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View Poll Results: Are Americans Fascist-Loving cowards, as Rumsfeld has stated?

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  1. #51
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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    No, Secretary Rumsfeld, and his boss, President Bush, clearly believe that this is a struggle for Western Civilization...which has been assaulted in the past. And they are now stepping up to the plate and calling terrorist sympathizers and apologists as they see them. Good for them.
    Yeah, so? Everyone has beliefs, but that doesn't mean all beliefs should be acted out manicaly, does it? I mean, isn't that what anti-psychotics meddies are for? To stop mentally deranged people from doing crazy shit? After all, Sir Kookalot Bush also "says" God talks to him and doubtless the topic of "The End Days" comes up in conversation. I suspect Bush's kool-aid sotted "base" looks forward to that, too.

    Yes, I think Bush and Rumsfeld are astounded that more people don't agree with them. This is why they have been silent for so long. But they are undoubtedly stunned that there are Americans who wish ill among our servicemen.
    I challenge you to document your America-hating words, Sir. How sad. How sad that those who on the wrong side of history also insist on taking the rest of us down into their level.

    It's the same old crowd, Kev, the same old Angry and Hostile wingers who want to Blame America First, who want to tear the country apart, the same Yellow Ribbon Republicans that are very fond of being cheerlosers for the war, but aren't quite so patriotic to fight IN the war.

    You know, some people say, "Fuck the troops -- fuck 'em -- I'm fat dumb and unhappy, General Alfie, I'm perfectly happy to let others die while I get even fatter eating sour cream flavored potato chips and jacking off to gay porn." While I don't question their patriotism, I do wonder why they don't move their America-Hating asses to Cuba or Russia.

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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    R & B have to fabricate an elaborate psychological self-defense. Their failures clash with their deep commitments to imposing personal responsibility. Or do they really believe in CEO immunity? Chief Executive Officers like these would have been fired a long time ago. In some regimes they would face far worse.
    I have heard them credited with good intentions. That is the whisker they are saved by and if they keep dishing out this s-*-&-% they may end up with less than that. But, psychologically, what alternative do they have??

  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by ds_writr View Post
    In a way, I think that Rumsfeld is experiencing what many Democrats of an opposing opinion are experiencing and that is "WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE?"

    He is, I would imagine AMAZED that most Americans aren't gung-ho for this Middle East debacle just as I am AMAZED that those same Americans seem so impotent in pro-actively enacting that lack of support.
    The voice of the people, which is what protests typically are, cannot be heard by deaf ears; were 300 million vocal, foot-stomping Americans to march on the White House, it wouldn't even be heard by scum like Rumsfeld and Coward Bush #2. After all, these monsters are used to ignoring the will of the people -- I offer the theft of the 2000 election in Florida as an example of this disregard.

    Further, and perhaps you missed them, there have been four major marches on DC over the Iraq war, each with hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens (and one very large one prior to invasion). Perhaps you didn't hear their voices because our pathetic media largely ignores, or ridicules, protesters, usually with snide remarks comparing them to pot-smoking/free love (whatever that is) Vietnam-era protests in the most condescending, flip ways. Look at how the wingnuts and their offical organ, Fox News, covers Cindy Sheehan if you want a flavor of how vicious and demeaning the Lie Machine can be toweards those who advocate for peace.

    But perhaps the greatest reason for the lack of visible protest is an extremely selfish one, and that is the absolute, 100% certain fact that no middle-class or upper class kid will be drafted and sent into the Iraq meat grinder. No draft = no fear = no protests. Unless there is a risk, even a slight risk, of suburban kids having to defer their plans (or perhaps even be maimed or killed) in order to fight Coward Bush #2's brutal and failed war in Iraq, don't expect much activity on the pro-peace front any time soon. Instead, observe what happens this November at the polling stations around the nation.

  4. #54
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    ^ I agree. But they better wake up because although they may not be sent into an Iraq meat grinder, they will be sent into an IRAN meat grinder one day if people aren't duly vigilant.

    I indict the current White House for placing us in these straits.

