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    Tim Russert back on Meet The Press

    he had 2 weeks off (not bad)

    David Gregory (look at me) subbed - not the same. For 2 weeks Gregory framed questions as he sees issues instead of the way Russert does it - down the middle

    Welcome back Tim - we missed you

    Today he had on Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans, David Paulison (bigtime FEMA guy) - missed most of that, then a great roundtable with Al Hunt, Robert Novak, Kate O'Beirne and Eugene Robinson

    Nagin reminds me of a young Al Sharpton - very divisive. He was caught making some tough remarks about how response to NO was slow due to the fact that it's a mostly black city, but he of course back tracked and said he meant cause the people were poor. So he didn't even stand by his words. NO is still a big mess - they showed pix - terrible. Then Mayor Nagin got caught on tape making a reference to the "hole in the ground" in NYC - this was his defense to a 60 Minutes reporter about why more hasn't been done in NO. The guy is bad news.

    In the roundtable, basically all agreed that the Repubs are in deep trouble in November. That several Repubs (Shays and others) and doing the Iraq dance (war was ok, we're just fighting it wrong). Hillary was showcased as the only lead Dem who has either not recanted her support and begged forgiveness (Kerry, Biden, Edwards) or called for immediate pullout. Novak ripped her (shocking right?) for being mechanical and a puppet for her advisors. He says Al Gore and her hate each other and she fears him. And that she is very vulnerable on the left.

    They talked about McCain's call for more troops - not a pullout. And basically all agreed that the Repubs better find a better issue than "do you feel safe". Kate O'Beirne (National Review) is a sharpie - very smart. And Eugene Robinson, columnist for Washington Post is real good. They talked about a column he wrote recently where basically he said he wishes Bush would do what he says - which is to really fight the war on terror. Instead we dilly dally in Iraq and talk about the connection but meanwhile our homeland security is weak. He is soft spoken but not soft - watch out for him - gonna start reading him regular.

    Meet the Press is as good as it gets for a political TV program

    Hope I wasn't the only one who saw it. Let me know if you did

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    he had 2 weeks off (not bad)
    Ah, The Nantucket Swells, returning to their work benches. Gosh, summer must be nearly over -- even for the brie-and-cheese Republicans.

    Today he had on Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans, David Paulison (bigtime FEMA guy) - missed most of that, then a great roundtable with Al Hunt, Robert Novak, Kate O'Beirne and Eugene Robinson

    Nagin reminds me of a young Al Sharpton - very divisive.
    Well, you know, last year, Bush and his Amatuer-Hour government were caught in its natural state: utter, complete incompetence and indifference to non-Republican America. Sadly, Mayor Nagin's city was destroyed and it isn't getting much better. I can understand his disdain and disgust, indeed, much of America feels the same way.

    As to "very divisive," gee, Nagin's not so bad -- he's no Rep. Tom Reynolds, Republican of New York. Reynolds said last week:

    "National Democrats are stone-cold guilty of engaging in a reckless and irresponsible pattern of neglect for the security of our citizens... sounding a defeatist, surrender message and catering to the party's liberal base "that prefers a flag that is lily-white to a flag that is red, white, and blue."
    Ouch. That's divisive -- Reynolds must study under Vice President "Shooter"Cheney, huh? Of course, no one buys these Republican lies anymore, except for perhaps Coward Bush's bargain-basement base of frauds and freaks.

    He [Nagin] was caught making some tough remarks about how response to NO was slow due to the fact that it's a mostly black city, but he of course back tracked and said he meant cause the people were poor. So he didn't even stand by his words. NO is still a big mess - they showed pix - terrible. Then Mayor Nagin got caught on tape making a reference to the "hole in the ground" in NYC - this was his defense to a 60 Minutes reporter about why more hasn't been done in NO. The guy is bad news.
    LOL!! I think many, many informed people agree with the mayor. It is funny, though, how Nagin compared two awful disasters, "9/11" and "Katrina." Both unique but both with a shared parent: Bush incompetence. You see, had Bush done his job in the first year of his presidency, "9/11" wouldn't have happened, and that's not my opinion, that's from the "9/11" commission. Katrina, of course, couldn't be stopped, but New Orlenas could have been saved, saved had Bush cared enough to, you know, organize and rally his government's vast resources to save the citizens and rebuild the city? I mean, New Orleans doesn't loook like Sri Lanka after a tsunami because of Nagin -- it looks like a third-world disaster because of Bush.

