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    Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    I have just read an article in our weekend paper about how Al Gore is quietly roaming the country (my words) and seeming to shore up support to have another stab at the White house in 2008.

    It seems wherever he goes he's being greeted as someone with the right goods to lead the Democrats back into the White House as opposed to Hilary who is too polar, she's either loved or hated with no in-between.

    The article finished with the line that there is nothing that Americans love more than a comeback and that this would be the comeback to end them all.

    What do you guys think?

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    We'd have been far better off in every way...
    I really like the idea of a 1st-woman president with so many qualifications.
    But Gore is tops for a second choice.

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    Alfie, while I wish 'W' was not president, all evidence and facts indicate the 2000 election was not stolen. The Miami Herald, hardly a bastion of conservatism, published a book about their in depth investigaton of the 2000 election. Ironically, the Herald's report indicates that under the re-count rules and restrictions the Democrats were seeking to impose , Gore would have lost the recount. Also, ironic is that under the rules the Republicans wanted to impose on the recount, Gore would have won. As it was, the system [Constitution] flawed as it might be, worked. Get mad, get over it and now get to work to elect someone worthy of oyur confidence and vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Saying the Miami Herald did an investigation and found everything "okey-dokey" is about as reassuring as saying Fox News "did an investigation" and found WMD in Saddam shirt pocket.
    Fox News may have done the investigation but Rick Santorum was the one who personally dug them out of the sand. It may have turned out to be some degraded Grey Poupon mustard smears on a 15 year old howitzer shell, but it still counts .......

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    Well, considering he won back in 2000......


    I think Gore could be a good candidate....

    But he'd take a lot of flak for his hardcore environmental views and would find it hard to get some corporate backers to support him...

    I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently...

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    I always thought Gore would be a strong contender in 2008 but I think he has said that he won't run too many times for him to reconsider without it becoming an issue. He used the time since 2000 to become more relaxed and less wooden so that's all to the good. The downside is that he may come across as an environmental extremist nowadays.

    I don't see how Hillary could possibly win unless the Republicans dig themselves into an even bigger hole and then run Cheney. If the Democrats are going to retake the White House they need to do a better job of appealing to str8 white male voters. In 2004, I kept hearing from str8 white male voters who are not religous nuts about how dissatisfied they were with W and how they would never vote for Kerry. I think that over time it is has gotten so those voters just tune out the Dems.

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    He would be a great President.Better a boring Gore than a crazy Bush.

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    Perhaps I'm just more pessimistic than our General, but I don't see anything happening that would prevent the Republican machine from stealing yet another election. If anything, their hold on all three branches of government (especially the judiciary) as well as the popular media (which has happily defined itself as the American equivalent of TASS for the RNC) is healthier then ever despite the poor approval ratings of our reigning clown in commander's clothing.

    I agree that current claims that Hillary is "polarizing" have the same whiff of media bullshit as the ludicrous smears endelessly repeated about Al Gore; however, the apparently insurmountable problem is that the People eat up that sort of bullshit by the bucketfulls. Info-tainment is as close as our beloved populace seems to want to get to anything like the truth. Bread and circuses keeps 'em happy. No matter how much the Bush administration reeks of cronyism and out and out war profiteering via outsourcing and lucrative contracts for puported rebuilding efforts in Iraq, the American public smells only money and profit, and they line up in droves hoping they will eventualy get their cut.

    At least that's a somewhat more venomous version of Thomas Frank's claim in his book "What Happened to Kansas?" What happened was that people who were being bled dry of their economic health (by corporate interests and paid-off politicos) aligned themselves as supporters of the very people who were bleeding them dry because those were the people who apparently knew how to make money. Similarly, the RNC neo-cons know all about arrogant displays of power, and the People are attracted to those displays if only because they give the lie to their own powerlessness.

    Frankly, I doubt that any democrat of note can win in 2008 unless he or she grows a set of balls and comes out swinging very soon. At one point, I thought Russ Feingold might be heading in that direction, but he quickly lapsed into political game playing. Dems desperately need to take the offensive and define the terms for the 2008 election instead of relying on passive-agresive reactions to whatever dreck the RNC oozes forth. Someone has to tell us all to wake the fuck up. Until they can do that, we can all just spread our legs and take it. And not in the good way.

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    I fear that there will always be someone willing to dig up some sort of negative ammunition against Gore, just as they did with Kerry, like this article:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...worldtobelieve

    Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe
    By Peter Schweizer

    Al Gore has spoken: The world must embrace a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To do otherwise, he says, will result in a cataclysmic catastrophe. "Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb," warns the website for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. "We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin."

    Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.

    For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)

    Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

    Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

    But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.

    Gore is not alone. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has said, "Global warming is happening, and it threatens our very existence." The DNC website applauds the fact that Gore has "tried to move people to act." Yet, astoundingly, Gore's persuasive powers have failed to convince his own party: The DNC has not signed up to pay an additional two pennies a kilowatt hour to go green. For that matter, neither has the Republican National Committee.

