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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by ipippini View Post
    hmmm.... so I am confused. According to my count, i have heard on 6 seperate occations that air america had gone bankrupt and was closing. But it still exists. but i am that this time, THIS TIME is definately the one! This time it is actually true and not just a load of bullcrap, right? so next week if I turn on my radio and air america is still there, all of you who are saying it is bankrupting will go cliff diving in the grand canyon, correct?
    It has been in the tank that many times.

    George Soros keeps it afloat each time.

    BTW United just emerged from bankruptcy. Bankrupt isn't closed in America. It is protection from collection.
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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Now, now, enough with the derogatory comments and so-called "Value judgements." It's just these kinds of statements that make our right-wing patriots get 'tho up 'thet, why, 'tho up 'thet that they start threads titled, "Why You Are Not Posting in Politics?"

    It's unfair to suggest Mr. Limbaugh is a drug user, much less a drug addict. I think he's an UltraPatriot and HE LOVES AMERICA! Mr. Limbaugh enjoys a wide audience with our Right Wing Gay Patriots and I just don't think it's wise to offend them.


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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by mazda3boi View Post
    Air AMerica failed cause it was nothing more than hate speech and whining.
    If that were true, Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, Hannity and (Michael, not Dan) Savage would be unemployed.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by OtterJoq View Post
    If that were true, Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, Hannity and (Michael, not Dan) Savage would be unemployed.
    EXACTLY!!! Thanks for calling them on their hypocrisy.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Homoaffectional View Post
    EXACTLY!!! Thanks for calling them on their hypocrisy.
    You're quite welcome, but to be honest, today's GOP almost makes it impossible to NOT expose their hypocrisy.

    Thank God the polls show that America is finally wising up. The numbers in MN look great; the RNC has all but abandoned its support of Mark Kennedy, once considered an "easy win."

    The Grand Old Pedophiles' house of cards is crumbling fast...and I couldn't be more amused.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Would you rather listen to whining or attacking for hours on end?

    Lefties whine about how bad the righties are fucking up the country.

    Righties attack and mock lefties for thinking differently than they do.

    Both sides tend to do alot of bitching and moaning actually, which is why I stay away from talk radio.

    "Just by being out you're doing your part. It's like recycling. You're doing your part for the environment if you recycle; you're doing your part for the gay movement if you're out."

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlame
    Would you rather listen to whining or attacking for hours on end?

    Righties attack and mock lefties for thinking differently than they do.

    Both sides tend to do alot of bitching and moaning actually, which is why I stay away from talk radio.

    Perhaps. Sometimes it does even get too much for me, and I only tune in occassionally. I would personally be happy to endorse the shutting down of *all* talk radio if the wingnuts across the nation would give up their hours of propaganda, courtesy of fat-ass drug addict Rush Limbaugh, closet gay Michael Savage, perpetually annoying Sean Hannity, and the rest... good luck with that, though.

    Unless a progressive course is charted for both the executive and legislative branches of the federal government (not to mention the judicial branch), I could see Air America being simply a predecessor to another liberal radio network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homoaffectional View Post
    I would personally be happy to endorse the shutting down of *all* talk radio if the wingnuts across the nation would give up their hours of propaganda, courtesy of fat-ass drug addict Rush Limbaugh, closet gay Michael Savage, perpetually annoying Sean Hannity, and the rest... good luck with that, though.
    Censorship works for the hyper-partisan only when his side fails in the marketplace of ideas.

    Unless a progressive course is charted for both the executive and legislative branches of the federal government (not to mention the judicial branch), I could see Air America being simply a predecessor to another liberal radio network.
    The judiciary needs no progressive course. That concept is absurd.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Air America just couldn't attrack the audience numbers they needed.

    Right wingers need to be told what to think, who to hate, who to vote for, so talk radio really works for the audience's authoritarian needs. Progressives and moderates think for themselves and don't need that sort of stuff.

    Gen_A.......very well said thanks for the insightful thought

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    Air America founders launch new liberal talk-radio network

    Just in time for the election! I'm glad someone stepped up to the plate, and just in time... glad to see Mike's back... they're going to need him...

    The cofounders of Air America Radio have launched a new liberal talk network, the Phoenix-based Nova M Radio. The Air America affiliate in Phoenix was bought out by a religious broadcasting company in March, which led affiliate directors to seek alternative means to broadcasting their content. Nova M Radio officially formed in April as a local operation, and now its directors are setting their sights on the rest of the nation by recruiting big-name talent.

    Mike Malloy, whose popular program on Air America ended in August, will debut the revamped The Mike Malloy Show on October 30 live from 9 p.m. to midnight Eastern time on all Nova M affiliates. The program will also stream live on the channel's Web site, www.novamradio.com.

    Internationally renowned pollster John Zogby will also join the Nova M stable with his hour-long show The Pulse of the Nation, where he will poll a variety of crucial social, political, and cultural issues. In addition to polling, interviews with special guests and audience participation will round out the show's content.

