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    Tough balance for gay GOP
    By Mark Leibovich, New York Times
    Article Launched:10/08/2006 03:25:09 AM EDT
    Sunday, October 08
    WASHINGTON — Every month or so, 10 top staff members from Capitol Hill meet over dinner to commiserate about their uneasy experience as gay Republicans.
    In a wry reference to the "K Street Project," the party's campaign to build influence along the city's lobbying corridor, they privately call themselves the "P Street Project," a reference to a street cutting through a local gay enclave.

    For many of those men and other gay Republicans in political Washington, reconciling their private lives and public roles has required a discreet, heads-down existence. But in the past week, the Mark Foley scandal has upset that careful balance.

    Since Rep. Foley, R-Fla., resigned after sending sexually explicit electronic messages to a male page, gay Republicans in Washington have been under what one describes as "siege and suspicion."

    Some conservative groups blamed the episode on the "gay lifestyle" and the gathering force of the "gay agenda." Others equated homosexuality with pedophilia, a false link that has long outraged gay men and lesbians.

    Conservative blogs and Web sites pointed out that gay staff members played principal roles in investigating the Foley case, suggesting that the party was betrayed by gay men trying to hide misconduct by one of their own. Some gay activists even began circulating a document known as "The List," a roster of gay congressional staff members and their Republican bosses.

    "You can see where it would be easy for some people to blame gays for something that might bring down the party in Congress," said Brian Bennett, a gay Republican political consultant. He was a longtime chief of staff to former Rep. Robert K. Dornan, R-Calif., who regularly referred to gays as "Sodomites."

    "I'm just waiting for someone in a position of authority to make this a gay issue," Bennett said of the Foley incident.

    The presence of homosexuals, particularly gay men, in key staff positions has been an enduring if largely hidden staple of Republican life for decades, and particularly in recent years. They have played decisive roles in passing legislation, running campaigns and advancing careers.

    Known in some insider slang as "the Velvet Mafia" or "the Pink Elephants," gay Republicans tend to be less open about their sexual orientation than their Democratic counterparts.

    As the blame from the Foley case has been parceled out in recent days, some Republican staff members worried that any gay men caught up in the scandal would be treated unfairly.

    Kirk Fordham, Foley's one-time chief of staff who resigned Wednesday as an aide to Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds, R-N.Y., and Jeff Trandahl, the former clerk of the House of Representatives, were among the first to learn of Foley's communications. Along with the Republican leadership, they have been criticized for failing to act more aggressively to stop the congressman's behavior, and possibly covering up for Foley. Some have suggested that the leadership's response to Foley was borne of a squeamishness in dealing with a so-called gay issue.

    Fordham and Trandahl did not hide their homosexuality, and they were well-known in Washington's gay community. (Neither returned phone calls for comment.) Others strenuously protect their private life.

    "You learn to compartmentalize really well," said one Republican strategist who, as with many gay Republicans interviewed for this article, would talk only anonymously for fear of adversely affecting his career.

    'Hard to be a gay Republican'

    One of the inevitable facts, said Bennett, the former aide to Dornan, is that "there are just going to be some days when it's hard to be a gay Republican."

    When asked why he remains in the party, Bennett gave an answer common to gay Republicans: He said he remained fundamentally in sync with the small government principles of the party and was committed to changing what he considers its anti-gay attitudes.

    "I'm fighting hard, every day," said Bennett, who was among a small group of gay Republicans who met with George W. Bush during his 2000 presidential campaign.

    Others point out that advancing the beliefs and careers of the boss is a priority in Washington, and staff members are expected to stay in the background. "Discretion is what most members expect from their staff, no matter who you are," said Tracey St. Pierre, who was chief of staff for former Rep. Charles T. Canady, R-Fla.

    "For many conservative Republicans, just being gay in itself is an act of indiscretion," said St. Pierre, who is gay but was not open about it until shortly before leaving Canady's office. When she worked with him in the mid-1990s, one of his chief causes was legislation that would ban same-sex marriage. St. Pierre, who works for a federal agency, considers herself an independent now.

