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    Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Why does Fox News publish scare stories like this?

    Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207597,00.html

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    I don't think it a scare story after 9/11 it is pretty much a fact that it could happen at anytime. Wake up and be afraid..Be very Afraid!!

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    Take that link:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207597,00.html



    Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?
    Wednesday, August 09, 2006


    ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Should the United States and Israel be on high alert? Two weeks from today, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has implied that he will give his final answer to the U.S. about his country's nuclear program by August 22nd.

    Now, August 22nd also has great significance on the Islamic calendar. It's a day when Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad road a winged horse, first to Jerusalem and then to Heaven and back.

    So is it possible that Iran will flex its nuclear muscles on that date? Joining us now is FOX News military analyst Colonel David Hunt.

    And, Colonel Hunt, do you place any significance on that date? Do we believe that Iran will take action based on the date, August 22nd?

    COL. DAVID HUNT, FOX NEWS MILITARY ANALYST: I think Iran, Alan, has taken action for years. They've taken it with Hezbollah against Israel, they've taken it against us everyday. They've killed Americans in Iraq. So, yes, I take everything that wing nut says very seriously, whether it's the 22nd — but we've been at this World War III for a long, long time. It's time that the rest of us woke up. So high alert, I'm afraid, is going to be here for a while, and this war we're in with terrorists, like the nation — like Iran, is here to stay.

    COLMES: I keep hearing this inflamed rhetoric, like World War III. When you say that, it implies as though the United States somehow has to be involved in a ground or air war when you say World War III. Are you suggesting that the United States is just weeks or months away from being a participant in a world war?

    HUNT: I think we have been. I'm not talking about attacking all the nations of the world, Al. I am saying this: The War on Terror is a world war. It involves nations all other the world, like Syria, and Iran. It involves the Russian mafia, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah. It's a different type of war. It doesn't mean we have to invade all these countries. We've got a lot more killing of bad guys to do and a lot more recognition of what this about, holy war, in countries sponsoring terrorism.

    SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Hey, Colonel, welcome back to the program. It's amazing to me how many people don't understand the nature of Islamic fascism and how widespread this movement is and how they want to destroy Israel, Europe and the United States.

    The Iranians we now discovered today — from the capture of one of the people responsible for the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers, Iranian trained — we now know Iran is supplying the weaponry to Hezbollah. So this really — they're using Hezbollah as a proxy for them to wage their own war, isn't that true?

    HUNT: Yes, and they're also running Hamas. They're the ones — there's $100 million a year going into Hezbollah out of Iran. Iran, as we know, are killing American soldiers in Iraq, and they're controlling a militia. They're controlling Muqtada al-Sadr there. So they have very bad guys, and they're doing it by proxy. You're right, Hezbollah is just one of their main armies, and they're well trained and well financed.

    HANNITY: How naive is this notion — The New York Times editorial today — that the idea that we can talk to Syria, talk to these terrorist regimes. Can you talk to Ahmadinejad? Can you talk to an Assad? Can you talk to Usama bin Laden? Can you get anywhere? Is that an...

    HUNT: I think we can talk to them when we line them up and kill them. The only reason to talk to some of these guys is to just do that. However, we're not going to wipe out, as we talked offline, the entire country, but we have to directly talk to these guys to find out what they want. If they're not going to cooperate, yes, they have to go.

    HANNITY: Regime change.

    HUNT: Absolutely, 100 percent.

    HANNITY: All right, thanks. Good to see you, Colonel.

    COLMES: All right, Colonel, we thank you very much, Colonel.

    I call it medial preparation of war.



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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    I call it lunatics looking for an angle for a story. Whenever Sean Hannity plugs an idea, I know immediately to be skeptical.

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    I saw the same story last night on MSNBC.

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by lickya42000 View Post
    I saw the same story last night on MSNBC.

    That's because with their poor ratings and budget cuts, they can't come up with their own stories. Just goes to show how desperate MSNBC is that they actually listen to Sean Hannity's shrill comments.

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    All of this is a side-bar to an opinion piece written by Bernard Lewis, Ph.D. in the Wall Street Journal: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768

    Dr. Lewis is a Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, and is thought of as a reasoned man who garners a lot of respect.

