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    What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Usually the people that do it are only having fun, and I don't see any problem unless the person who made the thread has a problem. But now it seems that it is being more cracked down upon.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    i dont know...i hadn't noticed. did some one get yelled at?

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Just seen Zeremonie keeping a big eye out on it. I guess it is happening a little too often lately?

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    I haven't been on in a week, but the last time I was here the threads were confusing me more than usual. I say cracking down on some hijacking is a good thing.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    There are threads where you can hijack things right and left. Most of those are not located in HT. But frankly if a small group of individuals turns an honest thread with a topic into their private conversation it chills others from posting in it, and it is downright rude.

    True, an isolated incidence of this means nothing. When it becomes a pattern in many threads, it's a problem. Seems like I see a lot of it whenever I'm online (weekends and evenings), and it seems to be the same players over and over again.

    Frankly, if the original JUBber has been offended by the hijack, he or she is unlikely to PM a mod or admin. It's human nature that for every one person who complains there are many more who bite their tongues. When I get PMs from JUBbers concerned about their threads being hijacked, I know it's time to step in.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    its just one more thing I don't get, but its not my site

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    ok just saw that myself. i sent her a comment and asked what was up.

    honestly hijacking a non serious thread...i don't see an issue with. if that is going to be handled seriously with points then i'm going to complain. And I dont do that much. I mean seriously points for hijacking non serious threads? is that a new rule or and old one that wasn't enforced? if it's a new one who do we need to talk to about getting it removed? how many of us would it take to ask politely that it be removed?

    the forums seem to be getting bogged down with rules. at some point you can have to many. it becomes unwheldly (sp?).

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeremonie View Post
    There are threads where you can hijack things right and left. Most of those are not located in HT. But frankly if a small group of individuals turns an honest thread with a topic into their private conversation it chills others from posting in it, and it is downright rude.<snip>
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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    God, I hope I'm not one that hijacks threads...that we are talking about.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Don't mean to point fingers at all, so, I'm not trying to single you out Z. Just noticed last night in one thread, and tonight, that's all.

    But, if you're getting PM's about it by people than I can understand. Myself, I usually don't mind if a thread of mine got turned the wrong way, unless it became bickering between two people.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike_n_herrin View Post
    honestly hijacking a non serious thread...i don't see an issue with. if that is going to be handled seriously with points then i'm going to complain. And I dont do that much. I mean seriously points for hijacking non serious threads? is that a new rule or and old one that wasn't enforced? if it's a new one who do we need to talk to about getting it removed? how many of us would it take to ask politely that it be removed?

    the forums seem to be getting bogged down with rules. at some point you can have to many. it becomes unwheldly (sp?).
    Yeah, I agree. You don't want to hijack a serious thread, but c'mon--a thread about misspelled thread titles?!

    I just thought it was idle banter. A little slap on the wrist would be fine (like a PM).

    But, oooh, I've never got a warning point before. Does that mean I'll get to sit with the cool kids in the back of the bus?
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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    God, I hope I'm not one that hijacks threads...that we are talking about.
    Same here. I don't exactly know what hijacking means.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by eddielee View Post
    Same here. I don't exactly know what hijacking means.
    Basically, if you're discussing something like getting stitches for a large cut and another poster comes along and totally takes over the thread with a discussion about cats eating their flowers... that's considered hijacking.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    a hijack ...i think is basically when two or more individuals basicaly carry on a conversation in a thread that has nothing to do with the thread title. or at least that's what i think it is.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    While I agree that the hijacking of serious threads is discourteous, one does have to wonder:

    If the owners of this board did not expect a certain amount of thread hijacking, all in the spirit of fun, why, then, did they include a smilie on this forum?

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Touche, RL...

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    I promise I'll never do it again, though I feel a tad squelched.

    And I'd like to mention publically, I apologized to a certain thread starter a day or so ago, via PM for the rather egregious hijack that I was partner to in his rather serious thread.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Well said RL....


    Quote Originally Posted by RationalLunacy View Post
    While I agree that the hijacking of serious threads is discourteous, one does have to wonder:

    If the owners of this board did not expect a certain amount of thread hijacking, all in the spirit of fun, why, then, did they include a smilie on this forum?

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    and lets not forget that humor is often a great way to say less comfortable things without offending people. Spelling errors in a thread topic are hard to see as a serious thread, but I'd be willing to bet that the thread starter feels differently.

    walk in another mans shoes, I guess

    I think that the harsh threats to end hijacking tend to kill a thread faster than the hijack does, but that is only an opinion

    I also dont think that a few quick traded off topic comments are hijacking, but that is all interpretation

    in the end, the rules are the rules....

