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    Laughing at Americans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soilwork View Post
    sorry.. not you.. that was directed to Mazdaboi.

    But while we're on the subject...
    Yes, I'm out to my parents.
    And they're the only part of the family that thinks I'm even human, except one sister-in-law, who's in the closet about it because she's married to the brother who says I've destroyed the family....

    The world is weird.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soilwork View Post
    by the way "Poutine" is a French Canadian cassarole made of Gravy, French Fries and Cheese curds.
    Not to be confused with Pouting, which is what Democrats do when some gays vote Republican.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Very interesting that until the 1970's,the Republicans had a sizable moderate to liberal wing(instrumental in securing civil rights legislation in the 1960's),and the Democrats had a very culturally conservative Southern Democratic wing until the same period,then both became much more ideologically distinct after the Vietnam War and Civil Rights movement pushed the more activist right and left to attempt to redefine each party's agenda to promote the interests of the activists.

    Why do gays vote Republican?Well,if gays can keep a sliver of hope for the remnants of a moderate GOP, why not?The best thing for gays is that both parties cannot ignore their vote.If the religious right maintains their stranglehold on the Republicans,then a new third party of those closer to the center,who will pursue policies that actually will best attempt to promote the benefit of Americans as a whole,would be the best choice.But until and if that day comes,and logically...why should there only be a choice of right -left,gays who try to promote a more innovative,creative vision of Republicanism should not be deterred by the ideologues on the left or those on the right.People aren't' monolithic,nor should they be expected to be.
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    Quick response without scanning the previously posted:
    This is intended as a very partial answer: A lot of conservatives and 'conservativists' haven't gotten beyond the Cold War mind-set.
    This mind-set is something you inherit or develop as a habit.


    A social libertarian-centerist approach ('Clintonist') is what the country should adopt. That amounts to opportunity and progress for all.

    Technically, I'm Republican. "By birth." I get GOP mailings. They have mainly anthropological interest nowadays.
    My conservative leanings have been weak for some time now, but I remember what it was all about when I think about it. It's not something good. It's not about reality.
    I reacted about ten years ago, went far left; and am now a tad left-of-center.
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    After a quick reconnoiter I see that there is a lot of Cold War Era thinking habits.
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    Sausage: nice historical take; it gives us something to ponder.

    Kurn: um, examples?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazda3boi View Post
    I knew the Republicans wouldn't lay down and quit. The head in the sand does not work. Diplomacy does not work. Final form of diplomacy does work. Why do you suppose you are hard pressed to find the majority of soldiers will not speak poorly about the war? We agree with it and we are the ones placing our lives on the line for our beliefs. Who the hell are these at home couch potatoes who are outraged at our losses?
    I apologize. I am not here to preach. Most Americans will not take ten minutes to work out the history behind our countries actions
    O.K. Mary, here's a little piece of history that might help you put the current Iran issue in perspective and it will only take you 3 minutes instead of 10.
    Wow, you mean they actually had a democratically elected government that we destroyed to get at their oil?
    That's weird.
    I wonder why they don't trust us?

    In the early 1950s, there was a political crisis centered in Iran that commanded the focused attention of British and American intelligence outfits. In 1951, the Iranian parliament, under the leadership of the nationalist movement of Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh, voted unanimously to nationalize the oil industry. This shut out the immensely profitable Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was a pillar of Britain's economy and political clout. A month after that vote, Mossadegh was named Prime Minister of Iran.
    In response to nationalization, Britain placed a massive embargo on Iranian oil exports, which only worsened the already fragile economy. Neither the AIOC nor Mossadegh was open to compromise in this period, with Britain insisting on a restoration of the AIOC and Mossadegh only willing to negotiate on the terms of its compensation for lost assets. The U.S. president at the time, Harry S. Truman, was categorically unwilling to join Britain in planning a coup against Mossadegh, and Britain felt unable to act without American cooperation, particularly since Mossadegh had shut down their embassy in 1952. Coup plans which had stalled under Truman were immediately revived by an eager intelligence corps, with powerful aid from the brothers John Foster Dulles (Secretary of State) and Allen Welsh Dulles (CIA director), after Eisenhower's inauguration in 1953.
    Under Kermit Roosevelt Jr.'s direction (a senior CIA agent, and grandson of the former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt), the CIA and British intelligence funded and led a coup d'etat to overthrow the democratically elected prime minister with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah through Operation Ajax. [1] The plot hinged on orders signed by the Shah to dismiss Mossadegh as prime minister and replace him with General Fazlollah Zahedi, a choice agreed on by the British and Americans. Despite the high-level coordination and planning, the coup initially failed and the Shah fled Iran. After a brief exile in Italy, however, the Shah was brought back again, this time through a second coup which was successful. The deposed Mossadegh was arrested, given a show trial, and placed in solitary confinement for three years in military prison, followed by house arrest for life. Zahedi was installed to succeed Prime Minister Mossadegh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Not to be confused with Pouting, which is what Democrats do when some gays vote Republican.
    That's not pouting.

    It's shaking our heads with pity at your self-loathing behavior.

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    Ooooo. A novel thread. We haven't had a 'justify your existence' thread directed towards any Republicans/Conservatives 'round here for at least two or three weeks (Actually, on this forum, that's a long time.) Since Lostlover doesn't frequent our haunts here in CE&P, and appears to have asked a serious question, here's a link to some time back when I still answered this question on occasion.


    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    The average Republican, gay or st8, just likes getting jerked off by some Daddy figure spouting cliche after cliche, platitude after platitude, buzz word after buzz word.
    Hmmm. Is it cliche to note that every time I seem to post a response to this question, you're talking about cliches? (See above?)


    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    ...and they loathe themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by bma1983 View Post
    For gays to be affiliated with today’s Republican party is like Blacks joining the KKK.
    Quote Originally Posted by OtterJoq View Post
    ...shaking our heads with pity at your self-loathing behavior.

