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    Foley, and the democrats past sex scandals

    I've been reading on here lately about the bashing of Foley and the republicans. I would be willing to bet that if the case was reversed and Foley was a Democrat you all would be defending him like crazy. Over the years democrats have embraced and even re-elected congressman who were arrested and or convicted of sex crimes. Some of which were underage. Foley is a republican and should not have been what he was doing. My question to you left leaning people is why are there double standards for democrats? Why are democrats allowed to do these things? Here is a list of democrats breaking the law for your viewing pleasure.

    Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

    Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrestedin 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

    Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

    Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

    Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corpsvolunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

    Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

    Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

    Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

    Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshane View Post
    He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms
    I don't know about the rest of them but this is a lie. The relationship was consensual and the man was not underage, he was of legal age.

    Hmmm, that seems like a short list.

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    if there is a double standard, it's wrong. there shouldn't be. however, i think the vast majority of D.C politicians (republican and democrats) are a bunch of lying, unethical, people who should all be thrown out of office. But that is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshane View Post
    Why are democrats allowed to do these things? Here is a list of democrats breaking the law for your viewing
    Who says Democrats are allowed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattieMich View Post
    I don't know about the rest of them but this is a lie. The relationship was consensual and the man was not underage, he was of legal age.
    The male page Gerry Studds had sex with was 17, thus a minor, but is legal for the age of consent is 16.

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    I think arguments like these are just stereotyping. And stereotyping is pathetic, no matter who says it. I wasn't even alive in 1976, I was one year old in 1989, and two years old in 1990 (the newest example you have is 16 years old).

    And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a car.

    Hypotheticals are stupid. You don't know how I or anyone else would react if a democrat had done EXACTLY what foley had, namely be the co-chair of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children and had IMed a 16 year old PAGE sexually explicit messages among other stuff. You're mostly comparing stuff that happened at least 16 years ago, and that was nowhere near what foley did. You can't compare things like that.

    And I really don't know anything specific, but things like "Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation." are just plain vague. You're not giving us all the facts. Does that mean that they proved the women were liars? what the hell is "casting doubt"? and what's wrong with that? people accusing someone doesn't make them guilty.


    In short, your argument is irrelevant.

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    Re: Foley, and the democrats past sex scandals

    Your cut and paste from a right wing smear site is full of shit.

    First, Clinton did not pardon Mel Reynolds for sexual abuse crimes, for which Reynolds served time and was released. Your apology is awaited. Reynolds was pardoned of something else entirely, not for the sexual crimes for which he served his full sentence.

    Second, right now a Republican congressman in Pennsyvania is running ads for apologizing for abusing his mistress. And the list of omission from your list, all Republican, betrays there is noithing with integrity in what you have posted.

    Studds - censored by the House uner Democratic leadership the same day that Republican Crane was censored for having sex with a female page - you forgot that tidbit - was censored under Democratic leadership that did not have to wait for ABC News to act before they did - they acted with ethics as soon as they knew, unlike the current irresponsible House leadership which only acted when forced as they tried to cover up to save a House seat.

    And who is the Republican leadership? hastert whogot the job when Livingston had to step away after the details of his affairs came out after getting the job when Gingrich left after he told his second wife while she was in the hospital that he was leaving her for his mistress, the current Mrs. Gingrich.

    Whatever right wing site you cut and pasted for, I always expect better from our community to parrot right wing bullshit, distortions, and lies. You should not be feeling any pride tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland00 View Post
    The male page Gerry Studds had sex with was 17, thus a minor, but is legal for the age of consent is 16.
    The first post said he was underage, he was not. It was not worded as 'minor'.

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    Based on some of the convoluted defenses from Foley/Hastert apologists I've been reading lately, it seems that the GOP has now become the party of moral relativism. It will be curious to see if the so-called "values voters" stay loyal to the party whose only remaining "value" seems to be hypocrisy.

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    PS there was no evidence on Gus Savage. An accusation is not proff nor a conviction. That is why the matter was dismissed, it was a bogus charge.

