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    Is It Too Early To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Love the smiley...

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15178112/site/newsweek/

    And this is the most optimistic story i could find for the GOP...can we say final nail in the coffin? Granted, the undead can rise again...but when they're eating their own, it can't be good.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Unfortunately, The Art of War says...


    don't count your chickens before they're hatched.


    So... yes, it's too early. Sorry... we must remain vigilant till the end.


    The idiots in the GOP, as morally bankrupt as they are... they don't ever make that mistake. We can't, either.

    Hold off the urge to celebrate & be filled w/glee a bit longer...

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    I agree and am afraid it is too early to forecast.
    Whether or not the Dems were involved in the recent expose, the MO recently is fairly predictable.
    When one party is exposed for doing something wrong, the reaction has been to dig up dirt and expose the opposing party.
    There are undoubedtly many skeletons in the closets of both parties in Congress.
    This is probably just the first shot at major pre-election mud slinging.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Quote Originally Posted by unclaimedblessing View Post
    I agree and am afraid it is too early to forecast.
    Whether or not the Dems were involved in the recent expose, the MO recently is fairly predictable.
    When one party is exposed for doing something wrong, the reaction has been to dig up dirt and expose the opposing party.
    There are undoubedtly many skeletons in the closets of both parties in Congress.
    This is probably just the first shot at major pre-election mud slinging.
    I disagree, in that there is little the Republicans will be able to dig up that will match this, and consequently, take the media's attention off the Foley scandal.

    The Dems *WILL* take the House *AND* the Senate... but the GOP may rig those states they have some operatives in to make it look like they narrowly hold onto a razor-thin majority.

    The job of everyone involved is not to let the media or the GOP skew the picture to make it look like they actually won, the way they did in 2004.

    We must stay on top of them and watch their efforts to rig from now till November 7th.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    I long for a great change the same way you guys do, but I still feel this is the first major engagement in a pre-election debacle.
    The public, for the most part, will remember the most recent scandals.
    Granted, pedophilia is way up there insofar as general abhorrence is concerned. I still think the Pugs will pull some aces from their sleeves (legit or not) just before we go to the polls.
    We need to let people know that this is entirely within the realm of possibilities, so we have to be prepared for it.
    Dirty pool or not, it's a frequently used ploy in the chess game of politics.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    DON'T EVER TURN YOUR BACK THEM. The present-day Neo-cons are about as equivalence in notorioty as the 1930's mob. I would even give them an inch because they will run a fuckin mile on it.
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    It's Always Too Early For You; You're always declaring stupid things - 'gay marriage'

    Quote Originally Posted by unclaimedblessing
    I still feel this is the first major engagement in a pre-election debacle.
    LOL. The only thing they could do that would 'top' this might be capturing Osama Bin Laden. and even that wouldn't 'knock' Masturgate off the front pages... share the front pages with it, maybe...

    I have no doubt the Republicans will *try* something. But can they succeed, so soon after this scandal? Uh... no, because in light of what they are guilty of they will not be able to make anything else stick. If anything, it will only drag them further down for trying to deflect the attention away from themselves. You're simply wrong, unclaimedblessing. The biggest concern is the usual - rigged elections, race baiting, terrorist baiting, etc. Nothing that will alter the landscape...

    The only thing that will fly under the radar will be rigged elections, because the media and the public aren't yet ready to accept the truth just yet...

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Quote Originally Posted by TierraSimms
    DON'T EVER TURN YOUR BACK THEM. The present-day Neo-cons are about as equivalence in notorioty as the 1930's mob. I would even give them an inch because they will run a fuckin mile on it.
    Agreement. Plus they like to try to rig elections. They even succeeded in 2004.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    and no offense, James, but until you're ready to recant your earlier statement about the gay marriage fight being over in Massachusetts and actually admit that the Democrats haven't used their overwhelming numbers to kill the amendment, then don't use my name in your threads.

    Thanks.