    This is an interesting read. It does make me nervous.

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    it is for ratings and fox news is really the rnc network

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    I feel sorry for Americans. They have crap news programs.


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    I think the right-wing media is getting it's "news" from the xtian fundamnetalists. Aug 22 is the Rapture, the world is ending OMG!!!!*snicker*

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Bah....From the mouth of a Colonel?!

    When a 5-Star General starts saying the shit's about the hit the fan....Then I'll start listening.

    I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently...

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    wtf are you talking about...

    wtf can iran do

    its the American govt that has enough nuclear bombs to explode the world 4 times over.. its the American govt that has a history of using WMD..

    Israel has fuckin nuclear weapon. and Iran can't have the technology..

    Iran deserves to be a modern, advanced, prosperous nation. the West is just full of a bunch of bullies who are out there for their own interests.. OIL

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    sultan, you know all this...from your perch in...Georgia?
    Hockey First!

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Fine with me I have a dental appointment that day--hmmmmmmmmmm wonder if I should I cancel might be a buzy day............




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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Didn't Fox have some story about Saddam Hussein's WMD's ending up in the hands of Hezbollah?

    BTW, has anyone checked put Sean Hannity's dating site Hannidates?

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by xxxsultanxxxx View Post
    wtf are you talking about...

    wtf can iran do

    its the American govt that has enough nuclear bombs to explode the world 4 times over.. its the American govt that has a history of using WMD..

    Israel has fuckin nuclear weapon. and Iran can't have the technology..

    Iran deserves to be a modern, advanced, prosperous nation. the West is just full of a bunch of bullies who are out there for their own interests.. OIL
    Iran supports terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.
    Iran has supplied these groups with weapons supplied to them by Russia and China.
    Iran has gone on record that Israel should be wiped off the map.
    Iran denies the existance of the Holocaust and believes all Jews should be obliterated.
    Iran wants to impose sharia on the world as it has on its own population.
    Iran would most likely give a nuclear weapon to those fun guys, Al Qaida, to help obliterate a US city.

    Israel has never threatened to obliterate its enemies or neighbors.
    Israel has never used WMD's.
    Israel retains nukes as a deterrent, keeping Syria and Iran in check.

    When Iran decides to act like a responsible country and stop supporting world terrorism, then they will be admitted into the circle of modern, advanced and prosperous nations.

    Perhaps you could elaborate as to why you believe Iran deserves to be considered a modern country? Do you know how they treat their people (gay men are publicly hanged for gay acts)?

    Yes, the US could probably obliterate the world 4 times over. However instead of dropping nukes on Iraq when we chose to go to war, we put boots on the ground. Our nuclear force serves as a deterrent - not an offensive weapon (at least to date).

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    As a deterent....Not an offensive weapon???

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the USA is the only nation who HAS USED nukes against another nation during a time of war.


    The entire argument is kinda moot when you look at the history of the world....

    I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently...

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    There are more than a few who are spooked by the Iranian brand of islam and as the above link says Iran may be crazy enough to follow through on their end of world crap but I am not in that group.

    They talk a lot of trash which might make you think they are crazy but you look at what they actually do and they don't seem crazy at all.

    We may not like their political goals but that does not make them crazy.

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    Fox is like CNN...One more reason to watch CBC or BBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirk3000 View Post
    Iran supports terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.
    Iran has supplied these groups with weapons supplied to them by Russia and China.
    Iran has gone on record that Israel should be wiped off the map.
    Iran denies the existance of the Holocaust and believes all Jews should be obliterated.
    Iran wants to impose sharia on the world as it has on its own population.
    Iran would most likely give a nuclear weapon to those fun guys, Al Qaida, to help obliterate a US city.

    Israel has never threatened to obliterate its enemies or neighbors.
    Israel has never used WMD's.
    Israel retains nukes as a deterrent, keeping Syria and Iran in check.

    When Iran decides to act like a responsible country and stop supporting world terrorism, then they will be admitted into the circle of modern, advanced and prosperous nations.

    Perhaps you could elaborate as to why you believe Iran deserves to be considered a modern country? Do you know how they treat their people (gay men are publicly hanged for gay acts)?