    Franks cashiered his friend when he found out what was happening. Franks was in no way invo;ved. Should we censure you for whom you assoicate with when your associates do things without your knowledge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattieMich View Post
    The first post said he was underage, he was not. It was not worded as 'minor'.
    Either it was bad writting, or an attempt to spin. I don't care, I am just illuminating the situation with the truth, or at least the truth to my knowledge.

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    I can't believe there was a list of dem sex scandals and not one mention of Ted Kennedy...no Mary Joe? No Palms Springs? No Gary Hart? Do I have to do EVERYTHING??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattieMich View Post
    I can't believe there was a list of dem sex scandals and not one mention of Ted Kennedy...no Mary Joe? No Palms Springs? No Gary Hart? Do I have to do EVERYTHING??
    yes, but when you do post those please include

    Rep. Jon Hinson (R-Miss.)
    On Aug. 8, 1980, during his first reelection bid, Hinson stunned everyone by announcing that in 1976 he had been accused of committing an obscene act at a gay haunt in Virginia. Hinson, married and a strong conservative, added that in 1977 he had survived a fire in a gay D.C. movie theater. He was making the disclosure, he said, because he needed to clear his conscience. But he denied he was a homosexual and refused GOP demands that he resign. Hinson won reelection in a three-way race, with 39 percent of the vote. But three months later, he was arrested on charges of attempted oral sodomy in the restroom of a House office building. He resigned his seat on April 13, 1981

    Bauman campaign button Rep. Robert Bauman (R-Md.)
    On Oct. 3, 1980, Bauman, a leading "pro-family" conservative, pleaded innocent to a charge that he committed oral sodomy on a teenage boy in Washington. Married and the father of four, Bauman conceded that he had been an alcoholic but had been seeking treatment. The news came as a shock to voters of the rural, conservative district, and he lost to a Democrat in November.

    1981

    Rep. Thomas Evans (R-Del.)
    The Wilmington News-Journal reported on March 6, 1981, that three House members – Evans, Tom Railsback (R-Ill.) and Dan Quayle (R-Ind.) – shared a cottage during a 1980 vacation in Florida with Paula Parkinson, a lobbyist who later posed for Playboy magazine. All three proceeded to vote against federal crop-insurance legislation that Parkinson had been lobbying against, and questions were raised whether votes were exchanged for sex. Railsback and Quayle denied having sex with her. Evans said he regretted his "association" with Parkinson and asked his family and God to forgive him. But he forgot to include the voters, who in 1982 threw him out of office.

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    Reps. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Gerry Studds (D-Mass.)
    The House ethics committee on July 14, 1983, announced that Crane and Studds had sexual relationships with teenage congressional pages – Crane with a 17-year-old female in 1980, Studds with a 17-year-old male in 1973. Both admitted the charges that same day, and Studds acknowledged he was gay. The committee voted to reprimand the two, but a back-bench Georgia Republican named Newt Gingrich argued that they should be expelled. The full House voted on July 20 instead to censure the two, the first time that ever happened for sexual misconduct. Crane, married and the father of six, was tearful in his apology to the House, while Studds refused to apologize. Crane's conservative district voted him out in 1984, while the voters in Studds's more liberal district were more forgiving. Studds won reelection in 1984 with 56 percent of the vote, and continued to win until he retired in 1996.

    1987

    Rep. Ernie Konnyu (R-Calif.)
    In August 1987, two former Konnyu aides complained to the San Jose Mercury News that the freshman Republican had sexually harassed them. GOP leaders were unhappy with Konnyu's temperament to begin with, so it took little effort to find candidates who would take him on in the primary. Stanford professor Tom Campbell ousted Konnyu the following June.

    1989

    Rep. Donald "Buz" Lukens (R-Ohio)
    On Feb. 1, 1989, an Ohio TV station aired a videotape of a confrontation between Lukens, a conservative activist, and the mother of a Columbus teenager. The mother charged that Lukens had been paying to have sex with her daughter since she was 13. On May 26, Lukens was found guilty of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to one month in jail. Infuriating his fellow Republicans, Lukens refused to resign. But he finished a distant third in the May 1990 primary. Instead of spending the remaining months of his term in obscurity, Lukens was accused of fondling a Capitol elevator operator and he resigned on October 24, 1990.