    But nevertheless, the cliche of talking about cliches is not the cliche about which I wish to complain. Why, my objection is in the incredible lack of variety in the condescending insults typically offered in this threads. Come on, guys - "self-loathing"? Can't we have something else for a bit of variety? Don't they teach any other words in politically correct tolerance classes about how to characterize other Americans?

    I mean, if we have to all read self-righteous drivel pretending to be political debate, couldn't we mix it up with a little? I mean, loathe/KKK -where's our Nazi reference - I must have missed it? Maybe you could say abhor. (It's tricky to spell, but you could work on it. Maybe Despise? Detest? Repudiate? Spurn?

    Check in with the General, maybe he can give some pointers. At least 'French Sheep' is an entertaining insult. If your goal is to be a dismissive elitist who contemptously dismisses others based on your own stereotypical perceptions of their beliefs, by all means...but you should at least strive to do so with a good vocabulary.

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    Oh Maltese, that old post makes you sound so Clintonesque. However, I'm sure that lurking behind those generalizations are some horrendous social, tax, and foreign policy positions. We all know where the devil lurks.

    The exchange of freedoms with government or any other institutions is the social norm. It is an exchange, we get something for it. Conservatives do not seem to mind exchanging their freedom for non governmental institutions (churches, corporations, ideological straight jackets), and yet government is the only institution where we have any input.

    Isn't the hostility toward government simply a remnant of the agrarian dream, the rugged individual myth of the west and the southern hostility to civil rights? That is, hostility toward government is a cultural prejudice, a localized phenomena in several areas that the Republicans have capitalized on? (and done nothing about)

    You know you love your highway funds, your faith based initiatives, your defense contracts, your bridges to nowhere.

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    Baddog- thanks for the history, we are always so shortsighted.

    Kulindahr - The American fetish with guns has nothing to do with self defense. Guns are seldom used for that purpose. Guns are about power, they give the insecure and vulnerable a sense of equality and power. They are carried for psychological security not real security. Only the criminals regularly use them for their real purpose - as tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Isn't the hostility toward government simply a remnant of the agrarian dream, the rugged individual myth of the west and the southern hostility to civil rights? That is, hostility toward government is a cultural prejudice, a localized phenomena in several areas that the Republicans have capitalized on? (and done nothing about)
    There was a hostility toward federal, centralized government in all of the 13 colonies, as far as I recall, and that was pretty much true up until the Civil War and the subsequent Southern hostility to civil rights which prompted several federal answers to the problem that just would not go away otherwise. The hostility toward centralized power, however, is rooted in America's distant past, before abolitionism (with its individualist, natural law roots) arose to political prominence and long before the civil rights issue of the mid-1900s. So your equivocation, the hostility toward government, is unsurprisingly misleading since it was more or less a hostility toward the federal government. There was, however, a genuine concern of the power of government at any level due to its historical capacity for tyranny---not that it is odd that you defend tyranny---which explains why there was once a checks-and-balance not only within the federal government's three branches but between the tiers of local, state, and federal government.

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    Originally Posted by mazda3boi
    I knew the Republicans wouldn't lay down and quit. The head in the sand does not work. Diplomacy does not work. Final form of diplomacy does work. Why do you suppose you are hard pressed to find the majority of soldiers will not speak poorly about the war? We agree with it and we are the ones placing our lives on the line for our beliefs. Who the hell are these at home couch potatoes who are outraged at our losses?
    I apologize. I am not here to preach. Most Americans will not take ten minutes to work out the history behind our countries actions
    I think you will find that most soldiers are actually afraid to say anything against the war in fear of the consequences they may face from superior officers and the government.

    There are many soldiers who have spoken out against the war. Why? Because they don't believe in their fellow soldiers being needlessly sacrificed/killed/tortured for something based on lies. The soldiers I typically find are in agreement with the war are usually the ones who don't actually see any action.

    I don't think you speak for the majority of soldiers, just yourself. To say you agree with all this death and destruction of soldiers, innocent children and adults, after knowing your fellow soldiers went to their death for manipulative lies, mismanagement, and poor leadership really disturbs me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Kulindahr - The American fetish with guns has nothing to do with self defense. Guns are seldom used for that purpose. Guns are about power, they give the insecure and vulnerable a sense of equality and power. They are carried for psychological security not real security. Only the criminals regularly use them for their real purpose - as tools.
    So that is why this police department makes the following suggestion:
    WEAPONS
    Some people carry weapons such as guns, knives, or spray chemicals to ward off attackers. Unless you are trained and not afraid to use these weapons, they can be very dangerous. The attacker might be able to turn them against you. Also, some weapons cannot legally be carried, so check with local law enforcement authorities.
    http://www.hendersonville-pd.org/Pre...ntionTips.html I'm guessing your response, to be consistent with all that you have said, is something along the lines of "Crazy feminists and their insecurity and vulnerability doing whatever they can for a sense of equality and power; and if they ever have to use that wepon for its real purpose, as a tool to protect themselves, why then they are criminals! How can you protect yourself when you aren't supposed to own yourself---that's absurd!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddog View Post
    O.K. Mary, here's a little piece of history that might help you put the current Iran issue in perspective and it will only take you 3 minutes instead of 10.
    Wow, you mean they actually had a democratically elected government that we destroyed to get at their oil?
    That's weird.
    I wonder why they don't trust us?
    Do you drive a car? Ride a bus? Fly?

    I thought so. Why are you speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryankeith View Post
    I think you will find that most soldiers are actually afraid to say anything against the war in fear of the consequences they may face from superior officers and the government.

    There are many soldiers who have spoken out against the war. Why? Because they don't believe in their fellow soldiers being needlessly sacrificed/killed/tortured for something based on lies. The soldiers I typically find are in agreement with the war are usually the ones who don't actually see any action.

    I don't think you speak for the majority of soldiers, just yourself. To say you agree with all this death and destruction of soldiers, innocent children and adults, after knowing your fellow soldiers went to their death for manipulative lies, mismanagement, and poor leadership really disturbs me.
    Hmm. SO you speaking for them because you know what they think right? Very good what should we think next please? Please tell us.

