - anyway, I think they'd beg to differ. Evil doesn't always have to be stroking a black cat or twirling a mustache to be recognized as evil. Disney villains are obvious targets but sometimes you know, they can be the pseudo villain in a Hiyao Miyazaki film, and the fact that they're not obvious actually makes them more insidious.

    The wolf may come to your house dressed as grandma but it's still the wolf, know what I mean Red?

    Oh unless of course grandma starts walking around Red Riding Hood naked, flapping her vag everywhere. Sorry, that's just nasty.

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    lol, maybe now. but when you are a little kid, there isn't anything sexual about it. maybe you don't remember now, but when you were little i can guarantee your parents would take a shower with you. they probably also were naked around the house, but i can't guarantee that like the shower. it is perfectly normal parental behavior.
    i'm sorry if i keep harping on this but just for the record, you're saying there's nothing wrong with parading an ERECTION in front of your children while you're also nude...wow. i must be living in a different dimension from you. anyway, congrats to the republicans...i think u won yourselves another vote from the boy lover brigade.
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    However, I will defend James' Nazis comment. First, I think it's CLEAR he meant it metaphorically or as a hyperbole or an analogy or what have you. But to be fair jordyy, one could easily make the case that a party that historically and currently supports (by and large - maybe not all their members but the party's general execution) racist discourse and defending current institutions of primacy and power that keep certain ethnic groups and poor people in ghettoized and subjugated - nay, suffocating - margins of society, and then either tries to prevent their access to health care or just plain smoke em out through a support for capital punishment - is ESSENTIALLY, dangerously close to a Nazis state.
    it's not as overt, and a gas chamber is a more palpably evil image than say rotting in a jail cell because you're a bad, bad man (meaning you couldn't afford a good lawyer). But really, bigotry is bigotry. Of course Jews have suffered terribly but this country also has a history equally - if not worse - in terms of genoicide. I think millions of dispossessed slaves and a dwindling Native American population - neither of which have EVER been recompensed for the thievery they had to endure (yes you heard me THIEVERY. When you force labor and don't pay someone, or come unto property that's not yours and try to take it - that's not cute historicism, that's thievery. It's something Repubs should be able to agree on, seeing as they love property rights and all) - anyway, I think they'd beg to differ.
    huh? i know you're going back historically and whatnot, but...huh? how many dispossessed slaves are you currently acquainted with? forgetting that, how many politicians of any party are in support of slavery or ghettoizing people? how may gays have recently been "smoked out" through capital punishment? i just don't understand the relevance of your arguments. And, going aong with them - how may years did it take for Americans to realize slavery was wrong? or that women were equal citizens? HUNDREDS of years. And in both cases, it started snowballing very quickly in the later years until both groups were finally recognized. i'm just saying, the snowballing has begun for gays. more and more people are beginning to see that gays are not sick or depraved, that we are just like them. So, again, i will say: Change takes time.
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    i'm sorry if i keep harping on this but just for the record, you're saying there's nothing wrong with parading an ERECTION in front of your children while you're also nude...wow. i must be living in a different dimension from you. anyway, congrats to the republicans...i think u won yourselves another vote from the boy lover brigade.
    An exerpt from parenting.ivillage.com

    Q: My four-year-old son bathes with either me or his father. He is often in the same room with us while we are getting dressed. At what age might parental nudity be considered inappropriate?

    A: Your naturally occurring nudity is not a problem -- as long as you, your husband and child are comfortable with it. In fact, it may easily convey an attitude that reduces shame and increases comfort in your son's perception of his own body. A healthy relationship to our bodies begins with liking ourselves and acquiring knowledge about how our bodies work. A natural acceptance, conveyed to our children, can promote their own positive self-image and contributes to self-esteem and the development of healthy adult sexuality.

    The time for modesty evolves with the needs and comfort levels of all family members. Certainly, by puberty, and usually pre-puberty, a child's desire for privacy grows. They may even comment on being uncomfortable with nudity in the parent of the opposite sex.

    Sometimes, parents begin to feel uncomfortable with nudity as their opposite sex child grows older. Individuals within families must be accommodated with respect to each other‚s privacy needs as these feelings emerge. But certainly discussions about these issues are wonderful opportunities to develop your own beliefs and philosophy about nudity and how you decide to address it in your family.

    Talk with your partner about the beliefs and attitudes prevalent in your childhood families around nudity. Explore how your respective parents handled this issue and the effects of this on your own development. Talk with other parents to explore their attitudes and beliefs. You might also read the information available at ParentsPlace.com about sex education for young children. Then, continue to develop your own approach to nudity in your family. You are already doing a great job, but your questions indicate that it is time to further develop a shared philosophy for child rearing with your partner.