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    Rep. Arlan Stangeland (R-Minn.)
    It was reported in January 1990 that Stangeland, married with seven children, had made several hundred long-distance phone calls in 1986 and 1987 on his House credit card to or from the residences of a female lobbyist. Stangeland acknowledged the calls and conceded some of them may have been personal. But he insisted the relationship was not romantic. Voters of his rural district were not buying, choosing a Democrat in November.


    Sen. Bob Packwood (R-Ore.)
    Less than three weeks after Packwood narrowly won a fifth term, the Washington Post on Nov. 22, 1992, reported allegations from 10 female ex-staffers that Packwood had sexually harassed them. The Post had the story before the election, but didn't run it as Packwood had denied the charges. With the story now out in the open, Packwood said that if any of his actions were "unwelcome," he was "sincerely sorry." He then sought alcohol counseling. But his longtime feminist allies were outraged, and with more women coming forward with horror stories, there were calls for his resignation. It wasn't until September of 1995 when, faced with the prospect of public Senate hearings and a vote to expel, Packwood announced his resignation.

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    how many times must this be said before the right-wingers allow some sense to penetrate their skulls? THE BIG ISSUE WITH FOLEY IS THAT HE'S A FAMILY VALUES REPUBLICAN...AND THAT MAKES HIM A HYPOCRITE. DEMOCRATS DON'T GO AROUND PREACHING VALUES AND ATTACKING THEIR OPPONENTS AS IMMORAL. this is a huge story because of the hypocrisy angle...i know that word is new to republicans so look it up.
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    Dems only believe in free speech when it's them speaking.

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    and repukeicans can't answer a simple question about their hypocrisy cause they're morally bankrupt.

    i guess soliciting minors online is now free speech...wow, you really are the party of pervs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    how many times must this be said before the right-wingers allow some sense to penetrate their skulls? THE BIG ISSUE WITH FOLEY IS THAT HE'S A FAMILY VALUES REPUBLICAN...AND THAT MAKES HIM A HYPOCRITE. DEMOCRATS DON'T GO AROUND PREACHING VALUES AND ATTACKING THEIR OPPONENTS AS IMMORAL. this is a huge story because of the hypocrisy angle...i know that word is new to republicans so look it up.
    Calm down.

    Foley is now no longer involved in any politics since he resigned. Yes he is a hypocrite, but since he is no longer involved, I don't think it really matters if he is a hypocrite.

    Now the only remaining news worthy part of the foley case is whether Hastert and any other leading republicans of the house knew about this behavior and did nothing. If this is so they are hypocrites, but until then only Foley is a hypocrite.

    People focusing only on calling Republicans hypocrites right now seems too much like neener neener you hear from a child. It is a person who delights in the misfortune or hypocrisy of others. If the Democratic Leadership is intelligent they won't try to focus only on the hypocricy of Republicans now, instead they will say what happened is unfortunate and unethical and promise an investigation and reform of the page system. Condeming the act, but not focusing only on the scandal. Then they would say they would like to get back to the real issues that affect america. They can make a single quip about how successful the Republicans in their single mindness have been on their moral crusade, that it lead to neglience to the other issues that are affecting America. By doing so it makes the Democrats seem like leaders, and people vote for leaders.

    They then do not bring up the issue of the Foley scandal again until Republicans try to say how they are morally superior to Democrats. By doing so it appears that the Democrats want to actually fix the problems that face America and that the Republicans just want to play a game of spin. If done correctly it shuts down the Republican attack, and leaves egg on the Republican faces.

    Else its just more political tug o war, and thus no new voters are swayed to the democrat side, voter allegiance remains the same as it was before the scandal. Only difference is that you might have some reduced turn out in the midterms comming out in a month, and this reduced turn out was going to happen regardless of what Democrats said, it was going to just happened due to their being a scandal in the first place.