    Maybe our very existence isn't threatened.

    Gore has held these apocalyptic views about the environment for some time. So why, then, didn't Gore dump his family's large stock holdings in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family's trust, over the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock. Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas.

    Living carbon-neutral apparently doesn't mean living oil-stock free. Nor does it necessarily mean giving up a mining royalty either.

    Humanity might be "sitting on a ticking time bomb," but Gore's home in Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.

    The issue here is not simply Gore's hypocrisy; it's a question of credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why hasn't he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine or one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of us to radically change our lives.

    Peter Schweizer is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy.

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    I like Gore and beleive him to be intelligent, compassionate and a moderate willing to listen to reason.
    He reacted more quickly and efficiently in evacuating Katrina survivors than Bush and the entire federal govt.
    Yes,he is a bit of a snooze, but remember the countrys react to Howard Deans (almost maniacal) enthusiasm.
    What the Hell do people want?
    The presidency shouldn't be a popularity or beauty contest. We need a forward thinking, intelligent, articulate leader with no special interest commitments.
    Wouldn't that be refreshing?

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    The fact that Gore is in the hunt for 2008 in my opinion speaks to:

    1 - The extreme wing of the party is unhappy with Hillary - she's not anti-war enough - and hasn't kissed their behinds to their liking

    2 - The desire to go backwards in time not forward - Bill Clinton times

    3 - The return of "the election was stolen"

    I think #1 grows stronger every day. Hillary is deemed not liberal enough - how ironic as Repubs see her as a liberal nightmare. Interesting how both can be true.

    If you want to bring Gore back, why not Kerry? Cause both candidates are damaged goods. Both lost very winnable elections because both candidates were flawed. Better to move on in my opinion

    As for the Florida voting, I think it was what 6 years ago? Time to move on on that one too. Especially since it is a red herring and serves only to remind people just how crazy some can be.

    2008 should be a Democratic Presidential year. All you need is one sane candidate who is not too polarizing (Hillary a problem?) or too liberal or too soft on terror/defense. Should be a layup - can of corn - fill in the blanks. Instead, the Dems will make it tough.

    Going backwards with Gore does not make sense. And since he picked Joe Lieberman to be his VP, how can good Dems trust him?

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    trust the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2008,no matter what they do in 2006.The worst thing for the Dems is Hillary,John Edwards,Al Gore or John Kerry.Bill Richardson or some reasonable facsimile of a reasonable,pragmatic relative moderate-liberal may be a slam dunk,but I'm afraid the left will think it's their turn to make a steal at the other side of the court,dribble unimpeded for a tomahawk slam to bring the house down-and completely blow it.
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    I've seen Richardson on TV - smart, regular, Republican looking Democrat

    He'd be great

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I've seen Richardson on TV - smart, regular, Republican looking Democrat

    He'd be great
    That's the problem with the progressives who want to take over the party-"republican"looking.He's not-but if there is a concilliator,a true statesman who's trying to get the nomination-the anti-heretic left will be sure to take the party down rather than take a chance of an pragmatist and centrist they can't trust will impliment their vision for America,which seems sunny and bright,but would leave us as sclerotic and fractured as the European socialist model they love.Even Sweden got sick of that!
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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    A note to Alfie

    Re: the big tent
    Big enough tent? what happened to Joe Lieberman? I think the tent is by invitation only. And if you're anti-abortion, no admittance to the tent either. And we both know that the only reason Gore is being mentioned is that Hillary is courting Repubs for gen election purps not just liberal Dems and that drives you/them crazy!

    Re: Clinton days
    Clinton was caretaker to very prosperous times indeed. My only point was I think moving forward is the way to go. And I believe many Dems are capable of earning/winning the nomination, not just the ones with links to the past

    Re: stolen election
    I think in life, biz, whatever - gotta look ahead. I think the stolen election thing is sour grapes but it doesn't matter - it's so over - look ahead. I don't mean you're literally crazy just that "it's crazy" to cry over such an old thing - not like a relative died right? And "crazy" compared to your adjectives Alfie is really apples and donuts no?

    Re: the "you" word
    You're too funny (not crazy) - "All you need" - not you/Alfie - no slip, no projection - I live in NY, being a Republican is a waste of time

    Re: Lieberman
    Al chose Joe to try to win Florida - that's what I heard. Then dumped him like a bad habit when he didn't need him (CT primary issues). Yup, that Gore is principled for sure

    Not looking to make a case against Gore - just the fact that he went from "couldn't get it done/he's done" to "let's try Al again" just makes you wonder what the Dems are up to.