    Yes, the US could probably obliterate the world 4 times over. However instead of dropping nukes on Iraq when we chose to go to war, we put boots on the ground. Our nuclear force serves as a deterrent - not an offensive weapon (at least to date).
    That's the main thing that I fear about radical Islam possibly creeping in and taking over countries. I know they would try to kill me or at the very least I would have to go back into the closet and keep a big secret again, and I don't ever want to do that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reaper View Post
    As a deterent....Not an offensive weapon???

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the USA is the only nation who HAS USED nukes against another nation during a time of war.


    The entire argument is kinda moot when you look at the history of the world....
    And how long ago was that?

    We haven't used one since then.

    This is going to sound crazy, I know, but why don't we use them against Iran? It would destroy the most troublesome country in the world almost instantly, and scare the shit out of the rest of the world. It seems like right now, no one really fears the United States anymore, and so they start doing all kinds of shit to us. Most of the world seems to already hate us anyways, so why not give them something to fear as well?

    Think of how much that would change the perception of the United States in the world. From that of a mealymouthed pushover who bends over backwards to try to keep from offending anyone to a badass country that finally stands up and roars "Enough is enough! We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore!"

    What do you think would happen?

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    ^^ What I think would happen is that having upped the price of security to having nuclear weapons of your own many more countires would seek to get them and the more that have them the more likely it will be that they will be used. (unless you plan on bombing everybody)

    Such thinking as you have displayed makes me worry less about the future of my country and more about the future of my species.

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    ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Should the United States and Israel be on high alert? Two weeks from today, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has implied that he will give his final answer to the U.S. about his country's nuclear program by August 22nd.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207597,00.html

    be afraid ,be very afarid

    the summer of fear

    stupid neocons hate our freedoms is what we should be afraid of -people like alberto gonzales who let in mexicans and despise our american culture

    bush /neocons have destroyed the usa- thats terrorism!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reaper View Post
    Bah....From the mouth of a Colonel?!

    When a 5-Star General starts saying the shit's about the hit the fan....Then I'll start listening.
    Generals aren't allowed to say things like that; once you're a general, you're a political animal, and have to play the game. Colonels can still tell the truth.

    And when a general wants some truth to get out, he calls a colonel to do it for him -- just like Bush decides who he needs when he wants something leaked.

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by xxxsultanxxxx View Post
    wtf are you talking about...

    wtf can iran do

    its the American govt that has enough nuclear bombs to explode the world 4 times over.. its the American govt that has a history of using WMD..

    Israel has fuckin nuclear weapon. and Iran can't have the technology..

    Iran deserves to be a modern, advanced, prosperous nation. the West is just full of a bunch of bullies who are out there for their own interests.. OIL
    The leaders in Iran donb't want Iran to be a "modern, advanced, propserous nation", they want it to be the dominant force in the Arab world, to unite all Muslims into one vast nation or alliance, and to not only annihilate Israel but to eliminate Jews and their friends from the face of the earth -- this is declared policy.

    Being "out for thewir own interests" is a definition of being human and alive. If you drive a car, use electricity, make use of plastic bags, live in a house or other building... you are part of the thirst for oil. So should you maybe say, "We in the west are just bullies who are out for our own interests"?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Does anyone recall a certain civil war in Spain, which was really a proxy war by others testing their military toys and tactics, in preparation for the real thing?

    Iran is playing the same game: test your toys via the terrorist groups, letting them soften up the foe, letting them take the brunt of the foe's defense, until you're ready. It's called keeping your enemy off-balance, for one thing, and depriving him of the initiative, for another.

    Of course the U.S. doesn't dare use nukes on Iran, unless they use WMDs first -- but we could build a system recommended back in the 60s, called THOR. It would be cheap, and incredibly effective, able to pick military targets to eliminate without significant collateral damage at all. Since we don't want to conquet them (okay, most of us don't!), THOR would be very effective against Iran.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    theyre talking about this now on radio show www.coasttocoastam.com

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Oh oh, I just realised...TODAY IS AUGUST 22!

    A Russian plane crashed today with a loss of 170 lives....

    And Terrell Owens is not getting along with Bill Parcels...

    And the Red Sox were humiliated by the Yankees...

    Yup, sounds like the end of the world as we know it.