    Obviously I still want the congressional Dems to win both houses in the federal legislature.

    But, as I said, I'm an independent, until the Dems get some sense and finish this thing in Massachusetts.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15170951/site/newsweek/

    I love this story. It is so sad, but so true about A LOT of neo-cons.
    http://i27.tinypic.com/2nlbo8x.jpg

    Yeah, the bitch is BACK!

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    I'm superstitious. I always till Wednesday before I celebrate.

    And Karl Rove has yet to unleash his October Surprise

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    hey...i never said you were a democrat in the title...i just said you'd be as happy as me. and if you think the dems here are seriously going to overturn gay marriage or let the voters overturn it, you don't know mass. and again i say, the vast majority of voters here support it...and even among those who don't, their attitude is "meh...". it doesn't push their buttons the way it does elsewhere...it really is a socially live and let live state. stop getting distracted and angered by what a few "conservative" dems do when they don't have the numbers to kill anything.
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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Quote Originally Posted by HazeMaster View Post
    I'm superstitious. I always till Wednesday before I celebrate.

    And Karl Rove has yet to unleash his October Surprise
    i supposed it's true...but unless the surprise is that first we find out that osama bin laden is gay married to one of his own and then we capture him, nothing is gonna help them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homoaffectional View Post
    Agreement. Plus they like to try to rig elections. They even succeeded in 2004.
    Just because RFK, JR (analysis here) has a conspiracy theory does not make it so. Cutting down on any potential irregularities, and even fraud, would be a good thing. What about a photo ID card presented in order to vote? The ACLU does not like that, of course.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    Just because RFK, JR has a conspiracy theory
    Has nothing to do with RFK, has nothing to do with any 'conspiracy theories'. This has been a concern of mine, and the fact that the won't

    If you want to prove that this 'conspiracy theory' is wrong, call on Blackwell and the rest of the Harris-inspired Republicans to MAKE THE SOURCE CODE PUBLIC

    And spare me the links, please... I don't need any of yours.

    BTW, if you think the amount. If the Republicans 'win' this November, then as long as some bonehead out there on the blue side can show some leadership there, there will be a helluva lot more 'conspiracy theorists'... only they'll be out on the streets, marching Ukraine-style!

    Cutting down on any potential irregularities, and even fraud, would be a good thing. What about a photo ID card presented in order to vote? The ACLU does not like that, of course.
    You help to guarantee a paper trail, and we'll talk about the photo ID thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    hey...i never said you were a democrat in the title...
    That's not the point.

    Not trying to be mean, but...

    Here's the problem... you keep assuming things about me, and that's why you piss me off. This is what makes me not want to have you start having 'affairs' w/me or use my name in your thread, Dem, Indy, *WHATEVER*.


    if you think the dems here are seriously going to overturn gay marriage or let the voters overturn it, you don't know mass.
    Don't know about Mass? It so happens, I traveled to Mass four times in the year 2004, and once again in 2005. The first time, because the person I was supposed to be staying with flaked on me, I had to sleep (as much as I could, anyway) in the South Station. This was February (the first constitutional convention to debate this issue) and it was damn cold. So don't tell me what I do or don't know about Mass.

    I know that Democratic Attorney General Tom Reilly certified the signatures for the anti-gay ballot initiative that would require only 50 votes w/out even going through and knocking out the various fraudulent signatures, as was a major news story, and it's probably why he lost the primary for governor last month.


    and again i say, the vast majority of voters here support it...and even among those who don't, their attitude is "meh...". it doesn't push their buttons the way it does elsewhere...it really is a socially live and let live state.
    If you're right about "the Democrats in Mass" doing the right thing, that's great. But by my count, there might just be enough votes to pass the 50 votes-needed on November 9th. Even if it's defeated next time around (it needs to pass in two successive legislative sessions - what was that 'bout me *not knowing Mass* again??), that's still too close for comfort for me. I'd prefer it be defeated the first time around. That would surely settle the issue.