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    I've done the reading,looked at several sources...and while Rep.Studds I believe was guilty of bad judgement,consensual or not,legal age at the time or not..he was quickly censured by the House at the time and everything was out in the open,there was no leadership coverup.The subsequent reelection to five terms was the choice of his constituents...he claimed it was nobody's business,but subordinate-boss relationships,especially where legal age was just met,is wrong because of the potential abuse of power.His conduct since then,however,has been pretty exemplary,and he is currently in a longstanding relationship.

    The Republican leadership and Mr.foley have acted far worse in this farce..the Democrats did have corruption problems of course,but handled the joint Studds/Republican Rep.Philip Crane page incidents at that time with seriousness of purpose and gravitas,handing both censurings from the house of Representatives for their actions,and not passing the buck and hiding their heads in the sand,hoping all will go harmlessly away.The Republicans of today most certainly did the opposite,passing blame and saying so and so knew but not the leadership,or the leaders knew much earlier and had wanted to bring pressure on Foley to stop his inappropriate interest,or everyone knew Foley was gay..or whatever other version someone was coming up with.plain truth is they did nothing....by allowing this cancer to fester and worsen,the worst happened.If they lose part or all of control of Congress,it will be deserved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland00 View Post
    Calm down.

    Foley is now no longer involved in any politics since he resigned. Yes he is a hypocrite, but since he is no longer involved, I don't think it really matters if he is a hypocrite.

    Now the only remaining news worthy part of the foley case is whether Hastert and any other leading republicans of the house knew about this behavior and did nothing. If this is so they are hypocrites, but until then only Foley is a hypocrite.

    People focusing only on calling Republicans hypocrites right now seems too much like neener neener you hear from a child. It is a person who delights in the misfortune or hypocrisy of others. If the Democratic Leadership is intelligent they won't try to focus only on the hypocricy of Republicans now, instead they will say what happened is unfortunate and unethical and promise an investigation and reform of the page system. Condeming the act, but not focusing only on the scandal. Then they would say they would like to get back to the real issues that affect america. They can make a single quip about how successful the Republicans in their single mindness have been on their moral crusade, that it lead to neglience to the other issues that are affecting America. By doing so it makes the Democrats seem like leaders, and people vote for leaders.

    They then do not bring up the issue of the Foley scandal again until Republicans try to say how they are morally superior to Democrats. By doing so it appears that the Democrats want to actually fix the problems that face America and that the Republicans just want to play a game of spin. If done correctly it shuts down the Republican attack, and leaves egg on the Republican faces.

    Else its just more political tug o war, and thus no new voters are swayed to the democrat side, voter allegiance remains the same as it was before the scandal. Only difference is that you might have some reduced turn out in the midterms comming out in a month, and this reduced turn out was going to happen regardless of what Democrats said, it was going to just happened due to their being a scandal in the first place.

    you keep forgetting that congressional votes have generally been split 50-50 nationwide for the last decade or so...all it takes is a small movement in one direction for a landslide like the one republicans had in 1994. and after all this garbage in the last 2 years, i doubt anyone is gonna be turned off if the dems bring up the foley issue. in fact it'll energize their base...tho i would wait til the last few days if i were them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bshane
    I've been reading on here lately about the bashing of Foley and the republicans. I would be willing to bet that if the case was reversed and Foley was a Democrat you all would be defending him like crazy.


    Well it isn't reversed, Mary, now is it? No, it isn't -- this is 100% GOP. How typical of the hard right to make up these weird and non-existent arguments. "Take it man," that's what America's saying to your party -- perhaps you should listen.

    Further, count your party's lucky Porky Pig Patriot Republican stars that more shit isn't being investigated.


