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    Jimmy Carter's son wins Nevada primary

    This could be interesting. I also wonder if the influx of Californians moving to Nevada will have an effect on the election.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060816/...nevada_primary
    Jimmy Carter's son wins Nevada primary By SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer 22 minutes ago



    Jimmy Carter's son, Jack Carter, won the Democratic nomination Tuesday to face Republican U.S. Sen. John Ensign (news, bio, voting record) in November in Nevada, where voters also were picking candidates in a wide-open and sometimes-zany pair of primaries to replace popular Republican Gov. Kenny Guinn.

    Carter claimed 80 percent of the vote in early returns to defeat political unknown Ruby Jee Tun of Carson City, a middle school science teacher. Ensign won with more than 90 percent of the vote over Ed "Fast Eddie" Hamilton of Las Vegas, a former Chrysler Corp. supervisor.

    Tessa Hafen, former press secretary for Nevada's other senator, Democratic leader Harry Reid, won her party's nomination to face incumbent Republican Rep. Jon Porter (news, bio, voting record) in the 3rd Congressional District.
    Democratic Rep. Shelley Berkley (news, bio, voting record) cruised to victory in the 1st District, where three candidates were vying in the GOP primary.
    Guinn, who is leaving office after eight years because of term limits, did not groom a hand-picked successor, locking candidates from both parties in brutal primary contests that included offbeat personal attacks using sock puppets, "Star Wars" parodies and Internet close-ups of an elephant's behind.

    Five-term Rep. Jim Gibbons was the favorite in the Republican gubernatorial primary, and his wife was among the GOP candidates seeking his congressional seat.

    Gibbons, a former military pilot, gave one of his GOP rivals some ammunition when he told a newspaper that he used his state Assembly office to get rehired by Delta Air Lines. (Gibbons says he misspoke.)

    Las Vegas state Sen. Bob Beers responded with an Internet ad starring a sock puppet in a little suit and tie. "Hi there, I'm Congressman Gibbons," the sock puppet says. "I shook down Delta Air Lines."
    Gibbons was trying to hold off Lt. Gov. Lorraine Hunt and Beers. Long shots in that race include a former porn star, Melody Damayo, who performed under the name Mimi Miyagi.
    On the Democratic ballot, state Senate Minority Leader Dina Titus and Henderson Mayor Jim Gibson waged a bitter battle for the chance to try to succeed Guinn.
    Titus accused Gibson of latent Republicanism and created a Web site that included a close-up of an elephant's behind. Gibson responded by sending out a Web cartoon of his opponent wielding a "Star Wars"-style light saber and succumbing to the pull of the Dark Side.
    In the GOP race for Gibbons' congressional seat, former state Assemblywoman Dawn Gibbons was up against Secretary of State Dean Heller and Assemblywoman Sharron Angle. Jill Derby, an 18-year member of the state Board of Regents, was the lone Democrat seeking Gibbons' seat, which has been represented by the GOP since 1980.

    Election officers posted notices at the polls to make sure voters knew former state Comptroller Kathy Augustine died last month, even though her name remained on the ballot for state treasurer. If she wins the GOP nomination, it would be the first time that a dead person has won a primary for a statewide office in Nevada history.
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    I believe Jimmy Carter was and is a very moral and good man but he really sucked as a president. His "Georgia mafia" was a bunch of naive, idealistic Washington outsiders who did not know how to play the DC game and therefore got nothing done. I sincerely hope son Jack will be better as a Nevada governor than his dad was a president of the USA.

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    He's not running for governor. He's running for the U.S. Senate. He won't win, but he's running anyways.

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    Well good for him. I always have liked Jimmy Carter. I might not have been around when he was President, but I have liked his humanitarianism and all the effort he and Rosalind have done for the poor and underpriviledged.

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    Carter will win the election as Governor of Nevada. I am certain of that. President Carter was one of the most humanitarian and peace keeping presidents which the United Sates ever elected. He was respected globally; and, other presidents have sent him to peace-keeping missions.... He did, afterall, win the Nobel Prize for Peace.

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    Correction: all of his humanitarian accolades came AFTER he lost his re-election bid...he was a disgraceful president.

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    Carter sacrificed his Presidency to get the hostages out of Iran alive. His only option would have been to go to war with Iran. A war would have ensured his reelection, but would have resulted in the hostages being killed. One can disagree with the choice he made, but it's just silly to call him a "disgraceful President".

