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    Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!


    This is HUGE news! Colorado Springs is the bedroom of "Focus on Family."
    No democrat has ever won in this district!

    From the Denver Post (via Raw Story)...

    State's 5th District a tossupRepublican, Democrat neck and neck. Events in Washington could change ownership of the seat, held by the GOP since it was created in 1972.By Erin Emery
    Denver Post Staff Writer
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    Colorado Springs - In what may be the starkest depiction yet of the challenges Republicans face in maintaining control of Congress, a new poll shows the party is fighting to hold on to a traditionally Republican seat in Colorado Springs.

    No Democrat has won in the 5th Congressional District since it was created in 1972, but Democrat Jay Fawcett is tied with Republican Doug Lamborn, according to a poll conducted for The Denver Post by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research.

    Fawcett and Lamborn each have 37 percent of the votes, while 26 percent of voters in the six-county district remain undecided. The poll was conducted Oct. 3 through Saturday and included 400 likely voters. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

    "It appears that Lamborn is now the first Republican who has ever had to fight hard to take that seat," said Bob Loevy, political-science professor at Colorado College. "A seat that should not have been competitive for the Democratic Party, as a result of a number of unusual events coming together - if the poll is correct - now appears to be competitive."

    Kate Bedingfield, spokeswoman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said she believes the scandal involving U.S. Rep. Mark Foley's sexually explicit e-mails to teen congressional pages may have influenced the poll results.

    Foley, a Florida Republican, has resigned.

    "Given the current climate, there is no such thing as a safe Republican seat," she said.

    Bedingfield declined to say, however, if the party would pump money into the race. The DCCC has a policy of not commenting on how it will spend money, she said.

    In a district where Republicans outnumber Democrats two-to-one, Lamborn has emphasized his 12-year record in the Colorado legislature and his social-conservative ideals.

    Fawcett, an Air Force Academy graduate who retired as a lieutenant colonel after 20 years in the Air Force, has stressed his expertise in the military and homeland defense, and the notion that he will listen to all people in the district, not just social conservatives.

    Loevy said a "perfect storm" may be brewing in the district. Lamborn is running for an open seat during the sixth year of an incumbent president's term and after a bitter six-way Republican primary fight. Lamborn's campaign took a blow when retiring Republican Rep. Joel Hefley, who has served the district for 20 years, declined to endorse Lamborn, saying he ran a "dishonest" and "sleazy" campaign.

    "Lamborn is going to have to work hard to hold on to it," Loevy said. "Lamborn has to motivate the people who should have been in his camp from the very beginning."

    The poll shows that Lamborn has 27 percent favorable name recognition compared with 20 percent for Fawcett. It also shows 26 percent unfavorable name recognition for Lamborn, compared with 7 percent for Fawcett. Of those polled, 13 percent did not recognize Lam born's name, compared with 41 percent for Fawcett.

    Poll called skewed

    Jon Hotaling, campaign manager for Lamborn, said the poll is flawed and skewed toward Democrats. He said internal polls show Lamborn has a "healthy" lead in the race, though he would not say how the polls are different because he "doesn't want Republicans to get complacent and not vote."

    Pollsters interviewed 47 percent Republicans, 27 percent independents and 26 percent Democrats. Secretary of state records show that as of September, the district was 46 percent Republican, 32 percent unaffiliated and 22 percent Democratic.

    "It polls too many Democrats and not enough unaffiliated voters. Our own internal polling shows that Doug has a healthy lead in this race and that we're going to continue working hard toward Election Day," Hotaling said.

    Pollster Brad Coker said the poll was of likely voters, which varies from actual voter-registration numbers.

    "Whether the Republican/ Democrat ratio is 47/26 or 46/22, it would only change the total point spread about a point - well within the margin for error," he said.

    Fawcett, 50, said the campaign has been talking to national groups about spending money on the race.

    "They've been watching the race carefully all along, waiting to see how some of these factors would play out, and as they have, they've become more and more interested," Fawcett said.

    Fawcett said his campaign will continue to reach out to Republican and independent voters. "We have to convince the voters of the 5th District that the individual matters more than the party," Fawcett said. "I think you see that that is paying off."
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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    From Colorado Confidential, a liberal Colorado political blog ...
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    It’s been more than a month since Congressional candidate Jay Fawcett released a poll showing that 41 percent of likely voters were going his way. Only 28 percent seemed willing to vote for the Republican in the race, Doug Lamborn. Another 28 percent were undecided.


