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    McCain Faults Administration on Iraq

    Democrats aren't the only ones who question the handling of the Iraq post-war invasion. Bush remains steadfast in his current assessment of the Iraq situation. According to him, we will not leave there as long as he is the President. What we haven't heard from him is a viable solution beyond just staying the course. If we're in this to win, don't we need more troops as McCain has consistently advocated?

    More troops are needed in Iraq and more troops are needed in Afghanistan. The size of our military just isn't large enough to win both wars at the same time. I certainly don't have the answer and it's painfully obvious to most everyone else that President Bush doesn't either.

    McCain Faults Administration on Iraq
    by John McCarthy, Associated Press Writer
    Tuesday, August 22, 2006

    UPDATED 1 HOUR 27 MINUTES AGO
    COLUMBUS, Ohio - Republican Sen. John McCain, a staunch defender of the Iraq war, on Tuesday faulted the Bush administration for misleading Americans into believing the conflict would be "some kind of day at the beach."

    The potential 2008 presidential candidate, who a day earlier had rejected calls for withdrawing U.S. forces, said the administration had failed to make clear the challenges facing the military.

    "I think one of the biggest mistakes we made was underestimating the size of the task and the sacrifices that would be required," McCain said. "Stuff happens, mission accomplished, last throes, a few dead-enders. I'm just more familiar with those statements than anyone else because it grieves me so much that we had not told the American people how tough and difficult this task would be."

    Those phrases are closely associated with top members of the Bush administration, including the president.

    Bush stood below a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" on May 1, 2003 after the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime. The war has continued since then, with the death of more than 2,600 members of the U.S. military. Vice President Dick Cheney said last year that the Iraqi insurgency was "in its final throes."

    The Arizona senator said that talk "has contributed enormously to the frustration that Americans feel today because they were led to believe this could be some kind of day at the beach, which many of us fully understood from the beginning would be a very, very difficult undertaking."

    McCain was campaigning for Republican Sen. Mike DeWine, who faces a tough fight in his re-election bid against Democratic challenger Rep. Sherrod Brown. Ohio was decisive in the 2004 presidential election, ensuring Bush's win, and is certain to be critical in 2008.

    Senate Democrats, meanwhile, said Tuesday that the best way to encourage Iraqis to get their political house in order is to begin a phased withdrawal from Iraq by the end of this year. Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, said the longer the U.S. stays the course in Iraq, "the weaker we're going to be in the war on terrorism."

    Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he was glad to hear McCain has realized "we need more than tough talk" on Iraq.

    "It's time we win the war on terror," said Reid. "To do that we must change the course in Iraq."

    On Monday, McCain said at an appearance in suburban Cleveland that if U.S. troops announce a specific date to leave Iraq, insurgents will bide their time until they have an opportunity to act without interference.

    "The chaos that would ensue would have direct implications for our national security," McCain said.

    DeWine said Congress would not have had the chance to authorize the war if the intelligence on Iraq's military capability and intentions were accurate. "It would never have come up for a vote so it would have been an entirely different situation," he said.

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    The next president will have to deal with the ramifications of the Iraq war and the Middle East.No matter how justified or ill-advised the War was,the conduct of the Reconstruction has been so mishandled and incompetent,so unprepared for the realities of a state with many competing interests ready to explode if a vacuum was created...which most certainly happened.

    If the new president is Republican,I only see two real leaders with the standing and credibility to lead the country,McCain and Chuck Hagel.I don't know if the current Democrats have anyone comparable who can run and get the nomination-certainly not from their left flank.
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    I think it's all bullshit.

    Republican's like McCain can soften up the "stay the course" stance, to make his party "appear" to be more in line with mainstream America's dissappointments with how the Bush Administration has been handling Iraq, thus taking some of the steam out of any Democrats criticism of the Republican Party as a whole. Therefore helping some Republicans hold their seats, when the expected shit storm hits the fan at the polls this November.

    We still have two more years of Bush's propaganda, and imcompetance remember? It's too early to be talking about who the next president will be, when we've got a potential shift in power to contend with between now and the next Presidential elections.

    For the Republicans it's all about continued lies and manipulation so that they can stay in power. McCain is just one of his party's foot-soldiers.

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    maybe bush will hire illegals to do "the jobs americans wont do"

    and mccain too he loves them all and wants them all here

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    Thursday, Aug 24 8 AM EDT

    I am watching the 'Imus in the Morning' show on MSNBC. They just showed a clip of John McCain being interviewed by Chris Matthews of 'Hardball' back in March 2003, apparently just after we starting to invade Iraq.