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    Re: Jimmy Carter's son wins Nevada primary

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Carter sacrificed his Presidency to get the hostages out of Iran alive. His only option would have been to go to war with Iran. A war would have ensured his reelection, but would have resulted in the hostages being killed. One can disagree with the choice he made, but it's just silly to call him a "disgraceful President".
    I agree Iman. In addition, had we followed his call to reduce our dependence on middle east oil, we wouldn't be in the god-awful mess we find ourselves today.

    'Disgraceful President' ......... not hardly!

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    Jack Carter will lose but it will be closer than pundits believe.

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    What qualifications does Jack Carter have besides being Jimmy Carter's son? I saw him interviewed on Hardball with Chris Matthews and he was pitiful. He just offered lame answers to every question, had no charisma, and could not articulate why he wanted to be a United States Senator. In other words, a typical Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TongueTied View Post
    What qualifications does Jack Carter have besides being Jimmy Carter's son?
    Quasi-fame is not a qualification for political office, especially when Jimmy Carter is your father.

    But seriously, Carter left office over 25 years ago...how many voters don;t even remember the Carter administration, much less care that his son is running for office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homoerectus View Post
    I believe Jimmy Carter was and is a very moral and good man but he really sucked as a president. His "Georgia mafia" was a bunch of naive, idealistic Washington outsiders who did not know how to play the DC game and therefore got nothing done. I sincerely hope son Jack will be better as a Nevada governor than his dad was a president of the USA.
    That right? Well, the history books say you're wrong. The Carter admin was radical, radical in view of today's government: Carter put America first. Unlike that freak of nature, Ronnie "Dodged The Great War" Reagan, Carter advanced the interests of working Americans: minimum wage increases, strengthening environmental regulations for clean air and water, advancing the true American dream of liberty and democracy at home and internationally. Carter, of all American presidents, truly represented the greatest aspirations of America at its zenith. These are Carter's legacies, Sir.

    Quote Originally Posted by iman View Post
    Carter sacrificed his Presidency to get the hostages out of Iran alive. His only option would have been to go to war with Iran. A war would have ensured his reelection, but would have resulted in the hostages being killed. One can disagree with the choice he made, but it's just silly to call him a "disgraceful President".
    Well, maybe, but I disagree about so-called "sacrificing" his presidency. Political history books say that Carter played a Rose Garden strategy -- in effect he used the so-called "crisis" for political gain. It didn't work, dontchaknow, and that's how these snake-wrestling Huns managed to crash our little Toga party.







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    Re: Jimmy Carter's son wins Nevada primary

    Quote Originally Posted by TongueTied View Post
    What qualifications does Jack Carter have besides being Jimmy Carter's son? I saw him interviewed on Hardball with Chris Matthews and he was pitiful. He just offered lame answers to every question, had no charisma, and could not articulate why he wanted to be a United States Senator. In other words, a typical Democrat.
    Perhaps one could ask the same question of the current president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramindra View Post
    Perhaps one could ask the same question of the current president.
    I agree 100%. I'm not defending Republican politicians here. I am saying there are few politicians of either party that can put a sentence together and actually say something.

    Have you ever seen question time from the British House of Commons on C-Span? I am amazed that so many British politicians are so articulate and can think on their feet. They actually express views. I'm sure some of the British posters on this site have plenty of complaints about their politicians, but they should see how virtually all American politicians are pre-packaged, manufactured, automatons. Just wind them up, and they spew a set of poll-tested, regurgitated meaningless slogans. Comes in two shiny plastic versions- Democrat and Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TongueTied View Post
    What qualifications does Jack Carter have besides being Jimmy Carter's son? I saw him interviewed on Hardball with Chris Matthews and he was pitiful. He just offered lame answers to every question, had no charisma, and could not articulate why he wanted to be a United States Senator. In other words, a typical Democrat.
    Huh. And now you say:

    Quote Originally Posted by TongueTied View Post
    I agree 100%. I'm not defending Republican politicians here. I am saying there are few politicians of either party that can put a sentence together and actually say something.
    Well, which is it, young man, which is it?

    Seems to me there are many erudite Democrats and even a few housebroken Pugs, too, though the Republicans have a penchant for talking a bunch of shit and they tilt towards lying like rugs. Some of America's greatest orators were or are Democrats (President Franklin Roosevelt, the late Senator John Pastore of RI, Senator Ted Kennedy of Mass and Robert Byrd among them). And while Jack Carter may not be Shakesperian (though I hear his wife, interestingly, is a pro-gay marriage thespian) in his delivery, he's articulate, bright and of good moral quality. Not everyone can speak with a roar, not every public office-seeker has the pitch and timbre of, say, a Trent Loot ("Massa-TOO-sits," as he calls the Bay State), and not everyone's words leads to jail time, unlike Republican Duke Cunningham.