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    I can't tell you why a gay will vote for this current mess of a goverment both presidential administration and congress, but this mess is a such a huge one on so many things beyond gay issues.

    But on the gay issue part I think I can give you an answer. Gay Republicans are either extreme cynics or extremly idealistic. The cynics see that while the Religious Right is a powerful force and get Republicans elected, the politicans that are elected do not implent all the Religious Rights goals at least on the federal level. They may <i>try</i> to get a Federal Marriage Ammendment, they may do lip service, but everybody knows the 2006 attempt was dead on arrival.

    At the same time while the Democrats may occasionally do lip service for gay issues, when push comes to shove they falter (see Bill Clinton and his horrendus Don't Ask Don't Tell, that was betrayl.) Or they expouse similar rhetoric as the Religious Right for example Mrs Clinton.

    Thus the cynics see no party at the federal level doing anything to help them, thus if they most vote for one of those two parties it is for other reasons.




    The idealistic Gay Republicans believe they can actually change the current incantation of the Republican party.





    On the state level the cynical logic just doesn't add up. It is on the state level and not the federal level we seen the real progress with gay issues (Besides the Supreme Court) Additionally it is at the state level that we seen the worst offenses in gay issues.

    Makes sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland00 View Post
    At the same time while the Democrats may occasionally do lip service for gay issues, when push comes to shove they falter (see Bill Clinton and his horrendus Don't Ask Don't Tell, that was betrayl.) Or they expouse similar rhetoric as the Religious Right for example Mrs Clinton.
    Really? Well, let's see. Here are some of the Dems accomplishments on gay issues when Dems were last in power. Lip Service? I think not. Trivial? Hardly.


    PRO-GAY ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF DEMS AND CLINTON 1992-2000

    Clinton Advocated for Hate Crimes Legislation: for the first time in history, it would give Federal prosecutors the power to prosecute hate crimes committed because of the victim's sexual orientation.

    Appointed the First –Ever Openly Gay United States Ambassador. On October 6, 1997 and again on January 6, 1999, the President nominated James C. Hormel to be U.S. Ambassador to Luxembourg. Although Mr. Hormel’s qualifications were never in question, and it was generally agreed that his nomination would have easily won a floor vote, a handful of conservative Senators blocked the nomination. Because of this, on June 4, 1999, President Clinton announced the recess appointment of James Hormel. This appointment makes Mr. Hormel the first-ever openly gay United States
    Ambassador.

    Ending Discrimination Against Gays and Lesbians in the Federal Civilian Workforce. President Clinton issued an Executive Order prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation in the Federal civilian workforce. orientation.

    Endorsing Legislation that Outlaws Discrimination in the Workplace. President Clinton said in his 1999 State of the Union Address, “I ask Congress to make the Employment Non-Discrimination Act… the law of the land.” President Clinton and Vice President Gore endorsed and continue to fight for passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, a bill outlawing discrimination in hiring, firing and promotions based on sexual orientation.

    Issuing the First-Ever Gay and Lesbian Pride Month Proclamation. In June 1999, President Clinton issued the first Gay and Lesbian Pride Month proclamation. This historic action marked, as the President said, “the Stonewall Uprising and the birth of the modern gay and lesbian civil rights movement.”

    Protecting Adoption Rights. President Clinton blocked Republican efforts to pass legislation prohibiting unmarried couples from jointly adopting children in the District of Columbia and legislation which would have denied certain Federal funds to localities with domestic partnership laws.

    Working to Stop Discrimination Against People With AIDS. President Clinton supports the Supreme Court’s decision in Bragdon v. Abbott, which reinforces the protections offered by the landmark Americans With Disabilities Act for Americans living with HIV and AIDS.

    Employment Protection: The President directed the Justice Department and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to vigorously prosecute those who discriminate against people with AIDS, leading to actions against health care providers and facilities that violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.

    Helping Those Fleeing Persecution Because of Their Sexual Orientation. President Clinton’s Administration is the first ever to grant asylum for gays and lesbians facing persecution in other countries.

    Banning Insurance Discrimination. President Clinton fought for and signed the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which bans insurance discrimination against people with pre-existing medical conditions including HIV/AIDS. In addition, President Clinton issued a directive that ensures that all providers of Federal health insurance abide by non-discrimination rules including sexual orientation.

    Fighting Harassment of Students Based on Sexual Orientation. President Clinton’s Department of Education has issued landmark guidance that explains Federal standards against sexual harassment and that prohibits sexual harassment of all students regardless of their sexual orientation.

    Reaching Out to Gay Community: President Clinton named the first Presidential Liaison to the gay and lesbian community.. He also appointed the first openly gay senior policy adviser on civil rights issues.

    The First President and Vice President to Speak before Gay and Lesbian Organizations. In January 1999, President Clinton advocated for gay and lesbian issues in his State of the Union remarks, the first president ever to do so. On November 8, 1997, he also became the first sitting president to speak before a gay and lesbian organization when he delivered the keynote address to the Human Rights Campaign National Dinner.
    Protecting Medicaid and Social Security Coverage: Clinton fought for and won the preservation of the Medicaid guarantee of coverage which serves more than 50 percent of people living with AIDS.

    Increasing AIDS Drug Assistance and Accelerating AIDS Drug Approvals.
    The Administration issued a directive on September 30, 1993, that requires every Federal employee to receive comprehensive education on HIV/AIDS.

    Established a White House AIDS Office and Created a Presidential Advisory Council.
    Convened the First Ever White House Conference on HIV and AIDS.
    I do resent it when so-called "moderates" feel a need to trash Dems so as to make Pugs seem like not-so-evil evil doers. It makes no sense, has been disproved, yet here we go again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Really? Well, let's see. Here are some of the Dems accomplishments on gay issues when Dems were last in power. Lip Service? I think not. Trivial? Hardly.