    From reading your letter, all family members appear comfortable with the nudity involved in bathing together and dressing. No inappropriate sexual boundaries are being crossed, and body education is evolving naturally.
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    So get up off. and for the record, I think the republicans are wrong on many, if not most topics. i just don't hate them for it. they have different ideas from me and that is allowed. i also think the democrats are wrong on many things. that is why i am an independent; i don't vote for a party, i vote for a candidate.
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    JESUS! of course you occassionally see your parents nude...but erect!!! get off it and just admit u advocate for nambla! and your'e defending sara evans' husband who not only lounged around naked, but watched porn in front of his kids...??? the point with him is that he obiously got off on doing that...stop acting like you don't know what he's about.
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    JESUS! of course you occassionally see your parents nude...but erect!!! get off it and just admit u advocate for nambla! and your'e defending sara evans' husband who not only lounged around naked, but watched porn in front of his kids...??? the point with him is that he obiously got off on doing that...stop acting like you don't know what he's about.
    the thing that bothers me is the way you make your statements. you make him out to be a pedophile, when really these incidents were seperate. he wasn't watching porn, naked and aroused, with his kids. he was watching porn in the house, where the kids live. he wasn't watching it WITH the kids. He wasn't naked at that point, either. should he be watching porn when kids might come in and see? no, but it does't make him a pedophile.

    separate from that, he walked around the house naked, and happened to have an erection. kids under seven don't know what an erection is, so they don't know it is sexual, and his erection most likely had nothing to do with the kids.

    I'm NOT saying it's impossible that his intentions were bad, but you automatically assume they were. that is a big accusation to make, is all. once you make it, you can't take it back.
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    get off it and just admit u advocate for nambla!
    i won't even say how angry that statement makes me, james. but it is such a great example of the hate you spread. you are a hurtful person, and it is people like you, who throw out unfounded hate and lies, that make this country look bad. i will vote for an anti-gay republican any day over a lying, condescending, asshole like you who knows nothing but judgement of others. up until now i regarded you as someone to carry a discourse with. now i see that you're just the ignorant ass you claim others to be. fuck off. goodnight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    as for the hate part...i do hate gay republicans. i think their support of the republican party is equal to a jew supporting the nazi party in the years leading up to WWII. as for the threesomes...i'm all for them. but family values types love telling me i'm wrong for liking them while they do the same thing...my whole point is that this is example #1,001 of the complete hypocrisy of the family values republican right.
    Before you start comparing Republicans with nazis (yawn), please tell me one thing the Democrats have ever done for gay people. I mean the national party, not state by state. You can start with Bill Clinton if you'd like.

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    yeah and guys, a lot of Dads feel comfortable being naked in front of their kids, especially smaller ones, and if he happened to have an erection so what?
    I don't know a single Dad who would feel comfortable naked in front of their kids, big or little.

    My daughter lived with me, year round, from six months to 19 years, and is here again right now (24). She has never seen me naked.
    Not that it was any bother, there was just no reason for it. It is possible she may have seen a tented blanket as I slept.

    There is a small minority of moms and dads who are naturists. They are typically quite open and forthright about their memberships in and use of naturist facilities.

    Whatever you or I may think about it, neither that nor "swinging" nor "threesomes" are at all acceptable in a "born again" world.

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    I'd comment but I fear I'd be anally raped by the erect.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordyy View Post
    An exerpt from parenting.ivillage.com

    Q: My four-year-old son bathes with either me or his father. He is often in the same room with us while we are getting dressed. At what age might parental nudity be considered inappropriate?

    A: Your naturally occurring nudity is not a problem -- as long as you, your husband and child are comfortable with it. In fact, it may easily convey an attitude that reduces shame and increases comfort in your son's perception of his own body. A healthy relationship to our bodies begins with liking ourselves and acquiring knowledge about how our bodies work. A natural acceptance, conveyed to our children, can promote their own positive self-image and contributes to self-esteem and the development of healthy adult sexuality.
    Using the internet for parenting is sad. If you need the internet to parent... well that isn't good.

    To whoever asked the question about his or her's 4 year old son...

    Your son is FOUR YEARS OLD. Does he have an opinion on anything besides Peanut Butter and Jelly? It's up to YOU as a parent to make moral decisions NOT HIM.

    Age FOUR is NOT the age to acquire knowledge about how the body works. He should be learning the ABC's not how the body of a grown man should look.