    In the roundtable, basically all agreed that the Repubs are in deep trouble in November. That several Repubs (Shays and others) and doing the Iraq dance (war was ok, we're just fighting it wrong). Hillary was showcased as the only lead Dem who has either not recanted her support and begged forgiveness (Kerry, Biden, Edwards) or called for immediate pullout. Novak ripped her (shocking right?) for being mechanical and a puppet for her advisors. He says Al Gore and her hate each other and she fears him. And that she is very vulnerable on the left.
    Republicans! They are SUCH LADIES, they cackle like God damned hens! Gossip, back-stab, undermine! Hell, they'd have more purse fights in the GOP if there weren't so many thissies worried about breaking a nail, or messing their hair. Why, chance1, why can't the GOP Ladies Auxilliary simply do their jobs (poorly) and stay out of everyone's bidness? They'll never win any elections again if they act like bitchy queens.

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    Re: Tim Russert back on Meet The Press

    couple thoughts for you Alfie to consider

    1) Katrina and 911 - not a like - not at all other than senseless death

    One was a natural disaster; the other was an attack

    2) Unlike Rudy Giuliani who brought the city together after 911, Nagin blamed others, basically acted like an a-hole on TV for any/all that would listen - and accepted no responsibility

    3) don't know Tom Reynolds - perhaps he is a mope - doesn't make Nagin competent or any better

    4) Nice misrepresentation of 911 commission

    5) why do insist on personal attacks on government officials - it does you no good Alfie. you will never convert anyone with this tact. You sound bitter and angry and all of your points (I'm sure you have good ones) are lost - course that's my opinion

    As for Nagin, can't believe he is still in charge of New Orleans. The guy has failed any legitimate standard of competence

    And not sure what your Nantucket swells reference was - for Tim or me - nevermind - I'm certain it was sarcastic and nasty - and I guess that's enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    couple thoughts for you Alfie to consider

    1) Katrina and 911 - not a like - not at all other than senseless death
    Congrats, you got it!! YES, SENSELESS LOSS OF LIFE because Mr. Bush is incompetent and incapable. Thank you for paying attention to that part of my posting, chance1. Yes, THOUSANDS of lives lost, and we aren't even chatting about Bush's status as the Second Greatest Mass Murderer of Iraqis, right behind Saddam. Of course, that's Arab life and is worth proportionately less among the neocons.

    2) Unlike Rudy Giuliani who brought the city together after 911, Nagin blamed others, basically acted like an a-hole on TV for any/all that would listen - and accepted no responsibility
    "Brought the city together," you claim? Surely, not my city, not New York. Like New York needs an adulterer like Trudy to rally its wits, to rally its well-known compassion and strength? You, Sir, do not know New Yorkers -- New York is a self-assembling, self-healing, self-directed organism -- it expands and contracts as needed, and does so by the second. The hated, loathed and ridiculed Trudy was an empty pant suit on "9/11," an irrational, distracted and ineffective babbler. To claim that Donna Hanover's abusive husband was anything other than a leech is to overstate their case.

    4) Nice misrepresentation of 911 commission
    Really? How? Do you have proof? I have -- I have proof of my claim, from CBS:

    (CBS) For the first time, the chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston.

    "This is a very, very important part of history and we've got to tell it right," said Thomas Kean.

    "As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear idea what wasn't done and what should have been done," he said. "This was not something that had to happen." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in589137.shtml
    I look forward to your attempts at disabusing my claim, but I won't hold my breath.

    5) why do insist on personal attacks on government officials - it does you no good Alfie. you will never convert anyone with this tact. You sound bitter and angry and all of your points (I'm sure you have good ones) are lost - course that's my opinion
    Yes, it is-- it is your opinion, one I need not read in every blessed post from you, I'd add; I, too, have opinions, and we must strive to respect our equality of rights to hold same, without nannying by anyone. You see, acting wounded and even Up Thet over so-called "incivilitiy" towards elected officials is best left to wounded, useless, sore loserman pols, dontchathink?

    As for Nagin, can't believe he is still in charge of New Orleans. The guy has failed any legitimate standard of competence
    Yeah, well, 67% of America ain't too thrilled about stupid Bush being in power, but that's how the old Diebold bounces...

    And not sure what your Nantucket swells reference was - for Tim or me - nevermind - I'm certain it was sarcastic and nasty - and I guess that's enough
    Why must you doubt my absolute and indeed remarkable manners? "Swells," Sir, are "fashionably elegant, stylish" people, as surely Mr. Tim Russert (R-DC) most certainly is.