    Matthews asked McCain if he thought we would be greeted as liberators by the Iraqi people? McCain's answer was 'Absolutely I believe that'. Just the other day he was giving the President hell for not anticipating the opposite!

    LOL, those pesky taped interviews have a way of coming back to bite these politicians in the ass when they least expect it.

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    ^^ see above post

    Quote Originally Posted by smelter44 View Post
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    Just the other day he was giving the President hell for not anticipating the opposite!
    Here is a link to an article of his comments:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060822/...co/mccain_iraq

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelter44 View Post
    Thursday, Aug 24 8 AM EDT

    I am watching the 'Imus in the Morning' show on MSNBC. They just showed a clip of John McCain being interviewed by Chris Matthews of 'Hardball' back in March 2003, apparently just after we starting to invade Iraq.

    Matthews asked McCain if he thought we would be greeted as liberators by the Iraqi people? McCain's answer was 'Absolutely I believe that'. Just the other day he was giving the President hell for not anticipating the opposite!

    LOL, those pesky taped interviews have a way of coming back to bite these politicians in the ass when they least expect it.
    I just watched that as well smelter. What a hypocrite. Is he that stupid,to forget what he said? Its not that long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman34 View Post
    I just watched that as well smelter. What a hypocrite. Is he that stupid,to forget what he said? Its not that long ago.
    Vanman, I am so disillusioned with all politicians right now. Not too long ago, I felt John McCain was a Republican I could vote for and not have to hold my nose. I can't bring myself to back Hillary Clinton, who most likely will be the Democratic nominee ....

    Where are the Great Statesmen of either party anymore? They all seem to be pathetic lightweights by comparison, who don't have a clue, and will do or say anything to get elected and re-elected. It is really sad!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelter44 View Post
    Where are the Great Statesmen of either party anymore? They all seem to be pathetic lightweights by comparison, who don't have a clue, and will do or say anything to get elected and re-elected. It is really sad!!!!!!
    I so agree. McCain hasn't really ever impressed me enough to want to vote for him.

    What we need is an individual who will break away from the extremes of their party and tell the American people the way it is and their view of how to make true change.

    Democrats are offering extremists like Nancy Pelosi (which scares the shit out of me to think she may very well become the next Speaker) and Hilary Clinton (who I don't believe will be strong enough to win her party's nomination next year). The Dems definitely need a moderate voice and I'd seriously take a look at them. Ideally, they need a New Democrat Party (New Labour?) to bring them back from the extremes.

    The GOP is no better. The religious right has entrenched itself into the party at all levels, alienating thousands along the way. Thank God Pat Robertson's vocal influence is diminishing. But every potential candidate is puking up much the same rhetoric. McCain doesn't work for me. There's something odd about him that just doesn't sit well for me. Another Bush (Jeb) is out of the question. Frist isn't presidential in my opinion, and he's done a piss-poor job of leading the Senate Republicans. And the remaining senators are too lightweight for serious consideration at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelter44 View Post
    Vanman, I am so disillusioned with all politicians right now. Not too long ago, I felt John McCain was a Republican I could vote for and not have to hold my nose. I can't bring myself to back Hillary Clinton, who most likely will be the Democratic nominee ....

    Where are the Great Statesmen of either party anymore? They all seem to be pathetic lightweights by comparison, who don't have a clue, and will do or say anything to get elected and re-elected. It is really sad!!!!!!
    I agree...the whole political scene is turning me off...to the point of no interest these days. We need a great new leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenavy2003 View Post
    I so agree.
    I was drafted into the army way back in 1965 when Vietnam was really starting to get hot. LOL I didn't flee to Canada then, but I'm considering doing it now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman34 View Post
    We need a great new leader.
    Ah yes, the real right wing dream - a great leader!

    What we need is an electorate that is not so goddamn stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman34 View Post
    I agree...the whole political scene is turning me off...to the point of no interest these days. We need a great new leader.
    McCain has been a critic of the way the Iraq War was handled,for a long time.He said something many incorrectly believed three years ago,but has over the past couple of years been consistently a critic of how the situation was playing out,so the hypocrite label does not work for me.Everyone can be selectively called to task,but if one has been consistent in their beliefs over the past two years,criticizing Rumsfeld,calling for more troops when they were clearly needed ,etc,a person can evolve their thinking on a situation without being called a hypocrite.