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    end me...




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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeremonie View Post
    But frankly if a small group of individuals turns an honest thread with a topic into their private conversation it chills others from posting in it, and it is downright rude.
    I have always felt the same way.

    I often check the “who posted” box to see if an interesting topic has been taken over by several posts from the usual suspects before I even open a thread.

    It must be very disheartening for the original poster.

    It seems odd to me that most of these repeat offenders are the same people that talk about using chat, and instant messaging. Maybe they just stay in the same mode when they come into the forums?

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andreus View Post
    in the end, the rules are the rules....
    I notice that as far as hijacking goes, the rules are pretty relaxed until it starts getting out of hand.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by TaigaStar View Post
    I notice that as far as hijacking goes, the rules are pretty relaxed until it starts getting out of hand.
    I havent noticed that pattern here at JUB actually

    maybe thats why the people posting in this thread, many of whom aren't new to JUB, are a bit confused

    and as I said...

    this is just a tempest in a teapot. the rules are made by the site owners, not the members.

    best to move on and try to make the best of it and find fun with what we are allowed to do. there is plenty of fun to be had within the lines, no matter where they are currently being drawn.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    In this case, the term "hijacking" is a tad overstated no?

    my 2 cents

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    I came here from Usenet which is text-only, and where the threads are organized hierarchically (check out Google Groups if you don't know what I'm talking about).

    The first thing I noticed was that each post takes a lot more space, takes more time to download (I'm on a dialup) and takes more time to scroll through. On a 1- or 2-page thread, it's not such a big deal. But when threads start getting to 3-4 pages or more, it's a real pain trying to leaf through them to find the posts that are relevant to the topic.

    At the same time, I wouldn't like to see the rules too strictly enforced. It can be a lot of fun when people go off on a tangent.

    I guess the main thing is -- is it a fun thread or a serious one? We have both kinds in Hot Topics. If people are just goofing around, that's fine. But if somebody seriously wants some information, I don't think hijacking is appropriate.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    hey lube, i got made a cool kid a week or so ago. seems i overslammed a guy from the north of us and told him to quit slamming the usa. got a pt from the mods and p/m's and comments saying right on. i figure if you don't get an occasional pt you're not contributing enough...oops don't want to hi-jack so

    be advised if your in my thread or bed, feel free to hi-jack or just jack, the comic relief not to mention physical relief is always appreciated. truth is, 1/3 of the reason i read these things is to appreciate the wit sarcasm and causticity of the players.

    oh fudge i'll probably get 2 pts for this and then i'll have 4

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    I was adminished just last week. I do not agree with it at all. The Mods name is removed for protection:

    Originally Posted by ahotjock71
    Hey, when did JUB become so serious that we had to comment ONLY on what was SPECIFICALLY said in the thread?

    My comment was specific to the title of the thread, AND in the general realm of social behaviors discussed WITHIN the thread.


    Originally posted by (Mod)
    Trust me, some other mods are planning on just deleting posts they consider off topic and or issuing warning points.

    The thread was about a specific academic work and your post(s) was well off of that beam.


    Originally Posted by ahotjock71
    What in the world is going on here? Where is all the fun we use to have at JUB?


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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pianist View Post
    I promise I'll never do it again, though I feel a tad squelched.
    Yeah, same here.

    Although, to me, as a reader, the hijacks are often the best bits in a thread; but, as a poster, I'll try to comply with the rules and stick rigidily to the topic at hand in future.

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    rules are made to be broken
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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    I am guilty of hijacking threads on occasion. I've even hijacked my own. What makes me curious, though, is the selective admonishments. I've never been warned about hijacking a thread except one time by the original poster, and the 'hijack' was not even a 'hijack' at all. It was completely on topic.

    I have seen threads being completely taken over by two people and nothing is ever said to them while others stray slightly and get pounced on.

    There doesn't seem to be any consistancy, so it is difficult to know when one is breaking the 'rules'.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    it's incredebly rude towards the thread starter when a group of people jumps in your threads, takes up some personal chit chat, distracts everyone from the topic, ridicules the original poster or similar. a quick way to make someone feel inferior or "not belonging to the crowd".
    of course often a thread takes a different course than expected from the starter, and as long as the reason is the way the conversation went - no problem. but some and often the same people are just posting something totally offtopic in threads that hasn't anything to do with the rest. it might be fun to create distraction, but also think of the other posters. it's just us boys, not "just my little clique and the rest".
    we of course don't want to have every thread totally serious, so there are no strict rules, but when we think that it's over the line we weigh in. it might appear inconsequent but on the one hand we don't always post in the thread, sometimes we simply contact posters directly, or remove posts, sometimes we simply don't see it because the original poster doesn't dare to report it or maybe even doesn't know how to because he is a newbie.
    and their threads are some of those that are hi-jacked by "oldies" most of the time, and i think that's very sad.
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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    I agree with you, Corny, but I have seen threads where a person strays from the topic and gets trounced while others take threads on an entirely different tangent and keep it there, and nothing is said.

