Grammar Lesson

[JDsmagik]

Since so many of you are "pissed-off" by grammar corrections, I thought I'd let you know that there are hundreds of members on this site who are just as annoyed at these repeated mistakes.

Typos are one thing, but just not giving a shit is another.

Your DOES NOT mean you are, that's "you're"

There is not a catch-all for

Their (possesive) or They are, which is "they're"

This is elementary school stuff and not rocket science.

p.s. This is NOT directed at the members who use English as a second, third, etc. language. Although, at some point, they should learn these differences. Maybe this thread will help them.

It most likely won't do a damn thing to those who need to learn it the most. You'll just bitch and moan like always.

Have a nice day.

[MattieMich]

Since so many of you are "pissed-off" by grammar corrections, I thought I'd let you know that there are hundreds of members on this site who are just as annoyed at these repeated mistakes.

Typos are one thing, but just not giving a shit is another.

Your DOES NOT mean you are, that's "you're"

There is not a catch-all for

Their (possesive) or They are, which is "they're"

This is elementary school stuff and not rocket science.

p.s. This is NOT directed at the members who use English as a second, third, etc. language. Although, at some point, they should learn these differences. Maybe this thread will help them.

It most likely won't do a damn thing to those who need to learn it the most. You'll just bitch and moan like always.

Have a nice day.

I agree, the details are important and it's not rocket science.

[bluedragon4]

Your life must be pretty boring. Who cares.Some people type fast.My gripe is people who bitch about small things like it was the end of the world.

[ahotjock71]

In before lock!

(One of these days I'm going to say that & a mod is actually
going to lock the thread. )

[looseliam]

just for that i am going ee cummings i will use no more punctuation or capital letters

[JDsmagik]

Two pissed-off responses. Typical.

The most common reply is to point-out some of my mistakes in hopes that it will bother me. It doesn't. I welcome your corrections and try to become better from them.

I don't take corrections as a personal assault.

No, it doesn't really matter how anyone types on a forum, but it does show a little piece of their personality if they say they don't care.

I would not want such people working for me.

[looseliam]

i hope you dont take mine as a pissed off response

[BenF]

Some people are just thick - don't try to tell them any different, you're just wasting your breath.

[MattieMich]

Two pissed-off responses. Typical.

The most common reply is to point-out some of my mistakes in hopes that it will bother me. It doesn't. I welcome your corrections and try to become better from them.

I don't take corrections as a personal assault.

No, it doesn't really matter how anyone types on a forum, but it does show a little piece of their personality if they say they don't care.

I would not want such people working for me.

I only see one pissed-off response. The rest are light and playful.

[spooger]

*clip*
It most likely won't do a damn thing to those who need to learn it the most. You'll just bitch and moan like always.

Have a nice day.

Proper GRAMMAR demands agreement of person here. One shouldn't use 3rd person in the antecedent and follow with 2nd person in the voice.

Just thought you should know.....'ya no?.....

Have a nice day.....

[pacz]

I'm glad that you recognized that many members second language is English.

[JDsmagik]

Sorry, my bad, you're right, there's only one pissed-off response (so far)

[JDsmagik]

I'm glad that you recognized that many members second language is English.

Of course I do. It probably helps that I correspond with a man in Russia who uses translator software.

Even in writing, it's quite easy for a native English speaker to distinguish between a non-native tongue and someone who just doesn't give a crap.

[Adidasluvr]

If we get the thread moved to the fetish forum we could get some pissed on responses

[looseliam]

fly like a butterfly and sting like when i pee

sorry, ill leave now

[JDsmagik]

Proper GRAMMAR demands agreement of person here. One shouldn't use 3rd person in the antecedent and follow with 2nd person in the voice.

Just thought you should know.....'ya no?.....

Have a nice day.....

Very good! Yes, it should've been they'll instead of you'll

[andyspete]

Since so many of you are "pissed-off" by grammar corrections, I thought I'd let you know that there are hundreds of members on this site who are just as annoyed at these repeated mistakes.

Typos are one thing, but just not giving a shit is another.

Your DOES NOT mean you are, that's "you're"

There is not a catch-all for

Their (possesive) or They are, which is "they're"

This is elementary school stuff and not rocket science.

p.s. This is NOT directed at the members who use English as a second, third, etc. language. Although, at some point, they should learn these differences. Maybe this thread will help them.

It most likely won't do a damn thing to those who need to learn it the most. You'll just bitch and moan like always.

Have a nice day.

I hate to bitch here but I have to correct you. You used a run-on sentence in your diatribe about grammar. You wrote, "Your DOES NOT mean you are", and followed that comment with a comma and then another sentence. The comma is where the problem is. That should be a period. I appreciate correct grammar too.

[MattieMich]

Of course I do. It probably helps that I correspond with a man in Russia who uses translator software.

