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    Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    I may disagree with her on most things, but I have to give Condi a hat tip for this ...

    From AmericaBlog ...

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    Condi recognizes gay man's "mother in law" in front of Laura Bush at official ceremony </B>
    by John in DC - 10/12/2006 06:03:00 PM





    It doesn't get more real than that. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, a member of George Bush's cabinet, while standing alongside First Lady Laura Bush, recognized a gay man, his partner, and his "mother in law" - i.e., his gay partner's mom.

    For all the criticism we give Condi, and it's well deserved, she gets kudos for this one. I interviewed her years ago, during the 1999 campaign for the presidency, and the lady doesn't let out a word she doesn't mean. She said "mother in law" because she meant "mother in law." And she meant to say it in front of Mrs. Bush and the cameras. She knew exactly what she was doing. The question is why Ms. Rice felt the need to make a pro-gay gesture at this point in time. With the Foley scandal in full bloom, you'd think the Bushies would want to stay away from gays like the plague.

    Yes, I get it - Foley is not a "gay" scandal, BUT, the gay issue is obviously hot right now, and with the religious right seething like neo-Nazis at a synagogue, it just strikes me as odd, though welcome, that Rice decided now was the time to make a bold gesture in favor of gay marriage - and that's essentially what she did.
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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Wow. While this is nice, I never knew we were now giving out awards just for just being a decent person.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by epicAdam View Post
    Wow. While this is nice, I never knew we were now giving out awards just for just being a decent person.
    Since there are so few of them in this administration, her gesture was at least noteworthy. LOL, possibly one of them was a hairdresser .... Lord knows she could use some good advice in that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelter44 View Post
    Since there are so few of them in this administration, her gesture was at least noteworthy. LOL, possibly one of them was a hairdresser .... Lord knows she could use some good advice in that area.
    EpicAdam is right -- an award for simple social graces?

    As to her visage: grim. Bleak. Barren. Extreme voodoo.





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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Where in snapcat's post was there any mention to an award?

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    EpicAdam is right -- an award for simple social graces?

    As to her visage: grim. Bleak. Barren. Extreme voodoo.





    If the white house gig falls through, she can always get a job as a shoe clerk ..... the same career path her boss should think about pursuing.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    I've got to agree with epic, big deal. Ken Mehlman will even give you a blow job (and maybe a couple of other guys at the same time) but, he is still a Republican and will cut your balls off for a few votes.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Recognition given in that fashion may be a first in public political circles.
    What interests me is this: will it catch on?

    To you Demibrats: it IS worthy of applause at least -- just read your own propaganda about this administration... if you've been right all along, they must be setting the stake in the ground and piling up the wood right now!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Like everything else in this administration, this was a contrived, political display. Everything they do is for a photo-op.

    I wish I could believe that this was a sincere gesture on the admins part and her words were honest. I can not accept anything they say as truth. This is really sad.

    You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time.

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    YES! Not only does she deserve a thank you for this one action but I say give her a damn award for it. We should be making a HUGE deal about it. Award it and draw national attention to it.

    What world do you guys live in? The GOP does everything it can to bash gays and turn us into evil creatures, for Condi to say this steps outside the party norm is a good thing and it has already opened her to criticism from inside. In a perfect world people wouldn't be congratulated for being decent. This is not a perfect world.

    What's wrong with you guys that you can't acknowledge this as a good and positive thing from a person who is normally directed by the GOP puppeteers?

    The gay community celebrates ancient, has-been actors who dare to come out at 107. We give them awards through our national organizations and praise them as role models. I think this one action, a die-hard conservative member of this terrible administration saying these two words, is more important than any actor with one foot in the grave who finally came out of the closet.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxFanVa View Post
    Like everything else in this administration, this was a contrived, political display. Everything they do is for a photo-op.

    I wish I could believe that this was a sincere gesture on the admins part and her words were honest. I can not accept anything they say as truth. This is really sad.


    Sure, it was a comment meant to appease the Log cabiners, who cares why? It's been said and should be used to our advantage.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    How desperate are we that we get all verklempt when one of these professional bigots acknowledges the truth?

    Republicans are our enemy and they should be Condi's enemy also. If it had not been for Democrats and courageous African Americans, Condi would be working in George Bush's kitchen.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattieMich View Post

    What world do you guys live in? The GOP does everything it can to bash gays and turn us into evil creatures, for Condi to say this steps outside the party norm is a good thing and it has already opened her to criticism from inside. In a perfect world people wouldn't be congratulated for being decent. This is not a perfect world.
    The question is, what world do YOU live in? A world where acting like a normal fucking human being earns the Nobel Peace prize? Get a fucking grip!

    And leave it to that manic-depressive John Aravosis at the silly "AmericaBlog" to think as you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    How desperate are we that we get all verklempt when one of these professional bigots acknowledges the truth?

    Republicans are our enemy and they should be Condi's enemy also. If it had not been for Democrats and courageous African Americans, Condi would be working in George Bush's kitchen.
    I think you should go back and look at the early Republican Party's record on civil rights and blacks. Just a suggestion. Both parties have changed and developed over time. Dems aren't tax and spend and Republicans aren't small gov't. The current GOP has nothing but contempt and passive aggressive acceptance for minorities, but that wasn't the case early on.