    The code of behavior largely extends to Republican politicians themselves, a point underscored by Foley, who only publicly acknowledged this week that he is gay. He appeared in public with women whenever possible and held parties at his Washington home that one guest described as decorated with photographs of himself with attractive women.

    Foley had always refused to discuss his sexual orientation, a topic that drew increasing attention as he considered a bid for the Senate in 2004 and rumors about his personal life intensified. He decided not to run.

    Despite Foley's silence, people on Capitol Hill assumed he was gay. "It was commonly known on Capitol Hill by staff and members," said Rep. Ray LaHood, R-Ill. "People have their own lifestyles as long as they mind their own business and play by the rules."

    Gay members of both parties describe the Foley matter as something that could jeopardize the role that gay men and lesbians have assumed in Republican politics.

    One gay Republican campaign strategist said he feared that conservatives would "play to the base" and redouble their efforts to vilify homosexuals.

    "It's one of the places the party goes when it's in trouble," he said. "A lot of us are holding our breath to see how this plays out."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand View Post
    "It's one of the places the party goes when it's in trouble," he said. "A lot of us are holding our breath to see how this plays out."
    Keep holding that breath...

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    Poor Mark it all bozze and that evil city D.C. fault he was such a nice Christen boy before he left Florida for the satans city.

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    This would be a perfect time for the gay Republicans in Congress to send a message, if things come down on them from the party higher-ups: resign from the Republican Party and go independent or Libertarian or Constitution or Reform -- though the "moral" climate of the latter two isn't much more welcoming, from what I've seen. I don't know what the actual numbers are (Foley couldn't have been the only one!), but wouldn't it be nice to see the expression it gave Bush to hear that his party no longer controls the House (or Senate), not because of elections, but because of his self-righteous "Moral Majority" attitude?

    We can only hope....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    The GOP would gladly make us into lampshade covering if they could get away with it.




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    Alfie, the equation of GOP and Nazis is getting tiresome.
    Realistically... they might deport us, though the Religious Route branch might wish for stoning or even burning at the stake.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    This would be a perfect time for the gay Republicans in Congress to send a message, if things come down on them from the party higher-ups: resign from the Republican Party and go [snip] Constitution
    Yeah... go Constitution... becuz I'm sure they'll be treated even better in the Constitution Party than they would among the Republicans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Alfie, the equation of GOP and Nazis is getting tiresome.
    So is Bush rigging election after election to stay in power...

    once the GOP stops rigging elections and just concedes defeat when the voters oust them... then they will stop being called Nazis.

    Nazis tried every dirty trick in the book... rigging elections is the modern day Nazi tactic and once they stop doing it, they won't have to be called Nazis.

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    Amusing and pathetic at the same time. I guess biting off your own nose to spite your face is fun. The problem with Mr. Bennet's argument about the Republican's small government theory is the government is currently bigger than it ever before, but I guess he still has hope in the current pathetic shape of that party is in now. I pray that one day this country isn't so bipartisan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TierraSimms View Post
    I pray that one day this country isn't so bipartisan.
    Drain the swamp of the neocons... then it won't be.

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    Drain the swamp of the neocons... then it won't be.
    Maybe by then there will be a Winter Storm Warning in hell because that'll happen before neo-cons disappear.

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    Republicans will always be willing to exploit gays for their own good. Just as long as you stand in the back and keep your mouth shut (doesn't matter if you are cybersexing boys in your office though)

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    eh...already posted this under a similiar topic but what the hell..a pictures worth a thousand words......

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    It boggles my mind why any gay man or lesbian would want to be associated with a party whose platform is largely based on the demonization of homosexuals. For that matter, it is beyond my comprehension to understand why anyone would want to be associated with a party defined by the liars, bigots, hypocrites, barbaric war-mongers, cowards, religious fanatics, white collar criminals, perverts, and self-loathing homosexuals within their ranks.