Even in writing, it's quite easy for a native English speaker to distinguish between a non-native tongue and someone who just doesn't give a crap.

JD, just wanted to let you know I saw that! Even though you changed it, I saw it. As you ran to change it your towel flew up and I saw it all.

[JDsmagik]

JD, just wanted to let you know I saw that! Even though you changed it, I saw it. As you ran to change it your towel flew up and I saw it all.

I like you. You're funny.

[JDsmagik]

I hate to bitch here but I have to correct you. You used a run-on sentence in your diatribe about grammar. You wrote, "Your DOES NOT mean you are", and followed that comment with a comma and then another sentence. The comma is where the problem is. That should be a period. I appreciate correct grammar too.

Interesting. I wouldn't have caught that. I'll make a note of it. Thanks for the lesson.

[MattieMich]

And, for the record, I shed commas like a collie sheds hair. I don't care. It's a forum and not a college essay. I know my grammar is not the best and I'll often use your in place of you're, it's not because I don't know the difference it's because I was just typing in a hurry. I think that is often the case when people use it incorrectly. I'm not asking for a job, I'm not applying for a position with a newspaper and I'm not entering a contest. Sometimes I'll actually type what I want to say in Microsoft Word and do a spelling and grammar check, but not always.

I wish I had a British sensibility about the use of the English language and grammar but I don't.

[herenthere]

Cant we al jist get along

[JDsmagik]

My point exactly. Only the people who already know these things will even bother to look at them.

I never said I, or anyone, had to be perfect. It isn't about that, it's about making an effort.

Sometimes, always for many, you just want to type and not think about the rules. I just like to remind myself, and others, that it does not go unnoticed.

[Adidasluvr]

Sometimes, always for many, you just want to type and not think about the rules.

For me its not even about the rules. Its about readability. I sometimes struggle (and then give up on) reading some posts. But I also know some of my posts can be difficult to read because I've changed direction with my thoughts mid sentence and failed to notice (usually I catch myself).

Thats why I also tend to do shorter posts. I can always expand on my ideas if someone wants to know, but writing an essay instead of post means that most people dont even bother to read more than a sentence or two.

(And I'm terrible about run on sentences with too many commas and not enough full stops. PS can I stick an apostrophe in their just to compfuse things?)

[herenthere]

My point exactly. Only the people who already know these things will even bother to look at them.

I never said I, or anyone, had to be perfect. It isn't about that, it's about making an effort.

Sometimes, always for many, you just want to type and not think about the rules. I just like to remind myself, and others, that it does not go unnoticed.

I see your point.

When i first read your posting I thought you were being a little critical and maybe a little "bitchy".

As I watched your posts I realized all you wanted, was for us to have a little more respect for the English language.

I agree..
Thanks for the wake up

[Paladin]

I completely agree with JDsmagik. The problem is more and more prevalent. The rise of texting and the internet has lowered expectations and no-one seems to care much about it. I see it in business emails too. So many people just rely on spellcheckers as though that is going do their thinking for them.

[treanir]

I've said this before and I'll say it again: I don't mind spelling mistakes and grammatical mistakes, as long as I can still understand the text. I have to admit that mistakes like they're/there/their and it's/its stick out for me, but I don't skip a post simply because it isn't perfect. My posts aren't either.


It's not about perfection, it's about communication.

[Eagle653]

I agree completely, JDsmagik.

I also agree with adidas4boyspunk in that it frequently amounts to what I choose to read and even try to understand. If it's full of grammatical, spelling, or punctuation errors, I just don't bother trying to sort it all out.

I also think many others, consciously or unconsciously, form opinions about the validity of someone's comments based on how well they're expressed (with the exception of those for whom English is a second language). So, yeah, I think taking the time to express yourself clearly is worth it.

[Goula]

fly like a butterfly and sting like when i pee

sorry, ill leave now

If it stings when you pee, you might want to visit your local health clinic.

[unclaimedblessing]

When you meet someone, you naturally form conclusions about them based on their grooming, clothing, manners, use of speech etc.
On the net, all we usually see are their writing abilities.

[Cloak]

"It most likely won't do a damn thing to those who need it the most."

Actually, it's:

"Most likely, it won't do a damn thing for [not to] those who need it the most."

"Pissed off" is not hyphenated.

"Point out" is no hyphenated.

"Sorry, my bad, you're right, there's only one pissed-off response (so far)"

Sorry. My bad. You're right. So far, there's only one "pissed off" response.

Or:

You're right, and I'm sorry. It was my bad. Thus far, there has been only one "pissed off" response.

"I never said I, or anyone, had to perfect."

I never said that I (nor anyone) had to be perfect.

"Sometimes, always for many, you just want to type and not think about the rules. I just like to remind myself, and others, that it does not go unnoticed."

