Coming Out as a Democrat-Also known as Bush changed my party

[Tiger28]

Hey all,

Just wanted to let the world know that I finally decided to do it and switch my party affiliation from Republican to Democrat.

I was a loyal Bush supporter in 2000 and 2004 but you can only screw up so many times before enough is enough.

Anyway, just to let the world in on it. I know I am definitely not the only one who is gonna to end up having made the switch

Thanks
Jamie

[tx_doc]

Welcome home.....

[General_Alfie]

Hey all,

Just wanted to let the world know that I finally decided to do it and switch my party affiliation from Republican to Democrat.

I was a loyal Bush supporter in 2000 and 2004 but you can only screw up so many times before enough is enough.

Anyway, just to let the world in on it. I know I am definitely not the only one who is gonna to end up having made the switch

Thanks
Jamie

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My prayers have been answered! I feared that if I failed to convert at least ONE PERSON to the Democratic Party this month that my mother's labor pains would have all been for naught. Congrats, thank you, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

[doctorsun]

Welcome to the light side of the force.

Seriously, I think this will be a growing trend leading up to the Congressional elections and, later, the 2008 election. Like you said, one can only screw up so many times before people start losing all faith. We still have 2 years and who knows what Bush will accomplish in that time?

[CTF]

As an active Democrat and Delegate of the Texas Democratic Party, I welcome you to the family fold that is The Democratic Party!

Check out the website above, it has links to help you get involved on a state/local level and to let you know what's going on in your State!

[Just_Believe18]

Nothing wrong with switching sides on this matter. The only ones still supportive of Bush are the stubborn die hards in denial.

[Tiger28]

Thanks guys,

I just wanted to let the world know cause to me it's a big deal.

I mean my senior year of high school, my government teacher allowed me to read a quote daily from Newt Gingrich's Little Red Book entitled Quotations from Speaker Newt

[Kulindahr]

My congratulations on your departure from a tribe of bigots and self-righteous moralists!

And my deepest sympathy for your choice of those who wish to regulate everything to death and make life easier for criminals.

[CTF]

My congratulations on your departure from a tribe of bigots and self-righteous moralists!

And my deepest sympathy for your choice of those who wish to regulate everything to death and make life easier for criminals.

You know Kulindahr, I respect you to death, but you really need to pick a new play book! How in the world are you going to get people to vote Libertarian with an attitude like that?

[General_Alfie]

You know Kulindahr, I respect you to death, but you really need to pick a new play book! How in the world are you going to get people to vote Libertarian with an attitude like that?

Um, like they always do -- they'll give out free Applebee keychains at their national convention in Altoona, which is also at Applebees (Spring Valley Mall, Route 545 at 495, Altoona -- can't mis it) .

[Mr.BiGuy]

Congrats Tiger28

You're not the only republican I know who changed their part to the Dems. My grandfather was a Republican, but he was moderate socially. He voted for Bush in 2000, because he thought he had foreign policy better than Gore. When Bush went to Afganistan after 9/11, my grandad was soo supportive of him.

Then all of a sudden we were in Iraq. My grandad was confused and upset. He did'nt understand why Bush wanted Saddam but not OBL. Then all the scandals came up during the war, and then the last straw was when in 2003, one of our family friends died in a roadside bomb near Tikrit. My grandad was really sadden by that, plus all the hate and bigotry from the right-wing on gays.At that moment he stopped liking Bush and changed his party for the 04 elections and has since kept voting for Democrats.

Sorry but I had to share that. It great to see others see the light and get away from the right-wing.

[Calator]

While I'm glad to see people waking up to the fact that our government, as a whole, is quite incompetent, and Bush is definitely a PART of that, I still wonder why people choose to think it's either red or blue. It's like no other choice exists...

Changing your political party because of the actions of one person is a little suspect. Now, if you'd be changing positions because of what Congress has done in the past few years as WELL, that might be understandable. But you didn't say that. You simply said it was because of Bush.

And it makes me wonder why people like to group themselves like that. What, did you originally vote Republican because your family is traditionally Republican? Did you read a poster stating the Republican principles and decided they were what you were looking for in a politician? Here's a question: If you're a Republican and you start seeing the party as a whole changing into something you don't like, at what point do you decide you aren't Republican any more? How many Republican ideals have to be completely adulterated, in your opinion, before you decide you no longer want to be Republican? Half? Three quarters? And when you reach that point, do you just assume the exact opposite of Republican (traditionally thought of as Democrat) is your only answer? Would you still consider Democrats against your fundamental beliefs in how government should be run? Lesser of two evils, eh? Well, if you choose the lesser of two evils, you are still rooting for evil...

If (God help us all) someone like Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2009 and has a few major screw ups during her regime, will you go back to being Republican? We don't want to be flip flopping now, do we?

Just stuff to think about....

[General_Alfie]

While I'm glad to see people waking up to the fact that our government, as a whole, is quite incompetent, and Bush is definitely a PART of that, I still wonder why people choose to think it's either red or blue. It's like no other choice exists...

LOL! You're kidding, right? Bush, the most powerful man on earth, the leader of the free world, a two-term president in time of war and you think he's only "a part" of the problem? Honey, this is HIS government, these are HIS policies, these are HIS programs! I still wonder why his few remaining supporters stare off into space when these facts are recounted.

Changing your political party because of the actions of one person is a little suspect. Now, if you'd be changing positions because of what Congress has done in the past few years as WELL, that might be understandable. But you didn't say that. You simply said it was because of Bush.