    I do resent it when so-called "moderates" feel a need to trash Dems so as to make Pugs seem like not-so-evil evil doers. It makes no sense, has been disproved, yet here we go again...
    No, there you go again GA, confusing every one with facts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtterJoq View Post
    That's not pouting.

    It's shaking our heads with pity at your self-loathing behavior.
    Excuse you?

    WHOSE alleged "self-loathing behavior"?

    If you want "self-loathing", by the rules employed to come up with your accusation makes every American who votes for a major party "self-loathing" -- Americans believe in freedom, but neither major party does.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    I do resent it when so-called "moderates" feel a need to trash Dems so as to make Pugs seem like not-so-evil evil doers. It makes no sense, has been disproved, yet here we go again...
    You can trash Dems independent of the perception one can make for Republicans; in other words, you have the relation of Dems doing evil which may not be as bad as the evil done by Republicans. For some reason you are ignoring that lesser-of-two-evils thing again. However, it has been argued why Clinton did those so-called terrible things to the so-called gay agenda and, instead of harping on so-called terrible things constantly (or fake things like those claims Clinton did nothing about terrorism), one could learn a lot from taking a less partisan, more intellectually honest perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Baddog- thanks for the history, we are always so shortsighted.

    Kulindahr - The American fetish with guns has nothing to do with self defense. Guns are seldom used for that purpose. Guns are about power, they give the insecure and vulnerable a sense of equality and power. They are carried for psychological security not real security. Only the criminals regularly use them for their real purpose - as tools.
    That was a nice summary from Baddog. I read a book on it last year -- Eisenhower is a good example of why never elect a general.

    As for guns, well, they're used, according to even government figures, to stop a crime against person or property almost five times per minute in the U.S. -- that doesn't count police guns, which, BTW, rarely stop any crimes.
    That doesn't sound like "seldom" to me!

    I guess you're one of General Alfie's crew -- long on emotion, cliches, and rhetoric, short on reasoning and fact.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazda3boi View Post
    Hmm. SO you speaking for them because you know what they think right? Very good what should we think next please? Please tell us.
    Thats funny...because in your post you were thinking for the majority of soldiers as well.

    I speak of this because of my own job... I know if my fellow brothers were sent in to their death due to lies, poor leadership and mismanagement (oh, and without the proper equipment) by my officer in charge or chief commander I would be extremley upset and so would the others. My entire family are veterans and they feel the same way.

    So that is why your comments disturb me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    You can trash Dems independent of the perception one can make for Republicans; in other words, you have the relation of Dems doing evil which may not be as bad as the evil done by Republicans. For some reason you are ignoring that lesser-of-two-evils thing again. However, it has been argued why Clinton did those so-called terrible things to the so-called gay agenda and, instead of harping on so-called terrible things constantly (or fake things like those claims Clinton did nothing about terrorism), one could learn a lot from taking a less partisan, more intellectually honest perspective.
    Look, Clinton's weaknesses are documented and have been discussed at some length here. I was responding to the claim that "the Democrats may occasionally do lip service for gay issues, when push comes to shove they falter (see Bill Clinton and his horrendus Don't Ask Don't Tell, that was betrayl.) Or they expouse similar rhetoric as the Religious Right for example Mrs Clinton." I think my list clearly refutes that weak notion, and then some. And if you read this long, long list, you'd note that Clinton tried to appoint an out gay man as ambassador, which the GOP torpedoed. That effort by Clinton is surely worth the adoration being shown Condi Rice for not acting like a social misfit at some forgettable reception line. That is, unless you don't love America...



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    Me, because I'm in Europe, and republican parties here are something completely different. First time voter last sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    That effort by Clinton is surely worth the adoration being shown Condi Rice for not acting like a social misfit at some forgettable reception line. That is, [I]unless you don't love America...
    Your defending Clinton was not the issue, but this comparison is. The bashing of Clinton should be looked at independently from comparison---it is wrong inherently. The same is this bashing of Condi in light of Clinton; they are both inherently wrong on the same principle. You are guilty of the crime that you rail against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarebackTeenager View Post
    Me, because I'm in Europe, and republican parties here are something completely different. First time voter last sunday.
    You have to forgive us Americans and our crazy, worthless two party system of misfits and parasites. There are those of us that wish to fix our system, and then those that are so entrenched in their own partisan lies that are malevolent to any that aren't shackled to either of the parties that accomplish no good as often as possible.

    Congratulations on your first time, of hopefully many more, voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazda3boi View Post
    Do you drive a car? Ride a bus? Fly?

    I thought so. Why are you speaking.
    I guess that's the 'soundbite' response you warned us about right after you moaned about how Americans don't know their history.

    And what's the cut-off age for using the word 'boi' in your screenname?


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    Everyone has a right to choose their own party, but I don't believe its possible for any homosexual to be in support of George Bush at this point. Not just about gay rights, but all the other things going wrong in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryankeith View Post
    Thats funny...because in your post you were thinking for the majority of soldiers as well.

    I speak of this because of my own job... I know if my fellow brothers were sent in to their death due to lies, poor leadership and mismanagement (oh, and without the proper equipment) by my officer in charge or chief commander I would be extremley upset and so would the others. My entire family are veterans and they feel the same way.

    So that is why your comments disturb me.
    The poor equipment especially disturbs me. Bush made all that talk of how RUmmy was going to modernize the military -- and he can't even get them basic gear?!!!
    On that basis alone he should be fired.
    If he didn't have the funding, Bush should have eliminated, by executive order, one of the more useless areas of government spending, like artsy-fartsy stuff, or the Department of Education, which hasn't accomplished anything except to strap localities with paperwork and red tape, handed Rummy the bucks, and said, "Get the job done, or hit the road."
    THAT would be being presidential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryankeith View Post
    Thats funny...because in your post you were thinking for the majority of soldiers as well.