    If one subscribes to the core values that used to define the Republican Party before it was hijacked by the Christian right and sociopathic money-grubbers, it would seem to make much more sense to register as an independent or even as a centrist Democrat than to align oneself with a party comprised of some of the most morally bankrupt individuals to ever walk the face of the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddog View Post
    eh...already posted this under a similiar topic but what the hell..a pictures worth a thousand words......
    Why, I do declare!

    Baddog, I haven't told you how much I love you lately.

    Surely Rand where not talking about the BIG TENT GOP are we?

    Why, the last I heard they welcome everyone under their tent!

    Provided that you keep you fucking mouth shut, and vote as your told!



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    Center Texas Farmer,

    There is room for all under the big tent - those with money up front and those need to strike the tent later, in the back - - way back

    Nothing sums up this administration so well - imho - as "the ends justifies the means" and the end is to increase their power and their wealth

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    These guys have worked hard to keep a party in power that demonizes gays in the same way that party used to demonize African Americans. They probably all belong to Churches that also hate them. Why? For what reason?

    They made their choice, I hope they don't expect sympathy when the Republicans string them all up.

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    It's kind of hard to have a future without a present or past. Lol (jk).

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    These guys have worked hard to keep a party in power that demonizes gays in the same way that party used to demonize African Americans. They probably all belong to Churches that also hate them. Why? For what reason?

    They made their choice, I hope they don't expect sympathy when the Republicans string them all up.
    I wonder if they hate America as much as they hate themselves. Just wondering, that's all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand View Post
    There is room for all under the big tent - those with money up front and those need to strike the tent later, in the back - - way back

    Nothing sums up this administration so well -
    I could have sworn that said "Nothing SCUMS up....."
    But read that way, you still may be right -- nothing "scums up" an American administration so much as treating some people as more equal than others.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    These guys have worked hard to keep a party in power that demonizes gays in the same way that party used to demonize African Americans. They probably all belong to Churches that also hate them. Why? For what reason?

    They made their choice, I hope they don't expect sympathy when the Republicans string them all up.
    What's ironic there is that it was the Republicans who stood up to keep the Union together and fight slavery... and then, yeah, we don't want them to be slaves, but (a generation later) we don't want them around US!!!

    History is weird.

    And if any Publicans come to string me up, they'd better be ready for a few rounds from my .300 Winchester, or maybe my EnfieldM1917, or my Arasaka...
    Oh, screw it -- if they're friends of Bush, I'll let them get close and just cut loose with the ever-trusty Browning 12-gauge shotgun.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Don't know why anyone would be suprised by all this. The Republican Party has been trying to fuck us for years. At least Foley's page got dinner first.


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    Number of years ago I use to be proud to call myself a Republican. But in the late 1970's and 80's the party took a turn to extrem right and became under the influence of the religious right with likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell who preach hate against the gay community.

    The Republicans love to say they are party of the big tent open to all except those who are gay. pro choice, anti gun, pro environment and anti-war. In past two elections it has used the code words gay marriage to encorage voters to vote family value party or as the GOP is know today Gods only Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand View Post
    Center Texas Farmer,

    There is room for all under the big tent - those with money up front and those need to strike the tent later, in the back - - way back

    Nothing sums up this administration so well - imho - as "the ends justifies the means" and the end is to increase their power and their wealth

    Thanks for your comments, sarcastic as they were!
    Please forgive me in advance, but here's some more sarcasm:

    So under this big tent we now have too classifications for gays?

    We can call them House Gays and Field Gays?

    The House Gays would be Republicans, cuz they're yassir'en and nosiren, hope'in masser don't get out da whip un start legislatin' they lives away.

    The Field Gays would be the Democrats who done be tired of ole masser's whip, and done led a revolt to burn down da house wit da house gays init.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    The GOP would gladly make us into lampshade covering if they could get away with it.
    Hey, General Alfie, how you doing? That was vile and disgusting. I just put you on my IGNORE list.





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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    Please forgive me in advance, but here's some more sarcasm:

    Sir, I laud you for your sarcasm, applaud even. Always look for it!

    Some have a tendency to be martyrs, I suppose they have self-hate or self-shame that tends to lead them to such a place.