    These are the people that voted AGAINST delaying the issue back on July 13th:

    Demetrius J. Atsalis, D-Hyannis - N
    John J. Binienda, D-Worcester - N
    Garrett J. Bradley, D-Hingham - N
    Bruce J. Ayers, D-Quincy - N
    Arthur J. Broadhurst, D-Methuen - N
    Jennifer M. Callahan, D-Sutton - N
    Christine E. Canavan, D-Brockton - N
    Stephen R. Canessa, D-New Bedford - N
    Mark J. Carron, D-Southbridge - N
    Paul C. Casey, D-Winchester - N
    Virginia Coppola, R-Foxborough - N
    Robert Correia, D-Fall River - N
    Robert K. Coughlin, D-Dedham - N
    Geraldine Creedon, D-Brockton - N
    Sean Curran, D-Springfield - N
    Viriato Manuel deMacedo, R-Plym. - N
    Paul J. Donato, D-Medford - N
    Joseph R. Driscoll, D-Braintree - N
    Lewis G. Evangelidis, R-Holden - N
    James H. Fagan, D-Taunton - N
    Christopher G. Fallon, D-Malden - N
    Jennifer Flanagan, D-Leominster - N
    David L. Flynn, D-Bridgewater - N
    John P. Fresolo, D-Worcester - N
    Paul K. Frost, R-Auburn - N
    Colleen M. Garry, D-Dracut - N
    Susan W. Gifford, R-Wareham - N
    Anne M. Gobi, D-Spencer - N
    Emile J. Goguen, D-Fitchburg - N
    Thomas A. Golden Jr., D-Lowell - N
    Shirley Gomes, R-South Harwich - N
    Mary E. Grant, D-Beverly - N
    William G. Greene Jr., D-Billerica - N
    Geoffrey D. Hall, D-Westford - N
    Robert S. Hargraves, R-Groton - N
    Bradford Hill, R-Ipswich - N
    Donald F. Humason Jr., R-Westfield - N
    Frank M. Hynes, D-Marshfield - N
    Bradley H. Jones Jr., R-North Reading - N
    Michael F. Kane, D-Holyoke - N
    John Keenan, D-Salem - N
    Robert M. Koczera, D-New Bedford - N
    William Lantigua, D-Lawrence - N
    James Brendan Leary, D-Worcester - N
    Stephen P. LeDuc, D-Marlborough - N
    John A. Lepper, R-Attleboro - N
    David P. Linsky, D-Natick - N
    Paul J. Loscocco, R-Holliston - N
    James R. Miceli, D-Wilmington - N
    James M. Murphy, D-Weymouth - N
    Kevin J. Murphy, D-Lowell - N
    David M. Nangle, D-Lowell - N
    Harold P. Naughton Jr., D-Clinton - N
    Robert J. Nyman, D-Hanover - N
    Thomas J. O'Brien, D-Kingston - N
    Eugene L. O'Flaherty, D-Chelsea - N
    Marie J. Parente, D-Milford - N
    Alice H. Peisch, D-Wellesley - N
    Jeffrey D. Perry, R-Sandwich - N
    George N. Peterson Jr., R-Grafton - N
    William ``Smitty" Pignatelli, D-Lenox - N
    Elizabeth A. Poirier, R-N. Attleborough - N
    Karyn E. Polito, R-Shrewsbury - N
    Susan W. Pope, R-Wayland - N
    John F. Quinn, D-Dartmouth - N
    Michael J. Rodrigues, D-Westport - N
    Mary S. Rogeness, R-Longmeadow - N
    Richard Ross, R-Wrentham - N
    Michael F. Rush, D-Boston - N
    Angelo M. Scaccia, D-Boston - N
    Todd Smola, R-Palmer - N
    Theodore C. Speliotis, D-Danvers - N
    Joyce A. Spiliotis, D-Peabody - N
    Harriett L. Stanley, D-West Newbury - N
    William M. Straus, D-Mattapoisett - N
    David B. Sullivan, D-Fall River - N
    Walter F. Timilty, D-Milton - N
    A. Stephen Tobin, D-Quincy - N
    Timothy J. Toomey Jr., D-Cambridge - N
    Philip Travis, D-Rehoboth - N
    Anthony J. Verga, D-Gloucester - N
    Daniel K. Webster, R-Hanson - N
    James T. Welch, D-West Springfield - N