    That said,Steve may be right-there is no reason to continue the current two-party setup,there needs to be serious consideration of a third party,centrist and intent to reject the current lack of leadership,and push out the influence of the religious right and new McGovernite left,and bring a truly competitive voice into the political marketplace of ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smelter44 View Post
    I was drafted into the army way back in 1965 when Vietnam was really starting to get hot. LOL I didn't flee to Canada then, but I'm considering doing it now!
    No,you wouldn't really be considering it now-aren't Hawkins and his Conservatives the Canadian equivalent of Bush and the GOP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Ah yes, the real right wing dream - a great leader!

    What we need is an electorate that is not so goddamn stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    I think it's all bullshit.

    Republican's like McCain can soften up the "stay the course" stance, to make his party "appear" to be more in line with mainstream America's dissappointments with how the Bush Administration has been handling Iraq, thus taking some of the steam out of any Democrats criticism of the Republican Party as a whole. Therefore helping some Republicans hold their seats, when the expected shit storm hits the fan at the polls this November.

    We still have two more years of Bush's propaganda, and incompetence remember? It's too early to be talking about who the next president will be, when we've got a potential shift in power to contend with between now and the next Presidential elections.

    For the Republicans it's all about continued lies and manipulation so that they can stay in power. McCain is just one of his party's foot-soldiers.

    "My Name is President Bush, and I endorsed McCain's message."
    I respect you,and you know I luv 'ya,Centex.McCain isn't immune from criticism,I have some disagreements with him.However,he is a man who honorably served his country,spent several years as a prisoner of war at the infamous Hanoi Hilton,and has been one of the most consistent Deficit hawks(Even going so far to not support the Bush tax cuts until the budget could be brought into balance),a strong and honorable voice on foreign policy,whether Bosnia or Kosovo,opposing torture as a means of interrogation,despite his early euphoria fairly quickly taking the Bush Administration to task on the incompetence and bureaucratic ineptitude on the handling of security and reconstruction.He is to Republican conservatives what Joe Lieberman is to Democratic liberals,meaning both must be doing something right.

    To paint Republicans with a broad brush is as unfair as to say certain liberal Democrats really represent the party.There may well be a change of the national political canvas in November,and if the Republicans lose one or both houses of Congress,the ir failure as well as that of the Bush Administration to measurably improve short and long term the lot of the American people will have been deserved.But to cast all Republicans,even heroic ones like McCain,as part of a bullshit strategy to remain in power is overreaching and unfair.I was rightly taken to task by you for personally attacking in a nasty manner Helen Thomas,and for consistency's sake,just don't attack the character of someone you happen to disagree with.That's the problem in Washington and here in JUB,criticism must get personal,nasty,and point to a lack of character and integrity of your opponent,not just that they're wrong,misguided,but they are all deceptive,criminal,evil,complicit,without character,dishonorable.Some are,but life is full of shades of grey,not simplistic ideological certitudes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Ah yes, the real right wing dream - a great leader!

    What we need is an electorate that is not so goddamn stupid.

    No, what we need is an electorate that understands that no one MAN or WOMAN has all the right answers to our problems and challenges. And, it takes leadership to make bold decisions to effect change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sausageeater View Post
    I respect you,and you know I luv 'ya,Centex.McCain isn't immune from criticism,I have some disagreements with him.However,he is a man who honorably served his country,spent several years as a prisoner of war at the infamous Hanoi Hilton,and has been one of the most consistent Deficit hawks(Even going so far to not support the Bush tax cuts until the budget could be brought into balance),a strong and honorable voice on foreign policy,whether Bosnia or Kosovo,opposing torture as a means of interrogation,despite his early euphoria fairly quickly taking the Bush Administration to task on the incompetence and bureaucratic ineptitude on the handling of security and reconstruction.He is to Republican conservatives what Joe Lieberman is to Democratic liberals,meaning both must be doing something right.

    To paint Republicans with a broad brush is as unfair as to say certain liberal Democrats really represent the party.There may well be a change of the national political canvas in November,and if the Republicans lose one or both houses of Congress,the ir failure as well as that of the Bush Administration to measurably improve short and long term the lot of the American people will have been deserved.But to cast all Republicans,even heroic ones like McCain,as part of a bullshit strategy to remain in power is overreaching and unfair.I was rightly taken to task by you for personally attacking in a nasty manner Helen Thomas,and for consistency's sake,just don't attack the character of someone you happen to disagree with.That's the problem in Washington and here in JUB,criticism must get personal,nasty,and point to a lack of character and integrity of your opponent,not just that they're wrong,misguided,but they are all deceptive,criminal,evil,complicit,without character,dishonorable.Some are,but life is full of shades of grey,not simplistic ideological certitudes.
    I'm not questioning McCain's service to this country, I'm not even questioning his character.

