I agree that when in an inappropriate manor it is wrong. But if a father takes his son to the gym or local YMCA to swim and they both change in the locker room next to each other, or use a communal shower naked next to each other is not a problem.
I agree that when in an inappropriate manor it is wrong. But if a father takes his son to the gym or local YMCA to swim and they both change in the locker room next to each other, or use a communal shower naked next to each other is not a problem.
Yea, I got over it at 12 when we started showering in school. The maturity of the boys in class ran the gamut from no pube pre-pubescent like me to full bushes and chest hair on the guys that had been held back a couple times.
But I wasn't surprised at anything because I had seen my dad nude on occasion and knew what a man looked like.
I agree that dad should create a home where everyone is comfortable with nudity. If the kids see their parents being comfortable with the appearance of their bodies, they probably won't be as freaked out about others seeing their bodies. However, I also agree that the nudity should never occur in a sexually provocative manner.
Nobody pleases a man like another man....bring that sexy dick of yours over here and see what I'm talking about...
Fact is, if your parents are always making a fuss if someone is seen naked, you grow up with many of those same inhibitions. Being comfortable in your skin has to start with being told that it is okay to be comfortable in your skin, and actions speak much louder than words. If you want your kids to eat vegetables because you tell them that vegetables are nice (a lie; but that's another can of worms) you kinda have to lead the way and eat the damn things too, right?
I mean, you're not going to take your son to the gym with you just so he can compare his own dick with some stranger's because he's never seen yours, are you?
"Dad, what will happen to my weenie when I grow older?"
"Hang on - let me get my keys. I'll drive you to the gym and you can see for yourself."
Okay, it's extreme, but I think it illustrates my point. As long as it's nothing sexual, it shouldn't be a worry. Ideally, of course, the answer to the question is "it'll look like mine, which you've seen before" because a.) it will look like your dad's, for the most part, and b.) you probably will have seen it before.
Incidentally, my school didn't have Sex Ed. If you did biology, you got the technical lessons in Standard 9 (2nd last year of high school) when you did the reproductive system; the rest of us had to make do with a dog-eared copy of Hustler and a few badly stretched, over-played 70s-era porn movies on VHS which went around the class when I was 12 or 13.
When I was young, I always showered with my father when we were away from home (camping). I know I made him uncomfortable once when when I asked him about the size of his "thing". I reached out to point at it (I don't think I wanted to touch it -eww GAWD I hope not). He stepped back, and said something to the efect of, "Never mind that." Looking back, I am GLAD that was all that happened. I was VERY curious about cock for as long as I can remember, but that was something that I am glad never happened. A few years ago we went camping together again, and we showered at the same time, but I was careful to keep myself covered and I definately avoided looking in his direction. I was awkward about it as an adult (who knew he was gay by then).
When I was around 12, I went on a football excursion with my father. There were boxed lunches and a whole keg of beer on the bus (the excursion was charted through a local bar). The bus had a bathroom, and on the way back from the game I got up to take a piss. Most of the guys on the bus were drunk and either passed out or sleeping (I was a little drunk too since no one seemed to care that I was drinking on the way back to the bar where everyone had parked). One of the men on the bus reached between my legs and grabbed my cock. I remember my mouth gaping open and my eyes shot open wide in FEAR. The fear was that someone had seen (and would figure out that I was gay). His hand pulled back quickly, and he looked looked away. After I got out of the bathroom, he pretended to be sleeping. I tried to get his attention for the rest of the ride. He never looked at me. After we got back, I tried to find him (I WANTED him to continue whatever he had in mind). I DO regret that he took off with nothing ever happening. He was around the age of my father, and I definately wanted something sexual to happen there. I masterbated to that memory often for a few years after that happened.
There is a comedian (Adam Curolla I think) who jokes, "When I have a son, I'm going to let him see my penis one time when he is really young. Then for the rest of his life, he'll swear that his old man has the most gigantic penis on earth" or something to that effect. I found it funny.