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    i won't even say how angry that statement makes me, james. but it is such a great example of the hate you spread. you are a hurtful person, and it is people like you, who throw out unfounded hate and lies, that make this country look bad. i will vote for an anti-gay republican any day over a lying, condescending, asshole like you who knows nothing but judgement of others. up until now i regarded you as someone to carry a discourse with. now i see that you're just the ignorant ass you claim others to be. fuck off. goodnight.
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    However, I will defend James' Nazis comment. First, I think it's CLEAR he meant it metaphorically or as a hyperbole or an analogy or what have you. But to be fair jordyy, one could easily make the case that a party that historically and currently supports (by and large - maybe not all their members but the party's general execution) racist discourse and defending current institutions of primacy and power that keep certain ethnic groups and poor people in ghettoized and subjugated - nay, suffocating - margins of society, and then either tries to prevent their access to health care or just plain smoke em out through a support for capital punishment - is ESSENTIALLY, dangerously close to a Nazis state.
    Do we really have to bring the Nazis into every political/social argument? I think constantly comparing your opponents to Nazis trivializes the horror that the REAL Nazis did.

    Nik2, although I am not a Republican, I have to disagree with some of your statements. It is true that since the 1970's elements of the Republican Party, particularly in the South, have used racial fears to win elections. But it is inaccurate for you to state that the Republicans have "historically and currently supports....racist discourse". For more than 100 years, the Republican Party was the party that supported civil rights and equality for African-Americans. The Democrats were the party of segregation, Jim Crow laws, lynching, and the KKK. That is a historical fact. The white electorate of the South voted almost 100% Democratic for those very reasons. The landmark Civil Rights Act of 1965 passed because of Republican support in Congress, over the objections of most southern Democrats. It is only a recent historical trend that Democrats are identified as the party that supports minority rights.

    As far as defending current institutions that keep the poor and minorities marginalized, I think the Democrats are more guilty of that then Republicans. The Democrats (by and large) resist any attempt to reform public education because they kow tow to the teachers union. Public schools in most minority areas are a disaster and any attempt to introduce school choice, competition, or rewarding of outstanding teachers is squashed by the teacher's union supported by the Democratic Party. The miserable state of public education, cultural attitudes toward education, and the huge numbers of young unwed mothers raising a generation of kids with no fathers for role models are the biggest reasons that keep poor and minorities "oppressed"

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    Do we really have to bring the Nazis into every political/social argument?
    Do we really have to have someone asking if we have to bring the Nazis up every time there's a political/social argumet

    I think constantly comparing your opponents to Nazis trivializes the horror that the REAL Nazis did.
    Guess what, sweety pie... there was a time when Germany looked just like we do right now... say about circa the early 1930's... the horrors basically happened because of people like you trying to lull people into complacency thinking... "Nah... it can't happen here..."

    NOTE to EVERYONE: The next time you're tempted to ask someone if they *really* have to 'bring the Nazis into [this]'... READ YOUR HISTORY. NAZI GERMANY DID NOT HAPPEN OVER NIGHT.
    IT TOOK PLACE OVER YEARS, with civil liberties gradually being diminished, and one group of 'undesirables' after another being scapegoated and targeted, often through measures like the 'Revised Tribunals' bill signed by Bush today... and like w/Bush, Hitler used the Reichstag fires (1933) to justify his increasingly authoritarian measures, just as Bush invokes 9/11, as if it was he who died in it, not New Yorkers, who three years later, subsequently proceeded to vote overwhelmingly *AGAINST HIM*.
    Now then... want to call me a hysteric? Go ahead... I'd much rather be a 'hysteric' than repeat the mistakes Pastor Martin Niemöller made, and them lament them in absolute hindsight.[/COLOR]


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    Quote Originally Posted by TongueTied View Post
    Do we really have to bring the Nazis into every political/social argument?
    Missed the typo before I pressed post, and now too late to edit [JUB certainly gives you loads of time to go back w/that, don't they...?]. Here's the revised version.

    Do we really have to have someone asking if we have to bring the Nazis up every time there's a political/social argument* that* makes a comparison to a group that actually existed as a legitimate political party in a country before the mere name became an epithet whose mere mention triggers accusations of being histrionic and sacrificing your own credibility? At least, that's what it does, if some of those Godwin's Law freaks happen to be in the neighborhood...