And it makes me wonder why people like to group themselves like that. What, did you originally vote Republican because your family is traditionally Republican? Did you read a poster stating the Republican principles and decided they were what you were looking for in a politician? Here's a question: If you're a Republican and you start seeing the party as a whole changing into something you don't like, at what point do you decide you aren't Republican any more?

Um, I think he decided like a few days ago -- not surprising as the majority of Americans now think Bush is utterly incapable of leadership.

If (God help us all) someone like Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2009 and has a few major screw ups during her regime, will you go back to being Republican? We don't want to be flip flopping now, do we?

Just stuff to think about....

LOL! "Flip flop!" That's Coward Bush's middle name, isn't it? Or is it "Mary?"

At least Senator Clinton remembers what she was doing with her life in her 20's and 30's -- those twenty years or so are all a blur to the alcoholic Bush. I mean, Bush cannot tell you where he was or what he was doing during his so-called "National Guard" service, service he undertook so as to avoid fighting for his country, a country he so-called "says" he loves.

[Kulindahr]

Alfie, I see you are so focused on hatred of a single man that you didn't consider the substance of Calator's post.
Bush is President, yes. Then there's Congress, which he has to cajole to get to do what he wants. Then there are the vast bureacracies, which even Nixon discovered didn't respond well to changes in course. Calator is right; the president is just oine man.

But more importantly, you totaqlly ignored the portions about principles. I know; the Democrats have a few, and the Republicans have... one, maybe -- but if you read the platyforms from election to election, you'll see that mostly what the major parties have is expediency.
Even so, would you care to respond to the substance of that post? whether someone should change parties because of one man, if one is committed to whatever principles might be there? at what point ought a person abandon principles because of one man, or even an entire congress? or ought a person re-examine, and see if there any principles there at all?

That's what you should have been addressing, if yoiu were responding to Calator's post and not using it as a springboard to launch another tired tirade. If you want to tirade, don't insult the prior post-er by using quotes that aren't at the core of the post -- give him the respect of actually answering what he posted.

[Calator]

First, thank you Kulindahr. All I was trying to do was get people to think about their positions on things, and why they have those positions. I used to be in the Democrat crowd like a lot of other people, but I can honestly say that my eyes are open now.

General_Alfie, I'm certainly not a supporter of Bush or the Republican party, if you somehow got that impression from my last post, although I don't see HOW you could have. Yes, Bush is at the head of the US government, but he is NOT the government. He is just a part of it. To give him the title of "most powerful man on earth" is awfully generous of you. Awfully generous. I can think of a few things he doesn't have any control over... But he is the front man for what's going on.

Are we at war? Did Congress ever declare war? War against what? An ideal? How can you fight an ideal? Is this like the war on drugs? Boy howdy, that's been successful. Think about this: Someone may live the first part of their life as a free and contributing member of society, until one day their family is murdered and they become vengeful. They might be wrong in acting on that, trying to find an excuse to let out their rage, but it shows my point... a person who might not be a threat today could be tomorrow. So... is everyone a potential threat? Everyone who has any family could potentially lose their family... And think about this: How long has that kind of a threat been possible? Terrorism has been going on since, oh.... the beginning of time? So don't you think it's rather arrogant for Bush and Co. to think they can fight "terrorism"?

We are in a time of war, a war against the lies that are being fed to us daily. At least some of us are.

I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush the first time, much less in 2004, are now kicking yourselves in the ASS for it. If you are, don't get mad at the rest of us who knew he was a snake from the get go. Let's try to work together to get (dare I say) HONEST people into the government. And that needs to happen ACROSS PARTY LINES.

p.s. Sorry for the rant. I do that a lot.

[General_Alfie]

George WTC Bush is the head of the government -- period. It's his budget, his people, his policies. Funny, when Dems ran things, we relished the fact that WE were accountable, that our choices had outcomes and we dealt with the resulting reality -- you know, like Truman said, "the buck stops here."

This is also a two-party system -- deal with it, m'kay? I know I have. Of course, one could follow the now blocked Kay and join the so-called "Libertarian Party." I understand there's about fifteen Libertarians in America..

[Tiger28]

Hey all,

Yeah GWB isn't the only reason I left the GOP, I also left the GOP because of the takeover of the party by the evangelical right and their belief from those like Pat Robertson that if you don't agree with them, you can't be a republican.

That kind of rhetoric really turned me off from the party in addition to how the evangelicals have forced religion down our throats and that isn't why I was a Republican.

Now, I haven't become a far left Democrat. I am still quite conservative economically and moderate to liberal socially.

The reason for changing party is simply that at this point this is a 2 party country. And,while I think there may be the rise of a 3rd party in the near future that simply isn't gonna to happen right now and if I want to change things, i need to go where I can make a difference

[CTF]

^ You're NOT the first Republican that I've heard this from.

Your voice is Welcome within the Democratric Party.

Contrary to "popular" opinion the Democratic Party isn't comprised of "tax and spend liberals," "godless-terrorist appeasing-baby killing-gay loving-Anti-Americans," that those who have other agendas make us out to be.

The Leadership within the Democratic Party, both locally and nationally, recognize that American politics has arched heavily to the right. The Democratic Party also recognizes that America is currently a country that's being ran under the politics of fear, sound-bites, and code words.

By joining the Democratic Party if you're moving "left" you're only moving closer to the center from where we are.

As long time Democrat and as I stated to you before, Welcome.