    All that I was stating, is that he's mouth piece for his party. There's nothing new about what McCain is doing. McCain can state what many in the Bush Administration can't. 'We effed up...'

    There once was a time where even I considered voting for McCain when he was on the Presidential ticket. Now that time has passed, and remember now why I didn't.

    There's nothing that McCain can do to ever win me back, war record or not.
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    The root of the trouble is that neither major party actually wants voters who think -- because voters who think would see through them, and find new parties. So we end up with politicians who can say three diffrerent things about the same subject in the span of a month, and no one notices. Clinton was the master of that, but the runners-up are numerous... then there's the Dubya approach, which is to say nothing at all while sounding humble, so his spin-meisters can turn it into whatever will make the most points with the dumbed-down electorate.

    Maybe we should institute a draft of everyone who doesn't vote -- at least that would get some new blood in the picture! And who knows -- maybe the ones who aren't voting are the educated ones!

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    I saw McCain on MTP last Sunday. He looked very Presidential in my opinion. He did not "rip" the President and said that Rumsfield's situation is his decision - that while he thinks he should step down, not his call. He deferred.

    He's on record that we needed and need more troops - no pull out

    I'ver heard stories that behind the scenes he has one real nasty temper and perhaps this could trip him up on the campaign trail - that as an underdog last time, it was easy. Now as a frontrunner (with Rudy) - different story.

    I respect him. I like the Maverick streak and I think he has principles. I'd like to see him get the nomination and then who knows?

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    McCain is a bit of a hypocrite, but my biggest problem with him is that he's anti-self-defense, which in my book means he's pro-crime, because his position keeps us all in the victim/prey category.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    McCain. John "Manchurian Candidate" McCain. John "Keating Five" McCain. John "Let me rim ya agin' Georgey, this time let me get what appears to be a bit of brown fecal matter" McCain. John "Maverick" McCain, a so-called "man" who sluts himself and grovels at the size six shoes of Little Boots Bush. McCain -- more Barbara Stanwick than Ronnie Reagan, and that dolt Ronnie wasn't nothing but a little turd in the punch bowl of American life.

    Now, personally, I think screwball McCain jumped the shark when he tongued Coward Bush's bellybutton on the advent of kooky McCain's 95th birthday during Katrina, but that's just me.

    Queen of Diamonds, anyone? How about a swim in Central Park Lake, Raymond?

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    Some good points there on McCain, Alfie, though the sexual imagery is a bit off and far out -- I like you better when you stick to facts. The man is too much a slimy politician for presidential material, but then for quite some time the American people have enjoyed electing slimy politicians.

    I have to disagree on Reagan, though -- I think he got elected because he wasn't a slimy politician, he was a genuinely friendly and sincere man who resonated with voters. On the domestic scene... his record makes me shudder, but in foreign affairs he ranks in the tops of our presidents -- because he played poker with the Soviets, and they folded (and we're stuck with the bill... still....).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    I have to disagree on Reagan, though -- I think he got elected because he wasn't a slimy politician, he was a genuinely friendly and sincere man who resonated with voters. On the domestic scene... his record makes me shudder, but in foreign affairs he ranks in the tops of our presidents -- because he played poker with the Soviets, and they folded (and we're stuck with the bill... still....).
    Reagan was kooky from Day One and he was a manifest coward, too. Of course, he became a coward when he became a so-called "Republican." Even his wife hated him, though I think she was a congenital man-hater, if you will.

    Now, Sir, you've been lax with your facts and that is manifestly clear. I observe your exchanges with Nick Cole and think, OMG, there goes ANOTHER whopper. That won't do, Sir, it just won't.

    FICTION: You so-called "claim" that Poopy Reagan played so-called "poker" with the Commies and won all the matchsticks. WRONG. FACT: The USSR fell of its own accumulated weight, not from the laughable so-called "STAR WARS" doomsday devices of Rocket Ronnie -- that is clear, history tell no lies (or few lies, really). Those punks in Kremlin Kountry knew Ronnie to be gaga. Sadly, good old "666" seems to have confounded those less read among us.