    SENATE

    Scott P. Brown, R-Wrentham - N
    Robert L. Hedlund, R-Weymouth - N
    Richard T. Moore, D-Uxbridge - N
    Michael W. Morrissey, D-Quincy - N
    Robert D. O'Leary, D-Barnstable - N
    Steven C. Panagiotakos, D-Lowell - N
    Bruce E. Tarr, R-Gloucester - N
    James E. Timilty, D-Walpole - N

    67 of the ones listed above are *Democrats*. If all 67 of those Democrats, along with the 100 or so that voted to delay, vote against the amendment, it will be dead in the water.

    So let's get around to that number. Tell me which ones that voted against delaying would also vote against the amendment on November 9th.

    Until you can give me the list, and they go ahead and vote against as you say they will, I *DON'T* want you using my name in your threads. PERIOD.

    Sorry, but them's the breaks.



    stop getting distracted and angered by what a few "conservative" dems do when they don't have the numbers to kill anything.
    Talk about arrogance. I don't need you telling me what my priorities should or shouldn't be. I'm not a partisan like you, and I will criticize *all* parties. I criticize Republicans, sucky Democrats, Libertarians, and sucky Greens alike. The arrogance of this is getting on my nerves. If you wonder why I tell you not to use my name in your threads, this is why. BTW, I'm actually a radical moderate, not a 'liberal'. I want to redefine what is moderate. Universal health care? Moderate. Paper trails? Moderate! Gay marriage? Moderate! Anti-war? Moderate! I'm on 'your' side now, because I root for the underdog. But I also believe in personal responsibility. If you want the right to use my name in your 'celebrations', your going to have to take the *responsibility* that goes with it. Unlike you, I don't count my chickens before they're hatched. You remind me of all the saps that were declaring John Kerry's victory over Bush 2 years ago. I don't like wasting 2 more years of my life because so many dumb ass liberals couldn't get it right and defeat Bush w/all they had to work with back then (or if they did, put all their faith in Kerry, who had no intention of challenging Bush on rigged elections). That's two more years of my life I could have used for much better things than have to point out Republican hypocrisy and prop up Democrats all over the place. And here you are again, declaring victory before we've actually gotten there, and using my name in your premature declaration of victory, to boot! Don't you guys ever learn?

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    Re: Is It Too Early To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Thanks! I was pretty sure there was a time limit to how long before someone couldn't edit their own post any longer. Like 10 minutes or so, last time I checked... maybe one of the mods did it for you.

    Feel free to include me in your titles, should the 173 Democrats out of 200 total legislators in the Massachusetts general court and senate, vote to kill the gay marriage ban on November 9th. After that, you have permission to again include me.

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    Re: Is It Too Early For Homoaffectional & Me To Sing Happy Days Are Here Again?

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    Just because RFK, JR (analysis here) has a conspiracy theory does not make it so. Cutting down on any potential irregularities, and even fraud, would be a good thing. What about a photo ID card presented in order to vote? The ACLU does not like that, of course.

    if the ACLU has a problem with it it's probably cause they sense that it's just another right wing attempt to depress the working class, poor and legalized citizen vote. republicans have made a science of trying to depress the turnout of these groups for obvious reasons...i know it may come as a shock to you but a lot of people in cities like NYC don't have licenses 'cause they don't need to drive. i know many people here who don't know how to drive and never had to learn.
    "Yo mama is so fat she can't even jump to a conclusion!"