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    People focusing only on calling Republicans hypocrites right now seems too much like neener neener you hear from a child. It is a person who delights in the misfortune or hypocrisy of others. If the Democratic Leadership is intelligent they won't try to focus only on the hypocricy of Republicans now, instead they will say what happened is unfortunate and unethical and promise an investigation and reform of the page system. Condeming the act, but not focusing only on the scandal. Then they would say they would like to get back to the real issues that affect america. They can make a single quip about how successful the Republicans in their single mindness have been on their moral crusade, that it lead to neglience to the other issues that are affecting America. By doing so it makes the Democrats seem like leaders, and people vote for leaders.
    I think the Democrats have played this very wisely -- I don't see Nancy Pelosi on all the yap shows, talking about "Demon Pugs," nor need the Dems really do anything. After all, as Churchill said, when your mortal enemy is drowning in quicksand, you needn't jump in after him with a knife. Besides, why distract America from the center ring of this three ring GOP circus? Why interrupt America's revulsion at what they are learning about the corrupt, amoral and bankrupt GOP?

    This freak show and amorality play is rapidly shifting from being about perverted ex-Congressman to a full-bore drama about just how unaccountable and reckless the Republicans really are. Here we have the Speaker of the House, the third in succession to the president, holed up in his house, his only outlet to the nation being his very strange phone-ins to Rush and Shawn. What better example of how unsuitable for leadership could one ask than for Hastert to blame the Democrats for a GOP scandal? The man appears like a lunatic. The supporting cast of freaks and misfits in the House leadership is doing their part, showing America how imperative it is to reject these fools at the ballot box next month and to return the moderate, stable Democrats to power.



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    i only disagree general in that this is not yet a bore...sex scandals never are. especially when it involves hypocrtical and amoral conservatives. i think even conservatives must secretly enjoy the exposure of conservative hypocrites. certainly the bay buchanans seem to be having a lot of fun bashing their own...they probably see it as a chance to "purify" their party.
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    I would be willing to bet that if the case was reversed and Foley was a Democrat you all would be defending him like crazy.


    That is the whole point, he is not a democrat! The democrats weren't the ones trying to cover it up.

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    Hey, I'm a Democrat and I'm defending Foley anyway. I don't think what he did was so terrible, at least from what's been revealed so far. It looks like he waited until they were no longer pages, he never laid a finger on them, and some of them at least were of perfectly legal age.

    I reserve the right to change my opinion if we find out he did worse stuff than this.

    But be aware guys -- this is a great scandal for the Democratic Party, but not for gay people. You can bet the chance of the GOP nominating anybody who they think is probably gay will now be approximately zero for some years to come.

    Not to mention gay staffers, who have played a big role on Capitol Hill. All of which is a loss for us.

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    ^^^ Oops, OK, I have to amend that slightly after reading about the ex-page he actually did manage to have sex with. But the guy was 21 at the time.

    I still say, beware. Don't be surprised if this thing leads to a quiet purge of gay employees on Capitol Hill. Or at least a "hiring freeze" on gay people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattieMich View Post
    The first post said he was underage, he was not. It was not worded as 'minor'.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

    Gerry Eastman Studds (born May 12, 1937) is a retired American politician, born in Mineola, New York. He served as a Democratic Congressman for Massachusetts from 1973 until 1997. He was the first openly homosexual member of the US Congress and, more generally, the first openly gay national politician in the US. In 1983, he admitted to having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old male page in 1973 and was censured by the House of Representatives.

    Congressional page sex scandal
    Studds was a central figure in the 1983 Congressional page sex scandal, when he and Representative Dan Crane were censured by the House of Representatives for separate sexual relationships with minors – in Studds's case, a 1973 relationship with a 17-year-old male congressional page who was of the age of legal consent, according to state law at the time. The relationship was consensual, but presented ethical concerns relating to working relationships with subordinates.
    During the course of the House Ethics Committee's investigation, Studds publicly acknowledged his homosexuality, a disclosure that, according to a Washington Post article, "apparently was not news to many of his constituents." Studds stated in an address to the House, "It is not a simple task for any of us to meet adequately the obligations of either public or private life, let alone both, but these challenges are made substantially more complex when one is, as I am, both an elected public official and gay." He acknowledged that it had been inappropriate to engage in a relationship with a subordinate, and said his actions represented "a very serious error in judgement."[1]
    The House voted to censure Studds, on July 20, 1983, by a vote of 420-3. While Studds has often been reported as having "turned his back on the House" as the House read its censure motion aloud,[2] contemporary reports made it clear that in contrast to Crane, who faced the House as the motion for his censure was read, Studds faced the Speaker who was actually reading the motion, with his back to the other members.[3] Also in contrast to Crane, who left the chamber after his censure, Studds rejoined the other members of the House after his censure was read.[3] In addition to the censure, the Democratic leadership stripped Studds of his chairmanship of the House Merchant Marine subcommittee. Studds was later appointed chair of the House Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries.
    Studds received standing ovations, not in Congress as has been reported, but in his home district at his first town meeting following his congressional censure.[4]