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    Clinton didn't take on Al-Qaeda when he had numerous chances-Khobar Towers,Kenyan attacks,U.S.S. Cole.The Sudanese government begging us to take him,but we were concerned about appearances.he only got balls in Bosnia and Kosovo when pressured by John Mc Cain and Joe Lieberman among others. He was unable to make Yassir Arafat,may he rest in hell,accept a peace agreement with Israeli Labor prime minister Ehud Barak,and who launched a self-defeating intifada that was aimed at getting a hostile Likud Party under that boo-hiss bogeyman Sharon into power instead,which he did.He fucked up Haiti,was derelict in his support of the oligarchs who ruined Russia's move to free and democratic status.He allowed the genocide in Kenya that left hundreds of thousands dead at the hands of the government,then cried crocodile tears because of it.He bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan to look tough on terrorism,and occasionally lobbed missiles into Baghdad.

    It was under Clinton's watch that the Enrons and Tycos and all those corporate stock inflaters and high livers do the wretched thing that Bush would be blamed for,cause as soon as the Clinton Administration was winding down to pardon rich financial backers for his library,the bubble burst and all hell broke loose.But it happened squarely under Clinton's watch,and he never addressed or forced greater commitment to corporate responsibility on the national agenda.He did nothing ,with the great opportunity as the budget actually got balanced with close to zero real growth(Only possible because the Republicans were controlling the Congress and at that time had leadership actually committed to fiscal responsibility)with Social Security,Medicare, Medicaid,any of the potentially budget-busting entitlements he could have led the way to getting under control and solvent.He did many little budget gimmicks like the 100,000 police malarkey which was designed to be for a short term only and then handed responsibility for continuation to the states and localities involved-more bait and switch than safe and sound.

    I am not a registered Republican,but still a Democrat,as I have stated before in other threads,maybe in forums you deem unfit to visit,i don't know.I think Clinton was a self-absorbed,totally opportunistic politician with great mental acuities but without character or leadership.He could have been more,but his lack of character wouldn't permit it.I do not praise Bush,I have been greatly critical of him because he has proven so unfit for the grave responsibilities he must face in his role as the leader of the Free World.I feel his disastrous tendencies toward incompetence,arrogance,and blind loyalty towards others as incompetent as him have caused America great distress and destroyed credibility with the world community and even now his own people,as the abysmal under 40 % approval rating among the American public has become consistent .

    I am not certain Hilary Clinton would win,but whoever wins the presidency WILL be my president.I have seen enough of the Republican overreach and hysteria against Clinton,as the Democratic insanity regarding anyone who doesn't conform to the progressive agenda being smeared and pilloried,so basically-if the right keeps the Republican s in their control,and the left seizes the mantle of who and what defines a Democrat-I''ll fight the both of you and support whoever truly will work to unite America.It's got to start someplace,and Al Gore ain't it.
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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I've seen Richardson on TV - smart, regular, Republican looking Democrat

    He'd be great
    "Republican looking" - is that like "straight acting"?

    I don't think Gore is being put forward by people who think Hillary is too conservative. I think no matter how hard Hillary tries to pander to the Right she will always be viewed as a radical feminist by at least half the country - that is why she is unelectable. IMHO the Democrats need a candidate who does not have strong negatives because you want voters who are persuadable to ask "Who's he? - tell me more" Like Mark Warner - I don't know if I would like him if I tried looked closely at him but I'm open to persuasion. Very few people who don't support Hillary right now are open to be persuaded by her so I think she would be a bad choice unless 2008 is a Democratic year like 1976.

    I don't think Gore can win if he keeps talking about the stolen election. That's why he would have been a bad choice in 2004, but I think Gore has moved on more than some of his supporters. It's funny to hear Gore being talked about as a dove, since he was a big supporter of Gulf War I and was considered right of center on defense issues when he was a Senator.

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Yeah, funny how some people are sticklers for the rule of law and the integrity of the ballot, huh? We should all adopt the GOP cry-baby points and just "move on." Not.
    American voters don't like whiners. Unless the Dems can find something concrete and clear cut, whining about it is just going to turn off voters who might otherwise be dissatisfied about the Republicans and hence persuadable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khushibagh View Post
    "Republican looking" - is that like "straight acting"?

    I don't think Gore is being put forward by people who think Hillary is too conservative. I think no matter how hard Hillary tries to pander to the Right she will always be viewed as a radical feminist by at least half the country - that is why she is unelectable. IMHO the Democrats need a candidate who does not have strong negatives because you want voters who are persuadable to ask "Who's he? - tell me more" Like Mark Warner - I don't know if I would like him if I tried looked closely at him but I'm open to persuasion. Very few people who don't support Hillary right now are open to be persuaded by her so I think she would be a bad choice unless 2008 is a Democratic year like 1976.