    Sometimes I say a quiet thank you for my history teacher Mr. Blair, he was a proud liberal but never felt the need to ignore the truth of history.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    The question is, what world do YOU live in? A world where acting like a normal fucking human being earns the Nobel Peace prize? Get a fucking grip!

    And leave it to that manic-depressive John Aravosis at the silly "AmericaBlog" to think as you do.
    Nobel Peace prize? Extreme, no? But I expect no less from you.

    There is middle ground here and no reason not to acknowledge the comment with a thank you AND to use it to our advantage.

    When you have normally democrat preachers saying we don't have the right to marry, democrat politicians not willing to stick their necks out for us, republicans using us as a voting wedge, political commentators comparing us to pedophiles, religious organizations telling the world our same sex families are not families, yes, I think we should acknowledge and thank the people who do positive things - regardless of political ties.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    The question is, what world do YOU live in? A world where acting like a normal fucking human being earns the Nobel Peace prize? Get a fucking grip!
    PS - I do live in a world where people get the Nobel Peace Prize for acting like a human being - Jimmy Carter, Mother Teresa, Desmund Tutu, Kofi Annan - all awarded for acting like human beings and encouraging others to do so.

    Now, will I be as extreme as you and say people want this awarded to Condi, no.

    *hugs the General*

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by MattieMich View Post
    Nobel Peace prize? Extreme, no? But I expect no less from you.
    Now now, Matt, put your passive-aggressive attitude away, it does nothing to legitimate your "Oh, Massa, Massa, Massa" groveling.

    There is middle ground here and no reason not to acknowledge the comment with a thank you AND to use it to our advantage.
    Maybe where you're from, people thank each other for not spitting in one's water, or for not keying one's car, but in normal, civilized parts of America, these things are taken for granted, and are not sufficiently meritorious to receive notice. It is a measure of how extreme this admin has become that this is even noticed at all.

    It is noteworthy that some among us are so filled with inferiority that they need to show their gratitude by licking the pink bits of those freaks of nature.




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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    It is noteworthy to point out how petty and bitter partisans can be when they have no concept of strategy and a malevolent fear of progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    It is noteworthy that some among us are so filled with inferiority that they need to show their gratitude by licking the pink bits of those freaks of nature.
    I'm curious, how exactly do you think change begins? Is the group opposite of you, regardless if it's politics or social issues, the side that always has to change? Acknowledgement, encouragement and dialogue do nothing to help? It's all groveling? Even if we know exactly what is behind the comment we shouldn’t pick it up and use it to our advantage? Use it to try and get a few social conservatives over to our side? “Look, she called a gay guy’s partner’s mother his mother-in-law and she didn’t get struck down by God.”

    This should be a talking point for all gays in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattieMich View Post
    I'm curious, how exactly do you think change begins? Is the group opposite of you, regardless if it's politics or social issues, the side that always has to change?
    First, I don't believe these social misfits in the admin have the ability or inclination to become normal people -- their sicknesses are manifestly beyond recovery. Second, you keep missing the point: normal people are usually gracious in social settings -- to acknowledge this bit of fluff by Rice is to forget her entire history as The House Negro and True Believer, and confers a level of dignity that she simply has not earned.



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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    I actually believe the Bush Administration in itself, is pro-gay. They're only playing the conservative Christians for votes and pretending to be "hetero family values."

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I actually believe the Bush Administration in itself, is pro-gay. They're only playing the conservative Christians for votes and pretending to be "hetero family values."
    That certainly would explain why Ken Mehlman's suit pants are baggy at the knees ....... not to mention his numerous late night visits to the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I actually believe the Bush Administration in itself, is pro-gay. They're only playing the conservative Christians for votes and pretending to be "hetero family values."
    "Pro-gay"? *blinks* Did you mean to say you believe or was it you make-believe? I can pretend with you.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I actually believe the Bush Administration in itself, is pro-gay. They're only playing the conservative Christians for votes and pretending to be "hetero family values."
    I would say ambivalent or even unconcerned with gay issues as opposed to pro-gay.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I actually believe the Bush Administration in itself, is pro-gay. They're only playing the conservative Christians for votes and pretending to be "hetero family values."

    I'll record that in my book of memories for future use... against you.

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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    LOL

    Perhaps my language was too strong in using "pro-gay"

    I think they are more "open-minded" than their constituents. I mean Daddy Cheney, Bush inviting Elton John and his boyfriend to sleep over at the White House, and Laura Bush not caring if someone is gay or not who visits the White House, etc. I think the pushing for the Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment is all just for show, and that the Bushes could care less about homosexuality while the Evangelical Christians do.

    They're still hypocrites, but I don't believe they are as ambivalent towards homosexuality as they publically claim to be.

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    Ye shall know them by their works.




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    Re: Kudos to Condi (On One Issue, At Least)

    I'm not entirely certain the Bush administration is pro- much of anything, except imposing morals on others, and pursuing ignorant military plans.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    On the side of those here at JUB criticizing Condi for her remarks here is video of Olbermann (and Rice's comments) about those that ally with the anti-Condi crowd here: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchiv...ly_values.html

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