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    Now, Sir, you've been lax with your facts and that is manifestly clear. I observe your exchanges with Nick Cole and think, OMG, there goes ANOTHER whopper. That won't do, Sir, it just won't.

    FICTION: You so-called "claim" that Poopy Reagan played so-called "poker" with the Commies and won all the matchsticks. WRONG. FACT: The USSR fell of its own accumulated weight, not from the laughable so-called "STAR WARS" doomsday devices of Rocket Ronnie -- that is clear, history tell no lies (or few lies, really). Those punks in Kremlin Kountry knew Ronnie to be gaga. Sadly, good old "666" seems to have confounded those less read among us.

    I won't comment on your amazing involvement in the Reagan's personal lives, except to ask what listening devices you used, and do you have film?

    My mom reads books from the History Book Club, and she has shown me sections in a half dozen, by American, British, and Russian authors, attributing the collapse of the Soviet Union to Reagan's efforts at making the U.S. untouchable. WE could (sort of) afford to spend the billions on unlikely projects, but their economy wouldn't take the burden required to match us. "Star Wars" was unlikely to begin with, but with Reagan's happy confidence, many Soviets actually believed it would work. No, they didn't collapse from the devices, but from trying to up their military spending to try to match what they feared was real... and the weight was just too much for the house of cards they'd been playing in for decades, and it came tumbling down.
    I know you probably won't believe that; you've bought into the Reagan-as-idiot propaganda too deeply.

    I still want to know who's going to pay for all those chips he put on the table.....
    and what we can do about GWB, who seems to have larned the wrong lesson from Ronnie Raygun.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I won't comment on your amazing involvement in the Reagan's personal lives, except to ask what listening devices you used, and do you have film?
    Deduction, Comrade Kay, deduction.

    My mom reads books from the History Book Club, and she has shown me sections in a half dozen, by American, British, and Russian authors, attributing the collapse of the Soviet Union to Reagan's efforts at making the U.S. untouchable.
    Ah, the so-called "Mom and Dadum's" Defense -- very cagey; Sadly, Sir, uncited. I find it's fun to be read to by Momums, but rather unbecoming in one's post-formative years, dontchaknow. Try picking up a book yourself -- LIBERATING, Sir, absolutely LIBERATING! They don't bite.




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    I think this is the first time that I've seen the History Book Club used as a cite on this forum.

    Perhaps a cite from DC Comics is to follow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    I think this is the first time that I've seen the History Book Club used as a cite on this forum.

    Perhaps a cite from DC Comics is to follow?
    It's all the pretty color pictures and BIG BIG FONTS that are SO purrrrrrrsuasive.

    Speaking of BIG BIG FONTS and a pretty picture indeed, where oh where is my Maltesian Lap Dog?


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    He's been here infrequently as of late. The last time we chatted he mentioned being busy with work. But my hunch is that he's volunteering his time to the Harold Ford for Senator campaign.
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    Alfie, I tend to read roughly a hundred books a year. My main area of reading is, however, scientific, not politics or history unless my mom highly recommends a book. She reads history and biographyt and shares what's interesting; I read astronomy and physics and such and share what's interesting.
    And the books she reads are generally by people who were there, so I trust what she's found.

    I've also seen, and gotten tired of, all the gymnastics used to try to say the Soviet Union would have collapsed without Raygun Ronnie. Face the fact that he finally faced them down instead of just "containing" them, and they folded and tumbled from the table... and he skipped gaily away leaving us with the tab.

    As for McCain... he isn't even close to Ronnie's stature; Reagan was at least honest.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Alfie, I tend to read roughly a hundred books a year. My main area of reading is, however, scientific, not politics or history unless my mom highly recommends a book. She reads history and biographyt and shares what's interesting; I read astronomy and physics and such and share what's interesting.
    And the books she reads are generally by people who were there, so I trust what she's found.
    Well then get Mom on the phone -- I have grave reservations, Sir, grave reservations indeed on taking your Mom's word without verification that Little K isn't, you know, fudging on Le Facts. You know, "trust but check caller ID," Ronnie's commie policy?

    I've also seen, and gotten tired of, all the gymnastics used to try to say the Soviet Union would have collapsed without Raygun Ronnie. Face the fact that he finally faced them down instead of just "containing" them, and they folded and tumbled from the table... and he skipped gaily away leaving us with the tab.
    LOL!!! "Coward Ronnie?" "Fight" for something? Please -- Ronnie's the one who put the "th" in "thissy."