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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Huh. And now you say:



    Well, which is it, young man, which is it?

    Seems to me there are many erudite Democrats and even a few housebroken Pugs, too, though the Republicans have a penchant for talking a bunch of shit and they tilt towards lying like rugs. Some of America's greatest orators were or are Democrats (President Franklin Roosevelt, the late Senator John Pastore of RI, Senator Ted Kennedy of Mass and Robert Byrd among them). And while Jack Carter may not be Shakesperian (though I hear his wife, interestingly, is a pro-gay marriage thespian) in his delivery, he's articulate, bright and of good moral quality. Not everyone can speak with a roar, not every public office-seeker has the pitch and timbre of, say, a Trent Loot ("Massa-TOO-sits," as he calls the Bay State), and not everyone's words leads to jail time, unlike Republican Duke Cunningham.
    My point is that BOTH parties stink. Maybe Jack Carter is articulate, but he sure wasn't on the interview I saw. He had no answers for the questions, just some trite sounding slogans. My main problem with the Democratic Party is they have no ideas. What do they stand for? You can't just be against everything Bush does. You have to offer an alternative, but they don't. Look at Kerry, he made the pitch that Bush was a disaster, but he couldn't close the sale. What is the Democratic plan for reforming the tax code? Economic growth? improving public schools? energy? confronting radical Islam? Sorry, but they don't have the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TongueTied View Post
    My main problem with the Democratic Party is they have no ideas. What do they stand for? You can't just be against everything Bush does. You have to offer an alternative, but they don't.
    Really? "No ideas," huh? I guess that depends on where you look for answers and on what questions you ask. Seems to me that the Democrats ushered in the longest period of economic expansion in the history of our country (1993-2000), brought discipline to the federal budget by running surpluses for the last three years of the Clinton admin, fought to save Social Security, built the world's best military, wisely used the tax code to promote middle class growth and prosperity, and kept the nation out of war. Compare that to the Republicans -- let me know what you think.

    Look at Kerry, he made the pitch that Bush was a disaster, but he couldn't close the sale. What is the Democratic plan for reforming the tax code? Economic growth? improving public schools? energy? confronting radical Islam? Sorry, but they don't have the answers.
    Kerry is not the Democratic party -- he was the standard bearer. Second, Kerry very nearly defeated an incumbent president in time of war, an almost impossible task. Indeed, rather than dissing Kerry, one should recall that Bush had the LOWEST margin of victory of ANY US PRESIDENT since 1918.

    I ask you: What is the republican plan for reducing the federal debt, a debt they DOUBLED in five years? What is the Republican plan for combatting wage stagnation? What is the Republican plan for increasing employment in the US -- after all, Bush was the first president since Hoover to have NEGATIVE employment growth during their first term? What is the Republican plan for health care -- 44 million Americans are without ANY health insurance. What is the Republican plan for reducing global warming? How are the Republicans going to undo what they have done in Iraq? What are they doing to increase domestic security?

    The facts are clear: the Democrats have a history of SOLVING problems, the Republicans have a history of CREATING them.

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    44 million Americans are without ANY health insurance.
    According to a new report (released this week) by the U.S. Census Bureau, the number of uninsured Americans is now 46.6 million.

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    According to a new report (released this week) by the U.S. Census Bureau, the number of uninsured Americans is now 46.6 million.
    That must make the GOP very happy -- their War on America is working.

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    [QUOTE=General_Alfie;1722342]Really? "No ideas," huh? I guess that depends on where you look for answers and on what questions you ask. Seems to me that the Democrats ushered in the longest period of economic expansion in the history of our country (1993-2000), brought discipline to the federal budget by running surpluses for the last three years of the Clinton admin, fought to save Social Security, built the world's best military, wisely used the tax code to promote middle class growth and prosperity, and kept the nation out of war. Compare that to the Republicans -- let me know what you think.



    Kerry is not the Democratic party -- he was the standard bearer. Second, Kerry very nearly defeated an incumbent president in time of war, an almost impossible task. Indeed, rather than dissing Kerry, one should recall that Bush had the LOWEST margin of victory of ANY US PRESIDENT since 1918.

    I ask you: What is the republican plan for reducing the federal debt, a debt they DOUBLED in five years? What is the Republican plan for combatting wage stagnation? What is the Republican plan for increasing employment in the US -- after all, Bush was the first president since Hoover to have NEGATIVE employment growth during their first term? What is the Republican plan for health care -- 44 million Americans are without ANY health insurance. What is the Republican plan for reducing global warming? How are the Republicans going to undo what they have done in Iraq? What are they doing to increase domestic security?