    So when Fawcett supporters learned a poll commissioned by the Denver Post shows Fawcett and Lamborn running at a break-even pace — 37 percent each, with 26 percent undecided — they were delighted, but not that surprised. The results were splashed across the front page of today's Post.
    “The poll is great for everyone who doubted our poll, but it’s not news to us,” says Fawcett’s campaign manager, Wanda James. “Finally there is an independent group who is saying the same thing. What I find amazing is that we’re really so far ahead — the fact that Jay is neck-and-neck in a Republican stronghold really puts us firmly in the lead.”

    Cara DeGette :: Fawcett/Lamborn Big News, But Not For TV

    Reports state Rep. Michael Merrifield, currently El Paso County’s only elected Democrat in a partisan seat: “I am in shock and awe. “This bodes well not just for Fawcett, but for every Democrat running in El Paso County.”


    On Sept. 11, when the Fawcett-commissioned poll was released, Lamborn’s campaign manager Jon Hotaling suggested it was a “push-poll” and had been conducted using misleading questions.

    However, James rejected that, noting that results of the poll, which was conducted by New York City-based Whitman Insight Strategies, showed support for President George Bush at 62 percent, for U.S. Sen. Salazar at 57 and Hefley at 56 percent — certainly in line in a conservative district.
    Then — as now — Hotaling said that Lamborn has not conducted a similar benchmark poll, but internal polls show the Republican is doing well among Republican and unaffiliated voters. In today's Post story, Hotaling suggested that the newspaper’s poll is flawed and skewed toward Democrats, and reiterated that internal polls, which he declined to release, "show Lamborn has a ‘healthy’ lead in the race.”

    However interesting the poll may be to gauge the sentiments of the voters in the 5th Congressional District — which includes El Paso and six smaller surrounding mountain counties — many potential voters and interested citizens may not learn about it, at least from their local TV news programs. James said that, while the FOX network and print journalists have jumped on the story about the Denver Post’s poll, at least two local TV stations don't appear interested. Representatives from the NBC affiliate have indicated it won’t be covering the story; ABC representatives say they will mention the poll, but don’t plan to interview Fawcett, and, as of mid-afternoon on the day the Post story appeared, the CBS affiliate has not indicated whether it plans to follow up, James said. (UPDATE: CBS affiliate KKTV Channel 11 has notified the Fawcett campaign that it plans to report on the poll.)

    None of the local stations covered the story, James said, when the Fawcett campaign released its September poll showing the Democrat leading.

    “I guess what amazes me about all this is, there seems to be things that happen in Colorado Springs that don’t get covered not because it’s not news, but because it appears to be partisan,” she said. “I would think that media outlets would cover what is news, and this is news. It doesn't make it a liberal Democratic city just because you report it.”

    Indeed for months, observers have been rumbling about the possibility — however remote — that a Democrat could take what has long been considered a safe seat for a Republican.

    On Aug. 30, Colorado Confidential reported five reasons why Fawcett could win, according to Colorado College political science professor Tom Cronin, himself a former Democratic candidate who ran unsuccessfully in the 5th CD in 1982.
    “First, it’s an open seat,” Cronin said. “Second, [Fawcett] has military experience. Third, it was an incredibly divisive Republican primary. Fourth, there is an unusual anti-Bush Administration sentiment in the country, and finally, there is Joel Hefley’s apparent disdain for the Republican nominee.
    Meanwhile, also on Tuesday, Progress Now issued a call to Lamborn to apologize for his “unprofessional and inappropriate” outburst at an audience member at a the first congressional candidate’s debate last Saturday in Fremont County, in which he told the unidentified man to “keep your mouth shut.”



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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    go Democrats!! vota Democrat.

    keep us updated after november 7th.. this will be great if the dems win. it's about time we see a liberal america.

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    A liberal America...
    where we encourage youth to engage in crime, dumb-down our schools, and teach people to have neither dignity nor honor.

    Hmm... it just might be better than a (so-called) conservative America...
    where we arrest youth who didn't know they were committing a crime, and ask them to report on their parents, turn our schools into answer-factories where no one really learns anything but how to take tests, and only allow you dignity and honor if you're one of the proper people.