I agree with Lostparker17, I wish nudity was not considered such a big thing?? I'm by all means not a nudest.. Here in the South, you cover up hee hee However, I do think everyone needs to loosen up a LOT..
can someone reupload that brazilian video?
Okay, a yank here, and the many comments about the USA having a hangup on nudity are correct. This country was founded by a group of puritans.
And yes, I have seen my dad naked. We would camp during the summers and would head to the bushes for a morning piss. Many times I saw my dad erect with his morning piss hardon. Was it erotic? Nope, it was fascinating -- as a kid thought his cock was monstrous. And was fascinated by the hair on his crotch -- remember, I was a kid and bald down below. In many ways, his nudity was funny as he could not pee sometimes because of his erection. He would be moaning and groaning waiting to go limp, and I would giggle and pee freely.
It was never a sexual or arousing problem -- just natural and a memory I still have. Not erotic at all.
Never saw my dad naked after puberty -- had no desire to do so.
As said, we yanks are hungup on nudity and think is HAS to be sexual.
P.S. Had a good laugh of the JUB member mentioning John Ashcroft's covering up the breasts of a stature that was within camera range during one of his press conferences. That tells ya where his brain was.
Damn those puritans!
There's nothing wrong with nudity as long as you don't treat like it's a big deal. Just be comfortable with our bodies and your children will become too as long as you treat it as such. Learning to be comfortable in our own skin especially without our clothes on is perfectly healthy. Everyone has the same body parts so what's the big deal??
Just about every guy I have talked to who shared nudity with their father said they were closer with their father than anyone they knew. A father and son shouldn't have anything to hide from each other. A father who wants to be close to his son should be there to teach his son about life and everything about it. The human body and sex is just part of our lives, and not something to hide or be ashamed of. I only wish I had that kind of relationship with my father.
I totally agree, this is going to sound dumb, but before puberty I had barely seen any guy naked, so since i was about 8 years i wondered if the balls that hanged below my penis were supposed to be normal, so this created both insecurity and curiosity... don't know if someone else had this same feeling...my dad ditched us when I was a kid, and we didn't shower after gym or anything in primary or high school, so I had no idea what to expect or anything during The Big Change of puberty, apart from what I'd read in books.
P.S. I know LOVE my balls *shy*
^Judging by conversations I've had with friends in the US, sports teams barely even do this anymore either.
I live in America and yes, this country, with it's current leadership and strong religious groups, is just going backwards. When I was in school back in the 60's every kid took gym in school and every kid had to shower after class. My first day in the shower with all the other boys was tense because I had never been nude around anyone before that. But after a few days it was no big deal anymore, and since then I have never had a problem with nudity. Today kids are not required to shower after gym, if they even have gym, and I guess hardly any do. Fathers are so busy today trying to make a living they don't spend any time with their kids, so the video games take care of that. And we wonder why some people are so uptight about letting anyone see their bodies.
On another site I have talked to young guys who have grown up in nudist families. Or guys who were raised by their dads. These guys who grew up in an environment where being nude around your father or brother was normal all say they have a much closer relationship with their fathers than any of their friends have with their fathers. If a father and son can be nude around each other then they most likely will have a very close bond between them. And isn't that they way it should be. And yes, I have heard stories from guys who say more than just nudity was shared between them and their father and/or brother. Whether that is right or wrong is very debatable. I guess the way I look at it we are all guys. We all masturbate. If it happens to be with a father or brother, and is consensual, what does it hurt. That is just my opinion and I am sure I will be beat into the ground for it. I was told by one 18 year old guy who was raised by his father that him, his father and younger brother all hang out nude together. And yes, sometimes more than just hanging out nude goes on. He also said his father is so laid back and cool, his brother is like his best friend, and he wouldn't have it any other way. And no, he isn't some redneck from back in the hills who's family all marry their cousins. He is just a normal guy and apparantly very happy with his life.
I almost forgot about this thread, I'd like to add to it again with a story that took place a number of years back.
I dated a girl who had an 8 year old daughter. Daughter was a horny little thing, I'd unbutton my pants to tuck my shirt in and she would run over and try to look down my pants. She would do other things as well, intentionally walk in on me while I was in the bathroom, etc.