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    i never saw what was so good about him or usa media

    try bbc

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    Quote Originally Posted by holland View Post
    i never saw what was so good about him or usa media

    try bbc
    I largely agree, holland.

    I'm sure Russert's kids and parish priests just adore the big lug, but between you and me? He's a slug.

    Week after week, year after year, Timmah Russert stacks the MTP deck with far more Pugs than Dems, far more wingnuts than progressives. That's not my assertion, it's the documented result of a studies conducted by Media Matters for America (link below).

    He gladly accepts his daily portion of GOP talking points and repeats them to his audience with a gusto rarely found in objective journalists, even as he rips into his show's less-well represented Democrats and progressives; He gives clowns like Ken Mehlman and Senator Frist a "pass" on their distortions, even as he comes up with the most absurd and trite "gotcha" quezzies for the minority party; He dredges up very personal (and some would say irrelevant) questions regarding Senator and former president Clinton, even as he averts his eyes, ears and mouth from the incompetent and corrupt majority party, and he's made a career out of this biased buffoonery, a well-compensated career at that.

    I realize the media is owned by megacorporations and is tilted way right. I accept that Timmah's bread is buttered by executives who are part of the GOP-Big Bidness complex. I understand that one doesn't get paid megamillions by being fair and objective -- fine, but to assert that Russert is anything by a stooge for the right wing is absurd.





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    ^One never knows what the tides may bring in. I too have to agree with Holland. Someone ran an on line poll a few years ago for "Biggest Media Whore" and Russert won hands down.
    http://anycities.com/andyhifi/news/timrussert.htm

    The best program that I've seen was last Friday's Charlie Rose show. Among others he had on Jed Horne author of Breach of Faith. Horne also found a racial component to the government response to Katrina. The racial aspect really seems obvious to me. I can't imagine white people marooned in Orange County or Colorado or Arizona waiting for a week to be rescued. It's not overt racism it is just the mindset and priorities of the type of people in this administration. The Rose show is still available on charlierose.com.

    The media fuss over Nagin is just plain silly. Congressman King (speaking of whores) managed to get on every TV show possible to say that Nagin debased the memory of first responders by referring to Ground Zero as a hole in the ground. Well it is a hole in the ground and the development process has been a giant fiasco. If King wants to respect the memory of those killed on 9/11 he should stop invoking their memory every chance he gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    The media fuss over Nagin is just plain silly.
    I think it is far more invidious -- I think the GOP always, always seeks to label black people as stooges, ill-mannered and corrupt; I think they like two'fers like Nagin (black and a Democrat), too, though wouldn't they have had the BIGGEST spontaneous and unaided multiple rectal orgasm if New Orleans' mayor were a lesbian single-parent divorced black liberal Democrat female, huh?

    Also, smearing Nagin has the effect of lowering him down into Bush's self-created sewer, too, a kind of leveling of the politics in the admin's eyes, sort of a juicy-if-stupid talking point for the wingnut noise machine ("Yes, mistakes were made by the admin and hundreds lost their lives, but look ebbybody, that so-called "African-American" from the weak-in-tera Democrat party (gasp!) bad-mouthed Ground Zero!"). Of course, there's also the splash-over effect, nicely making tar babies out of cry-babies Bloomberg (Pug) and Gov. Coward Pataki (Pug).

    Having said all of that, I do think Nagin was partly wrong in bringing up such as sore subject. I mean, as we all know, there wouldn't BE a great huge hole at Ground Zero had Bush done his fucking job and acted on the PDB of 06 Aug 01. No, there'd still be two skyscrapers standing over New York harbor -- had Bush done his job. There'd also be a bonus: there'd be no Bush second term. As we all know, no "9/11," no Bush re-election, because up to 10 September Bush was in his rightful pigeonhole: politically damaged, a failed president and soon to be a one term dud, just like Dadums. Gosh! Sort of an Unfortunate And Totally Random Coincidence, that "9/11" and GWOT whoring -- certainly one Bush would really rather not chat about under oath.


    Congressman King (speaking of whores) managed to get on every TV show possible to say that Nagin debased the memory of first responders by referring to Ground Zero as a hole in the ground. Well it is a hole in the ground and the development process has been a giant fiasco. If King wants to respect the memory of those killed on 9/11 he should stop invoking their memory every chance he gets.
    King! No one loves bin-Ladenism more than that nut! And such an asshole.

    Why, iman? Why do Republican America-Haters (is there any other kind?) have to get into everyone else's affairs? Why don't they occupy themselves with stealing MORE TAXPAYER MONEY?