    So maybe Gay Republicans are martyrs

    maybe they are masochists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand View Post
    Sir, I laud you for your sarcasm, applaud even. Always look for it!

    Some have a tendency to be martyrs, I suppose they have self-hate or self-shame that tends to lead them to such a place.

    So maybe Gay Republicans are martyrs

    maybe they are masochists

    status seekers

    social climbers

    just plain foolish
    OR

    Maybe it's much more simplier than that.

    As a Gay Republican friend use to tell me:

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    and they can eat after selling their soul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slobone View Post
    Hey, General Alfie, how you doing? That was vile and disgusting. I just put you on my IGNORE list.




    Good. By the looks of it, why don't you put some clothes on, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slobone View Post
    Hey, General Alfie, how you doing? That was vile and disgusting. I just put you on my IGNORE list.


    Alfie is frequently vile and disgusting.
    We mix it with some of what comes from our Republicans, and it's great fertilizer!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Alfie is frequently vile and disgusting.
    We mix it with some of what comes from our Republicans, and it's great fertilizer!
    That's for damn sure!
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    I have to laugh at how they're all staying with the party to change the anti-gay attitudes in the Republican parties, yes they're all to chicken shit to come out.

    They sure don't use the Elephant as a mascot for it's testicle size, do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soilwork View Post
    They sure don't use the Elephant as a mascot for it's testicle size, do they?
    I am ABSOLUTELY going to make myself NOT generate an elephant image with teeny, weeny testicles.
    I am ....

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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Okay, given another thread.....

    Anybody want to whip up a cartoon of Condi as an elephant, dragging a pair on the ground?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Alfie, the equation of GOP and Nazis is getting tiresome.
    Hey, if the jackboot fits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtterJoq View Post
    Hey, if the jackboot fits...
    The comparison is just as valid for the Democrats, who have the majority of the National Socialist Party platform in their own.
    My objection is that Alfie has never methodically substantiated it; it's a mantra with him, no rational thought involved. Hearing such a chant gets old... if I want a repetitive chant, I'll take this one, from Monty Python:

    Pie Iesu Domine, dona nobis requiem (thunk!).


    It's much more entertaining!




    note: that first word is pronounced "pee-ay", in case you don't know Latin or haven't seen the movie

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Ave, atque vale.

    Omnes Gallia est divisa in partes tres.

    Tu stultus est.

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    Tu stultus est.
    Nuh-uh-uh, even in another language ad hominems are not allowed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Nuh-uh-uh, even in another language ad hominems are not allowed here.
    Oh, okay...

    Eheu...


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    If we want to play with Latin....


    Semper ubi sub ubi.



    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    And now for something completely different.

    George W. confuses Gay Republican's with the Religious Right....









    Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post


    And now for something completely different.

    George W. confuses Gay Republican's with the Religious Right....









    Odd -- this shows images, but they aren't showing in the post.

    Cute, though!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by DryIce View Post
    It boggles my mind why any gay man or lesbian would want to be associated with a party whose platform is largely based on the demonization of homosexuals. For that matter, it is beyond my comprehension to understand why anyone would want to be associated with a party defined by the liars, bigots, hypocrites, barbaric war-mongers, cowards, religious fanatics, white collar criminals, perverts, and self-loathing homosexuals within their ranks.
    Is it possible that these gay republicans are liars, bigots, hypocrites, barbaric war-mongers, cowards, religious fanatics, white collar criminals, perverts WHO HAPPENS to be self loathing homosexuals????

    There are some of the worst racists and neo nazi minded homos out there. And i know there exist also (though extremely closetted) islam fundamentalist fanatic fags.

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    It is so entertaining to watch some of the people who are fanatics about one of the two excuses for a major party chant their mantras back and forth at each other! What I want to know is, what satisfaction do you get by assigning labels and then refusing to think? Is it just the simplicity of not having to think after that, or of joinging in a chorus all chanting the same things, or what? It obviously isn't out of a love for truth, because, well, if you read anything from the actually rational representatives of either party, no one would be chanting the sort of slogans as in the above post (for example).

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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