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    ^^you can't possibly blame the democrats for some of those attitudes you list...plus, why is it that conservatives never mention that LBJ's great society programs cut poverty in half? how can you people keep ignoring that fact??? oh, cause god forbid, you have to pay taxes...and your type certainly doesn't seem to mind all the programs directed at the middle classes...just the poor. shameful hypocrites, the lot of you.

    and you're right about the history of the democratic party...but at least the dems atoned for it. LBJ knew passing the voting rights act would "lose the democrats the south for a generation" yet he forced it thru...and he was a good ol' boy from texas. the republicans who actually helped him pass it decided to adopt the racist southern strategy of the old democratic party just a few years later and are still beneifting from the region's latent racism...way to be proud of your party homo-republicans!

    nik, lost thanks for trying but you can't use logic on the illogical.

    but maybe i shouldn't use the nazi's so much as a metaphor...the KKK will also do.
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    but maybe i shouldn't use the nazi's so much as a metaphor...the KKK will also do.

    It's certainly just as original and as typical for you.

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    It's certainly just as original and as typical for you.
    well thanks...but that means absolutely nothing coming from you.
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    James I appreciate your comments, and share your passion on these subjects. It saddens me to see jubbers (especially young ones) who aapparently really don't understand waht the republicans are doing to this country by diminishing civil liberties, and shoving religion into legislation.

    Most of America has completely forgot about seperation of church and state.

    The Nazi comment seemed to spark a great deal of interest.
    Consider this, the Nazis purported that there was a
    superior race (caucasian-um has anyone noticed KKK member Ralph Reed's prominence in the repub party?,
    a superior religion (the repubs think it is ok for you to not be a christian as long as you follow their interpretation of christian doctorine),
    and advocated the limitation of civil liberties and rghts and violence against those who did not fit into the mold ( HUGE increase in Hate Crimes during the bush years, not ot mention an invasion of a muslim nation with no connection to 9/11)

    Well I could go on all night-but I am glad there is at least one other person who realizes that this country is going to hell. I will concede that most of the Dems aren't much better-but any progress away from the horrors inflicted by the bush is a good thing.
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    It's certainly just as original and as typical for you.

    Haha...
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    ^^you can't possibly blame the democrats for some of those attitudes you list...plus, why is it that conservatives never mention that LBJ's great society programs cut poverty in half?
    I don't dispute that Johnson deserves a lot of credit for passing the Civil Rights Act of 1965. He showed a lot of courage in doing that, knowing that he would lose a lot of support in the south. I also think he should be commended for trying to decrease poverty in this country. Johnson did more for the poor and minorities in this country than just about any other president before or since. The point I am trying to make is that policies that were adopted over 40 or 50 years ago to combat particular problems are not necessarily the right policies today. The country has changed tremendously in that time. I do blame the Democrats for their resistance to reform and their unwillingness to try new ideas to combat social problems. The Democrats have become the true "conservative" party in this country by constantly defending the status quo on issue after issue when the status quo is not working.

    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    way to be proud of your party homo-republicans!
    As I clearly stated in my post, I am not a Republican. The current Republican Party has little to be proud of. Both major parties have their own problems. I don't think either party is fit to lead this country.

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    NOTE to EVERYONE: The next time you're tempted to ask someone if they *really* have to 'bring the Nazis into [this]'... READ YOUR HISTORY. NAZI GERMANY DID NOT HAPPEN OVER NIGHT.

    IT TOOK PLACE OVER YEARS, with civil liberties gradually being diminished, and one group of 'undesirables' after another being scapegoated and targeted, often through measures like the 'Revised Tribunals' bill signed by Bush today... and like w/Bush, Hitler used the Reichstag fires (1933) to justify his increasingly authoritarian measures, just as Bush invokes 9/11, as if it was he who died in it, not New Yorkers, who three years later, subsequently proceeded to vote overwhelmingly *AGAINST HIM*.

    Now then... want to call me a hysteric? Go ahead... I'd much rather be a 'hysteric' than repeat the mistakes Pastor Martin Niemöller made, and them lament them in absolute hindsight.

    Why is it that people automatically assume that if you criticize the Democratic Party then you must support Bush and his policies? I think Bush has been a disaster for this country on so many levels. I think he personally is unfit to be president. I believe the people he has appointed have dangerous agendas. His administration is incompetent. Many (most?) of his policies are wrong. He has also accumulated an unwarranted amount of power in the office of the presidency. He is a danger to our republic. Can I be any more clear?

    By the way, the size of your typeface does nothing to enhance your argument.

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    you know what it is...it just gets tiresome to hear that both parties suck when sometimes for the good of the country you hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. that may not be what libertarian types wanna hear, but that's what grown ups sometimes have to do...when we have one party rule, it's obviously a complete disaster so why not vote democratic so there's some checks and balances on the fascists running all three branches of our government??
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