    I mean, in one thread I read this morning, a comment was made about 'panties in a wad' and a comment was made on that and the thread was 'hijacked' and warnings made?

    In another recent thread, a single thread was literally commandeered by two people over several pages and nothing was mentioned.

    There is no consistancy.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Hey, Mods,

    I learn best by example. Can someone post a link to two threads, one of which is clearly hijacked, and one of which is "getting there" but not quite hijacked yet?

    That would help me a lot!

    I've been warning-point-free, and as cool as it would make me seem, I'd still like to avoid them if I could.

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    Hijacking threads never really bothered me. I'm always amused and interested to see the direction different topics take.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    I agree with you, Corny, but I have seen threads where a person strays from the topic and gets trounced while others take threads on an entirely different tangent and keep it there, and nothing is said.

    I mean, in one thread I read this morning, a comment was made about 'panties in a wad' and a comment was made on that and the thread was 'hijacked' and warnings made?

    In another recent thread, a single thread was literally commandeered by two people over several pages and nothing was mentioned.

    There is no consistancy.
    exactly

    and I know just how many complaints were made about that one little battle that went on for days, because I posted my disaproval in the thread and got a flood of ME TOO Pms and comments. people obviously had been screaming for days and nothing had been done.

    Mods are human and they individually are more likely to consider a thread serious if they like it, and are less likely to intervene if the offender is a friend. People simply assume the best in regards to their friends and the worst in regards to those they disaprove of.

    I am not criticizing, just stating an obvious human trait. If the diverse group of moderators are on the ball and agree to a certain method of intervention then all would be well, but in reality that just isn't the case. It would seem that few mods even care about hijacks much less want to make a big deal about it. I have noticed that some of them simply delete the offending posts without comment or commotion. Spring will make a comment like " gentlemen, on topic" and leave the thread. Others split a hijack off from a thread making a new one about often silly topics that embarrass the hijackers.

    This whole thing leaves most of us out in the dark and confused due to the lack of consistency.

    We are talking about a complaint thread, for gods sake, not a coming out thread or a serious advice thread, that was hijacked, and it was with three or four posts by three people. hardly a serious thread and hardly a serious hijack. The point was made by the threadstarter and we all see the problem, but honestly, we all know by now that you can't make people spell well. Next to goodbye threads, they are groaners... causing such a ruckus over this seems out of kilter and I simply believe as others do, that something else is going on that we are not privy to, or are trying our best to assume is not true because it hints at darker motives.

    I know that last comment may ruffle some feathers, but its important at this point to just say it and be done with the dancing around the edges.

    the pianist, hoody, lube and I would never hijack a thread where someone was expressing their innermost feelings or seeking advice on a difficult issue.

    I think people know us all well enough to know that.

    we try to alleviate tension with levity. We try to have fun at JUb. That may be something some folks disaprove of, but it sure beats the hell out of yelling back and forth in a thread at each other.

    the point has been made by a few mods on this topic now and I'm sure that behaviors will be changed. I cant help believe though, that the overall enjoyment of the boards will suffer as a result of this little dust up for a few days.

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    Yesterday,my cat threw up all ovr the kitchen

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    My roommates Japanese chin did the same thing, but he ate it afterwards.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    I think to some extent hijacking is just part of the nature of this form of communication. It happens... I've done it... we all have. I certainly don't have any problem with the offhanded remark or short little foray into another topic, in fact, I think they make message boards interesting.

    I think what the Z and the other mods are talking about it a bit different. Its one thing for a hijack to occur naturally, and another when the same folks continue a personal conversation in thread after thread. That can be disruptive and disrespectful to the others who are genuinely interested in the actual topic at hand. This is especialy true in the more serious and topical threads, such as those in the No Flame Zone. Its all about mutual respect among those who post, but we (admins & mods) certainly don't have all of the answers. We make mistakes... and I for one am not afraid to admit them. So perhaps we should discuss exactly what should be acceptable and what shouldn't... after all, its all of you who are most affected.

    Anyway, no one has to worry about points or banning from this type of thing... the goal here is just to keep the conversation moving and give everyone a chance to have their say without having every thread dominated by outside chatter. I don't want to see anyone afraid to post because of this... that's definitely not what we're about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
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    ...but we (admins & mods) certainly don't have all of the answers. We make mistakes...
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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    ......what do you guys mean by 'hijacking'?