To fix the problem, I took her and her mother to the local nudist park, I'd walk around the house naked, the nude beach, etc. in short, got her so used to seeing naked people that she lost all interest.
It worked really well.
"naked is good" tommy pickels from nickelodeon's "RugRats"
I remember when I was at a hotel on a trip with my family. It was me, my brother, my uncle and father in a room. My father stayed in a different room with my mom but we had just gotten back from a football game so he joined us for a bit before going to bed.
Well, as soon as we got in the room, my brother jumped in the shower, my Uncle jumped on the laptop to check out his stocks, we all were completely soaked, was raining hard throughout all 4 quartars. Well, I told my father and uncle I would be right back, that I am going to go to the other room to get changed and dry up. My father responded sort of quickly with a why are you embarrassed to get changed and dry up out here. Actually I didn't, I really want to have sex with both of them, but I couldn't tell him that. As soon as I started taking off my clothes my father left, and then my Uncle started getting undressed, but he was ducking behind a bed, so obviously he didnt feel comfortable. I did get a look at him in his underwear though, but nothing to make it exciting...
I personally don't have a problem getting naked in front of anyone except the females of the family. I was just respecting my father when I said that I was going to the other room, not sure how he would feel to see his son, all grown and naked, a lot different than when I was a child. But more recently, I have been living alone and my father has come stay with me a few days. Each day he stayed I was in tight white boxer shorts, and the last day he was there, I woke up because it was cold and realized my dick was hanging out completely, balls too. I woke up as he was leaving. But he saw a soft core porn that I was watching one night, I was embarrassed that he would see it after he came in so I pretended like I was sleeping, and my dick was hanging out then too by accident, he saw the video and asked me a few times if he wanted me to turn it off or keep it going. I didn't respond so he turned it off in time.... Damn I should have just manned up and said yeah keep it on, i was in the middle of something! haha JOIN!
Hmm, I'd have to say that at a certain point it become unnatural.
But, I'd get naked and shower or skinny dip with ya BMG... grrr uncut and likes doggy...sorry, I'm a bit horned up now.
same here but i wud luv to see a man fully naked>>>>u got msn???
Speaking of hanging out nude with your own dad or son, has anyone got to do that today for the 4th? It's hot if you have got to!
Again, as many has said, it goes with the situation and the circumstances I suppose. I've seen my dad many times growing up and a couple since I've hit puberty. I remember the first time I ever saw him that way was when I was really little when he was teaching me how to take a shower properly, and other times being when he and I would change clothes together if not at our own house, we'd just use the same room.
This may be weird, and if so then ignore me, but I actually use to spy on my dad a little bit when I was young. I had no friends growing up really, and so I would actually sneak around and spy on my dad when he would be in his room after taking showers. But I never did anything or ever fantasized about being with my dad, I think it was just the interest of what a cock was.
I don't think it is necessary to shy away from nudity at all costs, but there's a difference between not acting like you saw Satan upon catching a glimpse of nude flesh, and being a bit of a flagrant kook. If a father takes his son to the gym, it's fine for them to change in front of each other in the locker room...but a dad and son don't need to blatantly walk around the house naked in front of each other, dick's just-a-swinging either. Privacy and personal space are just as, if not more, important to teach.
I'm reading over some of those old messages and am shocked at the naiveté. A boy doesn't need to see a grown man's dick in order to not be terrified at his body's changing during puberty. I can't recall ever seeing a grown penis as a small child, least of all my father's, and was a-ok when my dick hair started sprouting when I was about 10. I didn't think anything wrong was happening. And I absolutely do *not* approve of fathers "teaching" their sons how to masturbate. That's incestuous, IMO. Talking about it? Eh. Perhaps. Demonstrating? No.