Sometimes people just want to type and not have to think about the rules; however, it's important to remind myself, as well as others, that such things do not go unnoticed.

My intention is to be neither rude nor impertinent; however, you should proofread your own writing and make the necessary corrections before criticizing others who come to this board to write. No one is perfect. We cannot all be Strunk & White, can we?

People write in a plethora of ways; some use proper grammar, others do not; and there are those who understand such constructs but choose to create their own style of prose. Take a look at the works of Ernest Hemingway, Toni Morrison, e.e. cummings, and Cormac McCarthy. They are all wonderful writers who possess their own styles. I do not think less of one because he (McCarthy) holds the ";" in disdain; nor, too, do I think less of Ms. Morrison when she injects her works with free thought (no punctuation, rambling sentences, etc).

Would the world be a better and more discerning place if people took the time to learn some essential rules? Absolutely. Is there a nicer way of informing others of this? Yes, I believe there is.

[Rand]

Some people are just thick - don't try to tell them any different, you're just wasting your breath.

or, in this case, their key-strokes

[Andreus]

oddly enough, i can say that i have seen another side of this issue

up till now, i have always stubbornly said that grammar and spelling nazis dont consider the english as a second language people... that its too hard to keep up with the spelling rules.i have a hard time with remembering the rules of capitalization and spelling exceptions in english.. and honestly...?

i have started using the spell checker

heres the reason that i never considered until recently

my brother knows little english and cannot read it at all. he doesnt know the alphabet yet.

he uses a translator program to read JUb

the program has a hard time with bad grammar and bad spelling

Guess who he constantly asks for help when the program spits out gibberish back at him if the grammar and spelling is off?

yup, that would be me

I never considered that better english actually helps the folks who know english the least amongst us

live and learn, I guess

[JDsmagik]

I am not critcizing. The title of the thread is Grammar Lesson.

It's specifically about five words:

Your
You're
There
Their
They're

It's not intended to be about being perfect or better than someone else.

It's about drawing attention to something that I see repeated over and over on these boards.

Some members have said that they are aware of it, but that they sometimes forget.

This discussion will shed some light on the subject of all sorts of grammatical errors, I'm sure.

I know that I can come across as critical, bitchy, and rude at times. It's usually just the way I start a thread like this. Hopefully, by taking everyone's input into account, I don't end it that way.

No one has to be nice all the time. No one has to even care. I would hope that most would try and keep an open mind, though.

I see these forums as a place to speak, as well as listen. I've found through the years that the listening part is the most important.

I read every one of your posts in a thread that I start and I think about what you've said. I don't just brush it aside.

That's the most enjoyable thing I get out of JUB, other people's opinions and points of view.

(Plus the porn )

[jordyy]

ugh MSN messenger and texting have turned me into the laziest typer ever! i now type without capitalization and without apostrophes...(and i use elipses a lot now.....see?). it doesnt help that if i do type like this in Word, it will fix everything for me. but, for the record, i do pay attention to you're/your, its/it's, their/there, they're. i guess i just feel like what i do doesnt necessarily mess with the flow of what i am saying, whereas word choice does. or does it? you tell me, lol.

[JDsmagik]

That's a good point. Yes, I do think that instant messaging/text messaging/chat rooms/word processors have led to a decline.

Just as calculators and computer programs like Excel have contributed to a decline in math skills.

Your point about word choice being more important than missing punctuation or spelling mistakes is exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread.

Thanks.

[Nightmare]

I'll remember to raise my hand before answering a thread.

[crlcxll]

JD,

I am happy to see that you have posted this thread. I am always amazed at how many grammatical errors are found in speaking and writing English, especially when it is one's first tongue.

English grammar is not taught very well in American schools anymore, and that is really a shame. Using short hand responses in IM's does not help the situation either. I have an extraordinarily educated colleague (Cambridge University) who sends me electronic messsages that read as follows: "RU going 2 the meeting 2day?" It is simply not acceptable. I always have to correct the grammar and punctuation in his research papers which he submits for journal publications. What a shame!

I read an article which reported that high school seniors in Buffalo, New York, did not know their multiplication tables. When asked why, one the students responded by saying that it is not necessary since he always uses a calculator.

It is a known fact that education in America is among the worst in the world. There is certainly no reason whatsoever for that to be the case.

[Weeman]

So what ? We are into evolved. We are start changing into like this LOL ROFL R U OMG

Internet People do undestand now. Very common.

People who can't stand with bad gammar are control freak. People should accept it what they are writing and learn to listen and read. Leave them ALONE !!!

Real world People and Internet People are really bit differents

[looseliam]

I can't speak for anyone, but I read so much in a given day, that I become accustomed to proper written English.

For most it wouldn't be a problem. However, my mild OCD tends to fixate on the errors, making it difficult to continue.