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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross_1986 View Post
    ......what do you guys mean by 'hijacking'?

    Hijacking is simply taking a thread topic on another tangent and changing it completely.

    Take this topic, "the sudden big deal of Highjacking threads".

    Bradlee and TheBled stuck in a few 'hijacks' for some good-natured fun, but they ended there. However, the thread would be suitably hijacked if it carried on and became a discussion about cats and Japanese chins throwing up.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    this is going to take some time to think about....

    I want to really consider it from both sides of the fence

    I want my threads protected from shenanigans, but i dont want to ruin the fun

    I may make a more in depth post later, but off the top of my head I would say that first and foremost, the hostile thread hijacks need to be dealt with more swiftly, without a hint of favoritism, and there needs to be leniency allowed for people to have a bit of fun by joking about the topic at hand.

    Also, degrading the perceived hijackers in a public post only stirs up drama. there has to be some sort of dignity that we are given when being publicly dealt with. Its getting old being spoken down to as if we are children. We may act like it at times, but thats no reason to be ugly just because you are a mod and can get away with it.

    I know that Snapcat tried the concept of open thread vs closed thread in CE&P.

    in the title, if you want the thread to be strictly on topic then you add the word - closed if you dont mind levity and distraction the put the word open.

    I think that the better route would be to say that all threads not in a no flame zone are open, within limitations, unless otherwise noted. there has to be a ratio of on and off topic posts to maintain the integrity of the thread. If you dont want your thread to have any cross talk, then note it in the title.

    I dont really consider a topic hijacked until a consecutive run of five posts offtopic drag it in a different direction.

    if the hijack runs over the line then just dump the debris unceremoniously out the window. We will get the point. Its really punishment enough seeing your conversation hit the trashcan without ceremony or fanfare.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Hum....I have seen on a sci fi message board that i am on that people will mark "spoilers" in i think white text color so that to read it a reader would have to highlight the said text. For example, highlight my sentance between the quotation marks: "I think I am the best dancer in all sacramento!" ok maybe thats not a good idea either...

    i would have suggested what snapcat appers to have done in the CD&P forum, but i'm guess that didn't work? thats probably the best solution that i can think of though. just mark a thread in your title as "closed" or "on topic only" or something similar? there has to be a way to allow for spontanious conversation without taking over people's threads or what not.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    God, I hope I'm not one that hijacks threads...that we are talking about.
    Of course elvin! It's always all about you isn't it?












    You know I love you more than my luggage!

    WAIT! Would this be considered a hijacking?
    Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike_n_herrin View Post
    Hum....I have seen on a sci fi message board that i am on that people will mark "spoilers" in i think white text color so that to read it a reader would have to highlight the said text. For example, highlight my sentance between the quotation marks: "I think I am the best dancer in all sacramento!" ok maybe thats not a good idea either...

    i would have suggested what snapcat appers to have done in the CD&P forum, but i'm guess that didn't work? thats probably the best solution that i can think of though. just mark a thread in your title as "closed" or "on topic only" or something similar? there has to be a way to allow for spontanious conversation without taking over people's threads or what not.
    Oh! I think I may need to go to Sacramento to see for myself just how good a dancer you really are! Woo Hoo! Egad! I've hijacked a thread! Dammit! Now I'm getting points for sure.




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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    My name is GL247.

    I used to hijack threads.

    I don't do it as much anymore.




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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    it would seem that few members really care about the issue enough to even post a suggestion for JD

    guess it just doesnt bug as many people as some folks think

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    i can see it being intimidating...i really can. so i think someway to mark a thread if the author doesn't mind it taking an...alternate direction is a decent idea. did it not work in the CE&P forum? then again thats sorta a hot potato forum anyway maybe that's why it might not have worked there...i mean if it didn't.

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike_n_herrin View Post
    i can see it being intimidating...i really can. so i think someway to mark a thread if the author doesn't mind it taking an...alternate direction is a decent idea. did it not work in the CE&P forum? then again thats sorta a hot potato forum anyway maybe that's why it might not have worked there...i mean if it didn't.
    i dont think anyone ever took to it

    I dont think anyone really cared, when it came down to it, one way or the other.

    people are usually good about just reading past what doesn't interest them i guess

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    Re: What's the sudden big deal of Hijacking threads?

    hum...well then maybe the folks who do care would use it and then if hijacking occured in their thread the offender would get a point and/or have it deleted. Actually i think just deleting the hijack would maybe work out also. it would be just as fast (i would think) as having to asign points for it and then PM the person and explain why they got points.

    yes...no....maybe?

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