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    ... and he skipped gaily away leaving us with the tab.
    Hm, "he" being Ronald Reagan that "skipped gaily away leaving us with the tab"? I thought it wasn't until Bush I that Communism officially fell, which would put the concern of the tab in the hands of Bush I and his successors. I'm certain some Bush I, Clinton, or Bush II fans will love to jump in and tell us if any of them has had much concern over dismantling the military-industrial complex Eisenhower suggested we do decades ago or refocus the federal government spending away from so-called "defense" and toward reduction of the debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Hm, "he" being Ronald Reagan that "skipped gaily away leaving us with the tab"? I thought it wasn't until Bush I that Communism officially fell, which would put the concern of the tab in the hands of Bush I and his successors. I'm certain some Bush I, Clinton, or Bush II fans will love to jump in and tell us if any of them has had much concern over dismantling the military-industrial complex Eisenhower suggested we do decades ago or refocus the federal government spending away from so-called "defense" and toward reduction of the debt.
    If we had presidents who actually followed the pledge to uphold and defend the Constitution, there wouldn't be any debt. Defense is one thing the government does that is actually authorized in the Constitution -- transportation, education, energy, urban development, and on and on, aren't. Gt rid of the unauthorized parts, and we have an incredible surplus that could get rid of the debt in a couple of decades.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave:
    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    He's been here infrequently as of late. The last time we chatted he mentioned being busy with work. But my hunch is that he's volunteering his time to the Harold Ford for Senator campaign.
    You mean help the Dems win the most critical race? The vital sixth Senate "pick up" for Les Dems? Maltese? Mother of Jefferson Davis, I do believe Maltese and me (me being bi, as in "bipartisan") should caucus post haste I've been waiting for this moment of ipso facto delictomundo, dontchaknow.

    Let me scatter some blood in the water to attract our sharkish pal:




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    You mean help the Dems win the most critical race? The vital sixth Senate "pick up" for Les Dems? Maltese? Mother of Jefferson Davis, I do believe Maltese and me (me being bi, as in "bipartisan") should caucus post haste I've been waiting for this moment of ipso facto delictomundo, dontchaknow.
    Why, Heavens to Betsy! Blood in the water indeed! The Dark Lord pops up, Snaps gets to say something other than "Now children, let's play nice!"'; AND Alfie shows up all in one evening! Mon Dieu!

    But really, Alfie-dear... I would have thought you would have taken advantage of your time to bring us much better photos of the primped and preening photogenic poochie, not the results of a Democratic agricultural program. And that last post, not even a single mention of le Bush. I know you need to work up to it, but you could have at least called me Mary for old times sake.

    As for dear old Harold, Jr....

    Apparently the Democratic party thinks the best way to fight the 'culture of corruption' in Washington and breath a breath of fresh air into a town full of dynastic politicians is to.... nominate the latest scion of family of crooks, even whilst his uncle is explaining away bribery and threatening federal agents ON TAPE...

    I guess at last they've made a good case as to why they shouldn't be the party of 'family values'.

    Days like this I have to think that the Republicans get to get away with being this incompetent because the Democrats really are this stupid.

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    Do I know my Pugs or do I? Rattle their cage! Throw 'em some read meat -- maybe a brain-dead woman, even -- and like rats, they come running to Papa Piper Dontchaknow!

    Quote Originally Posted by maltese View Post
    Why, Heavens to Betsy! Blood in the water indeed! The Dark Lord pops up, Snaps gets to say something other than "Now children, let's play nice!"'; AND Alfie shows up all in one evening! Mon Dieu!
    To top it off, 'Tessa, "The Tennessee Nut-And-Ball-Sack Twister," makes a cameo touchdown, and a real F4 on the Fujita scale, too!!

    But really, Alfie-dear... I would have thought you would have taken advantage of your time to bring us much better photos of the primped and preening photogenic poochie, not the results of a Democratic agricultural program...
    Good one...

    I'll have you know two of these photos are highly prized and selling well -- I guess it's an Upper West Side story, the traditional sunflower pandemic on some UWS streets. Great political metaphor, too, documenting the Real Life Struggle between good, wholesome Democratic "dare to struggle, dare to win" seeds, breaking through the oppressive Republican-laid concrete.

    And that last post, not even a single mention of le Bush. I know you need to work up to it, but you could have at least called me Mary for old times sake.
    Bush is an incidental annoyance at this juncture.

    You may be a Mary to the Entire Free World (and you thought the ice caps were the only thing shrrrrrrrrinking????), but you'll always be Sister WOEman to me.





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