    Sorry, but neither a liberal nor a conservative version is even America in my book.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    This is HUGE news! Colorado Springs is the bedroom of "Focus on Family."
    No democrat has ever won in this district!
    Focus on the Family's deafening silence in the face of the Foley scandal might have something to do with it, if the Democrat indeed wins. Luckily, Colorado is apparently one of those states where electoral rigging is frowned upon by *everyone*, not just Dems.

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    Some of the polls I have seen seem to make this akin to 1974....its shocking that many traditional GOP districts are neck and neck at this stage...

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    Quote Originally Posted by tommyj View Post
    Some of the polls I have seen seem to make this akin to 1974....its shocking that many traditional GOP districts are neck and neck at this stage...
    The question is what the American people will do should Dems have picked up 25-50 seats in the House, but the Republicans manage to use Diebold, Sequoia, and Triad to make it seem as if they only got 13-14 (or fewer)... will they just buy it as always, and let the media give them a myriad of bullshit explanations why Dems 'couldn't make it happen', or will they finally decide to revolt... one wonders just *how much* they will take...

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    James Dobson and Christian Conservatives won't be too happy about the information in this new book .... seems like Bush and Rove are treating them like five dollar whores. Take a look at this video link:

    Exclusive: Playing Christians for fools:

    Oct. 11: “Countdown” has obtained a copy of new book that suggests the White House repeatedly uses evangelical Christians for their votes, while consistently given them nothing in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homoaffectional View Post
    The question is what the American people will do should Dems have picked up 25-50 seats in the House, but the Republicans manage to use Diebold, Sequoia, and Triad to make it seem as if they only got 13-14 (or fewer)... will they just buy it as always, and let the media give them a myriad of bullshit explanations why Dems 'couldn't make it happen', or will they finally decide to revolt... one wonders just *how much* they will take...
    Hmmmm..... when this happens 'as always', do you plan to provide any evidence, maybe more than an RFK editorial, to this effect? You've stated in several threads that if Democrats do not meet your expectations (winning the House and Senate), that it must be voter fraud.

    Well, just personally, I think if the GOP doesn't take 60% of the seats, the Libertarians 25%, and the Greens the remaining 15%, then by golly I think it's voter fraud. Couldn't have anything to do with GOP incompetence or the lack of acceptance of 3rd parties within the American political landscape. Sure, you may disagree with me, but we're working from a similar set of evidence, aren't we?

    As for the thread at hand, I find it hard to believe that there is so much breathless surprise in this forum that an Air Force officer is polling well in Colorado Springs. While it would be a rare, shocking, change for a Democratic campaign, you should consider the possibility that the voters might actually be voter for your guy, and not against the other one. Heck, it would be a pleasant change for both parties to try that approach for awhile, wouldn't it?

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    So Maltese, are you still trying to blame others for your voting Republican, still asserting that making assertions about 95% of Republican voters is making generalizations about "200 million people" and still avoiding the Foley threads like the plague?

    Why would all the above be true, I wonder...?

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    Quote Originally Posted by Homoaffectional View Post
    So Maltese, are you still trying to blame others for your voting Republican, still asserting that making assertions about 95% of Republican voters is making generalizations about "200 million people" and still avoiding the Foley threads like the plague?

    Why would all the above be true, I wonder...?
    No, but you're still making inane interpretations of other people's comments (I. Have. Not. Ever. Blamed. Anyone. For. My. Own. Vote.) and insisting on discussing what you think of other people rather than intelligently commenting on issues.

    And yes, gross generalizations about millions of people are still gross generalizations and stereotypes born of your own biases.

    Wonder about me all you will, no doubt the contemplation will give you pleasure. The rest of us will wonder about the threads at hand.

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    As for the thread at hand, I find it hard to believe that there is so much breathless surprise in this forum that an Air Force officer is polling well in Colorado Springs. While it would be a rare, shocking, change for a Democratic campaign, you should consider the possibility that the voters might actually be voter for your guy, and not against the other one. Heck, it would be a pleasant change for both parties to try that approach for awhile, wouldn't it?
    Actually, it is noteworthy. Colorado Springs has a Stephen King's "The Stand" sort of importance to religious extremists. From NPR:

    Quote Originally Posted by NPR
    Not long ago, Colorado Springs was a fairly small typical Western town with a mix of military people, blue-collar workers and a few colorful characters looking to escape city life. But today, it's a booming city that's home to more than 100 evangelical Christian organizations.