Well I belive it should be natural I think nudity among father- son can do a couple of things lol like
1) See how he compares with his dad
2) not feel embarrased about his body
3) not make the child seek out nudity in other (perverted ways) Ie. Staring to long at boys in shower & gym or google naked guys & porn just out of curiosity
4) make the child feel comfortable in his manhood
but like i said all this done naturally meanning not going out of your way to be fully clothed 24/7 or not going out of your way to be nude 24/7 & no towel dancing lol
I have seem my dad naked only by accident - our family was *never* naked around each other. Even today, my partner and I are completely clothed in our own house and don't even sleep nude :/
Being nude is as natural as eating. The problem comes in when people try to impose their belief systems on others and condemning the naked body as something evil or bad. This leads to all kinds of body image problems.
As I have stated in numerous postings, I frequent a family-oriented nudist camp. This means entire families are there in the nude, mom, dad and the kids.
Before anyone freaks out, being nude is not about sex or looking for sex. I find it extremely relaxing.
My dad was never part of a nudist camp but of course I saw him naked. Don't families ever go to the pool any more? Wave pool or swimming pool or something?
It is hardly traumatic or even uncomfortable, because you're just there to get changed like everyone else.
Even in Grade 3 my school had us go to a neighbourhood pool for swimming lessons and everyone just changed in the change room with everyone else (it was a big pool) so I had seen all kinds of boys and men from childhood to seniors. It's no big deal.
But hiding away from all that would be a big deal and I think it would affect people's normal development.
Perhaps talking about it?? I would think a father would want his son(s) to know about masturbation, that it's normal, natural, and healthy.
Bear in mind that a father "teaching" a son how to do it, doesn't mean a "live one-on-one demonstration."
We learned about sex in health class in Grade 3 or 4 or something.
*The monthly magazine kind
my father never told me anything at all. I learned all about sex from his porn videos that I found in his room. in health class while I was in school then all I learned about was STD's..
As if I'm trying to dictate what's going on in your house. Look, if you want to leave your doors, shades and windows open when you're naked, then so be it. I don't care what you do. A general question was posed, and I gave my take on it.Fine if in a public place, like a locker room, but at home nobody should walk from bathroom to bedroom unless they're wrapped in a towel? I'm not a fan of hanging about the house naked, but I do the bathroom-bedroom run without a towel most days and that's not about to change.
If I went swimming with my son, and the community shower was an open one with multiple shower heads...then fine, we'll both get naked and wash up. But if we're at home, then the bathroom and bedroom doors are to be closed when someone is in there naked...to me that's just basic decency. There is a such thing as modesty and there is value in it.
Well, okay. That's you. I, myself, didn't need a "heads up" in the form of having seen a grown mans naked penis in order to not think that something terrible, or unnervingly bizarre, was happening as I personally matured. My guess is that very few 12 year old boys get terrified and think something is wrong when they see their pubes grow in, or dicks get bigger. Some things are just sensical.Well, it took me by surprise. I had no idea what was going to happen, or when. While I didn't die or anything, I do think a little heads up from someone would have been nice.
No, it's certainly not rocket science. But, the way things like this are "ignored" by parents - especially fathers - is awful.
Perhaps girls should be left alone to learn about their bodies and sexual behavior as well? Let them learn things on the street, from girlfriends, or rely on the school system.
No. These things should be the responsibility of the parent. You brought this life into the world, you own the responsibility of thier education.
I got nothing from my father. He wouldn't even say the word "penis" for God's sake. And, sure I learned about j/o and sex from my brother, kids on the playground and the very cloaked information that was delivered in "Health" class - in one single hour-long class mind you!! - and you know what? I survived, sure; but we didn't know jack-shit about anything.
Fathers should be talking frankly to thier sons about what to expect from their changing bodies, and that talk includes erections, wet dreams (especially the first one that can scare a kid) and masturbation. Education only arms them for a better life; because ignorance is not bliss.
Any idea at all what kind of physical damage can be caused to an erect penis - simply because a kid didn't quite know how to deal with it to relieve it? Trust me, some of it ain't pretty.
It really just depends on the situation... and the reason they are naked at the same time in the same place lol
Anyway, the fact that you were prepared for your maturation suggests to me that at some point or other you'd seen a naked older guy before, either in person or in a book or on tv, and you knew what to expect. If you find a kid who hasn't seen and doesn't know what to expect, I think he'd be a little unnerved and surprised.