    But I also have a distain for the common "middle class" mother who, of one observes, is still shopping around Wal-Marts and Targets and making sure their teenagers get as much new stuff as can be afforded them.

    They had better, though, begin to realize that increased warring - even a little bit more - will mean a draft. Already Marines have been called into involuntary duty.

    These are all steps (and not baby ones) to reinstituting the draft.

    Someone had better get pro-active (call OPRAH) before these can be no choice.

    But I suspect this nation has grown accustomed to that - well fed with an ability to know the choice is theirs.

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    General Alfie's tirade above in his post no. 51 is a classic example of his name-calling and distortion, and in the way he hijacks his own thread.

    For example, he uses the monicer "Blame America First" to apply to Republicans when it has always been synonymous with leftists (such as John Kerry, Al Gore, and Howard Dean, for example) who say that all would be swell if only America wouldn't yada yada yada.

    He says I have "America-hating words", when the only thing denigrating in my two posts is to chastise those who leak and publish national security secrects in time of war that will only lead to the death of US troops and Pulitzer Prizes for The New York Times journalists.

    Indeed, as I read post no. 51, I can only think that General Alfie is describing himself. The medical term for this is projection. I am glad he mentioned antipsychotic medication, because I have found that it is somtimes necessary for a physician to try different ones before she finds the one that might work for a particular patient.

  6. #56
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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    For example, he uses the monicer "Blame America First" to apply to Republicans when it has always been synonymous with leftists (such as John Kerry, Al Gore, and Howard Dean, for example) who say that all would be swell if only America wouldn't yada yada yada.
    Now kevvie, everyone know that the reich wing talks out of their arseholes because their mouths know better. In re-reading your so-called "post," it is painfully clear that you are BLAMING AMERICA for the manifest failings of your ideology, and that's just not my fault, nor is it my problem. I humbly suggest you either get yourself a new ideology, a new country, or new talking points -- your old ones just don't work anymore.

    BTW, "Monicer?" Whatzthat? Is that like, you know, "Monica?"

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  7. #57

    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    kev's tirade above in his post no. 55 is a classic example of his own petty hatred against a certain poster instead of focusing on the discussion at hand, and in the way he hijacks another thread.

    For example, he instead tries to correct a certain poster's ironic usage of misleading slogans instead of answering the various posts directed toward him.

    Indeed, as I read post no. 55, I can't help but notice that he is using a medical term called "projection," which I myself used in one of those posts directed toward him. Amazingly, he then goes off-topic further by discussing medical help that I assume worked for him and might work for others too.

  8. #58
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    Can we stick to Rumsfeld and THE WORLD. I mean, I would think there is plenty of fodder there without need for the ping pong game.

  9. #59
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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurn View Post
    R & B have to fabricate an elaborate psychological self-defense. Their failures clash with their deep commitments to imposing personal responsibility.

    [...]

    I have heard them credited with good intentions. That is the whisker they are saved by and if they keep dishing out this s-*-&-% they may end up with less than that. But, psychologically, what alternative do they have??
    Well said, Sir. Were it just Bush and Rumsfeld dodging their responsibility for their deeds and words, we could write that off as mere politics -- but it isn't just Bush and Rumsfeld, it's the entire right wing that has no remorse and no sense that they are responsible for the outcomes of their actions. It is utterly sociopathic. These people don't believe in fixing things, they believe in breaking stuff. Honestly, I think there's something in the GOP drinking water that causes them to act like possessed children.

    Quote Originally Posted by ico7
    kev's tirade above in his post no. 55 is a classic example of his own petty hatred against a certain poster instead of focusing on the discussion at hand, and in the way he hijacks another thread.
    As the televangelist and shakedown artist, Rev. Schuller of the Crystal Cathedral says, "The words you choose can change your moods and make you bitter, or better." How true it is.

    For my own part, I've simply placed kev in the bit-bucket: he's now on block and all is well with the world. He joins the short list of those who want to play the "blame game."

