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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Iran's most likely "serious response" : Up yours!

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    I don't expect much. Iran does not have any real incentive to stop the nuclear program and China and Russia still want to do business with them. The US has never been weaker, we are weak in the Middle East and and have lost most of our influence with the Russians.

    Had George and Condi had set out to sabotage American foreign policy they could not have done a better job.

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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Again, I have to remind everyone to please cite your source and provide a link back to your source in your post.

    We've said this enough that everyone should know, so I'm going to start cracking down harder on this.
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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Iran knows that if they get the bomb, the U.S. will basically just leave them alone and let them keep it - like North Korea. If we don't leave them alone, it will disrupt the petroleum supply, which we are SO totally addicted to (in the best interests of Bush, Cheney, Rice, et. al., of course). This is one of the reasons I'm trying to do so much traveling NOW...I don't think we're far off from where long-range driving will become virtually impossible. If not from 70's-type gas rationing, it may be because of thorough inspections every fifty miles to keep us safe from terrorism.
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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by wvguy645 View Post
    A) My cited reference is the third word in my post, which is CNN.

    B) If you don't know CNN's web site, that's pretty sad.

    C) I will make sure to create a hyperlink in the future.

    Ta Ta
    Perhaps you haven't logged on to CNN recently. There are thousands of pages. I take it that you just couldn't be troubled to provide a link? And we're supposed to take you seriously here?

    I do appreciate your posts containing proper citation, and I trust that your next post will be without the nasty sarcasm.
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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    This is the what... third time Iran has said this? Iran and N. Korea always claim these "talks" that never happen. I don't even know why its reported as news. Nobody takes it seriously, not even Iran. It just stalls and buys time.

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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    This is the what... third time Iran has said this? Iran and N. Korea always claim these "talks" that never happen. I don't even know why its reported as news. Nobody takes it seriously, not even Iran. It just stalls and buys time.
    As long as Russia and China refuse to consider sanctions,the game will be played and in a year or so,no one will be able to do a bloody thing about it.It is the international community to blame for not growing balls and holding Iran accountable if this scenario doesn't change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wvguy645 View Post
    I believe the U.S. has been weaker, oh lets say, the great depression. Although politically we are frowned upon, we are still the military superpower of the world, and the second largest economy.
    The Great Depression was a world wide phenomena, everyone was affected. I can't think of much that we can do with our military at this moment in history and our economy seems to be more of a boon to China at the moment. We have seldom had less leverage in the world than we do at this time. Don't take my word for it, just watch Iran, N. Korea, and the lack of support we get from Russia and China.

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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Serious negotiations?It's the international version of the four-corners college basketball offense before the shot clock was shortened to thirty seconds.Stall,hold the issue in limbo as long as possible,constant talk of negotiation and dialogue,all going nowhere.Iran is sitting pretty-as long as Russia and China have her back in rejecting sanctions,as long as the UN and the European community talk of diplomacy and progress and the need to avoid tension and cultural offense with Iran,as long as the United States has a nimrod in charge like Bush who fucked up Iraq so much he has lost credibility,as long as Israel is in internal political disarray over the failed attempt to crush Hezbollah once and for all-Iran is completely in the driver's seat,cruising along and counting the months it can finally reveal its true intentions to the world and fuck everyone over.International diplomacy-gotta love it!
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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    I had to do a doubletake when I saw that and who said it. I guess this is what happens when one is gone for so long, hm?

    Nice post though, man!
    No,I haven't become liberal,LOL!But George Bush 's mishandling of a War I thought was justifiable has left Iraq potentially worse off than before,facing a real possibility of civil war that he appears to not comprehend seriously could happen and make the region messier and more dangerous,not more stable.Unless Iraq gets its act together soon,which because of the rise of sectarianism and violence appears wishful thinking at this point,how can the world take whatever Bush says or does on Iran seriously?The massive ineptitude that has occurred on Bush's watch is something we and the world cannot afford.

    One more shock for you,Ico-the next time the United States faces the possibility of war,because of the grave nature of the situation and to have a public acknowledgment of the contingencies and consequences of what will possibly or probably happen,there should be a public vote and declaration of war by Congress.Everyone must take responsibility for what is about to be done and make it known where they stand and why-no more giving the president the authority to carry out his policies by a blanket okay of a resolution.it is Congress's to declare war,not pass the buck to give a president carte blanche.
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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by ICO7 View Post
    Nothing that I haven't felt and said myself since the first utterances of a potential war with Iraq. However, I am still curious about something: still for staying in Iraq and getting the job done?
    Unless it is untenable,yes....but we have to behind the scenes make it clear to the Iraqi leadership get your act together,learn to take control of this security situation in a year or so,or we pull back to outside Iraq unless our interests are threatened directly.I think we did the right thing,but handled the aftermath so poorly,so without vision,competence and leadership,that we may have made things so bad that it wasn't ultimately worth the effort and sacrifice of our troops.I know that in that part of the world though,openly cutting your losses and exiting only makes the radicals and terrorists bold and contemptuous,and gives them openings to gain control of the situation.The rest of the world will not stand up to them resolutely,so publicly stating any timetable for leaving is tantamount to acknowledging victory to them.That I will not do.
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    ^I'm glad to see that you have taken the first step on the long road to reality. Your next step is to acknowledge that Iraq was a far too risky an endeavor for any President to embark on, particularly on the basis of bad intell and downright lies. Good intentions were the problem with this war, good intentions (like Vietnam) justified a war that was otherwise unjustifiable. Everyone, Bush, Tom Friedman and the press, Hillary and the Dems, was naive about what could be accomplished.

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    Re: Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

    Sausageeater I think its an interesting question how the country would have reacted if the Bush administration had been more realistic about the war and had asked the country to make some scarifice such as reduced tax cuts to pay for it.

    Given the tenor of the times I'd bet they would have gotten the support they seemed afraid to ask for. Had they done that perhaps fewer would be against the war today as people would feel more apart of the battle.

    If Iraq had played out as we were told it would today we would be planing our invasion of Iran instead of planning how to accept their nuclear capability.

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