I would neither think less of, nor hold it against someone who didn't have perfect grammar.

[crlcxll]

Weeman, your post is a perfect example of the fact that people can't write. I notice that you live in Australia in which English is the first language; however, your first language may not be English. I am guessing that your first language is not English by the way in which you wrote. If that be the case, then I apologise; otherwise, I suggest that you take a remedial course in writing. I trust that you do not speak the way you write if English is your first language.

Not caring about the way one speaks and writes is a real shame. The internet is only one way of communicating. People still have to communicate face to face in daily life.

[billysam]

lol, brb, btw, wtf, etc. what the hell is that all about? the internet has changed how we type. who really cares. jesus christ, you are on a porn site. who gives a fuck. or is fcuk the proper way to spell it on jub? why can't everyone enjoy this site for what it is? a bunch of bithcy gays.

[Nonimus]

Oh, Again with the Grammar!

[Adidasluvr]

Oh, Again with the Grammar!

a‧gain
–adverb
1.once more; another time; anew; in addition: Will you spell your name again, please?
2.in an additional case or instance; moreover; besides; furthermore.
3.on the other hand: It might happen, and again it might not.
4.back; in return; in reply: to answer again.
5.to the same place or person: to return again.
—Idioms
6.again and again, with frequent repetition; often: They went over the same arguments again and again.
(from dictionary.com)

1. anew? I hardly think so - same old same old.
2. in addition? No new arguments here - same old same old.
3. On the other hand? Nope, still nothing new - same old same old.
4. In reply? Nope - same old same old.
5. To the same place? Might qualify under this, but really - same old same old.
6. with frequent repetition! Yes! Yes! Yes! Same old same old.

[Dobson73]

Your life must be pretty boring. Who cares.Some people type fast.My gripe is people who bitch about small things like it was the end of the world.

"like it". You mean, "as if", don't you?

[Dobson73]

People who can't stand with bad gammar are control freak. People should accept it what they are writing and learn to listen and read. Leave them ALONE !!!

No, we're not, Weeman, we care about English and we care about where it is being dragged. Why should we accept sub-standard grammer, spelling and punctuation because our Teachers are too lazy to teach correct English?

If you were to ever apply for a job with my company, your CV would be in the bin should you present with English such as this.

[Andreus]

dobson

i'm sure he knows the difference between a job aplication and an internet porn site board

there are gray areas here folks....

[Dobson73]

dobson

i'm sure he knows the difference between a job aplication and an internet porn site board

there are gray areas here folks....

I hope so, but having seen applications cross my desk in the past with this level of grammar and English, I have doubts.

[CTF]

And, for the record, I shed commas like a collie sheds hair. I don't care. It's a forum and not a college essay. I know my grammar is not the best and I'll often use your in place of you're, it's not because I don't know the difference it's because I was just typing in a hurry. I think that is often the case when people use it incorrectly. I'm not asking for a job, I'm not applying for a position with a newspaper and I'm not entering a contest. Sometimes I'll actually type what I want to say in Microsoft Word and do a spelling and grammar check, but not always.\

Hey Mattie!

My teacher in college English told me "leave your comma shaker at home." He said I use commas the way some people use table salt, "all over the place."

LOL



Thanks JDsmagik. I appreciate grammatical tips, it helps me to improve my writing skills. (Or lack thereof )

I try to pay attention to there, their, and they're. I also try to pay attention to, too, and two.

But, if anyone actually reads any of my posts, one can tell that I sometimes think faster than I type. This is the reason that you'll find verbs and adverbs missing.

So, it's not that I don't care. I just don't always take the time to "proof" short responses to some of my posts. The other posts, I try to makes sure that I'm getting my point across, and that the words or correct. I'm not always successful in that department either.

I wish I had a British sensibility about the use of the English language and grammar but I don't.

The last time I check most of our "mates" across the pond say that us Yanks don't utilize the English Language at all. So I guess we're actually speaking a derivative of Spanish and English; Spanglish.

By the way. Have you ever noticed when you buy something in North America that requires assembly, that the instructions are provided in English, French, and Spanish?

That's because those are the three most dominant languages spoken in North America.

[Northernguy]

For the people saying that "txt spk" is destroying the english language and that people can't differentiate the two, you may like to read this (a study that showed school children who frequently used text slang perform better than average in spelling and literacy tests).

I think I write in a fairly legible way most of the time and my grammar isn't too bad. But that doesn't stop me from using txt slang when instant messaging (on a corporate network and at home). While some people may have incredible difficulty in getting their heads around several context-sensitive "versions" of modern english, I think the vast majority don't. I've not yet seen a job application in the style of:

"LOLZ spent 2yrs srving burgerz and chipz in BK WTF they pwn!!1!!!one!!one haxxorz"