    Quote Originally Posted by ico7
    For example, he instead tries to correct a certain poster's ironic usage of misleading slogans instead of answering the various posts directed toward him.
    Slogans have their place, I guess -- I know they were popular with the Nazis and were mass-produced by Hitler's propaganda machine, for example. Seems the right wing has a lot more in common with Nazis, al-Queda, and Hezbollah than just their shared hatred of America.

    The bin-Ladenists of the right fail to understand that sensible Americans will no longer tolerate their bad behavior and their cynical, nihilistic efforts to BLAME AMERICA FIRST, LAST, AND ALWAYS. Their slogans reveal more about them than they could possibly admit and they play that childish game at their own peril.

    Gone, Sir, gone are the days when the Yellow Ribbon Republicans can get away with calling us "terrorist sympathizers," or get away with screed like, "there are Americans who wish ill among our servicemen" without being held to task for their words (though it must be noted that, to date, they refuse to explain themselves -- surprise, surprise). We have learned that lies and smears that go unrefuted often become a perceived truism. Sorry, we aren't going to surrender to their fabrications, and by not ceding to their hatred, by not giving ground, we will crush them.



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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    Why not just consider the source? Rumsfeld is hardly the poster boy for democratic values. His record shows no loyalty to anything unless it be himself and the crowd of incompetents he's in bed with.

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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    When will this administration face the fact that it is our dependence on middle-east oil that is the root cause of all our problems. Our oil money funds the terrorists and the sooner we, as a country, wean ourselves off it, the sooner terrorism will start to dissipate around the world.

    The only thing that will stop the oil rich countries like Iran is their lack of economic diversity. When their people are denied basic services due to their government's inability to fund both that and their support of terrorism, change will occur from within.

    The first thing America needs to do is get rid of the big oil people in Washington like Bush and Cheney and spend our revenue in the development of alternative fuel sources. The technology exists but our government's will to fund it, does not.


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    Well, I guess I am (should be?) honored that General Alfie and ICO7 have hijacked a thread for ME!!!

    But honestly, when I read ICO7's post no. 57, it reminded me of another psychiatric condition, one called Brownaris nasalis. When combined with a virus called Blancus caninus, it causes one not to be able to think coherently, and therefore forces her to adopt another person's sentence structure when posting on the internet.

    But back to topic, Rumsfeld has another oped in the LA Times:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...opinion-center

    I agree with everything he says.

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    Kev--

    If you agree with everything that Rumsfeld says, then there's no point in talking with you.

    You apparently accept the argument that defense of liberty alone determines our nation's decision to wage a war regardless of international or national sanction. I say national because the congress did not declare war, Bush did, and not on a discernible enemy, but on a generic concept, terror.

    You also apparently agree that no amount of war profiteering can ever possibly delegitimate our invasion of Iraq or recent rumblings about disabling Iran's efforts to enrich its nuclear stock. You evidently would never even consider the possibility that the invasion of Iraq was tied to any realpolitik decision making regarding stores of petroleum or the insidious politicking of Saudi Arabia and the OPEC oil cartel.

    You seem to accept as fact that people in power only ever operate in the interests of the general public and that nothing other than the helath of the republic is their primary concern. If that is your position, then we are at an insurmountable impasse. There is simply no point in prolonging a discussion.

    I will simply close by saying that my sentence structure is my own, and I think that Donald Rumsfeld is an incompetent ass and an irredeemable liar.

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    One of the remarks from Secretary Rumsfeld’s controversial speech at the American Legion was that “any moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere.” He goes on to say that most Americans “will evaluate and reflect on what is happening in this struggle and come to wise conclusions about it.” Thus, it seems apparent that Secretary Rumsfeld fully recognizes that a debate is appropriate, even in this “strange time.” Of course, it would be naive to assume that such a debate would not include analysis “about who and what is right or wrong.” It also seems fairly obvious (to me) that the only way to realistically clear up confusion is to encourage debate of the pertinent issues.

    kev pointed out in post #49 that “Secretary Rumsfeld, and his boss, President Bush, clearly believe that this is a struggle for Western Civilization.” I am hearing that sentiment more often now and I suppose the Administration is introducing comparisons to what are arguably unrelated historical events to emphasize the importance they desire to focus on the current campaign. The political commentary on Friday night’s NewsHour program began on this very issue. (The commentary is typically a moderated analysis/discussion between David Brooks, a Columnist from the New York Times, and Syndicated Columnist, Mark Shields. Brooks promotes/defends a conservative view and Shields promotes/defends a liberal view.) Consider this:

    MARK SHIELDS, Syndicated Columnist:

    The president said, in particularly the Salt Lake City speech, that this was the ideological battle of the 21st century, the battle of Iraq, upon its outcome and victory there, [depends] victory in the battle of the war against terrorism.