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    <LI id=_note-time>^ Housecleaning, Time, July 25, 1983 <LI id=_note-0>^ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/03/FOLEY.TMP <LI id=_note-NYT>^ a b Roberts, Steven V.. "House Censures Crane and Studds For Sexual Relations With Pages", New York Times, 1983-07-21, pp. A1, B22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_n_herrin
    if there is a double standard, it's wrong. there shouldn't be. however, i think the vast majority of D.C politicians (republican and democrats) are a bunch of lying, unethical, people who should all be thrown out of office. But that is my opinion.
    Actually I agree with you, I think they are all a bunch a lying crooks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    you keep forgetting that congressional votes have generally been split 50-50 nationwide for the last decade or so...all it takes is a small movement in one direction for a landslide like the one republicans had in 1994. and after all this garbage in the last 2 years, i doubt anyone is gonna be turned off if the dems bring up the foley issue. in fact it'll energize their base...tho i would wait til the last few days if i were them.
    Thats the thing, I am looking on how the democrats will generate additional votes from this issue, instead of just preserving the status quo. The damage done by the foley scandal to the Republican base has already been done, any additionall harping on the issue will actually be counter productive for the republican congressmans and republican conmentors will just use religous right deep hatred/resentment of the democrats to energize their base. They won't stay home for their people are scumbags, no they must vote for they must help slay the secular movement, and that means voting against the Ds

    The religious right aren't they people the democrats are attracting with the tactics I listed above, its the moderate voters who care about other issues. Its the moderates in Ohio who right now there biggest interest is the vast lost of manufacturing jobs over the last decade. These are the people that the Democrats are able to convert to Ds for one election or permanmently if they just realized it.

    No this won't be a huge political shift that will change the future of the Democrats forever, its just a small bump. Problem is Ds haven't been idiots, and haven't learned on how to capitalize on those small bumps for decades

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    The difference between this scandal and past democratic scandals is the involvement of the republican leadership in this one. By not telling the democtatic member of the page oversight committee about the e-mails the leadership at a minimum thought there was something here that they would rather not be made public.

    If Denny Hastert thought enough about the more innocent e-mails to tell Foley to knock it off one wonders why he didn't remove Foley from the committee that dealt with missing or exploited children. If I could ask Hastert one question that would be it....how could you leave a guy like that in a position like that?

    Until I hear an explaination from him I must believe that they left Foley to guard the henhouse because it was easier that having to explain why he was removed. If there was a cover-up that is where it began.

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    Oh come on people. Sex scandals in Washington are as old as the city itself. No one actually cares about them unless it is an election year - and if the State is stacked heavily enough, like Massachusetts, its pointless to even care, the guy will be re-elected. If any gain can be made, the party that can benefit grasps at the story, and tries to paint an ugly picture of the whole opposing party. It's what political sex scandals are, and always will be, deal with it.

    The only difference between parties is that Republicans are more likely to resign with their tail between their legs. Democrats are more likely to pretend their sexual liasons never happened.

    No group of people will ever have the true, real moral highground, since they are groups of people. Even if one party promotes moral values, people, universally, sometimes in conflict with their ideals, will violate morality.

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    Um, I know I for one woul NOT be defending him just because of his political affiliation and it is quite offensive you think many of us would. Political affiliation does not garner you more or less sympathy in this kind of situation.