    I speak of this because of my own job... I know if my fellow brothers were sent in to their death due to lies, poor leadership and mismanagement (oh, and without the proper equipment) by my officer in charge or chief commander I would be extremley upset and so would the others. My entire family are veterans and they feel the same way.

    So that is why your comments disturb me.
    Your right I should speak for myself. I didn't experience the naysayers but in the Navy the fighters are well motivated and Combat is a choice. You don't land on the ground as a boot until you volunteer. We didn't join to earn a education or a paycheck. I also have had family tell me that they would never fight for this country again due to the lies of Vietnam. I however have not experienced that in the people I have dealt with over the last five years that are wearing the cloth of our nation. I have yet to see this other Army or Navy in the field or back in the states. Yet I see their words quoted by others. Well supposedly quoted. I think i will go the way of Missouri and your going to have to "Show me". I can't accept blind quotes.

    But your probably right, most service members fear recrimination. Or wait is that person placing their paycheck over their beliefs, that sounds very heroic. It is like the 1900's in today's military, all backwards ignorants farm boys with no voice. It will all come out when the dems take power in Nov and then again in 2008. I am sure the terrorists will go back to their mudhuts when we break trail and run. Maybe they will get lonely back in their mudhuts and come say hello to any Americans they can find like the folks have over the last 30 years:

    • June 5, 1968: Robert F. Kennedy is assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian immigrant who regarded RFK as a collaborator with Israel.
    • March 1971: The U.S. Senate is bombed again. Suspected this time are opponents of the Vietnam fiasco.
    • November 4, 1979: Supporters of the Ayatollah Khomeini storm the U.S. embassy in Teheran in anger at the longtime U.S. support for the Shah's despotic regime. It would not be until two years later that the hostages would be freed.
    • December 1979: A mob of Iranians burns down the U.S. embassy in Tripoli, Libya. Iranian-sponsored terrorism against the United States is promoted as a just cause in retaliation for U.S. support for the Shah and Israel.
    • April 8, 1983: The Iranian-backed Hezbollah bombs the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The attack kills 17 Americans. All attacks by Hezbollah in Lebanon around this time are in retaliation for the U.S. openly choosing sides, supporting the Christian government against the Muslim militias by training and arming the Lebanese National Army (the LNA). U.S. Marines even began patrolling with the LNA, and the U.S. Navy and Marines began shelling the Muslims to support the LNA.
    • October 23, 1983: A suicide truck-bomber from Hezbollah attacks the U.S. embassy and destroys the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 290 people and wounding 200 more. The U.S. Marines soon withdraw from Beirut. A Hezbollah spokesman brags that it took only two "martyrs" to force the Marines out of Lebanon: one who blew up the embassy, and the other who drove the truck that destroyed the Marine barracks. In September 1984, Hezbollah would bomb the U.S. embassy annex in East Beirut, killing 23 people and wounding four Marine guards. During the 1980s, Hezbollah would kidnap 19 American diplomats, educators, businessmen, clergy, journalists, and military personnel, and kill at least four.
    • March 1986: The largest peacetime American naval armada ever assembled sails across the "line of death," which, according to Khadafy, marks Libyan territorial waters in the Gulf of Sidra. Fulfilling the predictions of U.S. defense analysts, he shoots off missiles at the fleet. U.S. forces then destroy a missile site and three Libyan naval craft. In retaliation, Khadafy sponsors the bombing on April 5, 1986, of the La Belle nightclub in West Berlin, which killed an American soldier and a Turkish woman. On April 15, 1986 (two weeks after the "line of death" incident in late March), the U.S. retaliates for the La Belle bombing with air strikes against Libya.
    • According to the Defense Science Board (and contrary to neocon belief), these air strikes did not cause Khadafy to abandon terrorism. In fact, he expanded his terrorist campaign against Western Europe to the United States. (See the next eight entries.) Beginning in April 1986, State Department analysts began to link Libyan terrorist agents to an average of one attack per month against U.S. targets. Some examples of these are:
    • April 1986: An American hostage in Lebanon is sold to Libya and executed.
    • 1986: Libyans attempt to blow up the U.S. embassy in Lomé, Togo.
    • September 1987: Abu Nidal, working for Libya, hijacks Pan Am Flight 73 in Karachi, Pakistan. Several Americans are killed during the hijacking.
    • April 12, 1988: A Japanese Red Army operative with three bombs is arrested in New Jersey with a plan to attack a military base in the United States. The attack has been timed to coincide with the second anniversary of the U.S. air strikes on Libya.
    • April 14, 1988: The Japanese Red Army, under contract from Abu Nidal, plants a bomb at the USO military club in Naples, Italy, to coincide with the anniversary. Five people are killed.
    • December 1988: Two Libyan intelligence agents allegedly bomb Pan Am Flight 103. The bomb kills 270 people, 200 of whom were Americans.
    • 1988: Libyan agents bomb U.S. library facilities in Peru, Colombia, and Costa Rica.
    • September 1989: Libyan agents recruit a Chicago gang to shoot down U.S. airliners with shoulder-fired missiles, the same type so generously given to the Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan in the late '70s and the '80s. The plot, fortunately, is foiled.
    • March 10, 1989: The wife of the commander of the U.S.S. Vincennes is pipe-bombed in retaliation for the July 3, 1988, shooting down of an Iranian airliner over the Persian Gulf that killed 290 civilians.
    • March 31, 1990: Four terrorists attack a U.S. Air Force bus in Honduras. Eight people are injured. The Moranzanist Patriotic Front claims responsibility, to protest U.S. military presence in Honduras.
    • May 13, 1990: New People's Army assassins kill two U.S. airmen near Clark Air Base in the Philippines.
    • May 1990: A group led by Ramzi Yousef assassinates, in the United States, Rabbi Meir Kahane, leader of the Jewish Defense League. The murder would later be discovered to be a part of a larger revenge campaign against U.S. foreign policy--a campaign that included the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993.
    • January 2, 1991: A U.S. military helicopter is shot down by the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front militants (a Marxist guerrilla group) in San Miguel, El Salvador. The two crewmen are then executed, most likely because the U.S. provided military aid and advisers to the government of El Salvador.
    • Mid-January to late February 1991 (during the Persian Gulf War): The number of terrorist attacks on American targets all over the world sharply increases: 120, compared with 17 over the same period in 1990. Terrorism analysts label these incidents "freelance" Iraqi-inspired terrorism.
    • March 12, 1991: A U.S. Air Force sergeant is blown up at the entrance to his residence in Athens, Greece. The deadliest terrorist group in Greece, known as November 17, claims responsibility and says the attacks are in response to "American imperialism-nationalism."
    • March 28, 1991: Three U.S. Marines driving near Jubial, Saudi Arabia, are shot by an Arab.
    • October 28, 1991: Turkish Islamic Jihad claims responsibility for a car bomb that kills a U.S. Air Force sergeant.
    • June 10, 1992: A U.S. Army vehicle traveling between Panama City and Colón, Panama, is sprayed with gunfire, killing the driver and a passenger and wounding a civilian bystander. The incident is likely related to the U.S. presence in Panama and control of the Panama Canal.
    • January 23, 1993: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, opens fire on CIA employees on the street outside the agency's headquarters in Virginia. Kansi allegedly is angry about the treatment of Muslims in Bosnia; in retaliation, he had planned to get even by shooting up the CIA, the White House, and the Israeli embassy.
    • February 26, 1993: Islamic terrorists truck-bomb the World Trade Center. The perpetrators had wanted to kill up to a quarter million people by toppling the twin towers like two dominos. Ramzi Yousef, the leader of the bombers, said they intended to inflict Hiroshima-level casualties as punishment for U.S. policies in the Middle East.
    • March 3, 1993: A bomb explodes in front of the U.S. embassy in Belgrade, most likely in response to U.S. policy toward Serbia and Bosnia.
    • April 15, 1993: Seventeen Iraqis are arrested in Kuwait smuggling in a large car bomb and weapons as part of an Iraqi plot to assassinate former president George Bush on his visit to Kuwait. President Clinton would later retaliate against Iraq for the plot with cruise missiles strikes against the headquarters of Iraqi intelligence, killing several Iraqi civilians.
    • June 1993: Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman and other Muslims conspire to attack several New York landmarks all on the same day to inflict maximum casualties. As a sequel to the bombing of the World Trade Center, the group planned to blow up, on July 4, the headquarters of the U.N., the Lincoln and Holland tunnels under the Hudson River, the George Washington Bridge, and the federal government's main office building in New York. The group also planned to assassinate Senator Alfonse D'Amato and others. At the time they were arrested, the conspirators were mixing fertilizer and diesel fuel to create a bomb like the one used on the World Trade Center. Rahman and nine others were convicted in a public trial October 1, 1995.
    • July 1, 1993: Terrorists fire two rockets at the U.S. Air Force base at Yokota, Japan. The incident happens a few days before President Clinton is due to visit the base. The attacks are most likely from opponents of the U.S. military occupation of Japan.
    • July 7, 1993: Just six days later, four rockets are fired at the headquarters of the U.S. Air Force in Japan at Camp Zama, Japan.
    • October 3, 1993: After U.S. armed forces kill thousands of Somalians--an attack about which the commander of the operation, Marine Lt. Gen. Anthony Zinni, told the press, "I'm not counting bodies . . . I'm not interested"--al-Qaeda-trained Somalian tribesmen conduct ambushes of U.S. "peacekeeping" forces in Somalia. The attacks down two helicopters and kill 18 American Army Rangers, resulting in the infamous dragging of dead American soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu. An indictment alleges that al-Qaeda believes the United States has plans to occupy Islamic countries, as demonstrated by its involvement in Somalia and Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf War. U.S. forces would be withdrawn from Somalia, and bin Laden would later call the Somalia operation his group's greatest victory.
    • October 21, 1994: Members of Abu Nidal's organization are convicted of plotting to kill Jews in the United States, to blow up the Israeli embassy in Washington, and to kill anyone who exposed their plans.
    • February 7, 1995: Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing, is finally arrested in Pakistan. The arrest foils a plan already set in motion to bomb 12 U.S. jumbo jets in flight over the Atlantic and kill 4,000 passengers.
    • March 20, 1995: The Japanese apocalyptic cult Aum Shinrikyo (Supreme Truth) releases sarin nerve gas in the Tokyo subway. According to the group's beliefs, the last years of the millennium would give rise to an Armageddon between Japan and the United States, and the cult believed that attacking the Tokyo subway would hasten this Armageddon. The group was hoping to kill tens of thousands of people.
    • April 1995: Members of the Aum Shinrikyo religious cult plan a nerve-gas attack on Disneyland in Anaheim, California. The group plans to attack during a fireworks celebration at which attendance at the park would reach maximum capacity. Tipped off by Japanese police, U.S. authorities apprehend members of the group at the Los Angeles airport before they can launch the attack. The plan also called for an attack on petrochemical facilities in Los Angeles.The Aum Shinrikyo cult has assets of at least $1.2 billion and the capability to produce sarin and VX gas--agents that cause anthrax and botulism--and radiological weapons. This cult is still active.
    • August 18, 1995: The Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front bombs an office building of the American company Fluor Daniel in Santiago, Chile, citing as its reason solidarity with Cuba and opposition to the U.S. economic blockade.
    • September 13, 1995: A rocket-propelled grenade is fired at the U.S. embassy in Russia. The attack is suspected to have been retaliation for U.S. involvement in the NATO air strikes on Bosnian Serb targets.
    • November 13, 1995: A military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing U.S. troops is car-bombed, killing seven people, including five Americans, and wounding 42 others. Muslims seeking to overthrow the oppressive Saudi monarchy and expel the United States from Saudi Arabia carried out the bombings. Three groups, including the Islamic Movement for Change, claim responsibility, and U.S. officials suspect Osama bin Laden was involved.
    • November 15, 1995: An explosive device is discovered on a power line to a U.S. military complex in Sagmihara, Japan.
    • February 15, 1996: A rocket is fired at the U.S. embassy compound in Athens, Greece, causing minor damage to three diplomatic vehicles and surrounding buildings. The State Department says the circumstances of the attack suggest it was another attack by the group known as November 17.
    • June 25, 1996: A U.S. military apartment complex, Khobar Towers, near Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, is truck-bombed, killing 19 U.S. airmen and wounding 515 people, including 240 U.S. citizens. U.S. officials have linked Osama bin Laden to the bombing, and some analysts also suspect Iran of complicity.
    • February 23, 1997: A Palestinian, Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, opens fire on the observation deck of the Empire State Building, killing and wounding several tourists before committing suicide.
    • July 31, 1997: Police in Brooklyn arrest two Palestinian men who allegedly are planning suicide bombings of the subway and a commuter bus.
    • November 12, 1997: Four employees of Union Texas Petroleum are killed in an attack one mile from the U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. The Islamic Revolutionary Council and the Aimal Secret Committee claim the killings are revenge for the conviction of Mir Aimal Kansi, the Pakistani man who murdered CIA employees in their cars in January 1993.
    • December 23, 1997: The teachers' residential compound of the Karachi American School is fired upon. This attack is also probably in retaliation for the conviction of Mir Aimal Kansi.
    • April 3, 1998: November 17 claims responsibility for a rash of attacks against U.S. targets in Greece. Since 1975, its victims include a CIA station chief and three other Americans.
    • August 7, 1998: Simultaneous car-bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, both linked to Osama bin Laden, kill more than 200 Africans--mostly Muslims. Before the bombings, bin Laden issues a Fatwa that he will kill Americans and will not discriminate between military personnel and civilians. In retaliation, on August 20, 1998, the U.S. launches cruise missiles on bin Laden's al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and a factory in Sudan. The Clinton administration claims the Sudanese factory produced chemical weapons and was linked to bin Laden. This is later proven to be a lie, but it would not stop Clinton from declaring his own, although fragmentary, "War on Terrorism" in the midst of impeachment.
    • August 25, 1998: A Planet Hollywood restaurant in South Africa is bombed. A local terrorist group called Muslims Against Global Oppression is said to be the likely culprit, seeking revenge on the United States for the cruise missile attacks on Afghanistan and Sudan.
    • August 26, 1998: A U.S. government information center in Pristina, Kosovo, is fire-bombed, most likely in opposition to U.S. and NATO policy on Kosovo.
    • Early September 1998: The Ugandan government and the FBI uncover a plot by Osama bin Laden to attempt to bomb the U.S. embassy in Kampala, Uganda, for a second time. Ugandan officials say that the cruise missile strike on Sudan in retaliation for the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania might have prompted bin Laden to try a second time to attack the embassy in Kampala. Several arrests are made in connection with the bombing.
    • October 2000: The USS Cole is dinghy-bombed while in port in Yemen. Al-Qaeda is widely suspected, in bin Laden's ongoing personal war against U.S. policies in the Middle East.
    • September 11, 2001: The World Trade Center is bombed a second time, killing nearly 3,000 and sparking a new "war on terrorism," a resurgence in statism throughout the Western world, and increased nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan.