    If that's true, what the hell are we doing with 130,000 troops there? We ought to have half a million. Why haven't we mobilized the home front? Why aren't we paying for this? I mean, why, seriously, isn't the country on a war-footing, if that's really what he's talking about?
    I think Americans ARE somewhat detached from the post-war occupation of Iraq – at least to some extent because it is being managed at “critical mass,” rather than being concluded decisively. It is interesting to note that Iraq is approximately the size of the State of California and yet the most powerful military force in the world has proven incapable of controlling the terrain. Is it reasonable to suggest that a military solution may not be the best answer to this debacle? While a larger troop contingent might tip the balance, I think General_Alfie has exposed the underlying problem of that specific prospect in post #53 – “… no middle-class or upper class kid will be drafted and sent into the Iraq meat grinder. No draft = no fear …”

    To a great extent, America has been “running on auto-pilot” since 9/11 and yet its citizens have increasingly come to question the wisdom of the Administration’s policies and objectives in identifying and responding to the perceived threat. I do not think the Administration can continue to rely upon our spirit of nationalism to sustain what has proven to be an ineffective, and very costly, campaign. We are certainly at risk; however, it is unclear if our current leadership is truly capable of “adapting to win.” I personally regard efforts to introduce historical correlations that merely increase the prospect of fear to be highly counterproductive. What we need is a fair and realistic discussion of the present threat and a comprehensive analysis of how our policy can be modified to better respond to that situation.

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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    Opinterph makes some excellent points about the deficiencies of the current Administration's handling of Iraq.

    Nice post. It is a pleasure to read one by a gentleman.

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    I am not a gentleman. Ours is not a time for gentlemanly discourse.

    There is simply too much at stake. It is too easy to be lulled into servility by thinking that "our betters" know how to prosecute a war. The fact is that our betters are no better than we are and they are relying upon some of the most inane ideas to enact their policies. Their motovation is only money; their rhetoric only cant.

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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    Quote Originally Posted by vox populi View Post
    I am not a gentleman. Ours is not a time for gentlemanly discourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    One of the remarks from Secretary Rumsfeld’s controversial speech at the American Legion was that “any moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere.” He goes on to say that most Americans “will evaluate and reflect on what is happening in this struggle and come to wise conclusions about it.” Thus, it seems apparent that Secretary Rumsfeld fully recognizes that a debate is appropriate, even in this “strange time.” Of course, it would be naive to assume that such a debate would not include analysis “about who and what is right or wrong.” It also seems fairly obvious (to me) that the only way to realistically clear up confusion is to encourage debate of the pertinent issues.
    Bush entered office under a cloud of illegitimacy, let's be clear about that. After all, he lost the popular vote, some say he lost the electoral vote, too. Instead of reaching out to the minority, he used every cudgel available to beat the Dems down and to demonize those who dared disagree with his so-called "policies," including the power of myths and lies. That was six years ago and his distaste for (and unwillingness to cope with) disagreement has grown exponentially.

    At every turn, when the Dems offered to engage in debate, these efforts were derailed, dismissed, corrupted and distorted, all for political gain. Let us not forget Cheney's comments in the 2004 election -- that to vote for Kerry was to invite terrorists attacks. That theme hasn't gone away, it's been amplified and even repeated: "Dems are soft on terror," or "a vote for Dems is a vote for bin-Laden." So in view of this, opinterph, I ask: how does one debate with people who are fundamentally dishonest and morally corrupt? How does one debate an ideology of lies and fakery? These people lied about the very rational and need for war.