    Nova M CEO and chairman Michael "Dr. Mike" Newcomb will also host a daily chatfest from 9 a.m. until noon. Peter Collins, a veteran San Francisco–based radio personality, will host his own talk-radio show from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. weekdays.

    In light of Air America's recent filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Nova M has also secured Howard Dean presidential campaign fund-raiser Joe Trippi and his consulting firm to help the new company establish a firm base of financial contributors and supporters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Homoaffectional View Post
    In light of Air America's recent filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Nova M has also secured Howard Dean presidential campaign fund-raiser Joe Trippi and his consulting firm to help the new company establish a firm base of financial contributors and supporters.
    Seems to me that a plan for advertisers & sponsors, along with a business plan and attempt at commercial viability would be a better way to go.

    But to each their own.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Air America is still on my XM "Radio ToGo." I enjoy their programming. I just wish that Jerry Springer were still there. Rachael Maddow is probably the most intelligent being I have heard on any radio.

    I rely on NPR "Morning Edition" for all of my news. They do a superior job in my opinion.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    The reality is no one gives a crap

    Air America has no on-air talent, no listeners, no advertisers and now no financial backing

    Never really got off the ground

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    They ran out of ways to say.....We hate George Bush.And talk radio needs to be "entertaining" as well as "informative" Air America...was neither.Liberals are so gloomy and boring.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by vanman34 View Post
    Liberals are so gloomy and boring.



    and right wingers are so nasty and lacking for...






    what was that...















    oh yeah... a conscience... morals... ethics. Those sort of things.


    (Plus, they're pretty gloomy themselves. Oh, terrorists are going to blow us all up! But not because George Bush doesn't take advantage of what a terrorist attack does to his poll #'s... nosiree!)

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by vanman34 View Post
    They ran out of ways to say.....We hate George Bush.
    When two-thirds of Americans believe Bush to be a lousy president and nearly sixty percent believe him to be a liar, there is no end to the ways of saying they disapprove of his incompetence. I suspect the national din arising from the ballot boxes in two weeks will drive home that point even more profoundly.

    And talk radio needs to be "entertaining" as well as "informative"
    You mean like Rush "Blue Pills" Limbaugh's show, a circus of lies and distortions? The show where Rush calls Senator Clinton "Hitlery" and women in general are termed "Feminazis?" Oh, yeah that's a regular laugh riot.

    Air America...was neither.Liberals are so gloomy and boring.
    Just not very good at imitating the raging lunatics and social misfits of right wing Hate Radio.

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    When two-thirds of Americans believe Bush to be a lousy president and nearly sixty percent believe him to be a liar, there is no end to the ways of saying they disapprove of his incompetence. I suspect the national din arising from the ballot boxes in two weeks will drive home that point even more profoundly.



    You mean like Rush "Blue Pills" Limbaugh's show, a circus of lies and distortions? The show where Rush calls Senator Clinton "Hitlery" and women in general are termed "Feminazis?" Oh, yeah that's a regular laugh riot.



    Just not very good at imitating the raging lunatics and social misfits of right wing Hate Radio.

    Yeah your right Alpo. Lets bring out Art Bell a true liberal voice of moderation. Maybe next we can drag out the hate everything church. You know "God Hates FAgs" those lunatics. Oh Oh isn't that the ACLU in their back pocket. Damn what a team.
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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    how about NPR...has anyone mentioned them? i know they bore a lotta people but they're great and have a left slant without being disagreeable like the limbaugh's of the world. and how about the fact that while right wing radio is all over the place, i've heard that the listenership is overall quite small...limbaugh used to brag about 20 million listeners...yeah, right! stern used to always say that limbaugh's actual audience was about a million on 600 stations...that limbaugh bumped it way, way up cause he counted people that may have listened once in a rating period. and foxnews...their average rating during the day is 800,000 and at night a million...in a country of 300 million. let's not act like we've got a revoultion here.
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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    alfie, i'm gonna ask again how a respectable kook of the right calls himself "boi"...i don't think i got an answer last time.
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    Interesting point, james, so I Googled and found this:

    Rush Limbaugh claims he has an audience of 20 million listeners. Very impressive.

    American Idol gets 20 million viewers too. I don't know what that means. I do know that neither is good for the IQ of our great nation.

    So Limbaugh has an audience of 20 million.

    That also means that 255 million Americans don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

    Based on the 2000 election....

    appx. 50 million people voted for Bush. That means there are 30 million people who voted for Bush that don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. Assuming all of Limbaugh's listeners voted for Bush. Doesn't say much for the patron saint of fascism does it? 60% of voting republicans don't bother to listen to the guy.

    Still 20 million is a lot of people right? Yes and it would be even more impressive if 20 million people actually listened to Rush Limbaugh. Fortunately they don't. Let's take a look at how they arrived at 20 million in the first place. You'll see that just like most of Limbaugh's preachings, his ratings are a little slight of hand, some outright falsehoods, and a whole lot of twisting the facts to fit his claims.

    As a former Radio Program Director I assure you I can take Arbitron numbers and spin them to say whatever I want.