    I don't think Gore can win if he keeps talking about the stolen election. That's why he would have been a bad choice in 2004, but I think Gore has moved on more than some of his supporters. It's funny to hear Gore being talked about as a dove, since he was a big supporter of Gulf War I and was considered right of center on defense issues when he was a Senator.
    What I meant about Richardson is that he's not a screamer - he talks intelligently about issues, he has cred - not a bomb thrower. But the straight acting is a funny one and got a kick out of it. I think Bill if were to get some support, get on TV, show people what he's got - he could be really good.

    I agree on stolen election whining - does not play except with extremists who grip tight to that one. It's not a winner IMO. And I hear you on Hillary but not sure Gore is the answer to that one - he's no moderate. Don't know Warner - married to Liz Taylor? that's gotta disqualify you right? LOL

    If Bill Clinton was running, he'd win

    The Dems need a solid, middle of the road candidate - he/she would win in a landslide

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    Richardson has an impressive resume although he strikes me as a bit boring. If he ran I would certainly take a close look at him.

    Chance1 - I think you are thinking of John Warner, the Republican senator from Virginia who was once married to Liz Taylor. Mark Warner is the outgoing Democratic governor of Virgina (I guess they're as inbred there as West Virginia) and former dot com exec.

    I am more than a little disturbed that you think that a hallmark of acting like a Republican is talking intelligently about issues. When I hear "Republican acting" I think demagogue who hides behind the flag and calls everyone who disagrees soft on terrorism.

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    Re: Al Gore coming back for 2008?

    Quote Originally Posted by khushibagh View Post
    Richardson has an impressive resume although he strikes me as a bit boring. If he ran I would certainly take a close look at him.

    Chance1 - I think you are thinking of John Warner, the Republican senator from Virginia who was once married to Liz Taylor. Mark Warner is the outgoing Democratic governor of Virgina (I guess they're as inbred there as West Virginia) and former dot com exec.

    I am more than a little disturbed that you think that a hallmark of acting like a Republican is talking intelligently about issues. When I hear "Republican acting" I think demagogue who hides behind the flag and calls everyone who disagrees soft on terrorism.
    thanks for the correction Khushibagh - and my apologies to the "Taylor-less" Warner

    And sorry about the disconnect on Repubs/intelligent thing - not what I mean - can see why you thought so. I think Richardson is smart, but that when he criticizes the current admin, he does it in a non personal/screaming/irate/etc way. I think some of the more popular dems are too partisan, play too much to the hardcore base and frankly lose moderates like myself who want change but not whining. I think Pelosi, Boxer, Ted K, Kerry (now), Howard Dean - these are people who IMO, lose me with their method/style - so I don't care how smart they might be. Russ Feingold strikes me as an extreme thinker who can articulate his views/vision so that it doesn't seem as extreme. The others - well, IMO, they are not leaders.

    I feel similarly about Alfie. Clearly a very intelligent guy who instead of trying to convert/convince with his knowledge and facts, instead he throws bombs at individuals, attacks them personally and then if you disagree, you become part of his attack. It just doesn't work. You need to convince others of what you mean first, why it makes sense and why you should consider it.

    Sorry for the rambling - it's an affliction

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Sorry for the rambling - it's an affliction
    Chance, I agree with you on Richardson. He's my candidate. And I don't care about the rambling. You're not the only wordy one around.

    But I have to finally tell you - and please don't hate me for saying this - but that avatar bugs the shit out of me! There, I've said it and I feel better!

    If I may be honest for a moment, it's sometimes difficult to read what may otherwise be a well-articulated post when a series of pre-pubescent boy images is flashing the the left of the message.

    Of course I have an Anna Nicole Smith head below each of my posts in my siggie, so I suppose the old saying of 'calling the kettle black' may apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    snapcat, the guy in his picture, I can't recall his name, but he is legal... and I don't mean just West Virginia legal either. Of course I can't confirm how old he is in chance's avatar.

    Geez, knowing this makes me curious what having the Dark Lord to the left of my posts does to you.
    I beg a little latitude for going off topic,but your avatar seems to have no effect on me at least,my master!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    But I have to finally tell you - and please don't hate me for saying this - but that avatar bugs the shit out of me! There, I've said it and I feel better!

    If I may be honest for a moment, it's sometimes difficult to read what may otherwise be a well-articulated post when a series of pre-pubescent boy images is flashing the the left of the message.

    Of course I have an Anna Nicole Smith head below each of my posts in my siggie, so I suppose the old saying of 'calling the kettle black' may apply.
    LOL - too funny - and I appreciate the "tell it to me str8"

    The avatar is Jesse McCartney - and he's 19 - not sure of his political affiliation or if he has even voted - ha ha - he's mega cute no matter if he's conservative, liberal, repub or dem don't ya think?

    I guess the avatar plays better on the male celeb and twinks section - I get a lot of compliments there

    Back to current events . . . .

    Still think Richardson is the goods although I have to see more for sure

    Jesse

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