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    LOL...do brits even know about this scandal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    LOL...do brits even know about this scandal?
    Yes, I am in government and politics for A Level so I keep up with these things.

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    good...i minored in poltical science...it's what i shoulda gone into. i'm sure in europe, you guys wouldn't even blink about a sex scandal.
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    Oh, they blink, they blink! Sex scandals been all over the front pages of the British tabloids in the past. Maybe by now nobody gives a rat's ass. But then I don't think they've ever had one quite like this one either.

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    All politicians lie and are huge scumbags by nature, regardless of left right affiliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyzeAbove View Post
    All politicians lie and are huge scumbags by nature, regardless of left right affiliation.
    Damn right, few if any of them actually give a fuck about anything besides getting more power.
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    I'm really more pissed at the man for being a gay who votes for anti-gay legislation, regardless of his party.

    Actually, this sex scandal just made me aware of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDsmagik View Post
    I'm really more pissed at the man for being a gay who votes for anti-gay legislation, regardless of his party.

    Actually, this sex scandal just made me aware of it.
    Which anti-gay legislation was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackFTwist View Post
    Whatever right wing site you cut and pasted for, I always expect better from our community to parrot right wing bullshit, distortions, and lies. You should not be feeling any pride tonight.
    I think he posted that because posting from left wing sites is very common here, and so many of our (very loud and numerous) left wing cheerleaders act as though they're perfect, the Democrats are infallible and immaculate, and the like.
    And if you approve of all those, but pounce on one because it's right wing, then YOU are the one who shouldn't be feeling any pride tonight.

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    Which anti-gay legislation was that?
    Oh please Mary..............like you have to ask (as long as we're including past sex scandals. Whats that river in Egypt called...? Oh yeah de-nile)

    Ed Schrock has been one of the most conservative Republicans in Washington D.C. - so staunch in his cultural conservatism that his voting record earned a 92 percent approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Mr. Schrock not only voted for outlawing same-sex marriage, he actually co-sponsored the Federal Marriage Amendment, a piece of legislation that would have made same sex marriage automatically illegal nationwide.

    In his time in Congress, Schrock has sought every possible opportunity to persecute gays and lesbians. For example, Congressman Schrock made a big deal about publicizing his opposition to Bill Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, which attempted to prevent discrimination against gays and lesbians in the United States military. In his speeches against toleration of gays and lesbians in the military, Ed Schrock raised his voice to a shrill pitch in order to emphasize how icky he believed homosexuals to be. "You're in the showers with them!" he screeched. "You're in the bunk room with them, you're in staterooms with them!"

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    Robert Bauman - Republican is perhaps most famous for his well-publicized fall from political grace. Bauman had established a reputation as a strong conservative, often bemoaning the perceived moral decay in the United States. He was a founding member of several conservative activist groups, including Young Americans for Freedom and the American Conservative Union. He frequently placed blame on homosexuals, so it was doubly surprising when Bauman was arrested in October of 1980 for attempting to solicit sex from a 16-year old male prostitute, contributing to his electoral defeat one month later. Bauman was renominated in 1982, but withdrew from the race, and a year later came out as openly gay.

    Bauman is a frequent target of ridicule among liberal groups, who often point to his hypocrisy in blaming gays for moral decay while simultaneously being gay himself.

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    Robin Vanderwall
    According to the Virginian-Pilot, Robin Vanderwall, "a third-year law student at Regent University, who helped run several successful campaigns for local Republicans, was arrested Jan. 10 and charged with two counts of soliciting sex with a minor over the Internet." Yup, another fine, upstanding member of the party of family values has been caught with his pants down. But stand by for the shocking twist! Among others, Robin Vanderwall ran the campaign of none other than... Del. Robert F. McDonnell, this week's Idiot Number 6. That's right, the man who wants to enforce a no-oral-and-anal-sex law employed an alleged pedophile for a campaign manager. "He did a very good job in my campaign,'' McDonnell said last week. "He was diligent and a hard worker. I am shocked by the accusations.''