    But the Islamic Fundametalist wouldn't possibly do that again if we just stop fighting them.

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    Can we threadjack this thread anymore by using each party's talking points?

    I believe lostlover original question was to ask this

    I know there are gay Republicans out there, I just would like to understand why they vote Republican knowing that the party is against them marrying.

    This is not an arguing thread, just a serious question
    The underline part is emphasis mine. We can argue about which party is better later. Lostlover was just wanting an explanation why gays would vote Republican, to answer this question it is important to look at the situation from their viewpoint (the gays who vote republican).

    Deciding forever whether Democrats or Republicans are better does not apply to this thread. Explaining to Lostlover why some gays vote republicans even knowing that the party is against them marrying, is the point of this thread. Unless your points is directly connected why some gays vote republican regardless knowing that the party is against them marrying then save it for another thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland00 View Post
    Can we threadjack this thread anymore by using each party's talking points?
    I concur. I know I voted republican in 2000, because I wanted a better opportunity to defend Americans killed by terrorist acts. I got my wish.

    I really wish people could understand that our support of one group or another in other areas of the world is not a justifiable reason to kill our citizens. Our equal rights and equal treatment of different religeous and ethnic groups is not justification either.

    Do we have a long way to go on Equal rights for Gays and Lesbians. You bet your ass. I think, politicizing the issue by identifying with the party that the majority of America does not agree with only makes opponents of equal rights for Gays and Lesbians stronger in their base. The Democratic party has many strong leaders and the Dems could easily win office again by finding a moderate position and then actually articulating that position. Unfortunately the dems don't have a solid one voice message so they don't appear as strong to the average American who will be swayed by the sound bites and not the facts.

    I also vote republican because they have a historyof paying the military for their work along the same standard as private industry. While CLinton was in office we received raises guaranteed at 2.2 percent. That was only because Bush senior pushed the bill through and the target date was one year after he left office.
    2.2 percent does not even meet inflation and by the time Clinton left office, my same occupation in the civilian community was gapped by around 10 percent and thats if you average in the cost of health care.
    We have received the most raises in the history of the countries military over the past eight years and the gap is closing down to around 5 percent.

    Thats why I voted republican.