    The facts are clear: the Democrats have a history of SOLVING problems, the Republicans have a history of CREATING them.[/QUOTE

    The Democrats can't claim all the credit for the budget surplus for the years 1993-2000. You conveniently left out the fact that Republicans controlled Congress (and spending) for 6 of those 7 years. But now that the Republicans control everything, they have spent faster than any Democrat. They have lost any credibility as the party of fiscal conservatism. But can you honestly say the Democrats would do any better? They criticize Bush (rightly) for not submitting a balanced budget but then cry over every program he proposes to cut. And by the way, most of those "cuts" are just decreases in RATE of growth in spending, not actual cuts. You mention wage stagnation. If you want to give those on the lowest end of the wage scale a raise, in addition to raising the minimum wage you need to close down the border and put an end to illegal immigration. With an endless supply of cheap labor pouring over the border every year, wages at the bottom level will NEVER increase. What is the Democratic plan for that? The last time I checked out the offficial Democratic Party web site ( a couple of weeks ago) , there was nothing on there about illegal immigration. The middle class in this country is getting screwed big time. Social security is going broke ( the Democratic plan? ), traditional pensions are all but dead, health care is at the mercy of your employer, federal, state, and local taxes take up a huge part of everyones paycheck, and jobs are being outsourced right and left. The Republicans aren't going to solve these problems, but neither are the Democrats. Hence my point- both parties stink.

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    The Democrats can't claim all the credit for the budget surplus for the years 1993-2000. You conveniently left out the fact that Republicans controlled Congress (and spending) for 6 of those 7 years.
    Oh yes the Dems can take credit -- all of the credit.

    First, it is the president who crafts and submits a budget to Congress, not the reverse. Two, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 raised taxes on the top 2% of income earners and it passed in both the House and the Senate without a single Republican vote -- not one. The only thing the GOP wanted was (Surprise, Surprise!) to cut taxes for the hyper-wealthy and cut benefits for the poor. You see, Sir, some things just never change. Indeed it was the restoration of sound federal budgeting that fueled the economic recovery after twelve long, irresponsible years of reckless Republican spending.

    Of course, the Republicans, always Henny Pennys when it comes to doing the right thing, cried that many of the bills provisions would result in economic catastrophe and that deficit would actually increase. They were, of course, outmatched and proved entirely wrong.

    The underpinning of the economic recovery, led by Clinton and the Democrats, But now that the Republicans control everything, they have spent faster than any Democrat. They have lost any credibility as the party of fiscal conservatism. But can you honestly say the Democrats would do any better? They criticize Bush (rightly) for not submitting a balanced budget but then cry over every program he proposes to cut. And by the way, most of those "cuts" are just decreases in RATE of growth in spending, not actual cuts.
    The GOP has somehow conned voters that they are fiscally smart, but the record betrays them -- they only like cutting taxes. Dems tend to not want to take food out of people's mouths whereas the little flaccid cocks of the GOP get their panties all moist just thinking about it.

    Further, there are two components of a budget: revenue and spending. Bush burned the candle at both ends: he and his reckless pals in the House slashed revenue by providing welfare-for-the-wealthy, vis a vis tax cuts to the top 1% of Americans; concomitently, they massively hiked spending without corresponding tax increases.

    You ask if the Dems would do better, my reply is: they have a track record of doing just that, the GOP does not. In fact, can you tell me the last Republican president to finish a fiscal year with a budget surplus? I believe it was Hoover -- a long time ago.

    You mention wage stagnation. If you want to give those on the lowest end of the wage scale a raise, in addition to raising the minimum wage you need to close down the border and put an end to illegal immigration. With an endless supply of cheap labor pouring over the border every year, wages at the bottom level will NEVER increase.
    Really? These are two separate and distinct issues. Not that I'm against controlling the flow of people, but there's no correlation between the two. Your thinking is rather confused, I'd say.

    What is the Democratic plan for that? The last time I checked out the offficial Democratic Party web site ( a couple of weeks ago) , there was nothing on there about illegal immigration. The middle class in this country is getting screwed big time.

    What's the GOP's plan, huh, huh?
    They're in power and have been for years . What are they doing about it? Seems Bush has flip flopped on immigration several times, which is typical.