    Why don't Republicans just live life the way it was mean to be lived -- taking food from the family dining table, creating intolerable economic conditions for 99% of America, forcing poor elderly to choose between cat food and paying their electric bills, tossing kids out of college by slashing student aid, or demolishing an entire American city through their incompetence and avarice? You know, the usual FUN things Pugs like to do, once they get bored with dissecting kittens and pulling wings off of flies?

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    Geo. W. Bush entered the White House not even knowing what it meant to be the President of the United States.

    He knew it as well a little girl knows big business by playing "store" after school.

    Talk about cocky? Here is a man who rode the diplomatic coattails of his precessor, Clinton, who could only warn to heed the dangers in the world. Instead, Bush spent a year driving around his RANCH leaving presidenty stuff to others (a hand selected few who had no interesting in the welfare of America).

    If there are bullies and victims on the school yard, Bush surrounded himself with the punk bookies who takes odds on the fight.

    Katrina proved one doesn't require a terrorist to destroy America.

    of course, that does not in any way cut terrorists a break. its just to say that while Bob and the whole local police force is waiting for his ex-wife to shoot him, its Suzie, who lives in the same town who gets raped and dismembered.

    Someone fell down on their job by Suzie.

    Katrina happened but it was the levees which destroyed New Orleans. And the condition of levees is not an act of nature anymoreso than is ignoring plans to attack NYC.

    Heck, even if there is a rainstorm and you are but a child and its a bad rainstorm ...it is somewhat the responsibility of DADDY to figure out the umbrella. And if he knows the umbrella is deficient, its his responsibility to fix or replace it and not hope for the best as he hands it to his child who subsequently drowns in the rainstorm because no one had any ability to have done anything from keeping things from occurring.

    Things can happen any time, but when you're not prepared, HORRIBLE things can happen. And when you're not prepared and horrible things happen but you had been advised that such could happen and you had a chance to have done something about it (even if not winningly), then you are no longer an innocent in the situation. You become culpable.

    Is the President of the USA only a BYSTANDER to all which happens in and to his country? That's rather what he'd like to have everyone (including himself) believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holland View Post
    i never saw what was so good about him or usa media

    try bbc
    I look foward to watching Tim Russert, like I look forward to watching Bill O'Reilly spit and slobber all over himself.

    Tim Russert's hosting of Meet the Press, is nothing more than a repeat of the weeks propaganda from the Bush Administration, and those who don't seem to be very willing to really ask any HARD questions about that propaganda.

    My Sunday Morning shows consist of CBS Sunday Morning, then over to ABC for This Week with George Stephanopoulos, then back to ABC for Face the Nation. I usually follow that up (just for kicks) with the McLaughlin Group on PBS.

    McLaughlin should lose the set and host that show in a Washington Pub! I would love to watch them get sloshed and start really duking it out!

    If I want' something REALLY in depth, I'll catch Charlie Rose late in the evening during the week on my local PBS station.

    BTW is it just me or is CNN starting look and sound more and more like FOX Snooze?

    Sorry, .
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    Re: Tim Russert back on Meet The Press

    I give up

    Tim Russert is a mouthpiece for George Bush ?

    somebody hijack this thread - please

    oh I guess DS already did - his response to this thread was to attack George Bush - hmm - aren't there enough threads to do that?

    Russert is as good as it gets

    He holds ALL guests feet to the fire - with past quotes, interviews, etc - no exceptions

    The fact that you guys suggest otherwise is proof in my opinion of the over the top cynicism that exists here

    Looks like it's one big Republican conspiracy I guess

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    Re: Tim Russert back on Meet The Press

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I give up

    Tim Russert is a mouthpiece for George Bush ?

    somebody hijack this thread - please

    oh I guess DS already did - his response to this thread was to attack George Bush - hmm - aren't there enough threads to do that?

    Russert is as good as it gets

    He holds ALL guests feet to the fire - with past quotes, interviews, etc - no exceptions

    The fact that you guys suggest otherwise is proof in my opinion of the over the top cynicism that exists here

    Looks like it's one big Republican conspiracy I guess
    In all fairness, would you cite one interview, one example of why you feel that Russert is as good as it gets?

    I never said, nor attempted to imply that Russert is a mouth piece for Bush.

    Just that he has just as many facts as the rest of us, and sometimes, IMO he doesn't go after the answers tough enough or hard enough!

    But that's my opinion.

    What do you like about him?

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    I know I did that.

    I'm sorry.

    I got so swept away in the course of the thread.


    I usually never hijack threads.