    If the Dems push a weak hypocrit in 2008 then I will have to decide then which candidate aligns mostly with what I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    As for guns, well, they're used, according to even government figures, to stop a crime against person or property almost five times per minute in the U.S. -- that doesn't count police guns, which, BTW, rarely stop any crimes.
    That doesn't sound like "seldom" to me!
    Five times a minute? That would be 2,628,000 times a year? I guess there are no more criminals left. NRA figures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Five times a minute? That would be 2,628,000 times a year? I guess there are no more criminals left. NRA figures?
    My mother is 62 and widowed. She lives in a bi level home. She wakes at 4 am each morning to go to work. One morning last year she woke and was sitting at the kitchen table getting herself started and she heard someone trying to break into the lower floor. She proceeded to get her 9mm and walked out on the raised deck and announced what she was going to do to anyone coming in her home. That man ran like his ass was catching on fire. That was one of the five times a minute detterents. Is that criminal dead? No. SO your elementary math does not work. Please leave it there in the sixth grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Five times a minute? That would be 2,628,000 times a year? I guess there are no more criminals left. NRA figures?
    Um, most criminals suddenly remember they had something more important to do when they realize their prey is armed.

    No, not even NRA figures -- FBI now agrees on 2 to 2.5 million, and so do several other groups. NRA just compiled it from them, BTW, and academic sources.

    Another item: more criminals are apprehended by armed citizens than by police. University of Chicago, IIRC. But don't hold me to it; I'm in pain from moving the same yard of gravel twice today, by shovel, and I'm falling asleep, plus there's the thread that's turned into a quantum mechanics symposium....

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    I know I voted republican in 2000, because I wanted a better opportunity to defend Americans killed by terrorist acts. I got my wish.


    What's so cute is that you actually believe that and everything.

    I'm sure that murdering innocent peasants is a way of STOPPING Anti-Americanism. those people are all probably SO thankful that their families are dead. or maimed.

    Hey, they greeted you as liberators, right?
    Gentlemen.... Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soilwork View Post
    What's so cute is that you actually believe that and everything.

    I'm sure that murdering innocent peasants is a way of STOPPING Anti-Americanism. those people are all probably SO thankful that their families are dead. or maimed.

    Hey, they greeted you as liberators, right?
    Yeah and they looked good in sacks

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    Just as barbaric as i'd expect a Gay Republican to be.

    Thanks for not letting me down.
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    Just as barbaric as i'd expect a Gay Republican to be.

    Thanks for not letting me down.
    No problem. I have no doubt your group of misfits will gain office and then be voted off the island four years later.

    Oh the barbary.

    Oh the world is unfair.

    Meanwhile I will be in Norway married by then. Well married for real while I continue to make money off the American people. But I will still vote republican so they will give me tax breaks. You know thats what all republicans are really about, cash flows. The American dream.

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    Re: Why do some gays vote Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by mazda3boi View Post
    Yeah and they looked good in sacks
    Some would call you a pig. I'll refrain and say you are more likely a typical pug. Your typical asexual pug is also considered a perverted being and a HUGE abomination of nature.





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    Re: Why do some gays vote Republican?

    Dude... I'm Canadian.

    Do you have a short term memory problem?

    But Thanks for answering the question.

    It's because they're spoiled brats and jerks who care about nothing but themselves.

    (Oh, and I AM married for real. Crazy, huh?)
    Gentlemen.... Thank you.

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    Anyway, this is a waste of time.

    One more name to my page-long ignore list and an unsubscribe later, I'm reminded why I stay out of this forum and intentionally sabotage the lives of gay Republicans every chance I get.
    Gentlemen.... Thank you.

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    Re: Why do some gays vote Republican?

    glad i could remove something from your life

    and while you may be canadian, evidently this is very important to you

    oh it must be that west hollywood location that fools me, I understand your reluctance to live in Canada.

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    Hey, soil -- he DID get his wish... but we all got a lot more than that, too. If the U.S. had quit after deposing Saddam, we'd have been all right. Now... there might be more efficient ways of generating hate for America, but I can't think of any short of nuking someone. And now we're in a no-win situation -- something no one would wish for (I hope).

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Funny - the original question was for Gay Republicans to explain why they vote that way

    Instead, mostly obnoxious Gay Dems put in their 2 cents in an almost exclusively derogatory fashion

    Oh well

    My 2 cents

    Voting on a single issue (for example - gay marriage) means that you support an individual no matter what his stand on other important issues are - taxes, defense, abortion, education, etc. Better to weigh many issues, prioritize and vote for the candidate who best represents what you stand for.

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    What, you cute fellow you, you want people to be rational???

    Personally, I'm in a state of shock: I've almost been convinced to vote Republican for one office -- the bitch we have is SO bad it's quite tempting to vote for the lesser of two evils this time.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    *the number is now forty

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    This is an interesting thread. For me I was a Republican when I was young, and cast my first Presidential vote for Richard Nixon in 1972. I remained with the GOP until 1988, and always voted GOP for President. But in 1988, I switched to the Democrats so I could vote for Jesse Jackson in the primaries that year. I would up voting for George Bush, Sr.. that year over Michael Dukakis. The only non-Republicans for President I have voted for were Ross Perot in 1992, and Bill Clinton when he ran for re-election in 1996. But I got so ticked at both parties a few years back when they both sued to take away the wonderful open primary system CAlifornia voters put in by referendum. In the open primaries we had in 1998, and in 2000 every single candidate form all parties were listed. You could vote for whomever you chose. Then the top single vote getter for each party was listed for the General Election ballot. Well the Democrat and Republican party bosses hated this because it let more moderate candidates be selected since many Democrats crossed over to vote Republican in the primary and many Republicans did the same. The legal challenges went through the appellate courts, and each time the open primary argument won. But when the challenge reached the U.S. Supreme court they made the controversial decision to declare the California Open Primary unconsitutional, because it "supposedly" violated the "Right to Association" party membership guarantees. That was it for me with partisan politics. I am now a confirmed "Non partisan voter."
    But still I tend to lean toward voting Republican, and I have already cast my absentee ballot to (hopefully) re-elect our great Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    I have always felt a bit defensive though when my fellow gay friends find out about my Republican leanings. For me I find that homophobia is pretty evenly split between the two major parties. There are great and gay-friendly politicians on "both sides of the aisle."
    Thanks for reading this, and this is an awesome site, and a pleasure to be a small part of. Whatever your political leanings please be sure to vote on November 7th, too!

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