    Social security is going broke ( the Democratic plan? ), traditional pensions are all but dead, health care is at the mercy of your employer, federal, state, and local taxes take up a huge part of everyones paycheck, and jobs are being outsourced right and left. The Republicans aren't going to solve these problems, but neither are the Democrats. Hence my point- both parties stink.
    I agree -- the Pugs won't solve anything, they're too biddy stealing taxpayer dollars, too biddy breaking things, too biddy starting (but not fighting, of course) their neocon wars, giving tax welfare for the hyper-wealthy, undermining our freedoms, breaking laws, and spending $120 billion per year on a lost war. As to Social Security, the trust fund is solid for 75 years. Yes, it can be pumped up a bit, not a big deal, but the Pug's plan to give yet ANOTHER gift to their backers on Wall Street died last year.

    You may have no faith in our political system -- that's your choice, but I do not concur. The Dems have bailed America out before, we'll do it again -- something the GOP has never, ever done.




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    Are there any polls on who is favored to win the election?
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    Are there any polls on who is favored to win the election?
    It isn't Jack Carter. There was this very recent Zogby so-called "interactive dontchaknow" poll by Zogby -- I personally don't have a lot of faith in that sort of e-mail based polling. Here's AP's take from earlier this week:

    August 29, 2006
    Poll shows tight races for U.S. Senate, governor in Nevada


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    LAS VEGAS (AP) - The first independent poll released since Nevada's Aug. 15 primary election found dead heats in both the U.S. Senate and governor's races.

    The poll, commissioned by The Wall Street Journal and conducted by Zogby Interactive, found Democratic state Sen. Dina Titus ahead of Republican U.S. Jim Gibbons, 47 percent to 44 percent, in their race for governor. Democratic Senate candidate Jack Carter was trailing incumbent Republican Sen. John Ensign by 3 percentage points, 48 percent to 45 percent. Both results were within the poll's 4.3 percentage point margin of error.
    Another hurdle for Jack Carter is money. The GOP candidate has something like $3 million cash-on-hand and Carter has about one tenth that amount. If the race tightens or if the Dems have extra cash, that could change.

    This is a fascinating state, if not a thrilling race, because sooner rather than later, Nevada is going to flip to Blue and not look back: in 2004, Kerry lost to Coward Bush by only 21,000 votes (50.7% to Kerry's 48.1%). Nevada went for Clinton in both elections, too. The influx of people from all over America has diluted the native inclination to vote Pug and pro-Dem Unions are very, very strong in the gambling and hotel industries, too. Whether Carter, who is seen even in Nevada as something of a carpet muncher carpet-bagger (he moved there four years ago) can crack that is something to be seen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by General_Alfie View Post
    Another hurdle for Jack Carter is money. The GOP candidate has something like $3 million cash-on-hand and Carter has about one tenth that amount …
    The prospect that whichever candidate can afford to purchase the most redundant series of media-based advertisements (e.g. “cash-on-hand”) intrinsically translates to a “winning proposition” is certainly a testament to the sad state of our electoral process in the United States.

    Yeah, okay~ let’s not overlook the fact that money can also buy telephone harassment, charismatic minivans to transport folks to the polling station, and a variety of other machinations to influence the outcome. (Yada, yada)


    Is the candidate who demonstrates a capacity to garner and exploit the greatest sum of money necessarily the most qualified to represent the important/essential contexts of our societal objectives?


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    The Dems have bailed America out before, we'll do it again
    Consider this analysis from The Social Security Network, featuring research conducted by The Century Foundation, a nonprofit and “nonpartisan ‘think tank’ committed to offering reason and facts in the pursuit of national progress” …



    The surprising message of [National Debt as a Percentage of GDP (Figure 2, <above>)] is that every Democratic president [in the past half-century] (Kennedy-Johnson, Carter, and Clinton) left office with the ratio of national debt to income below where it was at the beginning of his administration, while the last three Republican administrations (Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush) have presided over explosive growth of the national debt relative to national income. Since 1960, Republican administrations have added 38 percentage points to the national debt/GDP ratio, while Democratic administrations have subtracted 23 percentage points from that ratio. This record stands on its head all the clich&#233;s about who is fiscally responsible.


    I wonder .. Do the Republicans truly promote economic freedom, or do they engage in some sort of routine exploitation of monetary policy in order to ensure that their political counterparts must suffer the somewhat unpopular [corrective] role of a “cyclical maid-service” to clean up the mess of their ongoing agenda?

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    From Desert-Beacon, a NV blog ...

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    Carter - Ensign Statistical Dead Heat



    Think the last poll was a fluke? Try the Wall Street Journal/Zogby poll that has Jack Carter's campaign in a statistical dead heat with incumbent Republican John Ensign in the Nevada Senate race.
    Ensign 48%
    Carter 45%
    Ensign's lead is listed as 3.4% and noted as within the margin of error +/- 4.3%.

    Democratic Party candidates are shown leading in Washington, New Mexico, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Virginia, and Florida.
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