    Isn't it queer and absurd that the "rules of evidence" in debate are far higher here in CE&P than they are with the the Republican Party? At least here, we need to provide facts. You suggest that debate on this so-called "war on terror" is a desirable thing, and I'd agree. Sadly, the level of truth required, well, the Bushniks just couldn't produce -- they'd slither into their sewer of sadistic lies .

    Bush continues to say that his strategy is the right one. Funny, I don't see a lot of Iraqis "standing up," though I see a good number defecting to their religious tribes, a fair number getting blasted to kingdom come by their religious opponents.

    The chasm between the Republicans and the newly aligned coalition of Dems and Independents, as evinced by polling and anecdotal reporting, is great. People worry about civil war in Iraq -- I worry about it here in America.




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    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    Well, I guess I am (should be?) honored that General Alfie and ICO7 have hijacked a thread for ME!!!

    But honestly, when I read ICO7's post no. 57, it reminded me of another psychiatric condition, one called Brownaris nasalis. When combined with a virus called Blancus caninus, it causes one not to be able to think coherently, and therefore forces her to adopt another person's sentence structure when posting on the internet.
    I haven't adopted anyone's sentence structure, but I did parody your off-topic post. Amazing how you have ignored all my other posts, before GA's, that were on topic and directed at you. This selective disorder you have... interesting how such mental disorders cross party lines because iman has it too.

    But back to topic, Rumsfeld has another oped in the LA Times:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...opinion-center

    I agree with everything he says.
    Odd, seems like you suffer from your "brownaris nasalis" condition too, except that Rumsfeld isn't here to witness it.

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    OT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: Yes, I'm OT.


    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post

    Odd, seems like you suffer from your "brownaris nasalis" condition too, except that Rumsfeld isn't here to witness it.
    Could be itchypussyitis, too -- there's a lot of that going around dontchaknow.

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    snapcat--

    I see nothing in my previous post that merits a caution to be "gentlemanly". I was merely claiming that adhering to proprieties and calcified ideas about right and wrong are idiotic in our current political climate.

    I understand that a moderator's job is to squelch snotty personal attacks and flaming, but I did nothing of the kind. I resent being told to stay in line when I was not out of line to begin with.

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    Now, I don't know what conditions (psychiatric, skin and/or deal-making) everyone here may or may not have.

    And I'm not sure I want to know (it is a porn site, after all).

    And I tend to be an orange juice drinker not big on the Doctor Feelgood pharmaceutical industry as a whole.


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    ^ I meant it in a nice way, of course.

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    Re: (POLL) Most Americans Are Stupid, Ungrateful Fucks and Fascist Sympathizers

    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    Thank you chance1. We've found our common ground.

    Would you not agree then, that as Americans that we should be truly united on the "war on terrorism," and that the Bush Administration has done nothing to keep us united on the issue?

    As a country, I feel that we can do better, and that someone should hold our elected representatives accountable for thier percieved duplicity.

    You didn't have to share with me what you've shared here in your post. You have my complete respect.

    I hope that you and I can continue to debate the solutions to the current situaiton that our country finds itself in.

    The Bush admin has not done a good job keeping the country united - I would agree. He lost it somewhere along the line - not sure how. Not sure if he was incapable or lazy or whatever.

    They will be held accountable for sure - the midterm and Pres elections will likely hold him and his party responsible and deal them a loss - a big one. Personally I'd like to see the Dems gain power of at least the House if not the Senate also. I think lobbing salvos from the cheap seats is actually a lot easier than being in charge - but we'll see.

    As for President, not sure that will be a party line vote - I think the individual, not the party, is more how people vote. So John McCain, war hero, not a party line repub, could win - I like him. Giuliani scares me a bit - I like him and he did a tremendous job as mayor - much bigger gig Pres. Not sure if he can handle the scrutiny. The by the book repubs - Frist, Allen, others - would get killed IMO. Don't dig Hillary - not really sure what she stands for. But maybe all we need is a caretaker.

    Good kicking it around for sure

    Take care

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