Next you're going to tell me that no kid ever in the history of ever has been surprised or distressed by his first wet dream if he didn't know about them at first, and then I'm going to call bullshit.
And then, is probably too scared or embarrassed to ask his dad (never even consider asking mom!) about this horrible illness "down there."
But, I'll tell you what - kids are thirsty for information... And, unfortunately, what they don't know can kill them!
^Indeed. I never asked my mom anything about any of that stuff!
For what it is worth, and I daresay that this will cause some outrage, I agree with your sentiments entirely. My Dad and I had a very deep and meaningful relationship that went to places most don't go to. I would like to talk to you further johnbear but as I am new to this site I am not sure if it is the right place. Please feel free to mail me direct if that is the more accepted way of talking about this subject.
I completely understand johnbear. I do too.
I didn't grow up with my dad so my first hand experience is non-existent. My best friends dad was our wrestling coach and we thought nothing of being naked and showering in front of him. He'd sometimes work out with us at the gym after school and we would all shower. Never a big deal.
Anything sexual though wouldve freaked me out and kept me in my singlet for sure.
there are two models doing side by side jerkoffs solo's, in straightcollegemen. com website that claim to be father son.
I found it to be somewhat disturbing.
i know it;s an old post but i had to comment. Most of you blame North American culture for being conservative but most of Western culture is. As a Greek I have to tell you that most of us were growing up thinking that nudity is wrong. Entering the bathroom with dad or mom being naked inside would result in a big scream and a loud "get out".
The only cool thing that my dad did was to let me and brother when we were really young to take a look at his penis cause at some point we got curious for "daddy's pipi" and the pediatrician said it was OK for one time. We both don't even remember this.
The truth is that Mediterranean countries used to be more free with nudity but as the years passed we became more and more conservative and I blame church to have played a big part in this.
These days though, things are changing, More and more people enjoy nudism and you even see families naked on the beach and young Greek parents are totally cool with nudity. Not that you will see parents naked around the house, but it not a big deal if you see your dad naked.
I have a close friend, and all of her family go to the beach naked. Her parents, her sister, nephews and her husband and kids. 3 generations of nudity and not once, sex was ever mentioned or implied.
People who think nudity means sex, see the matter the wrong way.
A human body is a terrible thing to hide, unless is freezing cold of course
I don't see father / son nudity as being a problem as long as they are both comfortable with it. Now if you're talking sexual situations, that's another story and weird.
Hi I know that I'm late coming to this site and the abovepost. I honestly don't know what the furore is I can't see anything wrong with this posting, being nude or parents showing kids how to masturbate. Surely this is one of the most sensitive and uninhibited thoughts to appear on this or any site. Just my viewpoint and opinion regarding this posting.
I've been a long-time lurker here but I figured I should finally contribute by sharing my story. I have never been that comfortable with nudity with my biological dad. He's been a great dad and we are close but it just wasn't natural when we saw each other naked a couple of times. The first time I saw him naked as a teenager (15 yo), we were changing at a public locker room at the beach and I remember thinking that we don't even look like father and son down there. He is cut and I'm uncut. My penis was almost as big as his already at that age and was a lot lighter than his penis' skin. So for some reason it became unnatural being naked around each other from then on.
Then my parents got a divorce about 3 years ago and my mom re-married to her long-time friend and a guy who was sort of a very distant uncle to me. He even gave my mom advice on how to deal with a foreskin infection I had when I was 8 because he is uncut himself. I became very close to my step dad quickly and ended up loving him like my dad. The first time I saw my step dad naked, I noticed that his cock was a lot like mine. It was uncut, same color just a couple inches bigger and thicker. At that point, I remember thinking that my step dad was a lot more like me than my dad physically and that made it much more easier for me to be naked around my step dad and vice versa more so than with my own dad.
And the last time we went to a public changing room all together as an entire family, I chose to share a changing room with my step dad and not with my dad. I guess my point is that I am very close to both and love them both but I'm more comfortable with the one who I feel is more naturally like me.