    The city has become a special place for evangelical Christians, like Ted Haggard, pastor of the 11,000-member New Life Church and president of the National Association of Evangelicals.
    Kooky Rev . Dobson's Focus (bof' us?) on the Family is headquartered there, too. The city as enacted the usual nutty laws that the American Taliban tries to force us all to live under, too, like mandatory wearing of veils, public flogging, concealed weaponry, etc. So, yes, it's a surprise and a real treat to see a Dem doing well in Jalalabad West, if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Kooky Rev . Dobson's Focus (bof' us?) on the Family is headquartered there, too. The city as enacted the usual nutty laws that the American Taliban tries to force us all to live under, too, like mandatory wearing of veils, public flogging, concealed weaponry, etc. So, yes, it's a surprise and a real treat to see a Dem doing well in Jalalabad West, if you will.
    Why, Alfie, you shouldn't be surprised. With all those radical 'God & Country' voters, the Dems are finally running a candidate who seems to approve of at least one - that merits a reward at the polls! Your boys should try it more often.

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    Colorado Springs is an interesting place. I rather enjoyed my experience in Colorado Springs, but then again the incredible sex may have had something to do with it. ( Miguel!)

    There is one gay bar in the entire city, but if you look in the phone book there are quite a few. That's because every room at the "Hide-N-Seek Lounge" has a different name and they try to pass them off as seperate bars.

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    Should Jay win this race......it would be a huge loss -4- da GOP..........Colorado Springs being home to the US Air Force Academy.......& a hot-bed for Republican bs...............-U- go Jay..........

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    Blast it, Yuki!
    I was going to post something meaningful, but now it's lost to the world -- I got a glimpse of that middle pic in your siggie, and there went my mind, off in oo-la-la! land.


    BTW, I have to express surprise at Alfie for complaining about concealed carry laws, but then I agree with him -- the whole country needs Vermont-style carry-as-you-please-but-God-help-you-if-you-commit-a-crime-with-it! law!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    BTW, I have to express surprise at Alfie for complaining about concealed carry laws, but then I agree with him -- the whole country needs Vermont-style carry-as-you-please-but-God-help-you-if-you-commit-a-crime-with-it! law!

    I don't care about people carrying weapons and never have, so long as the local community's wishes are adhered to, and those who use guns in commission of a crime be incarcerated for a long time. Having said that, it's rare for city of close to 400,000 people to permit concealed weapons and as such it serves as testament to its conservatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    I don't care about people carrying weapons and never have, so long as the local community's wishes are adhered to, and those who use guns in commission of a crime be incarcerated for a long time. Having said that, it's rare for city of close to 400,000 people to permit concealed weapons and as such it serves as testament to its conservatism.
    Sounds like you put "the community" above human rights.
    I suppose allowing concealed weapons counts as conservative in one sense; in the proper sense, of conserving our values, a conservative city would allow carrying in whatever manner a person might wish -- concealed or open -- without any red tape such as licensing. That is, after all, what the Second Amendment means.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    I certainly don't mind the side conversation about concealed weapons laws, as the original topic has run it's course - but if you all would like to split this off to a new thread I'd be happy to do that.

    We've had a state-wide concealed weapons law in effect in Kentucky for a long time. There was a furor when it was enacted; many people eblieved it would lead to more shootings and more arrests. But that hasn't been the case. I can't recall one news story of where any of the fears have been realized here.

    And while Kentucky is a conservative state, there are many "blue" zones, including Lexington. We're about the same size as Colorado Springs. And my experience has been that the issue of gun control is not unlike the various smoking ordinances. Tobacco and guns are, for now, legal. In fact guns are protected by the Constitution.

    With so many issues on the table for this election cycle, I just don't see concealed weapons as being a winning issue for the Dems. But there are steps that can be tightened on the existing laws, particularly the sale of guns during gun shows.

    At present in Kentucky and many other states, it is legal to sell guns at flea markets and call it a "gun show." The standard background check, I believe, is waived for purchases at gun shows.

    There is absolutely no reason for guns to be sold at flea markets, and we could tighten up that law, and probably some others, too.
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    Re: Democrat May Win Colorado Springs Cong. District: GOP Has Held Seat Since 1972!

    Maybe a new thread is in order....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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