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    As we speak, Bush is planning to bomb North Korea and Iran. That'll definately take the attention off the scandals.

    It always does.

    "We're in big trouble. Who can we bomb?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by james1200 View Post
    if the ACLU has a problem with it it's probably cause they sense that it's just another right wing attempt to depress the working class, poor and legalized citizen vote.
    Ugh, is it so hard to go to Google and type in "ACLU photo id" and find out actually why instead of just guessing? Those few search terms (typed without quotes) actually got the answer with the first hit.

    Quote Originally Posted by ACLU website
    According to ACLU officials, the voter identification law is unconstitutional because it will place unreasonable financial burdens on taxpayers. Because of the cost, thousands of Missouri voters will be unable to secure the extensive documentation needed to qualify for the newly required ID card.

    ...

    The lawsuit claims the Voter ID law violates the section of the Missouri Constitution known as the “Hancock Amendment,” which provides that “the state is prohibited from requiring any new or expanded activities by counties and other political subdivisions without full state financing.” The Amendment also provides that “a new activity or service … shall not be required by the General Assembly or any state agency of counties or other political subdivisions, unless a state appropriation is made and dispersed to pay the county or other political subdivision for any increased cost.”

    The lawsuit states that Missouri’s Photo ID law will require Jackson County and the city of St. Louis to provide activities, services and expenditures of general revenue funds without providing the appropriations the Hancock Amendment requires.

    “If the law is unenforceable in some counties, but not in others, the voter identification standards will be lower in those counties,” Shirk said. “This means that some citizens will be allowed to vote while other similarly situated citizens are forced to file provisional ballots that may not be counted. Many voters will not be allowed to vote at all.”

    “This is not a partisan lawsuit,” Shirk added. “We are simply trying to preserve the voting rights of Missouri citizens. It is regrettable that a lawsuit had to be filed, but the right to vote is an essential ingredient to preserving a democratically elected government in our state.”
    http://www.aclu.org/votingrights/gen...s20060717.html

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    I hate to be a "Debbie Downer", but I've just become so skeptical about our election process (which I used to beleive was infallible).
    Let's hope we don't have to sing "Here we go again".

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclaimedblessing View Post
    I hate to be a "Debbie Downer", but I've just become so skeptical about our election process (which I used to beleive was infallible).
    Let's hope we don't have to sing "Here we go again".
    Never heard of it; do you mean Whitesnake's 'Here I Go Again'?

    The election process is more secure with a paper trail; conspiracy theory or not the crazies have a good point with that one.

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    IC07, you got it Baby!
    On the last edition of Real Time with Bill Maher and his guests, they all concluded that there isn't a computer that can't be hacked.
    But then we have that "hanging chad" fiasco in Florida to consider also.
    Funny how ex-Prez Carter, other Americans and other reps from foriegn countries have supervised elections abroad to ensure fairness. Maybe we need Brits, Aussies, Canadians etc to come supervise ours. I trust them more than I do many of my fellow Americans.
    "Here we go again" is an older country song, I beleive Dale & Grace might have sang it.

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    The voter ID cards in Brazil, Título de Eleitor, are now supposed to be photo enhanced. It's just a matter of time before it happens in more countries.

    I also discovered that several nations, including Brazil and Argentina, require that its citizens vote, once they have received their voter ID. I wonder what Compulsory Voting would do to the US voting landscape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    The voter ID cards in Brazil, Título de Eleitor, are now supposed to be photo enhanced. It's just a matter of time before it happens in more countries.

    I also discovered that several nations, including Brazil and Argentina, require that its citizens vote, once they have received their voter ID. I wonder what Compulsory Voting would do to the US voting landscape.
    In the ultra-hypothetical, Humpty Dumpty world where it might (read: never in reality) happen -- just look at what happened in Australia, where John Howard apparently won (don't know too much 'bout Oz to declare whether or not it was rigged there).

    In this reality, though... it would *never* happen. And I personally, oppose it.

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