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    The kind of "yapping" that goes on in this forum is why Americans can't get anything accomplised politically. This is not about Republicans nor what Democrats may or may not have done in the past. Of course, the Republican Party is about family values and morals; however, this is strictly about Foley and what he did not about the party per se.

    I certainly do not support the Republican party; however, to try to lay blame on the party itself makes no sense whatsoever politically. Remember that you heard it here: this will not affect the election in Novembre except for possibly gaining a seat in Florida. The Dems will not win the numbre of seats in Congress to be in majority rule as a result of this scandal. They will have to do other things to achieve that goal; and as much as I support the Dems in the United States, they have yet to bring anything forward that they can do to change the adminstration, ergo, most of the electorate follows Bush and Company down the road to destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddog View Post
    Robert Bauman - Republican is perhaps most famous for his well-publicized fall from political grace. Bauman had established a reputation as a strong conservative, often bemoaning the perceived moral decay in the United States. He was a founding member of several conservative activist groups, including Young Americans for Freedom and the American Conservative Union. He frequently placed blame on homosexuals, so it was doubly surprising when Bauman was arrested in October of 1980 for attempting to solicit sex from a 16-year old male prostitute, contributing to his electoral defeat one month later. Bauman was renominated in 1982, but withdrew from the race, and a year later came out as openly gay.

    Bauman is a frequent target of ridicule among liberal groups, who often point to his hypocrisy in blaming gays for moral decay while simultaneously being gay himself.
    If he were honest, he'd confess, "Yes, I am a contributor to the moral decay of America." If he was really honest, he'd add, "You should have known that all along; after all, I'm a politician."

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by crlcxll View Post
    The kind of "yapping" that goes on in this forum is why Americans can't get anything accomplised politically.
    If you're part of the problem, and you are, then you're not part of the solution. Perhaps rather than beating your lips you should beat al-Queda, huh? Oh, wouldn't THAT be fun, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    If you're part of the problem, and you are, then you're not part of the solution. Perhaps rather than beating your lips you should beat al-Queda, huh? Oh, wouldn't THAT be fun, eh?
    Leaving the Yapper-in-Chief to go on sending OTHER people out, so he can not have to.
    Alfie, you look more and more like you have the character of Bush.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    ^ So sayeth Barbra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crlcxll View Post
    The kind of "yapping" that goes on in this forum is why Americans can't get anything accomplised politically. This is not about Republicans nor what Democrats may or may not have done in the past. Of course, the Republican Party is about family values and morals; however, this is strictly about Foley and what he did not about the party per se.

    I certainly do not support the Republican party; however, to try to lay blame on the party itself makes no sense whatsoever politically. Remember that you heard it here: this will not affect the election in Novembre except for possibly gaining a seat in Florida. The Dems will not win the numbre of seats in Congress to be in majority rule as a result of this scandal. They will have to do other things to achieve that goal; and as much as I support the Dems in the United States, they have yet to bring anything forward that they can do to change the adminstration, ergo, most of the electorate follows Bush and Company down the road to destruction.
    Oh, that's a nice safe prediction. To be accurate, even if wrong, one need only say that it was not "as a result of this scandal".

    Go back and read my predictions from 2004. I did not play it safe, and I turned out to be right in almost every particular.

    One of the more controversial things which I said was that America needed a full two terms of this Administration to see what they really are, where their policies in fact lead, and to see almost their entire platform widely discredited.

    Well, I was wrong. It only took a term and a half.

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    And don't think for one minute that the Republicans are "pure as the driven snow" God-fearing, law-abiding family men who's farts don't stink.

    Mud flies both ways!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slobone View Post
    Which anti-gay legislation was that?
    He voted for a ban on same-sex marriage, for one.

    How much of a candy-ass hipocrite is that?

    I'll screw my boys in private while I take civil liberties away from the rest of you?

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    I've been staring at the screen too long --

    I just decided that what the Democrats need is more sex, and less scandals.
    Wouldn't hurt the Republicans, either.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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