    Limbaugh's 20 million is the total number of possible listeners for a week. If you listen closely they actually say he reaches an audience of 20 million people every week. So does NPR but does that mean all 20 million are actually listening? Obviously not. Just because you can reach an audience with your signal doesn't mean they'll actually tune you in.

    Just for fun I'll give Rush the benefit of the doubt here. Let's say his total number of listeners in a week is actually 20 million people. Very impressive again right? Not so fast. That total is what is simply the number of people who tuned him in at one point or another during a week. That means that they added up the numbers from every show for a week and the total is where they got the 20 million. So in reality all the nut jobs that listen to him every day were counted 5 times in his weekly total. It does not mean by any definition that 20 million separate people listened to his show during a week. It simply means that the same people who listen over and over were counted 5 times. Imagine if we could find a way to make our vote count 5 times. Kerry wins in a monumental landslide!

    Now let's break it down some more. Of the total listeners every day. Many of them may have only listened for 5-10 minutes or what is known as a quarter-hour. Doesn't matter. They count towards the total. So now we have people who are listening for a few minutes being thrown into this very impressive total. They aren't listening from 12 to 3 every day. They simply show up as a listener for at least 15 minutes. Now if you listen for only 30 seconds but you write it down in your little Arbitron diary guess what, Rush Limbaugh picks up antother quarter- hour. A person literally could have been listening by accident but they just happened to be an honest diary keeper and Rush gets their rating. Takes some of the shine off the whole thing don't you think?

    The real number you want to look at is called the AQH. That is the Average Quarter Hour. That is where you might get a better idea of how many people are actually listening to Limbaugh. And the AQH will give you the true size of his audience.

    The AQH is the number of people listening during any quarter-hour of Limbaugh's ****** That's the true audience and I promise you it's not 20 million. Not even close. It might be 3 million and that's pushing it. Still those are truly great numbers in Radio. Trust me, there are radio people out there who would sacrifice their family to a volcano for an AQH of 3 million. But it's hardly the 20 million that Big Fat Rush would have you think it is.

    Let's break it down some more. Limbaugh is on about 640 stations. So let's take the AQH rating and see where we really are in terms of audience size.

    3 million actual listeners divided by 640 stations. That comes out to 4687.5 listeners per station. Obviously that isn't how it works but that is the average number of listeners per station. Clearly a station in Cleveland will have a much larger total than one in Auburn, NY just because the markets are so different in size but you get the gist.

    I won't even go into the details of how incredibly flawed and unreliable radio research is. I'll just say that it would get laughed out of any sociology convention. The participants are about as reliable as Rush Limbaugh's facts which is to say not very.

    After further review and a little scrutiny it seems that Rush Limbaugh's ratings and his alleged audience of 20 million are a lot like Rush Limbaugh's ****** Big and blustery but unable to withstand scrutiny of any kind. Simply stated, he lies about his ratings just like he lies about most everything else.

    He may even have an audience of 3 million but all that means is that 272 million people AREN'T listening to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazda3boi View Post
    Yeah your right Alpo. Lets bring out Art Bell a true liberal voice of moderation. Maybe next we can drag out the hate everything church. You know "God Hates FAgs" those lunatics. Oh Oh isn't that the ACLU in their back pocket. Damn what a team.
    Uh, what are you trying to say about the ACLU?

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    thanks ico7...i was hestiant about using howard stern as my source, LOL, even tho i think he's pretty damn honest. but thanks for the back up.
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    ^regarding your Google, the only response I have is ..... ditto, IC07, ditto!

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    I think it's hilarious that many of you are trying to deny that Rush Limbaugh is successful - flat our hilarious. You may think he's a boob but he rules the airwaves. Try debating something else - cause that's a loser

    As for Air America, perhaps they should recruit Keith O - he's a hero.

    That might bring them back from bankruptcy - actually no, cause Keith O's audience, while good for MSNBC - is miniscule - despite the revererance afforded him on JUB

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    Re: Air America Goes Belly Up!

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I think it's hilarious that many of you are trying to deny that Rush Limbaugh is successful - flat our hilarious. You may think he's a boob but he rules the airwaves. Try debating something else - cause that's a loser

    As for Air America, perhaps they should recruit Keith O - he's a hero.

    That might bring them back from bankruptcy - actually no, cause Keith O's audience, while good for MSNBC - is miniscule - despite the revererance afforded him on JUB
    Used to listen more to Rush,because he was entertaining,and often seared the liberal hysterics,though I would sometimes disagree with his philosophy,as he had little use for the center....spineless linguine he referred to moderates I believe a number of times.He has become pathetic now,and his problems have not given him pause to consider what others go through,haven't listened or really missed it in two years.Most of the liberals on Air America were not good entertainers.Some people here say liberals don't need Air America anyway,they already know how to think for themselves and don't tell others what to think or believe .Yea,right.They screwed up because they didn't know how to manage the business aspects of the station,and presented their message in a sanctimonious way that left entertainment the only thing not on the agenda.

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