    And then after I posted the post above, I realized, ohmygoodnessgracious, I mentioned nothing about Tim Russert.

    But I couldn't do anything about it at that point because edit time was over.




    But I do apologize because I was going to talk about Tim Russert and just got off on a tangent about the other things being discussed in the thread.


    Is that still a hijack?

    Anyway, I'll say something about Tim Russert now.

    I like him as a person. I think he's basically decent.

    I do think he leads guests around on his show in a manner which would get a prosecuting attorney into trouble.

    I don't think I have a problem with the notion he's an Republican enabler (although he very well may be). Instead, I think, too often, his question includes the (an) answer and he gets those guests so willing to reply, "Well, yes. That's essentially it" too often.

    If his questions aren't "leading" then they seem overly-complete (as in so thorough as to barely require a reply).



    I don't dislike him. I think he serves a function. He's like the Charlie Rose for the middle class.

    I prefer a lot of C-Span, quite frankly where they allow a question to be asked (lasting all of 15 seconds) giving the interviewee the bulk of time to reply and explain.


    ohmygoodness, I hate to think I hijacked. I never do that on purpose.
    I'm just a very passionate person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    3) don't know Tom Reynolds - perhaps he is a mope - doesn't make Nagin competent or any better

    What is a mope?
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    Centex - I was not quoting you as saying Tim is a mouthpiece for Bush - I was responding to the other response that did (not you)

    I dvr Tim every week - and watch the show religiously

    I've seen him with every major Republican from the Senate and House - Dems too - Cabinet members. Soon he will have the Repub/Dem Senate candidates from a particular state and he will grill both evenly on their positions, flip flops, record, etc. In my opinion he is always the same. He asks tough questions and when they are not answered, he follows up. He never gets nasty - no point in doing so. He is civil w/o being soft - that's how I see it. When I watch/listen to his interviews I have no idea what HIS point of view is. To me, that is the key. Others can't wait to tell you what they think. He knows what's important is what Joe Biden or John McCain or Condi Rice has to say. Russert is there to bridge them and us, the viewers.

    I read his autobiography about growing up in Buffalo - dad was a garbageman plus had other jobs - always told his son "doesn't matter what you do - just that you do your best" - sappy I know. Check it out - a really good read

    Sorry I can't think of a particular interview - it's close to 11pm here and I'm a bit wiped.

    Thanks for reaching out with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    What is a mope?
    It's a cross between a moron and a dope

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    Russert is as good as it gets
    Then Lord help us all!!

    I thought Tim Russert and Chris Matthews were the same person.

    I don't think Valerie Plame is a big fan of Ruseert.
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    It's a cross between a moron and a dope
    I had never heard that before. I need to get out more.
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    I like Paul Harvey, do I get points for that?
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    I like Paul Harvey, do I get points for that?
    Is he still alive?

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    Barely!

    He was on the radio today.
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    Re: Tim Russert back on Meet The Press

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Centex - I was not quoting you as saying Tim is a mouthpiece for Bush - I was responding to the other response that did (not you)

    I dvr Tim every week - and watch the show religiously

    I've seen him with every major Republican from the Senate and House - Dems too - Cabinet members. Soon he will have the Repub/Dem Senate candidates from a particular state and he will grill both evenly on their positions, flip flops, record, etc. In my opinion he is always the same. He asks tough questions and when they are not answered, he follows up. He never gets nasty - no point in doing so. He is civil w/o being soft - that's how I see it. When I watch/listen to his interviews I have no idea what HIS point of view is. To me, that is the key. Others can't wait to tell you what they think. He knows what's important is what Joe Biden or John McCain or Condi Rice has to say. Russert is there to bridge them and us, the viewers.

    I read his autobiography about growing up in Buffalo - dad was a garbageman plus had other jobs - always told his son "doesn't matter what you do - just that you do your best" - sappy I know. Check it out - a really good read

    Sorry I can't think of a particular interview - it's close to 11pm here and I'm a bit wiped.

    Thanks for reaching out with this.
    I don't know, I guess I'll have to give Russert another look.

    Every now and again, I get "information overload" and the last time I watched Meet the Press, Russert struck me as more Bill O'Reilly than someone who didn't have a predetermined opinion.

    He must be doing something right. Meet the Press is supposed to be the top rated news show in it's category.
    Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

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    Re: Tim Russert back on Meet The Press

    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    wouldn't they have had the BIGGEST spontaneous and unaided multiple rectal orgasm if New Orleans' mayor were a lesbian single-parent divorced black liberal Democrat female, huh?

    I see your well rested.

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