    Excuse me, I need to bend over and kiss my ass goodbye.

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    Well??????

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    I'll dedicate a separate post about it... but I'm not sure that we are in danger as they say... e.g. about 9/11 there are a LOT of questions still unanswered... I will talk about it, stay tuned!

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    I hope the hell not because today Is my BIRTHDAY!!!!

    That would be a shitty gift....world destruction......will it be gift wrapped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadin32 View Post
    I hope the hell not because today Is my BIRTHDAY!!!!

    That would be a shitty gift....world destruction......will it be gift wrapped?
    Maybe lots of BIG candles? Well 6 hours and 40 minutes to go til KA BOOM!

    PS HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Well - it's Aug 23rd here already - and I'm still around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadin32 View Post
    I hope the hell not because today Is my BIRTHDAY!!!!

    That would be a shitty gift....world destruction......will it be gift wrapped?

    happy birthday

    ithink the rumor was started by some site jihadwatch

    just ridculous nonesense

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    Its August 23rd here now, so no. Altough, to be safe, we ought to wait a few days for the international date line to catch up, and the Julian calender to catch up. Suspect Fundamental Islamics might also work to a different calender too: they probably dont like a dating system based on the birth of the man who founded Christianity.....

    btw - this is the 3rd or 4th 'world will end on XXX date' scare I personally have lived through.....

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    I'm very ashamed of our U.S. Government; had they not attempted to use the Israel/Hezbollah conflict as a proxy war with Iran (which backfired terribly, putting us even in a worse diplomatic position in the Arab world than prior to the conflict), and instead, insisted on a cease fire from the very beginning (as the UN security council had demanded), Iran and Hezbollah would not be as popular and "loved" by fellow Muslims as they are now. Just one more unbelieveably short-sighted and tragic decision from the Bush administration. How many more must we endure before Rumsfeld and Rice are fired, and Bush is impeached?

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by TriBi View Post
    Well - it's Aug 23rd here already - and I'm still around...
    imagine that

    someone overexagerating the intentions of a mideast nation

    boy was I suprised

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    OMG the sky is falling! Everyone but us is crazy and evil! Why why why?!! Oh the humanity?!

    Last year it was "American Hiroshima"...on Aug 6th Osama was going to nuke 10 american cities with the nukes he has hidden here.

    Turns out the whole UK airline plot was pretty much crap...some of them didn't even have passports, and it turns out it takes hour and a chemistry set to assemble liquid bombs on an airplane...even if they weren't wanna-be boobs, they couldn't have "caused mass murder on an unimaginable scale" even if they wanted to.

    BE AFRAID PEOPLE! Remember, if you're not cowering in fear, you're not watching enough cable news.

    What a load of crap. How much longer do we have to put up with these shenannigans?

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    My favorite part was how he was supposed to be ready to nuke Jerusalem...the 3rd holiest city in all of Islam. The people that come up with this crap don't even think it through. Fucker don't even have nukes, and he's going to drop one on the al aqsa mosque...rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigg gggggghhhhhhhhhht.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttplug123 View Post
    Btw - this is the 3rd or 4th 'world will end on XXX date' scare I personally have lived through.....
    You're young...it's like 20 for me. I've seen 'em where people get crazy and sell all their poroperty and stuff. Love it. People will still be doing it nnn years from now, and in nnnnn when the _________ destroys the Earth, no one will even see it coming.

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    I realized I did not fully elucidate my feelings on this issue, which can be summed up thus:

    Be afraid, and obey.

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    August 22 has come and gone

    What's the next date for Apocalypse Now?

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    While it's great-if true-the sophistication of the plot wasn't great,the plot wasn't made up of thin air-the Pakistanis were as involved with this as anyone else.We don't know what would have occured,but the intent was serious,and God forbid it happened and all hell would break loose over inaction by the U.S. and U.K.Bush is a fuck up,guaranteed-whatever the merits of the Iraq War,seem to be rapidly evaporating,guaranteed-but the War on terror will continue Democrat or Republican in the White House.Theories and insinuations like this ,that everything is a blind power grab,just get my goat.
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    And no serious official ever said that Iraq would do anything on that date,just wild conspiracy and internet rumors dealing with supposed Shiite Messianic visions regarding that date.As long as the religious right is ruling Iran,the entire region is going to remain a powder keg waiting to be lit-God forbid the Chinese,Russians and others stand in the way of the world telling Iran in no uncertain terms "This far,and no farther!"
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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

    Hey, it could be a real plot to blow up parliment using 10 day old potatoes, but that doesn't mean it would be anything worth worrying about. If these morons thought they were going to bring down a plane using liquid explosives, the jokes on them. If you think they're going to blow up a plane using liquid explosives, you're giving in to madness.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08...t_terror_labs/

    We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane.

    Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts." But what do these experts know about chemistry? Less than they know about lobbying for Homeland Security pork, which is what most of them do for a living. But they've seen the same movies that you and I have seen, and so the myth of binary liquid explosives dies hard.

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    Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together.
    First, you've got to get adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide. This is hard to come by, so a large quantity of the three per cent solution sold in pharmacies might have to be concentrated by boiling off the water. Only this is risky, and can lead to mission failure by means of burning down your makeshift lab before a single infidel has been harmed.

    But let's assume that you can obtain it in the required concentration, or cook it from a dilute solution without ruining your operation. Fine. The remaining ingredients, acetone and sulfuric acid, are far easier to obtain, and we can assume that you've got them on hand.

    Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It's all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don't forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked "perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You're going to need them.

    It's best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.

    Easy does it
    Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you'll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you'll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.
    After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven't overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you'll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.

    The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit "mass murder on an unimaginable scale," as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it's true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it's unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that's about all you're likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.
    So the fabled binary liquid explosive - that is, the sudden mixing of hydrogen peroxide and acetone with sulfuric acid to create a plane-killing explosion, is out of the question. Meanwhile, making TATP ahead of time carries a risk that the mission will fail due to premature detonation, although it is the only plausible approach.
    Certainly, if we can imagine a group of jihadists smuggling the necessary chemicals and equipment on board, and cooking up TATP in the lavatory, then we've passed from the realm of action blockbusters to that of situation comedy.
    It should be small comfort that the security establishments of the UK and the USA - and the "terrorism experts" who inform them and wheedle billions of dollars out of them for bomb puffers and face recognition gizmos and remote gait analyzers and similar hi-tech phrenology gear - have bought the Hollywood binary liquid explosive myth, and have even acted upon it.
    We've given extraordinary credit to a collection of jihadist wannabes with an exceptionally poor grasp of the mechanics of attacking a plane, whose only hope of success would have been a pure accident. They would have had to succeed in spite of their own ignorance and incompetence, and in spite of being under police surveillance for a year.
    It goes on like that, but basically, you get the idea...add to that a lack of plane tickets or passports, and what you have is like the miami plot...a press opportunity. Presented right when the administration needed it most...remember to be afraid! Lebanon! Hizbollah! Iraq! Explosives! Planes! Al Quaida! Iran!

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    Re: Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran?

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    This is going to sound crazy, I know, but why don't we use them against Iran? It would destroy the most troublesome country in the world almost instantly, and scare the shit out of the rest of the world
    If we do, we'd better be collectively ready for the catastrophic fallout (and I don't mean radioactive substances) from our actions. It would be the best recruiting tool for any group of people in the history of the world. The entire Middle East (and perhaps Venezuela, etc.) would refuse to sell oil to us. I can imagine huge swaths of the world immediately breakng diplomatic relations with the U.S., perhaps China nationalizing everything that we've built over there, etc. If the U.S. nuked Iran, I do NOT believe the U.S. would continue to survive for long, as much of the world would seek to put us through the shredder.

    Often many forget to mention that Iran is working with a lot of stuff derived from what WE gave to the Shah's regime. Many of the world's worst despots (and, yes, that included Saddam) would have been weaklings except for our help, aid and transactions. Every so often a story comes out about Saudi Arabia being the most effective financial engine behind terrorism, but the story quickly sinks without a trace - I think we're at least three or four months overdue for it to come up again.

    Furthermore even those idiots in Washington know that we couldn't nuke everybody who wasn't "with" us - then the fallout (in this case meaning radioactive substances) would be catastrophic indeed.
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